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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
July 19 2012 11:59 GMT
#241
In terms of in game decision making definitely stephano.
However, the way Naniwa prepares for matches is great.

I hate the ambiguity of the question 'who is better' in general. or actually people not realising that.
Skiblet
Profile Joined August 2011
South Africa206 Posts
July 19 2012 12:04 GMT
#242
The question is who is the best foreigner, as in the best foreigner currently, and I believe it is Stephano. Sure Naniwa has reached ro8 twice in the GSL but at the same time Stephano hasn't even PARTICIPATED in the gsl (yet) and has still been dismantling Code S players left right and center. Its not like Naniwa reached ro8 twice therefore he is the best foreigner, if that was the case then we could be mentioning a lot of other players with great GSL runs up there. The fact of the matter is Stephano is just better, and just because he hasn't played in the GSL doesn't mean he can't be the best, his numerous amount of Code S player dominations and BIG foreign tournament wins should speak for itself.
"Just fucking kill 'em" Day[9]
FatChunk
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada93 Posts
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#243
didnt i hear rumours of a showmatch between Stephano and NaNiWa, as well as bickering about prize pool on twitter? they need to have a showmatch to decide who is top foreginer
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#244
MC just say that stephano is better than DRG.
DRG is the best in the world.
and Stephano say in interview that he fear more Hero than MC (because of playstyle)

Of course they speak about TvZ.


at the start, going to korea was to play against better opponent. nowadays korean study stephano.
wich korean study naniwa ? did a korean tell in interview that naniwa is the best toss ?
In the last 4 month stephano played against a more wide pool of top player than naniwa in the last year.

Maybe it's now better to play world tournament than only korean tournament.

GSL prestige is falling.
If MC go to win is third GSL just after getting schooled by stephano... it tell everything. because be sure that MC and Hero prepare to play against stephano.


LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3510 Posts
July 19 2012 12:36 GMT
#245
Can i just say, this is the worst poll question ever.
Who's the best foreigner? with two options..
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
July 19 2012 12:41 GMT
#246
with two options..


Do you see many other playing with consistency at this level ?

I almost think it needed only one option.
LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
cudder7
Profile Joined August 2011
United States14 Posts
July 19 2012 12:43 GMT
#247
I voted Naniwa. The fact that top level Koreans have weeks in between matches to prepare for Naniwa, and he still wins is pretty amazing.

But then again it all depends on what type of tournament format you put them in.
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
July 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#248
As much as I like Naniwa, Stephano's clearly got this one. GSL results are nice but I think people blow them out of proportion when they act like Stephano's results aren't comparable. GSL might have the strongest competition but it's still just a single tournament that's often even very volatile. Stephano's been incredibly consistent at a whole ton of tournaments though, far more so than any other foreigner and close to rivaling MC even. I really doubt Naniwa could achieve the same success, while I'm sure Stephano is capable of making it deep in GSL, regardless of whether it ever happens.
monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
July 19 2012 12:59 GMT
#249
I wonder what would happen if Stephano played in GSL and it came down to Stephano vs Naniwa finals
Daeden.620
mustenjoypie
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands11 Posts
July 19 2012 13:09 GMT
#250
On July 19 2012 21:32 zedrOne wrote:
MC just say that stephano is better than DRG.
DRG is the best in the world.
and Stephano say in interview that he fear more Hero than MC (because of playstyle)




even tho DongRaeGu lost today doesnt mean that stephano is better then him, he still is much better and still is the best player in the world.

as for stephano vs naniwa... stephano beats naniwa anyday.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
July 19 2012 13:20 GMT
#251
some people here should stop hurting themselves, stephano is the foreigner who is by FAR the most analyzed by koreans, and he still manages to beat them, stephano is clearly the best foreigner

ps: make a showmatch stephano vs naniwa to know who is the best foreigner is a non-sens, you have to take the overall performance
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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wenye123456
Profile Joined July 2007
China56 Posts
July 19 2012 13:43 GMT
#252
NaNiwa imo. If Stephano shows himself in GSL, then maybe.
Mblak
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada23 Posts
July 19 2012 14:09 GMT
#253
They are probably pretty equal but Stephano is way cooler so he gets the edge
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
July 19 2012 14:13 GMT
#254
you can't be the best unless you "play" in GSL ?

Some player win GSL title and are not even worth mentioning for best korean player... how can you maintain that only "playing rO8" in GSL make naniwa a better player ?

It's the most dumbest logic ever.

One tournament to rules them all ?
Hope GSL bankrupt soon so people can see player with less bias.
LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 19 2012 14:14 GMT
#255
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mustenjoypie
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands11 Posts
July 19 2012 14:16 GMT
#256
On July 19 2012 23:13 zedrOne wrote:
you can't be the best unless you "play" in GSL ?

Some player win GSL title and are not even worth mentioning for best korean player... how can you maintain that only "playing rO8" in GSL make naniwa a better player ?

It's the most dumbest logic ever.

One tournament to rules them all ?
Hope GSL bankrupt soon so people can see player with less bias.


only the best players from the whole world play in the gsl code s.
you should follow sc2 more before you leave such a stupid comment.
crowbar
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden21 Posts
July 19 2012 14:24 GMT
#257
It doesn't matter what we think! What does slasher think?!

OT: Naniwa is too pro.
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
July 19 2012 14:46 GMT
#258
Stephano no doubt defeating MC and Hero

I definetley hope he will go to korea some day
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
July 19 2012 14:49 GMT
#259

only the best players from the whole world play in the gsl code s.


corrected :

"Only korean, and some foreigner who choose to spend a lot of time in korea play in GSL"

LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
July 19 2012 15:01 GMT
#260
On July 19 2012 21:29 FatChunk wrote:
didnt i hear rumours of a showmatch between Stephano and NaNiWa, as well as bickering about prize pool on twitter? they need to have a showmatch to decide who is top foreginer


The problem is, PvZ is Stephano's best and Naniwa's worst matchup. I don't think we could make conclusions based on that.
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