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No one disputes the gsl is the hardest tournament in the world,
I do. but that's a point of view just to be hated by gsl fanboy.
In Sports and E-sports you consider the most recent results really
I don't think you follow a lot of sport.
most recent ? hum... leenock just beat DRG ? okey, now loeenock is the best in the world...cause lot of people used to say that DRG was the best. that's stupid.
Compare to tennis. you judge the level of a plyer with his last tournement result ? or with his ATP/RACE ranking ? wich is more accurate to the level of a player ?
seeded in code S :
he manage to win some match.
Top 8 in code S is what ? winning 4 BO3 and loosing one BO5 ?
with the right opponent I think lot of foreigner are able to do that...
before that he do what ?
loosing 2 time in a row first round of code A.
no one really cares that much about the world championships, but winning the Olympic gold is everything.
you seams to really don't know anything about sport.
yes, Olympic gold is valuable, because it's one every 4 years, and it's for some sport the only way to play "for your country" and not for "yourself".
to the topic :
Naniwa play for pride and fame, so he choose to play the pride / fame machine that's GSL.
Stephano play for money, so he choose to play where he can earn the most.
The question of who 's the best between 2 players with different goal is quite a nonsense.
Foreigner in code S is just a joke, like every player who re seeded by GOM for viewers. the one who go and win qualifier, code B, code A, and then play in code S may be a code S level player.
naniwa is just a good brand for Gom to sell GSL to sweden people and other foreigner.
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#based #naniwa
In all seriousness, both are great players, but I enjoy watching Naniwa play 10x more and still feel that he is the better player. I have a small feeling that if Stephano does code s matches his play-style will be figured out very easily and will get beaten very quickly.
We shall see in the coming months who is the best.
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On July 20 2012 23:31 beesinyoface wrote:
#based #naniwa
In all seriousness, both are great players, but I enjoy watching Naniwa play 10x more and still feel that he is the better player. I have a small feeling that if Stephano does code s matches his play-style will be figured out very easily and will get beaten very quickly.
We shall see in the coming months who is the best.
I think you might be right to some extent, though Stephano adaps very well as well and knows pretty much every little tiny timing. I don't think SC2 is as easy as you just figure out a player. Though Mana did that great during Dreamhack vs Stephano, though I think Stephano learnt from that.
I would say Mana / Nerchio on 3th / 4th place.
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I want to see Stephano go to Korea and play a GSL.
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On July 20 2012 23:44 ThePhan2m wrote:
I would say Mana / Nerchio on 3th / 4th place.
Out of curiosity do you say that because you genuinely believe it or do you say that because they recently just won major tournaments? Nerchio I kind of agree with but if Mana hadn't won DreamHack I don't think people would be bigging him up as much as they are now. If he can hold consistently good results then yes, but right now I'd put Sase or even Thorzain above him.
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"Stephano (8672) 65%
NaNiwa (3528) 26%
Other (1159) 9%"
Actually 35% of the voters watch the GSL
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Stephano wins the poll by so much because the majority of voters:
1. Recently saw Stephano win NASL
2. Doesn't watch Naniwa play in the GSL
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the votes so far (65% Stephano 26% nani) are a little sad but unsurprising.
Lets look for a sec at the poll: it's about best foreigner. The answer to this can change dramatically from person to person based on what "best" means to them. skills? results? behavior? past achievements? recent achievements? in which events? fan base? "star factor"? passion for the game/esports? The list goes on and on...
Lets say that the biggest thing to factor form that list is skill. On that I think that Stephano is indeed the better player now but one cant overlook the fact that zergs in general are doing great right now. This fact has nothing to do with Stephano's skill, it simply means that form all zergs he is better at using the tools that he has to the maximum or at lest top 3. By all means Stephano was also a great player before the patch, and one of the best, but ask yourself, if this poll was before that who would you choose?
On most of the other factors that I have listed above I think Naniwa is better which in my mind makes him the best player overall.
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On July 21 2012 02:48 Night Eyes wrote:
the votes so far (65% Stephano 26% nani) are a little sad but unsurprising.
Lets look for a sec at the poll: it's about best foreigner. The answer to this can change dramatically from person to person based on what "best" means to them. skills? results? behavior? past achievements? recent achievements? in which events? fan base? "star factor"? passion for the game/esports? The list goes on and on...
Lets say that the biggest thing to factor form that list is skill. On that I think that Stephano is indeed the better player now but one cant overlook the fact that zergs in general are doing great right now. This fact has nothing to do with Stephano's skill, it simply means that form all zergs he is better at using the tools that he has to the maximum or at lest top 3. By all means Stephano was also a great player before the patch, and one of the best, but ask yourself, if this poll was before that who would you choose?
On most of the other factors that I have listed above I think Naniwa is better which in my mind makes him the best player overall.
And protoss ? season 2 gsl, in top 8 5P0Z season 3 3P3Z -> top2 2P.
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Stephano obviously has won more tournaments and beaten more top players, but NaNiwa didn't really attend as much tournaments and events as Stephano so he could practice in Korea. Simply because stephano's goal is/was to make as much money as possible and i guess nani's goal is to be the best player. Stephano has more results and that makes him the best player, untill he participates in GSL and gets crushed or him and nani will play a best of 9 or something and nani wins.
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i'll say stephano AND disagree with the "prove in code S" thing. I doubt that anyone would argue that code S is the hardest tournament, yet it also is a different tournament compared to others. Therefore, you shouldn't compare them. I am 150% sure that naniwa, if came to big foreign tournaments, wouldn't be close to getting the first place. Whereas stephano might not be as succesfull in GSL.
The problem is that "The best foreigner" would need to be based on skill. It isn't. We can't compare "skill" when they're in 2 completely different environments. Most voters for naniwa don't look at skill but their basis is "he does good in the GSL" whereas most voters for stephano would say "He wins crap left and right." These are basically titles, pretty unrelated to each other. It's foolish to compare them.
For me? I'd say stephano. Mostly due to my view on this matter. I don't care about stephano winning tournaments nor Naniwa competing in the GSL. If there is a player in, let's say, Iceland, who demolishes everyone there and he has never lost to anyone. He has played against 4 code S players and simply demolished them, but he stays there. By the "prove in GSL" logic, he isn't a "top-player". By the "win titles" logic, he isn't aswell. For me, I have no problem being conviced that there is noone better than him even though he hasn't played everyone. I vote for stephano on this matter because i think his capabilities currently are far above those of other foreigners. Even though his ZvZ clearly makes this comparison uncertain.
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Stephano is better, but nobody can beat Naniwa in a best of 1 if he can prepare.
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Stephano still has to proove himself in the gsl
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On July 21 2012 03:04 OzVelas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:48 Night Eyes wrote:
the votes so far (65% Stephano 26% nani) are a little sad but unsurprising.
Lets look for a sec at the poll: it's about best foreigner. The answer to this can change dramatically from person to person based on what "best" means to them. skills? results? behavior? past achievements? recent achievements? in which events? fan base? "star factor"? passion for the game/esports? The list goes on and on...
Lets say that the biggest thing to factor form that list is skill. On that I think that Stephano is indeed the better player now but one cant overlook the fact that zergs in general are doing great right now. This fact has nothing to do with Stephano's skill, it simply means that form all zergs he is better at using the tools that he has to the maximum or at lest top 3. By all means Stephano was also a great player before the patch, and one of the best, but ask yourself, if this poll was before that who would you choose?
On most of the other factors that I have listed above I think Naniwa is better which in my mind makes him the best player overall.
And protoss ? season 2 gsl, in top 8 5P0Z season 3 3P3Z -> top2 2P.
You are completely correct there and if this was the past I would have said the same thing only about protoss. All I'm saying is that when answering this poll I choose to look at things beyond current skill level as shown by recent results that are sadly affected by the balance of the game.
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well Stephano won more big tournaments than Naniwa. So I say Stephano.
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On July 21 2012 01:19 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 23:44 ThePhan2m wrote:
I would say Mana / Nerchio on 3th / 4th place. Out of curiosity do you say that because you genuinely believe it or do you say that because they recently just won major tournaments? Nerchio I kind of agree with but if Mana hadn't won DreamHack I don't think people would be bigging him up as much as they are now. If he can hold consistently good results then yes, but right now I'd put Sase or even Thorzain above him.
I say that because he convincingly took down high caliber players like Hero & Stephano. If those were only luck or that day only can be discussed. Still when you face Mana vs CodeS level players, I would say he has a fair chance, more than Thorzain has, who I think is more unstable vs high caliber players. (his TvZ is maybe exeption) Though guess we will wait and see when Mana goes to korea. But yes, it is hard to rank european players and compare them to koreans
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it seems to me that stephano is just more popular so he wins in the poll
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Hm, I don't see Jinro in this poll. Must be a mistake.
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On July 21 2012 04:54 stormssc wrote:
it seems to me that stephano is just more popular so he wins in the poll
Haha, this is - in fact - a popularity poll. This is not an objective evaluation.
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For me, GSL is a great tournament but it's not because you play in GSL taht u are the best.
I mean, this tournament is very specific due to the format, 3/4 days between each matches, you train specially vs an opponent etc...
BO5 between NaNi and Stephano please..
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