EPTWho is the best 'foreigner'? - Page 16
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AaCiel
France3 Posts
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On July 20 2012 08:51 Gullis wrote: edit I am swedish thought so I might be biased <.< I doubt any frenchy would admit to that haha dont know and I dont care btw | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:04 Skiblet wrote: and has still been dismantling Code S players left right and center. Such as? MMA, Nestea, MC, Polt, Marineking, Ryung, Jjakji, aLive... all have positive records against Stephano. Could you please tell me who those 'Code S players that have been dismantled by him' are? On the other hand, Naniwa has positive records against Genius, Nestea, Creator, Puzzle, Ryung, he's even with MC... he also made an MLG run eliminating both DRG and Nestea reaching second place. | ||
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breadfanSC2
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
Look, every korean Stephano has faced has had jet lag as a factor as a bare minimum. For a lot of them it's at the end of a tiring tournament and they are totally exhausted. Facing them at a foreigner comp vs in the GSL is a totally different thing. Polt and Stephano were very comparable not so long ago, and Polt is solidly in Code A even with his code s seed. | ||
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GoonFFS
Denmark323 Posts
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lInsta
Serbia10 Posts
Right now naniwa is most consistent player in code s while stephano is afraid to show up. | ||
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Sab0t
Sweden3 Posts
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Mallement
Denmark39 Posts
Naniwa got to RO8(which is impressive!) and what a close match it was vs DRG, but Stephano won against MC at the NASL, and MC just destroyed DRG in RO4 very one sided, 3-0, so througt this absurd way of comparason Stephano will be the best. If Stephano wanted to put in the hours and participate in GSL, he would take it to the end. | ||
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Thurken
961 Posts
On July 19 2012 20:09 Keelshing wrote: When Stephano gets Ro8 in GSL twice in a row, let me know. I don't know why most people here use this... The only other player who went to ro8 twice in a row the last two season is Taeja. Do you consider Taeja and Naniwa the two best players in the world? And to the "only GSL count", do you consider MKP worse than Naniwa? He definitely had worse results in the last two GSL season. And what about MC, should he be considered far from the best because it took him more than a year to get to the GSL final? Of course GSL matters a lot, but do you rank Taeja and Naniwa higher than MKP and MC before this week? | ||
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
Then on the other hand, there's Stephano, who consistently has a dominating presence in the big five foreigner tournaments, DreamHack, MLG, NASL, IPL and Assembly. He holds the title of three premier tournaments along with a string of top 4 finishes. That's not even including the hoard of wins from smaller tournaments and battlegrounds. He may not be competing in Korea, but he sure as hell is the foreigner almost every top tier Koran pro has their eyes on. As things are now I think it's really too close to call, I myself would go with Stephano but that's more a preference thing more than anything. By the end of 2012 when all the DreamHack's, MLG's, GSL's and most importantly, WCS is over, then I'm certain the winner between these two will stand out easily. | ||
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saksy2
Norway520 Posts
On July 20 2012 13:28 Kharnage wrote: This isn't even a question. Naniwa, definitly. Look, every korean Stephano has faced has had jet lag as a factor as a bare minimum. For a lot of them it's at the end of a tiring tournament and they are totally exhausted. Facing them at a foreigner comp vs in the GSL is a totally different thing. Polt and Stephano were very comparable not so long ago, and Polt is solidly in Code A even with his code s seed. I've seen this quite a lot in this thread, and it makes little to no sense. Stephanos best results have been in american tournaments, and it's not like he didn't have to travel there as well. I did not know that the korean -> US jet lag was so much worse than the EU-> US one. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
Now ask me, if you were to choose who would be the better player between Puzzle and Puma, I bet 99% of people would say Puma, however Puzzle got 2 Ro8 in Code S in a row, and Puma won 3 major international events+2nd at IEM WC. With the logic that because Naniwa makes Ro8 twice his better than Stephano also has to say Puzzle is better than Puma, which may be right, Puzzle is scary, but you wouldn't think of him as better than Puma. | ||
nimdil
Poland3752 Posts
On July 20 2012 20:09 saksy2 wrote: I've seen this quite a lot in this thread, and it makes little to no sense. Stephanos best results have been in american tournaments, and it's not like he didn't have to travel there as well. I did not know that the korean -> US jet lag was so much worse than the EU-> US one. Except Stephano is practically living in US. Sadly there is no quality tournament that can compete with GSL outside Korea (OSL may very well match GSL and become SC2's MSL - what an irony). Stephano may be king of weekend tournaments but NaNiwa is a real contender of top Starcraft League and that makes him superior in my eyes. | ||
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Maxtor
United Kingdom273 Posts
On July 20 2012 20:32 Hiea wrote: Let me ask people who base Naniwa as better solely on two Ro8, but not much other as of late. Now ask me, if you were to choose who would be the better player between Puzzle and Puma, I bet 99% of people would say Puma, however Puzzle got 2 Ro8 in Code S in a row, and Puma won 3 major international events+2nd at IEM WC. With the logic that because Naniwa makes Ro8 twice his better than Stephano also has to say Puzzle is better than Puma, which may be right, Puzzle is scary, but you wouldn't think of him as better than Puma. I think the people that watch gsl/gstl would consider puzzle to be the better player, I highly doubt even close to a majority would say Puma is better than Puzzle. In Sports and E-sports you consider the most recent results really, realistically last 2 months, maybe slightly more, thats why no one considers Polt, Jjakji or Fruitdealer to be the best in the scene at the moment. Its all about quality now. and what else could he have done other than top 8 in the latest code s, what do you mean not much else? what else could he possibly have done as well? Top 8 code S is crazy good. No one disputes the gsl is the hardest tournament in the world, so surely the players that succeed in this tournament are the best in the world. Stephano has taken down MC and Hero, but he did that in nasl, not the gsl, and only 2 code S quality players, Naniwa this season alone took down Creator, Thestc, Keen and for the second season running, Genius. I could be wrong, but until Stephano actually goes into gsl and does well, the title belongs to Naniwa. Winning an international tournament is just another notch on the belt to a player like him, thorzain won dreamhack, but people didnt all come out and say he's the best because look at his efforts in gsl. Its a bit like Ice Hockey, no one really cares that much about the world championships, but winning the Olympic gold is everything. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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