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hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
163 Posts
July 18 2012 12:34 GMT
#121
obviously it's stephano. stephano vP and vT > naniwa.

also, pro koreans say it's stephano, no doubts
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
July 18 2012 12:38 GMT
#122
Definitely Stephano only because his talent is way more impressive than Naniwa
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 18 2012 12:49 GMT
#123
I respect Naniwa more for competing in the korean tournaments: GSL and OSL even if he doesn't have the best results , because they are more prestigious and of better quality . With so many foreigners competing in foreign events with less korean players it's not much of a surprise that top foreigners win events from time to time . While a foreigner winning GSL or OSL gets less likely with every new season . I respect Naniwa for keeping the foreigner's hope of winning a korean tournament which could probably never happen .

Skillwise i think they are about equal , but Naniwa is playing in a tougher environment so he gets my vote .
Ireniicus
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom374 Posts
July 18 2012 12:54 GMT
#124
I think one thing is very clear; they are a distance ahead of the next best foreigner where its a toss up between a declining Huk, an inconsistent Thorzain and the up and coming Mana and Nerchio.

I think too much credence is given to GSL. It is clearly the hardest tournament but it is such a different format with the week long know who you are playing and on what maps deal. It also means you play very few games if you stick to just that.

Compare that to the never ending cycle of weekender tournaments which includes a good number of Code A/s players each every time. You never know who you will be playing so have to be able to adapt to all builds and styles.

Personally I think Naniwa is somewhat behind Stephano, but absolutely has potential to catch up and be the best depending on the vagaries of the metagame. So I vote for Stephano
H0bgawblin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States109 Posts
July 18 2012 12:57 GMT
#125
I gave it to Stephano, but I think Naniwa is more likely to improve over time given that he is in Korea and training with GSL level players.
Gnomie
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 13:01:29
July 18 2012 13:00 GMT
#126
Zerg is just OP atm, so you can't compare them.
"I can beat IdrA in a real game. Without real units." - HuK
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 18 2012 13:13 GMT
#127
Most pro's say it's Stephano - Koreans and foreigners. Moreover, he has a good claim on becoming very close to the world top players altogether.

Jaedong worships Stephano, that's like, more valuable than 3 GSL titles.

When comparing players, it's not all about where they are at in their accomplishments, it's also about just how they play, what they can achieve within the game vs accomplished players.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Garik
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland3 Posts
July 18 2012 13:16 GMT
#128
NERCHIO & MANA & DRACO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all foreigner
lool
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 18 2012 13:16 GMT
#129
On July 18 2012 22:00 Gnomie wrote:
Zerg is just OP atm, so you can't compare them.


but but Stephano was OP long before Zerg was "OP" <_>
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Homeland
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark58 Posts
July 18 2012 13:51 GMT
#130
just like to mention that Ret did just beat puzzle in the Nasl... Nerchio is ranked higher as well.. dont feel like Naniwa or Stephano are very special.
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
July 18 2012 13:56 GMT
#131
On July 18 2012 09:37 Iddqdish wrote:
on the fly - Stephano
if there is time to prepare for 1 match - Naniwa


this .. so who is the best..
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
BlackCloud
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada154 Posts
July 18 2012 14:31 GMT
#132
NaNi's going into his 3rd striaght season of Code S i think that says a lot, i personally thought stephano would be on a down streak but after NASL - This guy is playing better than i have seen him play. I still think NaNi is the better player, hes been good since the beta and hes better than hes ever been, also hes getting a lot better. NaNi's showing that he can compete with the best out there, that 2-3 match against DRG was amazing. If he can 2-3 DRG and almost win i think heads up he could do it stephano, i know stephanos PvZ is amazing, but persoanlly i think DRG is the best and NaNi make DRG look scared at times.


This being said there both good, i just think NaNi is better and will continue to get better. He had the drive, it seems like stephano thinks hes bigger than the game or something, saying he didnt practice 2 weeks leading up to NASL ( which i think could be bs).
Mairou
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland144 Posts
July 18 2012 14:31 GMT
#133
Naniwa, but i wouldn't say hes the best foreign becouse he is one of the best players overall including koreans. He has advanced to RO8 in the most hardest tournament of all time 2 times in row now. And he almost beat DRG who i consider to be the best player in the world atm.
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Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
July 18 2012 14:38 GMT
#134
If Naniwa advances to Ro4 next season, that 64% Stephano will flip to Naniwa. There is no telling who is better from these guys before they actually clash, or Stephano gets to Korea.
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
July 18 2012 14:58 GMT
#135
A guy in code S that can take on anyone playing any race vs some guy who is not even in code B who is mediocre vs T and Z.
Not only this but Zergs have been winning a lot recently.....
Naniwa, better by far he even nearly knocked DRG out of code S, the player he would have found hardest PvZ -.-)..imo he is capable of winning code S.
Stephano however would most likely lose once he bumps into a code S calibre T or Z. He usually does the same thing which is not hard to deal with when you have time to prepare for your match.
ackbar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States94 Posts
July 18 2012 15:03 GMT
#136
Stephano for shizzle.
xSilverx
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden76 Posts
July 18 2012 15:12 GMT
#137
This poll is kinda pointless we just have to wait untill nexxt season to see when both nani and stephano appears in GSL code s. But i think it is like HerO says Stephano isn´t cut out for GSL he can´t prepare like Nani for a match.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 15:16:41
July 18 2012 15:15 GMT
#138
Stephano has shown so much consistency that I have to pick him. Only if he would have disappointed at NASL, it would have been close.

I think too, that some put too much focus on the GSL. Yes, the best players are there. And you have preparation time, but the format is similar to other tourneys. With a bit of luck, you can get far. And the best players have gone out early.
When Nani busted 3 times in Code A, I said that was bad luck, he is better. Now that he got 2 times Ro8, I say, that was good luck, he isnt Top8 in the world.
Its still a very impressive feat by Naniwa, but it doesnt automatically have more value than all other results.

On July 18 2012 21:54 Ireniicus wrote:
I think one thing is very clear; they are a distance ahead of the next best foreigner where its a toss up between a declining Huk, an inconsistent Thorzain and the up and coming Mana and Nerchio.


Sase is #3 imo. But close, yes.
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
July 18 2012 15:33 GMT
#139
in my heart it's GoOdy

brain says Stephano
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
cdp
Profile Joined July 2012
2 Posts
July 18 2012 15:38 GMT
#140
Can't believe this is even up for debate, Stephano is by far the best foreigner.
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