EPTMaybe Bisu should be slightly higher, like around 5th or something, at least. Not above Flash, certainly. I also approve of Soulkey > Jaedong, even though JD won the direct fight recently, SK is still probably the best zerg right now.
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figq
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Maybe Bisu should be slightly higher, like around 5th or something, at least. Not above Flash, certainly. I also approve of Soulkey > Jaedong, even though JD won the direct fight recently, SK is still probably the best zerg right now. | ||
ArvickHero
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johnnnchoi
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On April 17 2012 16:43 ArvickHero wrote: Lol .. I'm sorry, but placing Bisu below both Leta and Jaedong is a total joke. Bisu and Leta not qualifying for OSL is a total joke | ||
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oldgregg
New Zealand1176 Posts
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On April 14 2012 20:45 VGhost wrote: ...remember when "KT Zergs" meant "hope good Lux shows up and then.. oh god it's 815"? And I guess they never replaced Luxury's peak, but Action & Crazy-Hydra are serviceable and HoeJJa's playoff "zone" is simply incredible. Wasn't Hoejja around then too? I thought there was a third zerg option (although no more palatable than 815). Or is that just my faulty KT(F) memory? On April 15 2012 07:06 VGhost wrote: Horang2 surprised me a little, and I think replacing him with CH makes more sense in this case... but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Every single one of Flash's losses have been either in one matchup (TvP) or to fantasy (once). He's the near-undisputed best player in the world - let's say fantasy may have had a better ranking period, but would you take him over Flash in a Bo5? Maybe - I'd give him probably a 35-40% chance to win right now - but that's fine: fantasy is #1 this month. Who would you put above Flash? Stork? Close - a clear #3 - not seeing it, especially after their last game. Bisu? Sure, Bisu won one game over Flash (on a heavily Protoss-favored map, with cheese), but he lost in the OSL prelims to RorO. (One of the other players who beat Flash? - yeah, no. M18M is a PvT specialist and barely plays; Dear ditto although he plays regularly; neither is a threat to upset in the OSL, let alone win the thing.) Any other ranked players? Jaedong's been inconsistent; Soulkey has an uninspiring record; Leta or Stats are clearly not in the discussion. Basically what I'm saying is, if you want to take Flash lower than #2, you have to offer a convincing argument that he's worse than #2 - which is difficult, as you could still make a reasonable argument for him as #1, bad day vs SKT and TvP issues notwithstanding. You have more of a case with Horang2, but I think he's getting the credit for beating Flash. Even once. Sure, like I said above, CH makes more sense to me overall, but Horang2 is reasonable: he's had a good season, made the OSL, and took a game off Flash in playoffs. It's hardly unjustifiable. Agreed. It's the same as the days of Jaedong's dominance. If he lost 2 games people would shriek "slump!" and then there'd be people reasoning he should fall from the top spot. And in my opinion, he rightly didn't. He always had the most star "power" and when considered not just over a month, or a snapshot of a couple of games, he was always the favourite, often quite heavily, to win a BoX against anyone. Until Flash gives us a second bad month, he's not in the Savior zone yet. Also @MDJ, I think Flamewheel is consistent - he ranks players who he thinks are the best overall. We have KeSPA and ELO for ranking weighted on past results or individual player-to-player based results. But neither of them tell the full story. The Power Rank is more flexible than that. And you're meant to pick the person you'd want as your Champion if your life were on the line. Not the last guy to win a starleague or go on a mini tear. Flash has proven for a while he's the best player in the world. He's lack of results in this small period haven't convinced me he has lost his Bonjwa status yet. Oh, while I agree with your dislike of the yesterday dilemma, my conclusion is that to rank Flash as anything other than number 1 or 2 is falling into that trap. Also, best players overall and best today are synonymous, but I assume you meant best overall historically. Edit: Just reread some of the previous PR's (specifically Jangbi being ranked above Flash for a month). So I retract the fervour of my tone in expressing Flamewheel's consistency  .On April 16 2012 01:06 Monsen wrote: So you're saying they're both #1? Maybe it's just semantics here, but isn't there supposed to be only one "best" player? Now, I'm not trying to stir up pointless shit, especially before flamewheel has a chance to reply, but as far as I understand it, the Powerrank is about who is the strongest (i.e. powerful) player right now. And while it's supposed to reflect on the players "power" at the present, it is most certainly informed by performance over a longer period of time (that's why we have to wait for soooo long at times <3 ). In conclusion, if Flash is still the worlds "best" (most powerful) player he should be at #1. Maybe it's just flamewheels way of saying that the two "F"s are so close that it doesn't really matter and both could be considered "best". I agree with Monsen. And I think Mortality is basically saying Flash is the best, but Fantasy deserves this moment. And if he's not, I'm saying it. I'd be fine with Flash as number one. If Fantasy continues to show strong results and Flash goes 50-50 again, then I'm happy to consider the title of best changing (and that'd still be a slow process). Right now it's a small sample of results and Flash has earned some leeway. He's not over the hill yet. On April 16 2012 23:52 hitthat wrote: Fantasy is great player. It is unfair that some inferior players like Iris or Hwasin will be probably remmembered more than him when it all ends. He came at a time when there were so many legends around. I think though, that he will be remembered as a greater player. When I think protoss, I think Reach, Nalra and maybe Kingdom. Then I remember Anytime. Likewise, I don't immediately think of Hwasin or Iris. They are more like Anytime (well Iris is), Hwasin is more like Calm ;p... God that's mean to Calm. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
. You're welcome to say they are indeterminate. And obviously that doesn't meand they are 50-50. So it comes down to a judgement call. For me, I give it to Flash based on the past. But I don't mind Fantasy being there right now. I just believe Flash should have one more month at the top before any change. Actually I believed this for Jangbi over Flash 3 ranks ago too. I went back and checked and was surprised to see Flash not at no 1.While others have done more in indivdual months, I don't think anyone has shown they are more to be feared than Flash since he achieved God-mode. Fantasy is so close atm it's fine. I just prefer seeing change gradually. I know many don't. I don't even hate KeSPA's rankings for that reason. But I prefer PR to KeSPA and ELO because it strikes a nice balance and tells a wider story. On September 20 2011 08:07 nodule wrote: I'm okay with Jangbi at #1, even though it hurts that Flash isn't going out as #1 on his last PR. Because—mark my words—it will be his last. I also battle with carpal tunnel problems, and I guarantee that he isn't coming back. On September 26 2011 09:53 oldgregg wrote: I think this counts as blasphemy! On a serious note good PR, a tad on the emotional side but hey thats all good, JangBang's story is amazing and he deserves the #1 spot for this month at least! Hehe the faithful rewarded. Sort of .Amusing, wherever you think Flash is right now and where he's headed. | ||
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Tomba
Norway106 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2346 Posts
On April 19 2012 09:11 Mortality wrote: Huh? I thought I was pretty clear with what I said: I think the best is indeterminable right now. There is no clear #1. If I had to compare them, I think that Flash has stronger fundamentals, but Fantasy is the player who is more difficult to prepare for. Flash tends to stick with a certain style and he uses cheese as his method of mixing things up. His strength lay in the flexibility of his style and the raw execution abilities he brings to the table. In this sense I find him more like a modern day Nada. Fantasy tends to devise a strategy for the situation. His execution abilities are nothing to scoff at, but the truly difficult thing about facing Fantasy is that he brings so many different potential early/midgame plans to the table. In this sense you can clearly see the influence of the Boxer -> Oov -> Fantasy line. Man, why you gotta say all these smart things and then call for a ban on the guy who can't find the link? Maybe it's customisable now but the normal power rank doesn't show up on the sidebars, and if you search for the name, you find the discussion thread but not the rank itself. To that guy: www.teamliquid.net/powerrank is what you want | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On April 19 2012 08:00 Subversive wrote: Wasn't Hoejja around then too? I thought there was a third zerg option (although no more palatable than 815). Or is that just my faulty KT(F) memory? KTF zerg line circa 2009 was Luxury, 815, Firefist, Hoejja. Then Action was imported from eSTRO; then Perfective became decent/C-H was added from Stars. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On April 19 2012 12:23 Turbovolver wrote: Man, why you gotta say all these smart things and then call for a ban on the guy who can't find the link? Maybe it's customisable now but the normal power rank doesn't show up on the sidebars, and if you search for the name, you find the discussion thread but not the rank itself. To that guy: www.teamliquid.net/powerrank is what you want I didn't realize he couldn't see the rank since I couldn't imagine why he'd be here if he didn't know how to find the rank. I thought he was just being a wise-ass. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4273 Posts
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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DracoVolantus
Poland231 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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reincremate
China2210 Posts
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HopLight
Sweden999 Posts
On April 25 2012 01:46 reincremate wrote: KT Zergs are actually defilers in disguise and KT neglected to research consume until the playoffs. So thats why Perfective isn't around any more. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:11 HopLight wrote: So thats why Perfective isn't around any more. Now that's just being too noire isn't it  | ||
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