Yeah in my opinion the winnings are the indicative point. Although it would be interesting to see how Stephano did in the GSL. That would really be the only way to know for sure

MrMotionPicture

United States4327 Posts

July 22 2012 14:12 GMT

#383

I think Stephano is better for games on the fly, when Naniwa is better if he has time to prepare for the game. I am still waiting for that showmatch...

OKMarius

Norway469 Posts

July 22 2012 14:35 GMT

#384

The "does not play in GSL" argument holds no water. You can be better than someone who plays in a better league than you.

I still think it's close though, but Stephano is probably a bit better because he seems to be immune to pressure (as in the mental aspect, not ingame pushes

), and wins more convincingly over the best players than Naniwa does.

ePSequence

Canada2 Posts

July 22 2012 14:44 GMT

#385

It's so funny how all the Naniwa fans are each writting an paragraph saying that Naniwa Code S twice Stephano not yet but they still lose the poll by a whole freaking lot.

My opinion is that you don't win tournaments and major ones once in a while, then you are not the best as long as there is Stephano who wins NASL and many many other tournaments. IGN ProLeague.

The best foreigner right now is without a single doubt Stephano, I don't even think it's worth debating.

ThePhan2m

Norway2751 Posts

July 22 2012 14:57 GMT

#386

Naniwa still has a lot to prove (Winning major tournaments)

Lukeeze[zR]

Switzerland6838 Posts

July 22 2012 17:06 GMT

#387

back to back ro8 is great, but give me a break it's so far from winning major tounaments against the best koreans

Tralalo

18 Posts

July 22 2012 17:30 GMT

#388

On July 22 2012 23:57 ThePhan2m wrote:
Naniwa still has a lot to prove (Winning major tournaments)

You don't consider MLG as a major tournament????

RenSC2

United States1090 Posts

July 22 2012 17:58 GMT

#389

On July 23 2012 02:30 Tralalo wrote:

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You don't consider MLG as a major tournament????

When the only two Koreans were Select and Moonan (both living in the USA)? When very few Europeans came? When KiWiKaKi came in 2nd and iNcontroL was 4th? How relevant are those results for those two now? Do you think KiWiKaKi is still the second best foreigner? We're not exactly talking about a tough field and it's also from more than a year ago.

The MLG name may be major, but Naniwa still has yet to win a large tournament with top notch competition. However, he did have a couple big invitational wins back in 2011. The two things that Naniwa can point to recently are his Ro8s in the GSL (which are huge). He's deserving of being the #2 foreigner, I won't deny that. However, Stephano has many more accomplishments recently, including many victories over Code S Koreans.

The last time both of them were in the same Korean Tournament, Naniwa went 0-4, Stephano went 2-2 in a tougher bracket.

Arcanefrost

Belgium1257 Posts

July 22 2012 19:09 GMT

#390

Nani because of gsl results.

thealexw87

United States47 Posts

July 22 2012 20:44 GMT

#391

I believe it is Naniwa purely because he made Ro8 twice in GSL. That feat is just that much harder because of the time the players have to prepare for that tournament and Koreans aren't jet-lagged and what not at a foreign tourney.

Ettick

United States2434 Posts

July 22 2012 22:21 GMT

#392

Stephano wins in the amount of fans he has by a landslide, but in terms of who is the better player I think it's NaNiwa due to him getting to the ro8 of code S 2 times in a row and almost beating DRG.

Gantz.z

21 Posts

July 22 2012 22:47 GMT

#393

Stephano will be the first foreign bonjwa!

naggerNZ

New Zealand708 Posts

July 22 2012 23:08 GMT

#394

HasuObs, man. He's got that shit covered.

Kluey

Canada1197 Posts

July 22 2012 23:29 GMT

#395

Naniwa... Stephano does the same build, over and over. Naniwa is able to create new builds and prepare for a game much better.

anrimayu

United States875 Posts

July 22 2012 23:32 GMT

#396

On July 22 2012 21:58 Sejanus wrote:
Stephano is #1 ELO. Stephano has won more than twice as much money in tournaments compared to Naniwa.

Using ELO and prize winning to determine the best player is retarded. Slap yourself. Twice.

With your logic, Fruitdealer is top 10 player in the world.

BlackGosu

Canada1046 Posts

July 23 2012 01:21 GMT

#397

until stephano gets into ro8 twice in a row or better, naniwa is better than him

Lord_Maximus

Denmark46 Posts

July 23 2012 03:52 GMT

#398

I don't get why people jizz so hard over Naniwa's 2 ro8's. It shows he's a really good player, I'm not going to argue against that, but he hasn't beaten the likes of DRG or MC on his way there and he hasn't beaten a single zerg either. Naniwa did provide DRG quite the competition and he has shown good PvZ in the past, but I'm still not sure if he's actually very good in the matchup, and consistency across all matchups is pretty important when deciding who's the better player. Stephano consistently beats (and loses to) top Koreans and I have no doubt he would be able to make the GSL RO8 within 2 seasons, perhaps even 1. To argue that Naniwa is undoubtedly a better player because he has made it further in a tournament Stephano hasn't even participated in is nothing short of laughable, though.

fire_brand

Canada1123 Posts

July 23 2012 04:37 GMT

#399

Illusion. That kid is so sick. Give him a couple months and he'll be on top of the foreign scene.