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Stéphano sure !!! (it's not because im french :p) .
But for idiots who said stéphano don't do the gsl so he can't be the best == Stéphano don't do the gsl because when he was
invited , he prefered to continue his medical's studies in France ....
But nowaday he seems to want to be a progamer so maybe he cans be in gsl next year D:
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NaNiWa is best, more consistent, perfroms where it matters the most.
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If the game would have been 100% balanced then maybe and only maybe we could decide who is the best foreigner.
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''Te to go back to the old continent, for holidays this time, see you in 2 weeks in korea most likely!'' Written on Stephanos Twitter a couple of hours ago. Guess we'll see who performs best here in a bit over a month. For me personally I think Stephano is the best foreigner atm. And he's funny as hell.
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There's two StarCraft "disciplines" in my opinion: playing StarCraft with enough time available to prepare for the maps/your opponent, and playing on the go. Although a top player is dangerous in both types of competition, some of the skills they require are different. At the moment, Naniwa competes mostly in the first, and Stephano has only been competing in the second. Obviously, both are doing pretty well.
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you all know what would settle this right? When they have their twitter grudge match with several thousand on the line each.
If it was my call, I'd say stephano. His relaxed attitude with his consistant results definately puts him far ahead as best foreign player.
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On July 23 2012 15:19 BananaJunkie wrote: Thorzain is the Best in my opinion! Stephano is overrated! :D
You say Stephano is overrated while calling Thorzain the best? Pretty ironic in my opinion. What has Thorzain done to make him better than Stephano in any way? Or Naniwa for that matter?
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doesnt matter till in the BOOTH
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Naniwa, because he is up against Koreans that have prepared against HIM for several days.
To be able to do that you HAVE to set trends in the metagame etc..
Stephano is cool, sure.. But Naniwa is cooler.
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On July 18 2012 09:36 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Stephano. May not have tried his hand at the gsl yet, but kicks Korean ass everywhere else and he's been doing it for longer. He usually looks the most impressive in play as well.
I'm glad Naniwa made the stupid complainers about the gsl seed shove it with consecutive ro8 finishes and almost beat the best ZvP out there in a bo5 in his weakest mu. Yes the gsl is the most prestigious tournament (maybe not so much anymore with the OSL starting up), and yes Koreans generally aren't as strong at foreign events, and yes Stepahno hasn't been tested as much in a preparation-environment.
However, it isn't like Stephano just did well against a few decent Koreans here and there in a handful of tournaments. No. He's been consistently putting out good games against many of the best Koreans in EVERY mu and even winning. I thought it was just fanboi praise initially, but over time I would have to agree that Stephano puts out better ZvP than almost any Korean Zerg save for the absolute best. I can't say the same for Naniwa in any mu, he just seems decent overall compared to the Koreans.
Finally, Stephano is more of a trendsetter in Zerg meta.
tl;dr
So really, it boils down to recent surge of success in a more prestigious tournament environment vs. numerous accomplishments in lesser tournaments against better opponents for what is going on for a year now.
Stephano wins easily.
DRG is no longer the better ZvP player, and hasn't been for a while. Stephano is arguably top three overall in the world. Him, MC, and the last one is open to interpretation.
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naniwa makes it to ro8 on the wings of PvP and everyone goes crazy
voted Stephano
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Naniwa cause he doesn't get drunk and arrested after tournaments
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I really don't get this. I don't get how Stephano is so good when yeah he has results, but can only consistently beat protoss, that's about it. Nani on the other is very consistent in all MU even though his PvZ is his worst; even though it is his worst MU, he is really that bad at it. And think about, Stephano's ZvT and ZvZ are not even close to the level of the Koreans. He only has that one MU that's better and it not even that great if you put it in perspective. Nani got my vote because he's just more solid.
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No one likes Naniwa cause hes a jerk. Stephano all the way go go USA!
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On July 24 2012 17:12 ErrorNA wrote: No one likes Naniwa cause hes a jerk. Stephano all the way go go USA!
He's not even American . . . Everyone should know that , , ,
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As a fan of Stephano I'll have to say Naniwa is best player. Dude plays and performs in tournament where the best players in the world play, PERIOD. Naniwa stated that he plays to be the best. Where Stephano pretty much stated without shame to be a $ hunter.
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On July 24 2012 17:06 gldavid12 wrote: I really don't get this. I don't get how Stephano is so good when yeah he has results, but can only consistently beat protoss, that's about it. Nani on the other is very consistent in all MU even though his PvZ is his worst; even though it is his worst MU, he is really that bad at it. And think about, Stephano's ZvT and ZvZ are not even close to the level of the Koreans. He only has that one MU that's better and it not even that great if you put it in perspective. Nani got my vote because he's just more solid.
that's about it ? did you see his last winning streak vs terran ? He just lost to MKP and Bomber while beating Keen, Puma, Polt, Ryung, Ganzi 2* , Hearth, Rain, Beasty, Morrow, and the list goes by. This is not consistant ? He just beat revival in zvz and before that violet. Even if he claims that his zvz is shaky, he wins vs top z koreans as well lol.
stephano's ZvT and ZvZ not even close to the level of koreans. Bitch please, you don't even know what you are talking about.
Then again, he beats MC, Alicia, Hero, Hero AGAIN, Ryung , Revival, and loose vs Oz -> Man he got figured out he stand no chance in code S. Flawless Logic. In fact i keep on hearing that he got "figured out" each time he looses one match, doesn't matter that he won 3, 4 or 5 bo3 vs koreans before he looses one, "he got figured out" and therefore "has no chance is code S"
And it makes me want to laugh when people write that he would have no chance in GSL where all the koreans will be studying his style and trying to beat it. Guys, stephano is the most studied foreigner in Korea since IPL3, they are ALREADY studying him and preparing against him in every tournament he enters
I like Nani a lot, i m not sure who is the best, i think it's stephano because he is more consistant and is favored againt most koreans. I m just kind off annoyed when people say dumb things.
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On July 24 2012 17:50 Dawg_Snow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 17:06 gldavid12 wrote: I really don't get this. I don't get how Stephano is so good when yeah he has results, but can only consistently beat protoss, that's about it. Nani on the other is very consistent in all MU even though his PvZ is his worst; even though it is his worst MU, he is really that bad at it. And think about, Stephano's ZvT and ZvZ are not even close to the level of the Koreans. He only has that one MU that's better and it not even that great if you put it in perspective. Nani got my vote because he's just more solid. that's about it ? did you see his last winning streak vs terran ? He just lost to MKP and Bomber while beating Keen, Puma, Polt, Ryung, Ganzi 2* , Beasty, Morrow and the list goes by. This is not consistant ? He just beat revival in zvz and before that violet. Even if he claims that his zvz is shaky, he wins vs top z koreans as well lol. stephano's ZvT and ZvZ not even close to the level of koreans. Bitch please, you don't even know what you are talking about. Then again, he beats MC, Alicia, Hero, Hero AGAIN, Ryung , Revival, and loose vs Oz -> Man he got figured out he stand no chance in code S. Flawless Logic. In fact i keep on hearing that he got "figured out" each time he looses one match, doesn't matter that he won 3, 4 or 5 bo3 vs koreans before he looses one, "he got figured out" and therefore "has no chance is code S" And it makes me want to laugh when people write that he would have no chance in GSL where all the koreans will be studying his style and trying to beat it. Guys, stephano is the most studied foreigner in Korea since IPL3, they are ALREADY studying him and preparing against him in every tournament he enters I like Nani a lot, i m not sure who is the best, i think it's stephano because he is more consistant and is favored againt most koreans. I m just kind off annoyed when people say dumb things.
For me this sums it up perfectly, I love them both too. Seconded about people saying dumb things. Please stop or try at least to educate yourself before making such comments.
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Stephano, because even when Naniwa wins, it doesn't look as dominating as when Stephano wins. When Naniwa wins, there is always that feel of luck and the feel that he was the underdog, but with Stephano, we expect him to beat all but the top of code S.
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