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On November 04 2009 12:07 Magic84 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 11:08 Hinanawi wrote:On November 04 2009 09:11 AzureEye wrote:On November 04 2009 07:03 Orbifold wrote:
Why does everyone assume that Hyuk's ZvT still sucks?
He has not played much lately, and it seems more that his ZvZ and ZvP would drastically totally separately from he ZvT. Every Zerg's ZvT is worse than his ZvP and ZvZ while every Terran's TvZ is better than his TvP or TvT. Do you know why? + Show Spoiler + Until recently, Flash's TvZ was by far his weakest matchup. He had something like 68% in TvT, 68% in TvP, and only 62% in TvZ. Anyway, if TvZ was really that imba, Terrans would be flourishing in this Zerg era, not be getting picked off left and right. That is the reason i really admire Flash. Lately though he's been raping zergs in a brutal way and there was seemingly nothing zergs could do, duh.
Let me take you back to a wonderful time called "early 2008." Protoss were winning every which way. PvPs galore. Flash was a mysterious wonderkid who skyrocketed onto the scene like some sort of celestial ejaculate, tearing apart everyone and having an abusrd winrate. Now, Flash has always had an absurd winrate, but he's always had one match people said was his 'weakest,' if only because he wasn't so dominate in it.
Before GSI and Bacchus, that was vP. Now, his vP was still amazing, but most of his losses came from the likes of Stork and the occasional other protoss. Then, out of nowhere, Flash came up with a series of crazy builds and completely dismantled the PvT metagame, right in the height of protoss supremacy.
It may be a little early to call, but I think Flash is doing EXACTLY what he did last time, only this time in vZ. He dropped out of leagues to zergs last season, had his winrate vZ demolished, and it's the best time in history to be a zerg, considering maps and overall skill level. It seems kind of weird, but Flash seems to thrive when other races are in their golden age.
YES I KNOW I TALK ABOUT FLASH TOO MUCH BUT GOD IT'S GOOD TO SEE HIM OWNING SHIT.
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On November 04 2009 14:23 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I can count...han, Movie. Yep. and maybe...? BeSt (lol, jk)
Free as well.
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+ Show Spoiler +Let me take you back to a wonderful time called "early 2008." Protoss were winning every which way. PvPs galore. Flash was a mysterious wonderkid who skyrocketed onto the scene like some sort of celestial ejaculate, tearing apart everyone and having an abusrd winrate. Now, Flash has always had an absurd winrate, but he's always had one match people said was his 'weakest,' if only because he wasn't so dominate in it.
Before GSI and Bacchus, that was vP. Now, his vP was still amazing, but most of his losses came from the likes of Stork and the occasional other protoss. Then, out of nowhere, Flash came up with a series of crazy builds and completely dismantled the PvT metagame, right in the height of protoss supremacy.
It may be a little early to call, but I think Flash is doing EXACTLY what he did last time, only this time in vZ. He dropped out of leagues to zergs last season, had his winrate vZ demolished, and it's the best time in history to be a zerg, considering maps and overall skill level. It seems kind of weird, but Flash seems to thrive when other races are in their golden age.
YES I KNOW I TALK ABOUT FLASH TOO MUCH BUT GOD IT'S GOOD TO SEE HIM OWNING SHIT
Nice post!
It's amazing how everyone calls Flash boring, when he does such amazing things you don't see behind the scenes. Yet, because he didn't invent a build that uses mass Ghosts, he is boring and unrevolutionary.
Aside from that, the one thing I really love about Flash is the breathtaking defense and resiliency he has. It's always so suspenseful to me, but I know other people find this boring. Like vs Jangbi on Blue Storm and the mass recalls back when Jangbi didn't suck a nut and was probably the 1 or 2 best vT in the world. Just epic. Just watching how Flash places turrets is fucking entertaining.
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HerO's name came up twice in the PR; with FlaSh and Movie. HerO seems to not be doing so well, right now. Kal is so inconsistent, can't expect him to do anything much anymore. Shine[kal] is being way too overhyped. Sure, he beat Bisu and had a good game against Violet, but Bisu never really got very far in OSL's and usually, just went far in the MSL's. And Violet isn't exactly the greatest player in the world; if Violet was considered a A class pro, then Shine would be on that level. In my opinion, I think Sea should have gotten a spot in 6-10, rather than Shine in the 8th spot.
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I don't think someone who dropped both leagues in prelims should get on the rank unless there's some massive gap in people deserving. He performed admirably in PL, but it's the same deal as Jaedong retaining a highplace despite a mediocre month -- He has a history of snapping back and being amazing, whereas Sea has a history of doing well in PL and only PL everytime, and even then it's not like he's the best player in PL -- not by a longshot.
Shine qualified into both leagues with gusto, playing top tier opponents from start to finish. He's done his share of proleague on top of that. He's really emerged to fill a high A rank zerg spot -- one of the many that were around the past couple of seasons before Kwanro, Yarnc and Luxury began to slump.
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On November 05 2009 11:20 SynC[gm] wrote:
HerO's name came up twice in the PR; with FlaSh and Movie. HerO seems to not be doing so well, right now. Kal is so inconsistent, can't expect him to do anything much anymore. Shine[kal] is being way too overhyped. Sure, he beat Bisu and had a good game against Violet, but Bisu never really got very far in OSL's and usually, just went far in the MSL's. And Violet isn't exactly the greatest player in the world; if Violet was considered a A class pro, then Shine would be on that level. In my opinion, I think Sea should have gotten a spot in 6-10, rather than Shine in the 8th spot.
You make it sound like the OSL has some magical aura that prevents only Bisu from winning.
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Yo, instead of name dropping, let's watch the games. Shine is playing better than Sea. Overall.
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On November 06 2009 02:42 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2009 11:20 SynC[gm] wrote:
HerO's name came up twice in the PR; with FlaSh and Movie. HerO seems to not be doing so well, right now. Kal is so inconsistent, can't expect him to do anything much anymore. Shine[kal] is being way too overhyped. Sure, he beat Bisu and had a good game against Violet, but Bisu never really got very far in OSL's and usually, just went far in the MSL's. And Violet isn't exactly the greatest player in the world; if Violet was considered a A class pro, then Shine would be on that level. In my opinion, I think Sea should have gotten a spot in 6-10, rather than Shine in the 8th spot. You make it sound like the OSL has some magical aura that prevents only Bisu from winning.
It prevented Savior from even qualifying for it for the longest time also despite him being soooo far ahead of everyone else in his time. Seriously that tournament got some bad voodoo to it. (Winners curse etc)
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Obviously not, what with Jaedong, July and Nada.
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Man, Ruby is on fire lately. I really hope he can keep it up so we get to see an ACE player on PR. That would be so sweet.
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On November 06 2009 19:30 Holgerius wrote:
Man, Ruby is on fire lately. I really hope he can keep it up so we get to see an ACE player on PR. That would be so sweet.
this. if go.go wasnt such a baller Ruby would also be in the OSL
think about it...
took down Skyhigh, Pure, RoRO, Yarnc, Hwasin and Hiya
... at LEAST CNBC no?
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On November 04 2009 11:08 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 09:11 AzureEye wrote:On November 04 2009 07:03 Orbifold wrote:
Why does everyone assume that Hyuk's ZvT still sucks?
He has not played much lately, and it seems more that his ZvZ and ZvP would drastically totally separately from he ZvT. Every Zerg's ZvT is worse than his ZvP and ZvZ while every Terran's TvZ is better than his TvP or TvT. Do you know why? + Show Spoiler + Until recently, Flash's TvZ was by far his weakest matchup. He had something like 68% in TvT, 68% in TvP, a nd only 62% in TvZ.Anyway, if TvZ was really that imba, Terrans would be flourishing in this Zerg era, not be getting picked off left and right.
I like this sentence
ONLY 62%... as if 62% is a low win rate or something. Yes vZ was probably Flash's weakest matchup until recently because I mean god... it was actually human and merely "normal" S-class.
Flash always performs his best when the odds are totally stacked against him. See his Medusa/Katrina vP records for proof.
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I always like to see a KT Player on the top...
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Jaedong...
+ Show Spoiler +Many of you are too swift in judging the best players. If this was resultbased only he would drop more spots, but if the PR is about who is the best player right now Jaedong should still be up there. He had a few losses, but now he's back again like he always is.
2 consecutive OSL wins, amazing pro-league record, bonjwastatus on the kespa ranking and he drops 2 games in the pro-league to zergs and suddenly you want to put him low on the PR.
riptide knows what he's doing.
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3 games to zergs, to be fair.
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On November 07 2009 17:41 StylishVODs wrote:Jaedong... + Show Spoiler +Many of you are too swift in judging the best players. If this was resultbased only he would drop more spots, but if the PR is about who is the best player right now Jaedong should still be up there. He had a few losses, but now he's back again like he always is.
2 consecutive OSL wins, amazing pro-league record, bonjwastatus on the kespa ranking and he drops 2 games in the pro-league to zergs and suddenly you want to put him low on the PR.
riptide knows what he's doing.
Then why when flash droped like 4 games was he pushed OUT of the power rank, if it happened to flash it should happen to jaedong
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Because JWD is weird. Riptide is not JWD.
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On November 08 2009 13:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Because JWD is weird. Riptide is not JWD.
*sigh* Seriously?
On another note... + Show Spoiler +*cough*  EffOrt *cough* Also, Shine lost to Kwanro, it is my great hope that we never seen Shine in the PR again.
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On November 08 2009 13:24 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 17:41 StylishVODs wrote:Jaedong... + Show Spoiler +Many of you are too swift in judging the best players. If this was resultbased only he would drop more spots, but if the PR is about who is the best player right now Jaedong should still be up there. He had a few losses, but now he's back again like he always is.
2 consecutive OSL wins, amazing pro-league record, bonjwastatus on the kespa ranking and he drops 2 games in the pro-league to zergs and suddenly you want to put him low on the PR.
riptide knows what he's doing. Then why when flash droped like 4 games was he pushed OUT of the power rank, if it happened to flash it should happen to jaedong
Very bad example, Flash was once dealt too severly and like 3-4 times left in a higher position than he should have been because of his name. But ppl tend to forget that. I'm okay actually with good players dropping the ranks slower, and bad players climbing them harder, regardless of stats.
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