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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 25 2010 03:51 RANDOMCL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2010 02:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 25 2010 01:53 RANDOMCL wrote:
Uh, yeah, I think it is common sense that chat channels will be implemented. I'm confused as to why this is such a big issue at the moment. Obviously, they aren't going to release a game without them. You realize, of course, that they said at Blizzcon that there would be no chat channels for the game at launch? Like, they said literally just that. I even linked to a post about it. . You make it sound like you're the only one following the game. Your post links to information saying that the traditional chat channels won't be there, but: "Because we have something much bigger planned, chat channels are messy". It is common sense that there is going to a way to mass communicate with people. Maybe it won't be called a "channel", but it is ridiculous to think they won't allow players to communicate with ease. You are going off what Blizzard says as fact, right? "You realize, of course, that they said at Blizzcon that there would be no chat channels for the game at launch?" So, you managed to take half of what they said, and misconstrue it. You are part of the reason people are getting so much false information. If such an article, loaded with misinformation, is allowed to be posted on the front page of the premier foreign SC site, what does that say? Just stop, breathe, and think. Blizzard has already promised an alternative. It is confirmed in your own post. I'm sorry but FA is voicing some pretty serious concerns. I don't care what blizzard has planned, I'm only concerned with what they are showing us at the moment. Look at WC3 for instance, they still don't have communal replays - despite it being planned! I don't see any misinformation in FA's post, he's simply pointing out the flaws of what has been presented with us. With the vast number of users on this forum agreeing with the concerns raised, I would wager that these concerns are definitely valid and important.
Basically, until I see this "better than chat channels" alternative there is no reason for me to beleive that we are going to see anything.
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No chat channels makes me a sad panda.
I actually formed a years long friendship from a sc1 chat channel. Considering none of my friends are into rts's anymore I would look forward to finding a few cool people into the same thing by hanging in a channel.
To be honest if they don't implement a chat channel I can't see playing this game more than 6 months to a year. Playing random people and laddering is all well and good but its very hard to casually stick to a game much longer when the social aspect of it is so entirely lacking.
Honestly I can't understand why blizz would not want chat channels in b.net it makes no sense. People that want to randomly socialize will use them, people that don't wont. Does excluding a chat aspect have an upside worth alienating the nerds that like to chat and set up fun observer games between each other while taking a break from the ladder?
I can't think of any "upside" to this decision.
Also not having basic commands like /r+tab to quickly cycle through the last few whisper recipients just seems like so much fail. The company wants to make b.net a huge social networking thing with an easy lead in to e-sports and they forget to put in some fundamental chat commands? hah Im sure it will be fixed but its humorous seeing such basic things missing at this point. Maybe they should pull in a few wow programmers to implement what is basically a requirement for any social gaming environment ie smooth social interaction tools.
Your article hits the nail on the head imo.
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I totally agree on all aspects of this article. The social part of battle.net 1 was amazing, where battle.net 2 sounds like... almost isolation... and that's no good for me.
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*CLAP* Not much that can be added. I really hope many of the missing features are due to this being a BETA. One of my biggest complaints is when I goto my friends list (under ladders) and say I want more information on "Player X"... when I click his/her name there's no logical way to go back. Which means you have to repeat the process all over again (similar to what you mentioned about a lack of whisper).
And what's with the gimped Friends List? How can it be that when I add someone it doesn't notify them that I'd like to add them.
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No chat lobby?
No collective replay watching?
wtf?
srsly wtf?
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what also bothers me it that there hasnt even been a SINGLE blue post in neither the Bug report, nor the Suggestions/Balance forum. They could at least post their plans on how to communicate with the testers.
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Man, Blizzard should be ADDING features, like streaming games like reps like they do on iCCup, not removing them.
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I didn't realize these huge faults.
I'm not going to provide the classic ultimatum of; 'I refuse to buy the game if chat rooms and online replays aren't in the retail release!!!!!". However, I view this decision by Blizzard as gross negligence. How can they build requirements for Bnet 2.0 and NOT include chat rooms? Did the people building Bnet 2.0 even use the original? Did they talk to their user base? I guess operating assumptions are that brand loyalty overpowers usability testing. Fucking cute, you going to give us some Ubisoft DRM with SC2 as well? Oh wait...
Perhaps I'm blowing everything out of proportion, but this is absurd to me. New Bnet 2.0 is so shiny and pretty, hurray! Broodwar's user base has continuously played the game for over a decade, do you honestly think we give a fuck about graphics? Functionality should have been concern #1.
With the exception of Steam I have yet to find a gaming network (Games for Windows Life, Rockstar Social Network, etc) that trumps Bnet 1.0. If this keeps up looks like I can add Bnet 2.0 to the Games for Windows Live group; bloated, worthless, obnoxious pieces of trash that a 14 year old gamer (quite literally) could have done a better job writing product requirements for.
Wow, didn't realize how angry I was about this until I started typing. I really hope I have to eat my words.
TLDR: Dear Blizzard please don't remove existing functionality while updating battle.net.
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Blizzard has taken a Google approach. The difference is that they failed at it. To me, it's just web cloud bullshit.
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Thanks for the update. Really disappointed about no chat rooms, but I really like the accurate matchmaking though.
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Read is ok ...
But all the features are in the first beta version not implemented ... Chatrooms are comming and I think the customt games will be better in the future ...
imo an useless news
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It also needs an inbuilt WaaaaaghTV.
Why can we chat over encoded video streams, but not have it in the actual game itself???
This was something I was really hoping for.
I suppose this could hit 2 birds with one stone as you could also use it for online replays.
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Wow, the OP is so negative towards blizzards ability, or will, to fix these issues, that it is ridiculous. They have pulled through on so many issues, why would they not do this on e.g. the missing global chat.
I mean, do you really, really believe there won't be a global chat thing? Do you really believe blizzard are not currently working on it and that it has therefore not been released yet. Like they want you to be lonely.
It is fine to discuss things that are missing and there are good points, but the OP is just so negative it takes away all focus from the issues at hand.
This, basically:
On February 25 2010 05:13 funkiwi wrote:
Read is ok ...
But all the features are in the first beta version not implemented ... Chatrooms are comming and I think the customt games will be better in the future ...
imo an useless news
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I highly doubt they will add a race picking feature, but if they did I would probably play all of the mirrors. I've always been very good at mirrors and slightly less so at TvP and ZvT.
As far as "rankings" go I think it's worth pointing out that the ladders hosted by a game company have NEVER been an accurate reading of skill in the community. I finished 7th in season 2 of vanilla ladder and if you were around back then you know how tough it was to sit in the top 10 because probably 80 of the top 100 were win swapping or padding their stats by playing only noobs. Sure they banned 'some' of them, but lots of names that should have been banned weren't. I think we will still need some form of private ladder to be honest because there's no way blizzard will maintain it as well as the community will.
My only gripe is that i can't watch reps with friends... This was a huge part of SC1 for me. Any time someone would have a realyl good game or had a problem we would pile into a game and watch the rep and have fun or give advice... huge part of my SC1 experience right there and that sucks I can't do that in SC2 (yet)
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On February 25 2010 03:07 beetlelisk wrote:Don't dissapoint us...
Oh my god, his eye is possessed.
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I think the reason Blizzard did not release their new chat/social features is because these types of places are a breeding ground for unconstructive criticism. Imagine a central channel like WoW's general chat in the SC2 beta, everyone would be YELLING this is OP and that build is OP etc. Places like Team Liquid, the beta's feedback and forum are much better for collecting well constructed feedback and do not create the unmoderated atomosphere for negetivity that chat rooms and global chats do.
I also believe the communal replay watching feature will be in the game at release. Perhaps they have included a host of new features in the program that will easily enable replay sharing/casting etc and just being able to watch the replays with others is a small part of the overall picture.
Right now they are working on server stability, balance issues etc, the core of the game. You have to remember the game has been live a week now and as far as Blizzard is concerned they only need certain data right now.
Also, I seem to remember a certain MMO that had all their communitcation functions disabled for beta except guild chat.
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United States24800 Posts
In addition to what FA said, and it might have already been pointed out previously, the map opt-out feature seems to not work... someone else and I both opted out of desert oasis because it sucks and it gave it to us anyway!?
Also, one slight bug/error/whatever is that the stats sometimes take like 20 seconds to update and it says you have no 1v1 history after you are in a division already :p
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IMO, maybe they are kept out because it is a testing phase and blizz doesn't want us to sit around in chat and not testing  , just like most people do in SC and WC3
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I absolutely agree with everything that was said. Out of everything I experienced in the beta so far, the new Battle.net is by far the most dissapointing thing. It is just such a cold and isolated experience. Even though people hardly spoke in the old Battle.net and ICCup, at least it gave you a feeling that you were online with thousands of other players. That said, while I do want chat channels to return, I do agree with Blizzard that they could be improved upon.
I am also incredibly saddened by the fact that the ability to watch replays online is currently not planned for ship. Half of the enjoyment of Brood War for me was watching replays with other people.  I just hope they plan to put them in as soon as possible.
Also, while the AMM is good, I was hoping for an ability to limit my opponents to a specific race so that I can practice a specific matchup. Unfortunately, though, that is unlikely to happen.
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