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Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
July 19 2012 00:45 GMT
#201
On July 18 2012 09:37 Iddqdish wrote:
on the fly - Stephano
if there is time to prepare for 1 match - Naniwa


Agreed.
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
July 19 2012 01:01 GMT
#202
On July 19 2012 09:43 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 08:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On July 19 2012 08:19 KalWarkov wrote:
On July 18 2012 10:36 zanga wrote:
Why even compare? It makes no sense.

When stephano gets two Code S ro8 in a row we can start comparing apples and apples. It's not easy when youre alone against all the koreans in Seoul and "everyone" are trying to make you lose...

NANIWA > *

(also, Zerg is pretty good at the moment btw, you decide if thats relevant)


LOL.

Naniwa had pretty "easy" runs if you compare it with code S standards. Stephano on the same brackets? EASY ro8 for him... Stephano is clearly the best foreigner atm...

code S isnt all that counts - not at all.


Here's what I got from checking Liquipedia:

Naniwa's "easy" GSL runs:

Puzzle, Ryung, Genius, Supernova, loss to MVP.
Nestea, Creator, Keen, Genius, loss to Dongraegu.

Stephano's "difficult" non-GSL runs from 2012:

NASL: Beastyqt, Hero, MC, Alicia
Dreamhack Summer: Tails (the Swedish one), Mojagy, Puma, Daisy, freizy, Morrow, Huk, Keen, Nerchio, loss to Mana.
MLG Spring Arena: Ryung, Ret, MC, Heart, losses to Violet and Symbol.
Assembly Winter: Mana, NightEnd, Happy (the Russian one), Real, elfi, Puma, loss to Polt.
Red Bull Battlegrounds: Violet, Illusion, Ganzi, Parting, loss to MC.
Lone Star Clash: Hawk, Grubby, White-Ra, Polt.

What would you say are the strongest opponents either defeated? How many easy players did they have to go through?


how about including naniwas dreamhack performance? stephano never dissappoints, in fact he wouldve probably won most tournaments if he wouldnt get wasted before the finals day... like saw that at dreamhack? he slept on a couch at 6 pm next to 2GD... just an example. he IS the best foreigner, whoever says differently overrates code S a bit.
Code S is the hardest tournament - yes. but u can also get far without being the best in that format. as we saw with HuK before...


You said Naniwa's Code S run was easy. I was illustrating that easy Code S runs were harder than pretty much anything outside of Code S. What you wish to believe is none of my concern, but trying to devalue Naniwa's achievements by implying that they were easy is dishonest. That is all.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
July 19 2012 01:01 GMT
#203
Stephano needs to go play in GSL already. Only way he'll be able to prove if hes truly the best foreigner.
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EsMuyVien
Profile Joined July 2011
United States408 Posts
July 19 2012 01:04 GMT
#204
Naniwa definitely.
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banzaiib
Profile Joined August 2010
United States53 Posts
July 19 2012 01:21 GMT
#205
is it just me, or does it feel like TL is trolling us all with this poll? <3 <3 <3 dont ban me!

Seriously though... I wish their ELO ratings were up to date (unless I'm mistaken), then we could have a bit more "intellectual" or at the very least, mathematical debate... i mean, who doesn't love one of those?
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 01:33:19
July 19 2012 01:32 GMT
#206
On July 19 2012 08:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 08:19 KalWarkov wrote:
On July 18 2012 10:36 zanga wrote:
Why even compare? It makes no sense.

When stephano gets two Code S ro8 in a row we can start comparing apples and apples. It's not easy when youre alone against all the koreans in Seoul and "everyone" are trying to make you lose...

NANIWA > *

(also, Zerg is pretty good at the moment btw, you decide if thats relevant)


LOL.

Naniwa had pretty "easy" runs if you compare it with code S standards. Stephano on the same brackets? EASY ro8 for him... Stephano is clearly the best foreigner atm...

code S isnt all that counts - not at all.


Here's what I got from checking Liquipedia:

Naniwa's "easy" GSL runs:

Puzzle, Ryung, Genius, Supernova, loss to MVP.
Nestea, Creator, Keen, Genius, loss to Dongraegu.

Stephano's "difficult" non-GSL runs from 2012:

NASL: Beastyqt, Hero, MC, Alicia
Dreamhack Summer: Tails (the Swedish one), Mojagy, Puma, Daisy, freizy, Morrow, Huk, Keen, Nerchio, loss to Mana.
MLG Spring Arena: Ryung, Ret, MC, Heart, losses to Violet and Symbol.
Assembly Winter: Mana, NightEnd, Happy (the Russian one), Real, elfi, Puma, loss to Polt.
Red Bull Battlegrounds: Violet, Illusion, Ganzi, Parting, loss to MC.
Lone Star Clash: Hawk, Grubby, White-Ra, Polt.

What would you say are the strongest opponents either defeated? How many easy players did they have to go through?


When you take stats as proff atleats be correct. Seriously

Redbull battleground you left out his win over Squirtle(3-1)

And you leave out MLG Anahaim completly:
Stephano vs Sase 1-2
Stephano vs MKP 1-2
Stephano vs Rain 2-1
Stephano vs JYP 2-0
Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0
Stephano vs Alicia 2-0
Stephano vs Polt 2-1

And not only that you leave out all of Naniwa´s none GSL performance like 2 dreamhack where he got knocked out early and you leave out NASL showdown where Genius dominated him 4-0

Come on is this what TL has become? We just make shit up as we go or dont post the correct info?

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naastyOne
Profile Joined April 2012
491 Posts
July 19 2012 01:35 GMT
#207
Stephano.

Naniva failed to deliver in same tournaments where Stephano ended up higher.

Code S is, while impressive, has a very specific format, that leads to it`s results nob beirg very relevant to other tournaments.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 01:49:36
July 19 2012 01:48 GMT
#208
Stephano if the tournament results don't speak for themselves then the fact that he is the 7th earnest player, and can probably take out anyone in the game in a series.
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 02:00:21
July 19 2012 01:55 GMT
#209
On July 19 2012 10:32 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 08:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On July 19 2012 08:19 KalWarkov wrote:
On July 18 2012 10:36 zanga wrote:
Why even compare? It makes no sense.

When stephano gets two Code S ro8 in a row we can start comparing apples and apples. It's not easy when youre alone against all the koreans in Seoul and "everyone" are trying to make you lose...

NANIWA > *

(also, Zerg is pretty good at the moment btw, you decide if thats relevant)


LOL.

Naniwa had pretty "easy" runs if you compare it with code S standards. Stephano on the same brackets? EASY ro8 for him... Stephano is clearly the best foreigner atm...

code S isnt all that counts - not at all.


Here's what I got from checking Liquipedia:

Naniwa's "easy" GSL runs:

Puzzle, Ryung, Genius, Supernova, loss to MVP.
Nestea, Creator, Keen, Genius, loss to Dongraegu.

Stephano's "difficult" non-GSL runs from 2012:

NASL: Beastyqt, Hero, MC, Alicia
Dreamhack Summer: Tails (the Swedish one), Mojagy, Puma, Daisy, freizy, Morrow, Huk, Keen, Nerchio, loss to Mana.
MLG Spring Arena: Ryung, Ret, MC, Heart, losses to Violet and Symbol.
Assembly Winter: Mana, NightEnd, Happy (the Russian one), Real, elfi, Puma, loss to Polt.
Red Bull Battlegrounds: Violet, Illusion, Ganzi, Parting, loss to MC.
Lone Star Clash: Hawk, Grubby, White-Ra, Polt.

What would you say are the strongest opponents either defeated? How many easy players did they have to go through?


When you take stats as proff atleats be correct. Seriously

Redbull battleground you left out his win over Squirtle(3-1)

And you leave out MLG Anahaim completly:
Stephano vs Sase 1-2
Stephano vs MKP 1-2
Stephano vs Rain 2-1
Stephano vs JYP 2-0
Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0
Stephano vs Alicia 2-0
Stephano vs Polt 2-1

And not only that you leave out all of Naniwa´s none GSL performance like 2 dreamhack where he got knocked out early and you leave out NASL showdown where Genius dominated him 4-0

Come on is this what TL has become? We just make shit up as we go or dont post the correct info?



I did not include Stephano's MLG Anaheim run because it was not included in my source. You may certainly feel free to add it if you wish.

I did not include Naninwas non-GSL performances because they are not allegedly easy GSL Code S runs, which, if you had bothered reading what my post was replying to before getting your panties in a twist, you would have realised was the entire point.

I would throw your final line back at you, but I prefer not to quote the words of fools.
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polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 19 2012 01:57 GMT
#210
Naniwa. GSL >>> anything else
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 02:55:01
July 19 2012 02:42 GMT
#211
On July 19 2012 07:12 JeffGoldblum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:37 AndAgain wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:18 GoonFFS wrote:
Stephano obviously has to prove himself in code s before he can even come close to naniwa imo


Does handily beating code S players many times count for anything?


He does it in tournaments that last for 3 or less days. Tournaments in which very specific preparation barely exists.


I don't see why winning games when you know who's your opponent in advance is more impressive. An argument could be made that the player who can excel against anybody at any time is more well rounded.
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INTOtheVOID
Profile Joined January 2012
United States225 Posts
July 19 2012 02:45 GMT
#212
Have to say NaNiwa until Stephano shows he can prepare in the GSL. 2 ro8 finishes at this point means something...much more than Jinro/Idra's GSL results back in the early days of sc2.
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iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
July 19 2012 02:58 GMT
#213
Stephano because he rolls top koreans pretty badly... but it is tight as nani can clutch in code s which is unreal good.
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CursivE
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia317 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 03:30:48
July 19 2012 03:30 GMT
#214
Despite Stephano's impressive reults I have to give it to Naniwa.

The GSL is the most prestigious league for SC2 and as such should carry more weight.

Performing well in a tournament setting shows excellent mechanics. But mechanics isn't everything in SC2. It's why NesTea has won more GSLs than MKP.
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Scurvy
Profile Joined March 2012
United States117 Posts
July 19 2012 03:49 GMT
#215
I really do wish Stephano would show up in the GSL. That would be very interesting.
With it or on it.
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 19 2012 03:59 GMT
#216
Overall Stephano, he has just won so much more recently. Would love to see him in GSL seeing how he keeps winning vs other Koreans.
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
July 19 2012 04:08 GMT
#217
Naniwa isnt even close. Stephano destroys every foreign tournament he goes to and Naniwa has a moderate success RECENTLY in only the GSL.

No comparison at all.
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FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
July 19 2012 04:09 GMT
#218
Really?? Just two choices and then Other? By default a majority of the people voting are going to pick one of the 2 main choices...
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fairymonger
Profile Joined June 2011
United States81 Posts
July 19 2012 04:13 GMT
#219
Have to go with Stephano here. The french connection has won more tourneys then naniwa. Although Naniwa is playing with the best SC2 players in the world and 2 back to back Round of 8 is very impressive. If Stephano goes to Korea and does really well then it would only solidify him even more
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 04:28:04
July 19 2012 04:27 GMT
#220
If JD says he likes Stephano, that should be enough for me.

On July 18 2012 10:33 Drowsy wrote:
Stephano because of race, but its really close.


Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 09:37 Iddqdish wrote:
on the fly - Stephano
if there is time to prepare for 1 match - Naniwa


and definitely need to take this into consideration as well.


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