EPTWho is the best 'foreigner'? - Page 9
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Detonation
United States26 Posts
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An2quamaraN
Poland379 Posts
On July 18 2012 09:41 Renfield wrote: How could anyone vote for Stephano when Naniwa keeps making it super far in the GSL? Until Stephano does something like that all he has proven is he can sporadically beat Koreans. Because you see, it's because the specific format of GSL. You know far more ahead who you will be facing, therefore you have a lot of time and environment (korea) to prepare for those matches, specifically. What makes Naniwa so good is that he has the ability to perfectly prepare for his matches, come up with unique build orders. On the other hand, there is Stephano, who practices half as Naniwa does, never been to Korea, yet, has an ability to do other can not*, on the fly, without preparation, just because of his talent. Also, Stephano accomplished more than twice than Naniwa ever had outside of Korea. *by that i meant some of the best macro combined with some of the best micro and decision making at the same time. I don't like Stephano, i am a fan of Naniwa. But i can't deny the obvious raw talent and numbers (tournaments won). Voted Stephano. | ||
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
However I think the fact that the poll is called "is Naniwa or Stephano the best foreigner" saying a lot. 90% of all votes think one of these players are the best foreigner as of now. I think Nerchio, Thorzain and Sase could make an argument but still they have a bit left to compete with Naniwa and Stephano for that title. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Still, you really can't argue with the consistency of Stephano's performances and no matter how good GSL is, double RO8 isn't really up to par with Stephano's results, so yeah. | ||
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Acquire
United States6 Posts
But most influental? Definitly Stephano right now--he did change the meta. Even though Naniwa is showing a new meta of gate 1st expands. | ||
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Dyme
Germany523 Posts
Naniwa is Protoss. I just don't have much respect for Protosses. It never really feels as 'skilled' watching a Protoss play. Yea, chances are good Protosses are really good. Like LoL pros are probably also good. It just doesn't look impressive ever at all. | ||
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HotShizz
France710 Posts
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Acquire
United States6 Posts
On July 19 2012 03:54 4ZakeN87 wrote: I think Stephano but it is kind of close. If Naniwa could show he has overall improved his PvZ I might shift towards Naniwa. However I think the fact that the poll is called "is Naniwa or Stephano the best foreigner" saying a lot. 90% of all votes think one of these players are the best foreigner as of now. I think Nerchio, Thorzain and Sase could make an argument but still they have a bit left to compete with Naniwa and Stephano for that title. Haha wouldn't that make Naniwa better? Opponents are given equal amount of time to prepare against each other yet stephano can't make it to the round of 8 of the most prestigious sc2 tournament. aka what i am trying to say is Stephano is his weakest link because he doesn't practice as much making his opponent better then him. | ||
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Acquire
United States6 Posts
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iiant14ii
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
Maybe Stephano is better, but until he goes to GSL, he hasn't proven it. Benefit of doubt goes to Naniwa. | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
I'm going with my gut and voting Stephano. I feel like he's the favorite more often than Naniwa, even when playing against similar opponents. I do agree with the people saying that Naniwa might be better at preparing for a bo5 but Stephano is freaking awesome at grinding through huge numbers of opponents in game intensive tournaments. | ||
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JJH777
United States4376 Posts
On July 19 2012 03:19 Fr0d0 wrote: Money is the best unbiased measure of skill for professionals. They all doing it for money one way or another. Fruitdealer top 10 player in the world. | ||
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MrF
United States320 Posts
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MrF
United States320 Posts
On July 19 2012 04:06 Dyme wrote: Stephanos vP is really good, his vT is... well he is Zerg, so it's free win, vZ is not really bad, but not impressive. Naniwa is Protoss. I just don't have much respect for Protosses. It never really feels as 'skilled' watching a Protoss play. Yea, chances are good Protosses are really good. Like LoL pros are probably also good. It just doesn't look impressive ever at all. ever play protoss?? dont compare playing protoss to LoL please.... | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
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Atlas247
Canada318 Posts
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Damonkeyy
United States12 Posts
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Seph02
Netherlands221 Posts
Naniwa, along with players such as Squirtle and Symbol, he is just below the top elite koreans (Such as MVP, DRG and MC). Let's call it a sub-top-elite xD Although we haven't seen Stephano in Code S yet, in tournaments I never feel he is a lesser player compared to anyone else.Not saying that Stephano is the best player in the world, but I think that Stephano is in between the top elite koreans and players such as Naniwa, Squirtle and Symbol. What's probably also in the back of people's mind is Stephano's sort of reckless and sometimes even uninterested attitude. Naniwa, is quite a character himself, but a damn hard worker and aware of his surroundings atleast. But in terms of skill, I think Stephano is currently the best foreigner.. Naniwa recently tweeted that he saw Stephano as the best foreigner, no idea if Naniwa was trolling/provoking Stephano though. I think a more interresting story, is the constantly changing number 3...I mean who is number 3 ? Huk? Sase? Ret? Thorzain? Nerchio? | ||
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
On July 19 2012 04:11 Acquire wrote: Haha wouldn't that make Naniwa better? Opponents are given equal amount of time to prepare against each other yet stephano can't make it to the round of 8 of the most prestigious sc2 tournament. aka what i am trying to say is Stephano is his weakest link because he doesn't practice as much making his opponent better then him. Stephano has more "skill" as he is very good at going against random players (not preparing specifically for each opponent) and still crushing them. This is why MVP consistently does badly (for 4-time GSL winning standards) in foreign tournaments, but still crushes in GSL-type tournaments. This does not mean either one of these "types" of players is better than the other, if it came down to a showmatch, Naniwa would pretty handily defeat stephano because he has that experience in preparing for a specific opponent and map. | ||
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