EPT[SC2B] Battle.net - 1 Step Forward, 2.0 Steps Back - Page 9
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 26 2010 00:09 lipebra wrote: Chat Channels= Cant u guys read?? There ll be chat channels at release. We only know this because someone hacked the game. Previously they had said there wouldn't be. Not my fault they changed their mind, but I'm glad they did. Whisper Commands= There ll be at realease Says who? On-line Group Replay Viewing= There ll be but later There MIGHT be later. Wc3 is 8 years later and still doesn't have it. Simpler Logging In=Not gonna have, because they dont want to..... OK here is how it works now: Enter email, click connect. Enter password, click connect. I could just enter email AND password and click connect, it'd save me an entire screen. Off-line Messaging(or in-game mail'esqe system)= How to send a offline message if the game is 100% online??/ There ll be ingame messanger system Because I'm not going to be online 24/7? An offline message just means he can send something to me and I'll get it the next time I login. Game Preferences Matchmaking (TvP, TvZ, etc)= U cant use this on ranked maches... and we ll now why.... U can choose in custom maches No, you don't know what I'm even talking about. I'm not suggesting you pick your opponents race, I'm suggesting you select one race for each matchup you want to play. Opponent is zerg? Okay, I want to play Terran. Opponent is Protoss? Okay, I want to play Terran. Opponent is Terran? Okay, I want to play Protoss. Opponent is Random? Okay, I want to play Random. Opponent plays incomaptible matchups? I play my vs Random selection. League Details= There ll be at release. Yeah, I agree. Overall League Placement = Dont know, but there ll be final league tornament to see who is the best Yeah, but that's only fun at the end of the season ;/ Replay Filters/Sort Columns= dont know Game Creator Name/Ping etc=dont know Switch Map in Private Games=dont know Password Protected Games= Sure there ll be some sort of it 5 Second Countdown Timer= Only good point. It funny to analyse the game that is in beta, Because most of features isnt usable. If those things dont ship, u can complain, but now...... Lol. "Only good point". There is no point in waiting for the full game to release and start complaining, that's like saying "Don't comment on balance!! Wait for the full game, this is just a beta!".... Yeah, a beta is meant for that. To give feedback. @rerebanned: As for the "black screens" mentioned in the OP, they are not a bug, they are specially designed features - if you try to refresh the list too often, you get a 10 or 30 second ban, thus the blank screen (in starcraft) or communicate (in diablo2). This is designed to protect the servers from being killed by too many requests. And the servers, even in starcraft still have problems with coping with the sheer number of users. Yeah, I remember the good old days before they created that... But I don't think it's working exactly like they intended. For instance, if you join a game, and it's then closed... there's a huge wait period (7 seconds) before you can see the list again. I don't think it's working like they had intended it to work. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
If this is true: Get rid of them. Gateways are one of the biggest anti-features SC has. I want to play with my friends. Be they European or American. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
I say BNET 2.0 is 20 steps forward, 2 steps back. It is currently the single best thing about SC2 right now. SC1 was absolutely horrible at helping me play against people I would have fun with. It was buggy, getting into games was hard and getting into the right games with people my level was nigh impossible. I also tried ICcup and still could not easily get into games that I would enjoy. This is probably true for >90% of the people who bought the game over the 11 years it has been out. Now with SC2, every single game I play is SOOO fun. Way more fun than I ever had with SC1 and mostly because every game is against someone close to my level. I win ~50% of my games so I have many opportunities to improve since I am still losing some and yet it isn't a stomp fest. This single fact has changed the entire game for me. It is fast, sleek, does its job great. Bnet 1 was ugly, slow to update, had no match making ability, no good way to measure one's skill. All that being said, I do agree with most of what FA wants changed. Online replays should be there. Public Chat channels in general are dumb and ugly and just a place for people to talk about penises so I don't miss them. But I could perhaps see them as somewhat useful in organizing stuff although I have never seen it be useful in Bnet 1.0 personally. We should be able to see "overall ratings". That would be nice. But to say that it is not as good as Bnet 1.0 is the grossest miscalculation I have ever heard. I say Bnet 2.0 even as it is right now (with obvious improvements lacking) is the single best thing about SC2. | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
20 Steps forward? I see a good few steps forward but generally speaking its a quite underwhelming interface regardless of how much prettier it looks. Someone mentioned a default chat channel of ppl in your division; I think this is an awesome idea. As well as being in multiple channels at the same time. There are so many features i'm so sure will be missing in the release that would make this game the be-all end all for rts/game interfaces but as its known if they did that they wouldn't have anything to improve to keep there jobs for years to come. | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
On February 26 2010 07:32 Adeeler wrote: The reason your probably still having fun straight away is that everyone is pretty much at the same level as everyone is learning the game. I"m pretty sure I would not get anything out of playing Platinum players and they wouldn't get anything out if it either. And instead of having to go to ICcup and typing invite messages in channels with bots spamming advertisements and working for over 5 minutes to get a game started, only to be matched with a non-ideal opponent, I click 1 button and get a great game every time. That is freaking amazing. | ||
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StarMasterX
United States113 Posts
On February 26 2010 07:37 Savio wrote:I click 1 button and get a great game every time. That is freaking amazing. That is possible in almost every current generation game. It certainly is not enough to call Bnet 2.0 twenty steps ahead. Blizzard is competing with other current games not Bnet 1.0. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17831 Posts
Big YES to most things mentioned earlier, except maybe race picking which gets a huge NO from me. | ||
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DarK.DooM
United States9 Posts
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daemos
United States8 Posts
On February 26 2010 05:43 FrozenArbiter wrote: OK here is how it works now: Enter email, click connect. Enter password, click connect. I could just enter email AND password and click connect, it'd save me an entire screen. This probably has to do with the way battle.net now works-- you can have multiple accounts under one e-mail address (think different profiles for your family members/friends) OR It could be to select your game... don't know if they are still planning to release 3 games @ $60 a piece (?) | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 26 2010 07:25 Savio wrote: I have to disagree with FA's overall assessment while agreeing with a few of his points. I say BNET 2.0 is 20 steps forward, 2 steps back. It is currently the single best thing about SC2 right now. SC1 was absolutely horrible at helping me play against people I would have fun with. It was buggy, getting into games was hard and getting into the right games with people my level was nigh impossible. I also tried ICcup and still could not easily get into games that I would enjoy. This is probably true for >90% of the people who bought the game over the 11 years it has been out. Now with SC2, every single game I play is SOOO fun. Way more fun than I ever had with SC1 and mostly because every game is against someone close to my level. I win ~50% of my games so I have many opportunities to improve since I am still losing some and yet it isn't a stomp fest. This single fact has changed the entire game for me. It is fast, sleek, does its job great. Bnet 1 was ugly, slow to update, had no match making ability, no good way to measure one's skill. All that being said, I do agree with most of what FA wants changed. Online replays should be there. Public Chat channels in general are dumb and ugly and just a place for people to talk about penises so I don't miss them. But I could perhaps see them as somewhat useful in organizing stuff although I have never seen it be useful in Bnet 1.0 personally. We should be able to see "overall ratings". That would be nice. But to say that it is not as good as Bnet 1.0 is the grossest miscalculation I have ever heard. I say Bnet 2.0 even as it is right now (with obvious improvements lacking) is the single best thing about SC2. That's because you are comparing it to SC1 only, ignoring WC3. WC3 has automatch making, chat channels, a good whisper system (but no online replays). Honestly, I'd rather use WC3s battle.net than the CURRENT Bnet 2.0. Is the AMM good? Yes, but WC3 had it, and it had channels etc as well. However, as I said, if they added these two things, yes, Bnet 2.0 would be an improvement. On February 26 2010 10:38 DarK.DooM wrote: Guys this is only Beta... they purposely left many features of the new Battle.net locked. I thought that was obvious but after this post I can see that many players were not able to deduce that... Already I can notice that theres less delay, voice-chat, a better friend's list, a better match-making system, a better ranking system (and a better display of it), and a much more convenient way of downloading maps and updates for games. Also, in case no one else noticed, its barely been a week since Beta started, the game won't be released before June so theres plenty of time for them to release new content and unlock features that they have not before then. If anyone finds issues with current features that ARE available, you can always make a post on the official Battle.net StarCraft II Beta forums or issue feedback through the Beta itself. We are all fans of Blizzard, please show a little bit more faith in the company that has continued to bring us incredible games and content for the past 15 years. First line of this article; Disclaimer: This post is going to be fairly critical, and so I want people to keep in mind that Battle.net 2.0 is currently in Beta, it's not just the game that is being tested. Many features are still locked or not fully available, so please keep that in mind. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28875 Posts
if they don't implement them for the full game however then starcraft 2 will already be a far worse experience than brood war was, completely regardless of how good the game becomes. | ||
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LuDwig-
Italy1143 Posts
On February 26 2010 05:43 FrozenArbiter wrote: No, you don't know what I'm even talking about. I'm not suggesting you pick your opponents race, I'm suggesting you select one race for each matchup you want to play. Opponent is zerg? Okay, I want to play Terran. Opponent is Protoss? Okay, I want to play Terran. Opponent is Terran? Okay, I want to play Protoss. Opponent is Random? Okay, I want to play Random. Opponent plays incomaptible matchups? I play my vs Random selection. First time I think about this opportunity..and ..really that sounds so good, Blizzy has ever talked about this feature? Or is it just a wet dream? | ||
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On February 25 2010 01:05 FrozenArbiter wrote: if nobody on my friends list is online I literally feel like I'm the last person on Battle.net. Does it matter how you -feel- about it? You obviously aren't the last person on battle.net, Blizzard tells you how many people are online and playing every time you log in (At least it does with previous titles). And if nobody on your friends list is online, how does it help to have channels filled with spambots and people who are AFK? Those are people you (Or, at least I) don't care about, and being able to see their presence doesn't help my online gaming experience at all. With regard to chatting/communication, if none of the people on my friends list are online, then it really is like I'm the last person on Battle.net -- The last person that matters to me. What's the problem, really? Nowhere to play the Triviabots now? No way for the Diablo 2 spambots to get your account name to spam you with their low, low prices? Using channels has been a miserable experience for the vast majority of Battle.net users. I don't miss them, nor do I want them back. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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intrudor
Canada446 Posts
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On February 26 2010 23:46 intrudor wrote: its cool to spend a lot of energy on peripheral things......like B.net 2.0......etc.....but isnt gameplay the only thing that is really important here? I would be purchasing a whole package not just gameplay. I don't see why I can't expect peripheral things to be improved as well. | ||
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pioneer8
United States143 Posts
On February 25 2010 01:40 Asta wrote: Great post FA. I couldn't understand if any of those things were left unfixed until release. Then again, Blizzard has a history of making incomprehensible decisions when it comes to community requests. That seems to have changed during the development of SC2 however, so as you said: to hope.  Regarding divisions I would like to add that the overall ranking is especially (only?) important for the absolute top. I guess if you are in the silver league it's really nicer than seeing you are ranked 32450th instead of 32550th. So maybe the idea is to have just one pro-division after beta which has all the top players. Other than that, I really can't understand why they would voluntarily make it difficult to see who is actually first or top3 or whatever. They should have made only one platinum division for now though. That's the system you will find in pretty much all other sports too. Can you imagine Premier League 1, Premier League 2 etc? Then again I've heard rumors about certain exotic sports where there are multiple 'conferences'... oOa edit: I think FA is talking about the automated match making. So if that happens the algorithm will just find another opponent. The system is similar to the WC3 ladder. The only addition is the division system, which i think is a good idea and will really be more useful after the game is released. The qualifying platinum division players will be able to play in a "pro" ladder, and the top finalists of the pro ladder on each gateway get to play at Blizzcon or some other Blizzard event. It's very similar to the WC3 pro ladder which has been going on for several years. But instead of taking the top 200 players of each gateway, they take the top 10 of each division. | ||
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pioneer8
United States143 Posts
Anything beyond that is invasive and is very similar to Steam. They want to be able to track you for "marketing purposes" and sell games online. The "social network" is all monitoring for marketing. It's a useless feature to the average user but makes them cash when they sell your info. If they continue in this model what you ca expect is a product that is less enjoyable, stable, and slower than the original. Hosting the servers for all the data they expect to collect costs way more money than the four active IRC (esque) servers they would have to run for chat. Seems likely they will implement chat regardless beacuse so many people enjoy it. edit: Just to put it into an even broader perspective, it is, like Steam, a model to precipitate (no pun intended) the "cloud" system, invisioned by the "geniuses" of various computer companies. Data, programs, and files are stored and transferred between a mega-server and your "PC" or other wireless devices. I really don't know how this will help anything for the avverage user, but it sure makes monitoring people's activites easier. I expect "Windows 8" to be the first product to begin implementing the "cloud" system into their operating system. | ||
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