EPTPower Rank 11/01/2009 - Page 10
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33075 Posts
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cokencheese
Philippines748 Posts
I don't think there would even be an issue here if Oz let JD play their Ace matches for them. Goddamn Killer. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On November 03 2009 12:26 Waxangel wrote: the main problem with giving a player credit for their past performances is that skill decay over time cannot be predicted and measured by any reliable standard -- so people determine it almost entirely subjectively This is why jaedong in second place is just unreasonable. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
Altogether, that's an entire quarter where Calm has been at least as good as JD at all times, and often (especially recently), better. When you look at it this way, it's pretty clear how the rankings should unfold. There is very little reason to rank JD above Calm at this moment, even if Calm has had a few shaky wins - JD has had shaky losses, after all. I think ranking JD below #3 would be a farce, but ranking him above that when he has not really shown any dominance whatsoever this season is somewhat dishonest. | ||
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kvilx
Poland198 Posts
For me: 1.  Flash2.  Calm3.  Stork4. Jaedong5. Bisu6. Hyuk7. Shine8. fantasy9. EffOrt10. PusanEDIT: And Luxury deserves nothing but NCNC, his games in OSL & MSL were horrible. | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On November 03 2009 16:46 kvilx wrote: If this is Power Rank based on MONTHLY performance, then I'dont get Jaedong sitting over Calm, and Hyuk placed below both Effort and Fantasy. BO losses DOES matter, especially in JD's case, when he was schooled by Hyuk himself in PL Finals why not to go 12 Hatch against average Zergs. And Hyuk won straight-up with both Jaedong and Effort, while Fantasy really did nothing special (he even lost to UpMagic, AFAIK). The PR writer changed again recently and it's top 10 best players right now with big emphasis on starleagues, not top 10 players who were doing well last month. Elo is already a decent rank based on recent performances, although you can't see how many places players rose/fell during a monthly period. JWD was doing well with his thing, especially with all the details and youtube links, but it is a bit different now. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33075 Posts
On November 03 2009 16:09 MuffinDude wrote: This is why jaedong in second place is just unreasonable. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm not saying it's wrong either. I guess I'm just saying it's hard to decide  | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On November 03 2009 13:57 cokencheese wrote: When I think about JD's October performance my mind goes to how effortlessly he destroyed Kal in his only non-ZvZ matchup so far. As for his other matches, I believe any other Zerg would've also had a good chance of losing the ZvZs JD lost due to the nature of the matchup. Just because JD had a few uncharacteristic losses in the most unforgiving matchup in the game doesn't mean that Calm has suddenly become scarier than him. Calm lost to RoRo in an ace too, you know. I don't think there would even be an issue here if Oz let JD play their Ace matches for them. Goddamn Killer. You are forgeting that Jaedong was a god ZvZ to the point people joked about JvZ. Last month he was shown to be very much mortal. Where before he had won 12 hatch vs 9 pool, he lost vs 815. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On November 03 2009 09:08 dannyd102 wrote: After reading the PR and all the posts, I can say for sure that this is one of the most disputed PRs since now. And probably there is something wrong with this PR if so many people can't agree with it. First of all, I think that the PR was meant to be a list of the best performing players over the last month, not over the last 2 or 3 months and not in the next 2 or 3 months. So, if I am right, it means that JD being placed at second place is completely wrong (I will not argue with the other positions, since this one is the most out of place according to the below criteria). Regardless of which approach you will chose: results , number of matches, game consistency, quality of the played games, you can't get JD on 2nd place for the month of October. Maybe he will be on 2nd place or even on the 1st place in November, but October was a bad month for JD when you compare his achievements to other players that are ranked bellow him. I can accept that this was a mistake that the author made for and unknown reason, but with PRs like this particular one, the value and relevance of the PR will decrease. There was a time when we used to report the value and "power" of a player to the PR instead of the KESPA ranking, I think that this will not be valid anymore with PRs like this. So, please take in consideration the facts when writing the future PRs and not some speculations or the glorious past of some of the players. Anyway, I would like to thank you for the effort of maintaining the PR (even if sometimes creates such a big debate). PR is not 100% about monthly performance. It is a combination of that plus the overall skill of the players. Recent performance of a few games =/= Overall skill. Lets say Flash lost 2 games to cheese this week. Would you consider his skill any less than what you consider now? Nope HOW a person loses and what opponents he faces, combined with MU, event, all factor in. For JD's case, it was ZvZ (luck based MU) with couple of BO losses. I see JD in Top 3 perfectly reasonable. Personally I would have ranked Calm #2 Jaedong #3 but its not that much different. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13911 Posts
On November 04 2009 03:02 ghostWriter wrote: Well, Jaedong did lose to hyuk while doing the same build order. Even if the matchup has a lot to do with luck, it was a skill game that he lost. hyuk needs to improve his zvt quite a bit before he should be above top 5 | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On November 04 2009 03:40 StorrZerg wrote: hyuk needs to improve his zvt quite a bit before he should be above top 5 His ZvT.....is SKT Zerg Style. =O | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
he's gonna rape Flash in the SKT vs KT game just watch | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On November 04 2009 05:34 DreaM)XeRO wrote: he's gonna rape Flash in the SKT vs KT game just watch Strongest TvZ in the world... vs someone above average... Wow, blind fanboyism much? Flash has allways been consistently good since his peak with only dropping. Hyuk only showed average - and i say average - zvp and very good zvz (I'll give you that). But he ain't gonna beat Leta / Flash / Fantasy at his present condition unless shown better. | ||
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