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polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 25 2012 02:23 GMT
#461
On July 25 2012 10:59 JacobShock wrote:
So many Stephano haters and fanboys here. So everything is as it usually is lol. But you have to give it to Stephano, he's won a lot of tournaments and beaten a ton of top end koreans.


lol almost wrote europeans instead of koreans, that would been epic.

I think it's mostly fanboys. NaNiwa has such an insane passion to win and succeed it's unbelievable. Meanwhile Stephano continued ambivalence will cause him to fizzle out in the months and years to come.

NaNiwa is the best foreigner, and will continue to be so for a long time. Mark my words, for they shall become prophetic.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
July 25 2012 05:42 GMT
#462
On July 25 2012 02:13 Lumi wrote:
Stephano. Thinking that he has to prove himself in the GSL when he is famous for dominating GSL players is a laugh.

this
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Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 08:43:14
July 25 2012 08:08 GMT
#463
On July 25 2012 09:11 m0ck wrote:
Both great, but:

The guy who beat the GSL finalist a week and a half ago, the guy who has won the most money, the guy who has the most recent success, the guy who is the most consistent, the guy who did the best when they were both in Korea, the guy who the Koreans think is the best and the guy who keeps proving that you can be among the best in the world for your race without living in Korea. Yeah.


pretty much this.


On July 25 2012 11:23 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 10:59 JacobShock wrote:
So many Stephano haters and fanboys here. So everything is as it usually is lol. But you have to give it to Stephano, he's won a lot of tournaments and beaten a ton of top end koreans.


lol almost wrote europeans instead of koreans, that would been epic.

I think it's mostly fanboys. NaNiwa has such an insane passion to win and succeed it's unbelievable. Meanwhile Stephano continued ambivalence will cause him to fizzle out in the months and years to come.

NaNiwa is the best foreigner, and will continue to be so for a long time. Mark my words, for they shall become prophetic.


Yeah the same passion to win that made him probe rush nestea in the blizz cup amiright
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SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
July 25 2012 08:24 GMT
#464
Just going off results: Stephano but in general I like Naniwa a lot more.
benKrO71
Profile Joined September 2011
France65 Posts
July 25 2012 10:57 GMT
#465
Naniwa ? you talk about the guy who lost in groupstage in dreamhack eizo ?? ( he was already competitive in gsl at this period, gsl thaht you guy overhype a much because poor analyse of the game) something never happen with stephano since a lot of month...

ok gsl is good but stephano definitly more consistent
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
July 25 2012 13:48 GMT
#466
On July 25 2012 19:57 benKrO71 wrote:
Naniwa ? you talk about the guy who lost in groupstage in dreamhack eizo ?? ( he was already competitive in gsl at this period, gsl thaht you guy overhype a much because poor analyse of the game) something never happen with stephano since a lot of month...

ok gsl is good but stephano definitly more consistent


It doesn't get much more consistent than 2 ro8 GSL code S runs in a row. Especially when you consider that in the GSL you get time to prepare for specific opponents on specific maps.

Stephano is amazing, no doubt. But he is winning tourneys where the opponents are easier (sorry they just are. They don't get as much prep time and have to prep for multiple opponents. Also there is always atleast 1 easy opponent in a group or round in a tourney that isn't GSl code S).

Give MvP/MC/DGR a week or two to prepare solely for Stephano and if Stephano still stomps them, then I'll switch my vote. Actually I won't, when Stephano rocks up and does better in code S... I'll switch.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Zebrapudding
Profile Joined March 2011
United States66 Posts
July 25 2012 15:15 GMT
#467
i think huk is the best. he has had the most results of any foreigner.
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Leijona
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland56 Posts
July 25 2012 16:09 GMT
#468
On July 25 2012 17:08 Dawg_Snow wrote:


Yeah the same passion to win that made him probe rush nestea in the blizz cup amiright


Really stupid to bring up this kinda bm here. Why would you hate either Stephano or Naniwa. We just need to support both of them and they are both really good. Clearly the top 2 foreigners. Although, until we see Stephano in GSL, we can't say that Stephano is better. Just no way. So Naniwa <3
Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 17:26:20
July 25 2012 17:24 GMT
#469
On July 26 2012 00:15 Zebrapudding wrote:
i think huk is the best. he has had the most results of any foreigner.
[/B]

Agreed, he HAD the most results a while ago. Just like he WAS the best foreigner. Now it's clearly Stephano or Nani. Huk needs to step up his game lately.
KonvictVN
Profile Joined May 2011
Vietnam6 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 18:13:56
July 25 2012 18:12 GMT
#470
Nani FTW. GSL code S player. U can see Thorzain Drop to code A at first Ro. Step is good but he lose to Oz . Nani is stronger than Oz.
Tanngrisnir
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden131 Posts
July 25 2012 20:49 GMT
#471
How can anyone vote stephano here? Hes good yes but the best non korean? FAR from it..

Hes a Zerg user in a time where Zerg is just supposed to win due to Blizzard adding balancing the game for heart of the swarm and shit like that already.

Sure stephano is a top player no question, but there still some players that just have better quality in their builds, more refinement and better adjustments to whatever information they gain.

Specifically stephano have bad macro mechanics, where is often gets supply blocked and make like 5-6 overlords at a time. Hes also often like 80/160 food without having lost any units, TERRIBLE!

Guys like ThorZaiN, Kas and NaNiwa have extremly good mechanics and refinement in their play. Also they are very exceptionally good at adjusting their builds to take advantage of maps and oponent players strenght/weaknesses and tendencies. These players are clearly better.

However, Stephano is Zerg and Zerg is very forgiving when it comes to unrefined play in SC2, also just general misstakes can be easilly repaired as a Zerg player where as players of other races just imidiatly lose the game should they make misstakes of that caliber. Also if you dont make misstakes and skip out on things you should easilly be able to do with Zerg, and you have the understanding of the game that Stephano has, then you dont lose with Zerg...
God of thunder, god of pain!
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
July 25 2012 21:04 GMT
#472
Poll should be: Who has more fanboys.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
July 25 2012 22:01 GMT
#473
On July 26 2012 05:49 Tanngrisnir wrote:
How can anyone vote stephano here? Hes good yes but the best non korean? FAR from it..

Hes a Zerg user in a time where Zerg is just supposed to win due to Blizzard adding balancing the game for heart of the swarm and shit like that already.

Sure stephano is a top player no question, but there still some players that just have better quality in their builds, more refinement and better adjustments to whatever information they gain.

Specifically stephano have bad macro mechanics, where is often gets supply blocked and make like 5-6 overlords at a time. Hes also often like 80/160 food without having lost any units, TERRIBLE!

Guys like ThorZaiN, Kas and NaNiwa have extremly good mechanics and refinement in their play. Also they are very exceptionally good at adjusting their builds to take advantage of maps and oponent players strenght/weaknesses and tendencies. These players are clearly better.

However, Stephano is Zerg and Zerg is very forgiving when it comes to unrefined play in SC2, also just general misstakes can be easilly repaired as a Zerg player where as players of other races just imidiatly lose the game should they make misstakes of that caliber. Also if you dont make misstakes and skip out on things you should easilly be able to do with Zerg, and you have the understanding of the game that Stephano has, then you dont lose with Zerg...


Looking at your ignorance, you couldn't play zerg close to the standard you uphold even if your life depended on it. Nor could any one most likely, not yet. Stephano clearly makes mistakes, but he makes up for it with his understanding of timings, general mechanics and speed, plus game sense and map awareness.
"Right on" - Morrow
ZerguufOu
Profile Joined December 2011
United States107 Posts
July 26 2012 01:11 GMT
#474
settle this once and for all with a showmatch!
halomac
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland36 Posts
July 26 2012 01:36 GMT
#475
Easy.

HuK.

Just you wait.

But Stephano also not bad.
u werent loss
SourPatchParent
Profile Joined October 2011
United States44 Posts
July 26 2012 02:54 GMT
#476
When there's time to prepare for a single opponent: Naniwa
When it's a long weekend of SC2: Stephano.
Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid. -Albert Einstein
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
July 26 2012 05:48 GMT
#477
On July 25 2012 14:42 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:13 Lumi wrote:
Stephano. Thinking that he has to prove himself in the GSL when he is famous for dominating GSL players is a laugh.

this

Not quite. There's a difference between facing players at their best and facing players not at their best. And match preparation time. Furthermore, most of the players he dominates are high Code A or low Code S level. Could he get to ro16 Code S? Yeah probably. Code 8? Harder, but I'll give it to him. But he actually needs to play in GSL to prove that he can get past that stage. Nani has already placed GSL Code S Ro8. Twice. In a row. In my opinion, Stephano still needs to prove he can do that.

But until then, I can't say for sure who's the best foreigner. All I can say is that I definitely think it's between Stephano and Naniwa. And I'd give a(n) (slight?) edge to Stephano.
Leijona
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland56 Posts
July 26 2012 08:33 GMT
#478
I dont understand why everyone thinks Kas is top foreignwr. He has no good results and laddering a lot doesnt mean you are top. All sase, grubby, dimaga and a lot of others are better than Kas.
Theswine
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden10 Posts
July 26 2012 12:57 GMT
#479
Nani ofc, stephano has no chans in skill!
If you were not entertained you did not drink enough booze.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 13:17:36
July 26 2012 13:14 GMT
#480
Stephano has not won a MLG or been to a GSL while Naniwa has done both. Naniwa is also more handsome.

Also
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