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Voted: Don't care, well because I don't care.
If I spammed my way to 9000 post I would probably say keep it the way it is. But in all honesty I would hope to see less spam if it were taken away, and more quality post in return. Join date would tell you more about the poster right off the bat. As for those people that care about post count, adding it to their profile may be a good compromise.
As stated above me, "Even though I'm a lowly 200 poster..." This statement in itself shows some validity to the fact many people take post count too seriously and may entail them to believe their knowledge means more so then someone whose been here longer but with a smaller post count. Just some food for thought.
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On June 16 2010 17:20 NET wrote:
Voted: Don't care, well because I don't care.
If I spammed my way to 9000 post I would probably say keep it the way it is. But in all honesty I would hope to see less spam if it were taken away, and more quality post in return. Join date would tell you more about the poster right off the bat. As for those people that care about post count, adding it to their profile may be a good compromise.
As stated above me, "Even though I'm a lowly 200 poster..." This statement in itself shows some validity to the fact many people take post count too seriously and may entail them to believe their knowledge means more so then someone whose been here longer but with a smaller post count. Just some food for thought.
eh, in the vast majority of cases post count is a pretty good indicator of the quality of poster the person is. This is only because there are like 039420349 retards on the internet, and retards dont last long around here thus they dont have high post counts, though there are some exceptions as some big retards here also contribute alot so they get a ton of leniency, which is overall a good system.
But join date is a pretty big factor too
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On June 16 2010 17:20 NET wrote:
Voted: Don't care, well because I don't care.
If I spammed my way to 9000 post I would probably say keep it the way it is. But in all honesty I would hope to see less spam if it were taken away, and more quality post in return. Join date would tell you more about the poster right off the bat. As for those people that care about post count, adding it to their profile may be a good compromise.
As stated above me, "Even though I'm a lowly 200 poster..." This statement in itself shows some validity to the fact many people take post count too seriously and may entail them to believe their knowledge means more so then someone whose been here longer but with a smaller post count. Just some food for thought.
says the guy with 100+ posts
On June 16 2010 17:41 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 17:20 NET wrote:
Voted: Don't care, well because I don't care.
If I spammed my way to 9000 post I would probably say keep it the way it is. But in all honesty I would hope to see less spam if it were taken away, and more quality post in return. Join date would tell you more about the poster right off the bat. As for those people that care about post count, adding it to their profile may be a good compromise.
As stated above me, "Even though I'm a lowly 200 poster..." This statement in itself shows some validity to the fact many people take post count too seriously and may entail them to believe their knowledge means more so then someone whose been here longer but with a smaller post count. Just some food for thought. eh, in the vast majority of cases post count is a pretty good indicator of the quality of poster the person is. This is only because there are like 039420349 retards on the internet, and retards dont last long around here thus they dont have high post counts, though there are some exceptions as some big retards here also contribute alot so they get a ton of leniency, which is overall a good system. But join date is a pretty big factor too
says the guy with 1500+ posts
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Keep the post count number, but remove posts from people with a lower post count than yourself. So each user only seas post from users with the same or higher post count.
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with join date + post count u can have a very good image of who is answering..
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On June 16 2010 17:20 NET wrote:
Voted: Don't care, well because I don't care.
If I spammed my way to 9000 post I would probably say keep it the way it is. But in all honesty I would hope to see less spam if it were taken away, and more quality post in return. Join date would tell you more about the poster right off the bat. As for those people that care about post count, adding it to their profile may be a good compromise.
As stated above me, "Even though I'm a lowly 200 poster..." This statement in itself shows some validity to the fact many people take post count too seriously and may entail them to believe their knowledge means more so then someone whose been here longer but with a smaller post count. Just some food for thought.
I defiantly feel the “oh your only 200< posts? Well your whole life’s experiences, thoughts, opinions, and game play mean nothing now”. And looking in this thread it looks like a LOT of other forum members feel the same(Just looking at opinions of people with 200< posts). That’s a VERY bad thing for a community website.
As you mentioned I have felt the pressure to inject myself into almost every conversation no matter how menial or useless the thought because of the whole lesser posts counts mean classing of forum members thing(but have resisted). Many of the topics I see in these forums shouldnt be 3+ pages of 1-3 sentence conversations. Makes it annoying to try and follow the whole thing if your away for a day.
I just don’t think its healthy for any forum community to have that attitude and defiantly not a welcoming attitude. Its being perpetuated by someone, and that is usually comments from the ones members look up to… admins and moderators.
I defiantly felt like it was my post count that got one of my post closed. I pured over all the other post like it that were not closed looking for differences and couldnt find any. So yes, I think the post counts have turned into a virus that is holding the TL forums back. But, if thats not the direction TL wants to go, then its not my place to demand otherwise. I can only give advice and continue enjoying debates and topics not closed in other forums.
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i post for the icon, not the number
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There are also lurkers who have been stalking TL for years, but only recently registered. So the join date isn't exactly a precise measurement.
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I get very discouraged when I see how I compare to other posters on an absolute scale. I think every user should only be shown ~100 other users' post counts that are all in the same ballpark as their own. That way I can compete with people in my own post count group and feel like I'm making real progress. Once I've gotten to the top of my 100 user group, I can then be promoted to another group of 100 users with a better unit icon.
Edit: Might as well put my serious thoughts in here... I think join date is more important than post count, but I don't really care either way; both are flawed alone and it'd be cluttered to have both together.
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On June 16 2010 22:39 Navane wrote:
Keep the post count number, but remove posts from people with a lower post count than yourself. So each user only seas post from users with the same or higher post count.
Hahahaha. I hope you're joking because this is hilariously awesome.
I'm fine with removing post count. However, I think that the icons should be kept. Icons are an indication of post count as well as join date so they provide a better estimation of who's been around for a while.
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If you make good contributions then post count won't matter. MDT, Trozz, Marcoso, milkis are all good posters with low post counts. If you are respectful, insightful and friendly you will be accepted without any discrimination. If you bust in with memes and 1-word replies and a sense of entitlement then yeah, no one will respect you.
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On June 17 2010 01:27 BajaBlood wrote:
That way I can compete with people in my own post count group and feel like I'm making real progress.
This sentence is everything that is wrong with post counts and internet forums in general. Its not a competition to see who can post the most. If your posts suck then they suck, and if they rule they rule. It doesn't matter how many of them you've made, and having post counts only encourages white noise posting and dick-waving contests.
On June 17 2010 04:42 seppolevne wrote:
If you make good contributions then post count won't matter. MDT, Trozz, Marcoso, milkis are all good posters with low post counts. If you are respectful, insightful and friendly you will be accepted without any discrimination. If you bust in with memes and 1-word replies and a sense of entitlement then yeah, no one will respect you.
So post counts matter if you don't make good contributions? Like if you only post shit but you post a ton of it its okay?
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Can't really say it matters, but high posters tend to be humorously elitist
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Don't care, I have a memory for names and usually I mentally note names of posters that usually say interesting/intelligent things vs users that usually vomit inane words. Then if Im skimming I just read or dont read based on that.
If Im not skimming I again pay no attention to post count.
So a big fat MEH from me. Voted keep as is, mine as well.
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On June 17 2010 05:34 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 01:27 BajaBlood wrote:
That way I can compete with people in my own post count group and feel like I'm making real progress. This sentence is everything that is wrong with post counts and internet forums in general. Its not a competition to see who can post the most. If your posts suck then they suck, and if they rule they rule. It doesn't matter how many of them you've made, and having post counts only encourages white noise posting and dick-waving contests. Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 04:42 seppolevne wrote:
If you make good contributions then post count won't matter. MDT, Trozz, Marcoso, milkis are all good posters with low post counts. If you are respectful, insightful and friendly you will be accepted without any discrimination. If you bust in with memes and 1-word replies and a sense of entitlement then yeah, no one will respect you. So post counts matter if you don't make good contributions? Like if you only post shit but you post a ton of it its okay?
If you only post shit, you get banned. =/ That's how it is.
And honestly, I don't know what people are talking about. I've never had the feeling that post count was so important in a conversation. It simply has never come up. Personally, I think this idea that "TL rates post count too highly" is just a preconceived notion which causes people to perceive it that way. It also makes them remember the times in which this notion is correct much more than the times in which this notion is wrong.
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On June 16 2010 22:39 Navane wrote:
Keep the post count number, but remove posts from people with a lower post count than yourself. So each user only seas post from users with the same or higher post count.
If we're not getting rid of post counts (which I favor, btw, not mainly because of elitism but because showing post counts is a twisted incentive), let's do this. It would be awesome.
I wouldn't mind join date either, even though it might introduce a subtle layer of "discrimination" because it helps us know where the poster comes from - the Boxer era? the Savior Era? the Flash era? Or perhaps the Beta era? and it helps us interpret their post accordingly. Of course someone who lurks a long time before joining will be skewed a bit, but they will be the minority.
The other idea involving showing which subforum the poster posts the most in sounds nice too.
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How about a compromise, make a "class" based on post count without displaying the actual number. Make another descriptor based on Join Date.
This is identical to the icon changing based on posts but more visible:
Example:
0-50 Posts Drone
51-100 Posts Zergling
100-500 Posts Mutalisk
501-1001 etc.
This removes the "raw" number only visible in the profile so that someone has a rough gauge of your forum experience without a number to spit out at someone.
Likewise with join date:
0-1 Months New
1-6 Months Young
6-12 Months Spirited
1-2 Years Learned
2-4 Years Wizened
5+ Years Guru
Example: I would be a Young Probe (Protoss)
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Meh doesn't matter to me, oldheads that act like that are just behaving like people they are trying to put down in doing so.
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I've always hated the post count elitism that occasionally happens on here. Post counts mean nothing. Someone just pointed out to me that I've made posts 417 times this last week. But I usually only post in LR threads with baseless one-liners and such. How often I post or total posts should have nothing to do with anything, but whatever. There are worse things, like the people who go "LOL YOU ONLY HAVE 12 POSTS I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG" thing. We should replace post counts with "Day Joined" or something for the posts. Or don't change anything at all, I guess. You can't stop rudeness completely, after all.
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On June 16 2010 17:20 NET wrote:
Voted: Don't care, well because I don't care.
If I spammed my way to 9000 post I would probably say keep it the way it is. But in all honesty I would hope to see less spam if it were taken away, and more quality post in return. Join date would tell you more about the poster right off the bat. As for those people that care about post count, adding it to their profile may be a good compromise.
As stated above me, "Even though I'm a lowly 200 poster..." This statement in itself shows some validity to the fact many people take post count too seriously and may entail them to believe their knowledge means more so then someone whose been here longer but with a smaller post count. Just some food for thought.
Your points are good, but I still think post count is a better indicator of how much a person spends on this site. Someone may have joined years ago yet only browse TL every few months or so. The fact that he or she is posting, even if its to say baseless one liners, is a good indication that he is reading threads and perusing the site. I've also noticed that, in general, people with higher post counts tend to be more respectful and thoughtful in their posts. There's always posters like Raithed that spam their way to 5k+ posts but we have mods for a reason.
Nearly 6 years ago, Mensrea made ten commandments for TL to follow. #6 was to respect forum veterans.
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