EPTMy vote for Nani
Who is the best 'foreigner'? - Page 18
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mortales
174 Posts
My vote for Nani | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Naniwa is probably better overall though. | ||
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sAzu
Iceland3 Posts
maybe like 9 months ago but still Naniwa Crushed him. If Nani would stop play at Gsl and just play foreigners tournament he would win more of those but his mind is on GSl when stephano is on Foreigners tournament these two players are the best foreigners but you guys saying that Stephano would crush Naniwa thats so retarded.... | ||
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Maxtor
United Kingdom273 Posts
On July 20 2012 22:56 zedrOne wrote: + Show Spoiler + I do. but that's a point of view just to be hated by gsl fanboy. In Sports and E-sports you consider the most recent results really I don't think you follow a lot of sport. most recent ? hum... leenock just beat DRG ? okey, now loeenock is the best in the world...cause lot of people used to say that DRG was the best. that's stupid. Compare to tennis. you judge the level of a plyer with his last tournement result ? or with his ATP/RACE ranking ? wich is more accurate to the level of a player ? seeded in code S : he manage to win some match. Top 8 in code S is what ? winning 4 BO3 and loosing one BO5 ? with the right opponent I think lot of foreigner are able to do that... before that he do what ? loosing 2 time in a row first round of code A. no one really cares that much about the world championships, but winning the Olympic gold is everything. you seams to really don't know anything about sport. yes, Olympic gold is valuable, because it's one every 4 years, and it's for some sport the only way to play "for your country" and not for "yourself". to the topic : Naniwa play for pride and fame, so he choose to play the pride / fame machine that's GSL. Stephano play for money, so he choose to play where he can earn the most. The question of who 's the best between 2 players with different goal is quite a nonsense. Foreigner in code S is just a joke, like every player who re seeded by GOM for viewers. the one who go and win qualifier, code B, code A, and then play in code S may be a code S level player. naniwa is just a good brand for Gom to sell GSL to sweden people and other foreigner. Wow, nicely chopped up quotes, i said 2 months or slightly more as most recent, not the results of 1 match or 1 tournament. What is the hardest most prestigious tournament then if not the gsl? you seams to really don't know anything about sport. You also play for your country in the world championship ice hockey, your argument doesnt hold up. No one is gonna call Sampras the current best tennis player, no one is gonna call Gretzsky the current best, you look at recent, not immediate results, your results 6 months ago dont matter anywhere near as much as those in the last 2 months. Look at how the world rankings are calculated, it proves my point.yes, Olympic gold is valuable, because it's one every 4 years, and it's for some sport the only way to play "for your country" and not for "yourself". People who don't watch the gsl must not have seen the difference in quality of the games between prepared and on the fly, and the depth of a player when given the prep. if you dont remember, MC got seeded into gsl, so did DRG, gonna argue they dont belong there? Getting 2 RO8 has proved that Naniwa also belongs there and has vastly improved since his last appearance there. | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
On July 20 2012 20:32 Hiea wrote: Let me ask people who base Naniwa as better solely on two Ro8, but not much other as of late. Now ask me, if you were to choose who would be the better player between Puzzle and Puma, I bet 99% of people would say Puma, however Puzzle got 2 Ro8 in Code S in a row, and Puma won 3 major international events+2nd at IEM WC. With the logic that because Naniwa makes Ro8 twice his better than Stephano also has to say Puzzle is better than Puma, which may be right, Puzzle is scary, but you wouldn't think of him as better than Puma. But Puzzle is better than Puma. | ||
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ackbar
United States94 Posts
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empty.bottle
685 Posts
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Iron_
United States389 Posts
Race balance not considered, definitely Stephano. He looks really really hard to beat right now. Honestly as a Terran player if I was a pro I would be really depressed to have to face this guy. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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spilledmilk
Canada40 Posts
On top of that his roach style is now the default ZvP opening I can't think of many foreign players who had that type of impact on a MU. | ||
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Magicus Carotte
1 Post
Watch this interview and you'll see than Stephano, will participate to GSL in October. And he explains why he doesn't want to do the GSL | ||
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Stonedviper
74 Posts
Kind of reminds me of the potential that KiWiKaKi had, he was pretty good for a guy who just played for shits and giggles during breaks between his sessions of raking in the poker cash. | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
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bikefrog
Norway451 Posts
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kith
Greece20 Posts
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saynomore
Norway149 Posts
He is by far the best foreigner. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1098 Posts
On July 21 2012 22:21 saynomore wrote: Naniwa proved himself far better than stephano when he almost beat DRG. Stephano may be code S level, but Naniwa definitively is. He is by far the best foreigner. Except that Stephano beat MC (and Hero and Alicia) while MC crushed DRG and DRG beat Naniwa. Transitives don't work perfectly, but there's pretty good reason to believe that Stephano would take out Naniwa if they faced off. Naniwa still hasn't won a series against a Zerg in the GSL. Both of his Code S runs he managed to avoid Zergs completely until facing DRG this time around. And it's probably better to forget his Code A matches versus Zerg from quite awhile back. Then there's his loss to Dimaga in the most recent Dreamhack and his losses to Nerchio and Slivko in the April Dreamhack. His record against high level zergs is terrible. Meanwhile Stephano has owned nearly every Protoss and Terran to come at him including many Code S regulars, but does have a ZvZ achilles heel (46% since april). So, I'd have to say that if Stephano can get as lucky of a draw as Naniwa has gotten in two straight Code S tournaments, then I think he's easily a round of 8 guy. However, if he gets a Zerg, he may have some issues... just like Naniwa. They seem to be very similar skill-wise in all 3 matchups (though I'd say Stephano's vs P seems a whole lot more dominant while PvP is always on a razor's edge), but the head-to-head would put Stephano in the favorable position and I have to give him the top foreigner award right now. | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
Stephano by a mile if there's a significant amount of time to prepare. Stephano should be a significant favorite in any head to head match up with Naniwa. Stephano has shown, if nothing else, an ability to figure players out better than other players can figure him out. E.g., he's been doing the same exact build against protoss for six months. All of the top Protoss know exactly what he's going to do and still lose to him. He's also shown he's the best in the business at adapting to funky situations. Show him something weird and you generally get crushed. | ||
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