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ggfobster
Profile Joined April 2007
United States298 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 20:45:15
February 24 2010 20:43 GMT
#81
Not having chat rooms is a horrible idea, whoever thought that one up should be fired from Blizzard asap. Trying to make it more like Steam and less like Battle.net is a bad change, imo.

Also no online replays.... seriously Blizzard.... whoever thought that one up should be fired and made to slit their wrists.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
February 24 2010 20:44 GMT
#82
On February 25 2010 05:41 Tom Phoenix wrote:
I am also incredibly saddened by the fact that the ability to watch replays online is currently not planned for ship. Half of the enjoyment of Brood War for me was watching replays with other people. I just hope they plan to put them in as soon as possible.

Yeah, but it's also very important from a standpoint of learning/teaching. It's obviously fun/entertaining to watch reps together online though.

I'm trying to imagine incontrol giving sc2 lessons without the ability to go over replays... not impossible but probably sucks.
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Nottoway
Profile Joined August 2009
United States15 Posts
February 24 2010 20:44 GMT
#83
"The options for observers, referees and so on are solid, but once you have created a game you are unable to switch map. This is quite puzzling, at the very least you should be able to switch map in private games, while still in the game lobby."


Wait, where is the option to open observer slots?
Limz
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3 Posts
February 24 2010 20:47 GMT
#84
The social button is disabled, perhaps that is where the chat function is?
Fugazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland5 Posts
February 24 2010 20:49 GMT
#85
On February 25 2010 05:47 Limz wrote:
The social button is disabled, perhaps that is where the chat function is?

Was about to post same thing, I can't believe so many people didn't saw that.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
February 24 2010 20:56 GMT
#86
These are some pretty basic problems you're pointing out. They sound pretty annoying partly because they could so simply be fixed. Hope they get around to it...
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 21:05:52
February 24 2010 20:59 GMT
#87
On February 25 2010 02:39 zeppelin wrote:
good writeup FA - one more thing about replays that I would add (which I would assume or at least hope is coming) is a bwchart-like view of the game before you even select the replay. Right now all you see is the players and the map. Why not show before you even loaded the game all the unit/building/resource/economy/apm stats like bwchart? Why not show you your overall player stats like average apm, # of games against each matchup, your most common builds, etc. like bwchart?

+ Ability to search for players/maps/races in your replay database. This is huge, as sorting through your named-only-after-date auto-save folder is a pain.

On February 25 2010 02:44 valleyatsc wrote:
lol! go play the game! go play for free man! YOU PLAY FOR FREE and i cant play at all! so wait for fucking release with social complain

Yes, let's wait for the release to make any changes, so everybody can suffer from it.......... Right.

The point of a beta is to improve the game. Fixing these issues would improve the game.

On February 25 2010 02:45 Piousflea wrote:
I don't mind the lack of chat channels as long as they let us create private chatrooms and invite friends and "recently played" players. After all, Xbox Live does not have chat channels and it's a perfectly viable social network.

On the other hand, the lack of online replays is flabbergasting. Anyone who's played Halo 3 can tell you that replays are way more fun to watch together.

It only lets you invite people on your f list. It does not let you create private persistent chat rooms, but you can create group conversations like on MSN - these are dissolved as soon as you log-off.

And no, saying "It worked for Xbox live" does not fly - it's still a huge omission, and a huge flaw. It's like, just because something flawed works, does not mean it's good, right?

I'm pretty sure the first ever Ford didn't have heating or AC, but if they were to release a new car today and said "Fuck it, ol T' (aka the first Ford from like 1908) didn't have no god damn AC and it did alright", people would be furious.

Especially when battle.net 1 has all these features ;/
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 24 2010 21:01 GMT
#88
agree 100% with OP

outstanding points.
After7days
Profile Joined December 2009
Denmark52 Posts
February 24 2010 21:02 GMT
#89
Good read, and i hope blizzard responds with adding lobby or something similar/better.
I like lots of the new features, just see no points in removing all that was good in bnet 1.0

ps. maybe the new lobby or something, just wasnt rdy for beta?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 24 2010 21:06 GMT
#90
On February 25 2010 03:02 cbpye wrote:
Awesome, my website got quoted and linked! Pity I couldn't get in the beta to bitch about this myself.

I couldn't have said it better myself if I tried, nice to see you here
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 21:18:05
February 24 2010 21:11 GMT
#91
On February 25 2010 03:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
The other thing that I would like to see is the ranking of your opponent in the game loading screen. Sure the favored/not favored tracker at the bottom helps, but i think it would be fun to know exactly who you were facing, without having to ask.

I agree completely, I'd really like to see the points @ the loading screen. I'd also like to see player names + player points at the replay loading screen. That way, if someone picked random you'd know. I thought this was a nice feature in WC3... Too bad they didn't keep it.
On February 25 2010 03:27 Dr.Frost wrote:
@the original poster. I agree with everything. One thing though you CAN reply to a private msgs in. Game very simply. Press eneter to type and press tab to cycle through recent people you've communicated with. Anyone who has an open conversation with you while Your in a game can be responded to by just hitting the tab key after pressing enter to change the recipient.

Nice to know! Can you tab to people you haven't recently talked to as well? Like if a new person comes online and you wanna say something? I guess I can try this later but

On February 25 2010 03:51 RANDOMCL wrote:
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On February 25 2010 02:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On February 25 2010 01:53 RANDOMCL wrote:
Uh, yeah, I think it is common sense that chat channels will be implemented. I'm confused as to why this is such a big issue at the moment. Obviously, they aren't going to release a game without them.

You realize, of course, that they said at Blizzcon that there would be no chat channels for the game at launch? Like, they said literally just that. I even linked to a post about it.

.


You make it sound like you're the only one following the game. Your post links to information saying that the traditional chat channels won't be there, but:

"Because we have something much bigger planned, chat channels are messy".

It is common sense that there is going to a way to mass communicate with people. Maybe it won't be called a "channel", but it is ridiculous to think they won't allow players to communicate with ease.

You are going off what Blizzard says as fact, right? "You realize, of course, that they said at Blizzcon that there would be no chat channels for the game at launch?" So, you managed to take half of what they said, and misconstrue it. You are part of the reason people are getting so much false information. If such an article, loaded with misinformation, is allowed to be posted on the front page of the premier foreign SC site, what does that say?

Just stop, breathe, and think. Blizzard has already promised an alternative. It is confirmed in your own post.

Let me bold the relevant (to me) point for you:
NOT AT LAUNCH

I'm sorry, but it's not acceptable to buy a game in 2010 and have its online service be inferior to a game released in 1998... Especially when the community has been basically screaming at them to include online replays and chat channels since they announced the game (actually that's not true, in 2007 there were topics about online replays and people said "lol of coures they are gonna be included, are you serious? hahaha", and there were no topics about not having chat channels because....... who the fuck would have even considered that?).

On February 25 2010 04:10 djWHEAT wrote:
*CLAP* Not much that can be added. I really hope many of the missing features are due to this being a BETA. One of my biggest complaints is when I goto my friends list (under ladders) and say I want more information on "Player X"... when I click his/her name there's no logical way to go back. Which means you have to repeat the process all over again (similar to what you mentioned about a lack of whisper).

And what's with the gimped Friends List? How can it be that when I add someone it doesn't notify them that I'd like to add them.

Yes! This is soooo annoying, I was trying to look at Raven's build orders used in his latest games (that's a nice feature btw, just go to profile->match history->click and you can see the first 5 minutes for each player), and everytime I had clicked one game... I had to repeat the process (click my ladder button, click raven's profile).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
February 24 2010 21:12 GMT
#92
Not really much else to say but that I agree completely. I kinda get the feeling that Blizzard became so utterly confident in their new features that they felt that they didn't need the basics anymore. Whatever the case, the fact that chat channels had flaws is no reason to remove it completely, and I'd much rather have flawed chat channels than no channels at all. Let's hope Blizzard realizes this before release.
ToeJam
Profile Joined April 2009
United States282 Posts
February 24 2010 21:15 GMT
#93
Very well said. I hope Blizzard lurks the TL forums and spots this one Information on TL SC2 section >>> battle.net SC2 forums. I hope they realize this xD
Zed03
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada112 Posts
February 24 2010 21:16 GMT
#94
Hello,

I just wanted to mention that reversing of the battle.net.dll over at http://botdev.org/doku.php has already revealed that there will be chat channels, and other social features, all available under the 'social' menu, which is currently disabled.

However, the OP's review is still 100% correct about the current state of battle.net, I just wouldn't get all worked up about it because those features will be there in the near future.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 24 2010 21:17 GMT
#95
On February 25 2010 06:15 ToeJam wrote:
Very well said. I hope Blizzard lurks the TL forums and spots this one Information on TL SC2 section >>> battle.net SC2 forums. I hope they realize this xD

They do! and they post here sometimes as well
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alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
February 24 2010 21:18 GMT
#96
I actually say "gl hf" in game everytime now cause my NEEDS are not being met! Chat channel plz.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 21:18:53
February 24 2010 21:18 GMT
#97
On February 25 2010 06:16 Zed03 wrote:
Hello,

I just wanted to mention that reversing of the battle.net.dll over at http://botdev.org/doku.php has already revealed that there will be chat channels, and other social features, all available under the 'social' menu, which is currently disabled.

However, the OP's review is still 100% correct about the current state of battle.net, I just wouldn't get all worked up about it because those features will be there in the near future.

Thank god. I guess that means they changed their mind about not having chat channels at release?

Is there anything about online replay watchability?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 24 2010 21:20 GMT
#98
On February 25 2010 05:24 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Wow, the OP is so negative towards blizzards ability, or will, to fix these issues, that it is ridiculous. They have pulled through on so many issues, why would they not do this on e.g. the missing global chat.

I mean, do you really, really believe there won't be a global chat thing? Do you really believe blizzard are not currently working on it and that it has therefore not been released yet. Like they want you to be lonely.

It is fine to discuss things that are missing and there are good points, but the OP is just so negative it takes away all focus from the issues at hand.

This, basically:
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On February 25 2010 05:13 funkiwi wrote:
Read is ok ...

But all the features are in the first beta version not implemented ... Chatrooms are comming and I think the customt games will be better in the future ...

imo an useless news


Maybe you could have read the disclaimer posted right at the beginning of the post?

Disclaimer: This post is going to be fairly critical, and so I want people to keep in mind that Battle.net 2.0 is currently in Beta, it's not just the game that is being tested. Many features are still locked or not fully available, so please keep that in mind.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
February 24 2010 21:21 GMT
#99
On February 25 2010 06:16 Zed03 wrote:
Hello,

I just wanted to mention that reversing of the battle.net.dll over at http://botdev.org/doku.php has already revealed that there will be chat channels, and other social features, all available under the 'social' menu, which is currently disabled.

However, the OP's review is still 100% correct about the current state of battle.net, I just wouldn't get all worked up about it because those features will be there in the near future.

what other social features, could you please tell us?
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Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
February 24 2010 21:22 GMT
#100
As retarded as it is, I could live without channels, but getting on BW and watching reps with friends probably consumed as much time for me as playing games did. I remember starting to play some WC3 after playing BW and the single worst thing about it is when your friend tells you about this amazing or ridiculous win he did with some absurd strategy, having to have him MSN the replay to you. It's utterly retarded.

I don't understand why they didn't just use BW features as a baseline and work from there. There is a reason everyone who ever used it thinks bnet is amazing.
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