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Who is the best 'foreigner'? - Page 12

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wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 04:44:43
July 19 2012 04:41 GMT
#221
There is only one legitimate choice for best foreigner. The only person to win an official Korean league that isn't Korean himself.

(P)Grrrr...

It never mentions being SCII.

Poorly worded question aside. In SCII it would have to be Stephano though. He is the only person who consistently beats Koreans during the end of tournaments.
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
July 19 2012 05:28 GMT
#222
On July 19 2012 02:47 dmtran87 wrote:
Let's just put it this way:

Stephano's goal for his pro-sc2 to career is to make money. Which is he quite successful at.

Naniwa's goal is to be the best player in the world (even skipping out in tournaments to practice)... he has not won anything recently.

Because of this, I would say Stephano's the better player of the two. especially considering, as some have pointed out, that Naniwa had the opportunity of having way more practice time in Korea.

Destiny cares about viewer count on his stream, and he achieves his goal even more consistently than Stephano and Naniwa, so he's a better player than both.

...come on, dude.
Negatiive
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada207 Posts
July 19 2012 05:44 GMT
#223
kiwikaki
ROOT4ROOT <3
ZerguufOu
Profile Joined December 2011
United States107 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 05:56:13
July 19 2012 05:55 GMT
#224
stephano #1. he has the most championships and prize money out of the foreigners plus his zvp is pretty insane. he'll beat naniwa like he does with all other protoss

edit: LOL at 10% others. naniwa and stephano are in a league of their own when it comes to foreigners.
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 06:10:34
July 19 2012 06:10 GMT
#225
On July 19 2012 13:41 wswordsmen wrote:
There is only one legitimate choice for best foreigner. The only person to win an official Korean league that isn't Korean himself.

(P)Grrrr...

It never mentions being SCII.

Poorly worded question aside. In SCII it would have to be Stephano though. He is the only person who consistently beats Koreans during the end of tournaments.

YES! Grrrr best foreigner of all time
DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
July 19 2012 06:38 GMT
#226
NaNi obviously.
And it will stay like that until Stephano grow some balls to compete in the GSL
TriumpHisme
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States97 Posts
July 19 2012 06:42 GMT
#227
I think its unfair to group these two people together because naniwa has been focused on GSL while stephano has been competeing in many different things. If they were both in GSL right now it would be a comparison, so i think it is silly.

But if i had to pick: stephano, hes a beast.
"A loss is not a bad thing. Failure is not something to be scorned or avoided ... Those losses, those games that you did not play well, that you lost - that is not YOU. That is not a reflection of you. That game is completely external to you." - Day[9]
Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
July 19 2012 06:44 GMT
#228
When will we get a showmatch between these two?
For the swarm
KoRStarvid
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden767 Posts
July 19 2012 06:52 GMT
#229
Naniwa has been beating top level koreans in GSL for a while now, and until stephano does the same, the title belongs to nani.
KoRStarvid
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden767 Posts
July 19 2012 06:57 GMT
#230
On July 19 2012 14:55 ZerguufOu wrote:
stephano #1. he has the most championships and prize money out of the foreigners plus his zvp is pretty insane. he'll beat naniwa like he does with all other protoss

edit: LOL at 10% others. naniwa and stephano are in a league of their own when it comes to foreigners.

The question isnt "who would win in a 1v1 between srephano and naniwa?". A player's level must be measured against the whole field of competition.
blug
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia623 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 07:37:10
July 19 2012 07:33 GMT
#231
I think it's pretty unfair people saying that Naniwa is the best foreigner because he's made it to Code S Round of 8 2 times in a row when Stephano has gotten further in foreign tournaments in which Naniwa has also been in.

Naniwa is probably a better preperation player while Stephano is probably better at beating people on the ball.

Also there is much bias in this poll it's rediculous. People like Stephano more, and people hate Naniwa more because he hurt Nesteas feelings in a tournament.
Derp
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 19 2012 07:54 GMT
#232
On July 19 2012 16:33 blug wrote:
I think it's pretty unfair people saying that Naniwa is the best foreigner because he's made it to Code S Round of 8 2 times in a row when Stephano has gotten further in foreign tournaments in which Naniwa has also been in.

Naniwa is probably a better preperation player while Stephano is probably better at beating people on the ball.

Also there is much bias in this poll it's rediculous. People like Stephano more, and people hate Naniwa more because he hurt Nesteas feelings in a tournament.

I agree. A poll like this isn't representative of the actual difference in skill.

A head to head BO11 deathmatch will have to be the only way to settle this.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
July 19 2012 07:56 GMT
#233
theyre both stronger than eachother in different areas. stephano would beat him in a 1v1 just cos his zvp is stupid. but nani would do better than him in gsl i think because he is a lot better with a format that allows him to prepare, and he doesnt get figured out as easily as stephano and his style, but stephano would do better in tourneys with a format such as MLG or dreamhack where he can play on the fly and such. i think theres no black and white answer to this question

but even tho im a nani fan due to protoss. i think stephano is better in more fields, so i would put him slighly ahead of nani imo
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
July 19 2012 08:04 GMT
#234
hard to say, they are very different players. stephano is pure talent and "starsense", naniwa is very hard working and determined to be the best. naniwa is also a player who benefits from preparing for a specific opponent, which doesnt seem to suit stephano.
I kinda still wanna say stephano though, seeing as he got on his level without the help of korean practice (i dont really count the 3 weeks he spent there for the GSL thing compared to how nani has been living there for quite some time now. stephano also only played 2 weeks of those, the last week he didnt stream and there were barely any new matches in his history. )
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
July 19 2012 10:25 GMT
#235
destiny
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
July 19 2012 10:55 GMT
#236
And it will stay like that until Stephano grow some balls to compete in the GSL


It's good that stephano got a brain, and not just balls, and know that playing GSL is loosing potential money, and since he play to win money, what's the point of playing GSL ? fame ? Fame dont pill up in your bank account !

Stephano of course.

I regret that naniwa make the gamble to stay in korea and try to win a GSL, maybe he can do it, but it's more likely that he never win it, and if he was playing in other tournament seriously he could have make much more money and win much more title.

Korean want to play in foreign event, want to go to foreign team, why some non-korean still want to play only GSL ? I dont understand !

LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
July 19 2012 10:59 GMT
#237
the zerg player, no doubt.
Keelshing
Profile Joined April 2012
Guernsey6 Posts
July 19 2012 11:09 GMT
#238
This poll might as well just be "Who do you like more?" Im sure not many people here actually look at stats, they just use their preference.

Naniwa, without a shadow of a doubt.
He is consistent in all 3 of his matchups and can perform spectacularly. Stephano is a great player, however he seriously lacks skill in ZvZ, losing to quite a few no names who just stomped him.

When Stephano gets Ro8 in GSL twice in a row, let me know.
intotheshadow
Profile Joined June 2012
United States1 Post
July 19 2012 11:30 GMT
#239
NaNiwa plays toss, and i love quantic gaming don't get me wrong.
But, handicap monkeys that play toss could keyboard smash their Way to Code S.
Nuff said, go Stephano.
muLe
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany30 Posts
July 19 2012 11:37 GMT
#240
On July 18 2012 09:37 Iddqdish wrote:
on the fly - Stephano
if there is time to prepare for 1 match - Naniwa


this is how I also would describe them, Naniwa really impressed me with his achievements in the gsl s3 2012 - even as a Zerg Player I must say that I would not have been upset if he managed to beat DRG, really good game from him
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