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On March 03 2024 00:07 Vivax wrote: I would like to preorder the first post I will make ##Vote: Palmar I thank you for your trust in me to be your mayor and will work hard for the good people of Liquidia. | ||
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Wanna summarize for me? | ||
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It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch. Pretty scummy, I pledge to make my personal lynch a scum lynch. Much better platform. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote: 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself Pretty townie post | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:22 iamperfection wrote: have you seen his play recently he fell off + L +Ratio as the kids say these days. This is a very townie post as well. | ||
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On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote: Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM Prove it. | ||
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On March 05 2024 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Then he voted for me and I'm blasting town like everywhere PPPSWSSHHHHHH I agree with you being town. I'm like 2 pages into the game so all my reads are just random feelings right now but I like you, Vivax, iamp and DP. I don't like Oats. | ||
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On March 05 2024 06:23 VisceraEyes wrote: omg staaahp looooool DMB What if 9pm IS someone's morning? I'm about to go to work myself, it's 4:20pm here. Now I'm going AFK for reasons unrelated to the time. 🤣 | ||
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On March 05 2024 08:37 marvellosity wrote: ##vote: Palmar Shoo | ||
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But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game. I liked some Koshi posts | ||
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On March 05 2024 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would not be surprised if Palmar and VE were mafia together in this game. Funny but bad take | ||
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On March 05 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote: It is a no brainer to me. I do not want our Jailkeeper dead on N1. The only way to prevent that is by making him mayor. Mafia is smarter than town and understands that. Vivax is getting shit on even after our situation changed. And those 2 bigbrains in their mason should know better but want to make shitshow rayn mayor. pathetic. Koshi posting through the roof | ||
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I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. | ||
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On March 05 2024 10:12 DarthPunk wrote: What do you think of Rayn and Sandro? Who would you like for mayor? Vivax if I conclude he’s town Koshi if not. Those are all preliminary. I’m very far from caught up | ||
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On March 05 2024 10:12 DarthPunk wrote: What do you think of Rayn and Sandro? Who would you like for mayor? No opinion yet on them. | ||
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On March 05 2024 10:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Why? We can dictate his kill to him and lynch him if he doesn't do it. Again by agreeing with that post I assume you're accepting the premise that vivax is town Hey that’s the thing I was talking about. Very scummy to copy my read | ||
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On March 05 2024 17:55 CopCake wrote: Jacob is so much mafia, please lynch, that list is BS. It aint good lol | ||
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On March 05 2024 18:28 JacobStrangelove wrote: Actually as someone who just filtered Palmer again I think let he who is without sin through the first stone here.... If you sum up all of his posts you just get basically a list thread as shit or shitter as mine. So... what's the deal with that. Make a case on me at least. Explain why people should vote for me. We mad? | ||
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On March 05 2024 19:08 DarthPunk wrote: I'm going to bed early so I can get up early to be around a bit before the deadline to catch up. I think Palmar is the best lynch today. Reasons: 1) he spent all last game posting about how he is a god on day one and carried the town and yayaya. 2.) his filter from day one this game. ##vote: Palmar He is just not the same player as his town play last time. Okay you've done step 1 which is establish a discrepancy in my play this game to the last game. But you've then made a leap that me playing differently means I'm mafia. Can you explain how playing differently means i'm mafia? | ||
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Oatsmaster Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyes Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMB So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote: Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. | ||
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In any case I don't think we lynch any of them right now, but I have been highly annoyed by some of their contributions. Maybe they're just having too much fun in the mason chats. | ||
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On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote: Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill. | ||
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On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote: That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up. Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read. Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar. I didn't filter him beyond what I posted, but ok. I don't really feel the need to be careful or thoughtful. I'm posting the things I notice in the thread. I'm not going to play this game like the last one that was a comeback game after years of inactivity. If I die, I die. I'm leading the lynch vote right now, so I kinda want to get my thoughts out, no matter if they're completed processes or not. And additionally, just doing that and being in the thread is very helpful to get an understanding and more insight into the game. | ||
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On March 05 2024 19:59 Koshi wrote: Fact. I am glad you are doing it and I am here criticizing it. If you think I was unfair, you can tell me why. No it's fine, I actually didn't know Vivax wanted to lynch Oats, so your criticism that I need to actually flesh out and establish a hard read is fair. | ||
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On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. | ||
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Why is this good? | ||
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On March 05 2024 22:16 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh. DP is a null, but I've only read his posts in the context of reading other players. I did like him calling out iamperfection for being wrong about how to deal with Vivax (I'm reading Vivax right now). But some of his other stuff that I've seen has been decidedly meh. Problem is, he has posted so goddamn much I don't even know what I should read of his postings. I guess I'll go find a list post or something. But he should maybe just be off the table today just because he has a long filter. | ||
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1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia. 2) He did claim so we work with what we got 3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill" 4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor. There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point. That solves that problem for me. I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. | ||
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Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. | ||
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Kinda towny | ||
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On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: --- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? | ||
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On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote: That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. | ||
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I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it. | ||
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On March 05 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv has not posted anything in the chat after voting for you, aside from answering my VE question and telling me him and sandroba decided to vote vivax for mayor. So no, not really weird. Let's do a hypothetical, I know you love those and the chances of it ending in us arguing about semantics is close to zero. I die, I flip town. What do you now think of marv (assuming he doesn't post anything else in your topic). | ||
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On March 05 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure you're not gonna flip town today in case you're town. That's why I said a hypothetical. Humor me please. Tell me what you think of marv if I die today and flip town. | ||
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On March 05 2024 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: It depends on what you do and what he does during the rest of the day. boo, cop out answer. | ||
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Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy. But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. | ||
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And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch  | ||
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Good job Sandro. | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:14 CopCake wrote: If people do not talk about palm i guess is mafia Gotcha No, that only goes for the people who are currently trying to murder me. | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:15 iamperfection wrote: What do you think of ve palmar? My filter is 3 pages and VE is like one of the few people I actually wrote a few paragraphs about before I discontinued that project out of laziness. Surely you can find it? | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:19 sandroba wrote: I missed palmar last burst while posting, jat overtook his spot as most scummy by a long shot. I'm actually pretty fucking confident JAT is mafia. You son of a bitch I'm in. You don't know how happy it made me to press post on that short "jat looks bad" post only to see it right beneath you calling him mafia. | ||
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People don't do this as mafia. He just dropped a post saying I look worse and worse, and then changes his mind like 5 minutes later. It's really hard to come out of an aggressive tunnel like that as mafia, because you kinda have to force yourself to attack someone and when you've spent effort in making an attack on someone you know is town, it's super hard to just throw it away when new evidence presents itself. ergo, I think sandroba is town, and he is now my captain. | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. So call me town baby | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:32 sandroba wrote: Because Trfel is possibly the best analyst if town. And the posts he does have don't make me think he is mafia, actually the opposite. So pretty much a very bad idea to lynch him just because he isn't as active as we would like when we have so many other options. We can reassess d2. Well said sir. | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:43 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah I'm just overwhelmed. Who do I sheep? Sandro | ||
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Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages? | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:53 marvellosity wrote: Not weird because you hadn’t posted, you useless sack of crap I don't agree. I'm not saying you had to make a case on me. But I feel like you should at least say something "hey Palmar is being useless, maybe we should just kill him, at least try and force him to play a bit" Or anything, really. It's not a huge deal, but like, that means your chat is pretty non-interactive, which is weird because you both seem to townread each other. | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote: Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it. | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:56 marvellosity wrote: Our chat was very active during the day. Youlll notice I’ve been more active in the thread since as I am trying to play here. You also know I don’t need anyone to confirm a read I have on you. What is anyone going to tell me that I don’t know? No I know that, that's not the point. It just feels out of character. You do like to ponder. You rarely do the guns blazing thing, that's my thing. | ||
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And now I'm townie! | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar: 1) Why would VE not be happy to be playing as mafia as "he wishes he was mafia" and two town roles have claimed? 2) Why is this townie? He did absolutely nothing to pursue his mayoral campaign, in fact he did the best to NOT make anyone vote for him by refusing to post a single read on anyone... 3) Why is sandroba super town for his JAT read? I made the exact same read a couple of pages ago. 1) and 2) I said, it's a little bit of wishful thinking, but there is also just a general tendency of townies to be more carefree and happy than mafia. This is just a fact, because playing town is much easier. Like one of the defining things of mafia is that you have to fake conflict, which almost forces you to be a little bit moody or aggressive or lazy. As town you can just be on your merry way and you will happily bump into conflict. There's no pressure to create reads. 3) I liked his JAT read, but I looved the fact that he also mentioned that my recent posting was indicative. It's the fast paced change of mind that makes me think it looks town. Read above about how mafia has to create conflict. It's hard work and it's mentally expensive to throw it out. | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote: Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. | ||
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But I mean.... happy we've reached the same conclusion? Friends? | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:09 iamperfection wrote: In your mind this is town marv coming after you? I don't know. I want marv to be happier, more excited, and maybe a little friendlier. But I don't really think I can call him mafia for being lazy and boring. He does after all have his little mason society to retreat to. Mostly, I kinda just don't care at the moment. Marv has integrity and respect for the game. He is, usually, to be counted on to continue playing past day 1, and he is good enough that he can be forced to participate usefully or die. Even if I'm kinda suspicious, or at least uncomfortable, about his alignment at the moment, it's not a productive venue for today. Also, his reaction to me actually playing the game is going to be very interesting. | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I literally posted this after you started posting so i guess you're not really reading the thread either: I read my own posts, they're some of my favorite. Again, friends? | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote: And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town. As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat. | ||
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On March 06 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote: Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game. Not a valid analysis. Mafia | ||
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Sometimes I create personalities and argue with myself throughout day 1. I have not done that here so I must be mafia. Sometimes I’ve policy lynched all claimers on day 1. I have not advocated that here so I must be mafia. Sometimes I go completely afk day 1. I have not done that here so I must be mafia. You want to lynch me because of the fact I’m not copying my last game. If you don’t have a case for why what I have done this game makes me mafia then you don’t have a case | ||
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On March 06 2024 06:33 Trfel wrote: My apologies, I don't have time to play today. I'll try and catch up later tonight or tomorrow. Voting for Vivax and Palmar, I don't particularly know why, I'll try and check in to see if I need to switch votes. If I get lynched so be it. I mean ok | ||
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I already didn't love his stance on the Vivax thing and his tone in the thread. Then this line of thinking is really what's sealing the deal. On March 06 2024 00:13 marvellosity wrote: Mafia. Should be calling me bad. Isn’t. Mafia. This isn't a valid complaint. I'm not gonna call marv bad when he votes for me. In fact, I kinda understand why he voted for me early on. I had done very little as I was busy yesterday. Today I produced a long filter with all kinds of reads and explanations of them and that did absolutely nothing to budge his opinion on me. I don't really know what sandroba thinks of me but he did come back and kinda changed his mind, at least moved off the scumread a little bit. But marv is dug in. He is not this certain about my alignment if he's town. There should be some doubt in him. I actually think Oats looks a lot better for this observation On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment. I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read Like this is what I expect people to do who don't just want a kill. I don't think marv is bad, I just think he's scum. And if ANYONE buys this logic with me dead, that person is an infinite moron. On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote: You’re fairly close. And those things remain consistent despite your time allowances. And they’re absent here. So you’re mafia. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. You know this. If you were town you’d be much more actively calling me stupid and all those normal things. But you’re not. This is not true. | ||
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marv is probably just mafia jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway. Trfel has literally no reason to think I am Slam is slam Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me. The only standout is DP | ||
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Oh and DP came around. | ||
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On March 06 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote: Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game. On March 06 2024 06:33 Trfel wrote: My apologies, I don't have time to play today. I'll try and catch up later tonight or tomorrow. Voting for Vivax and Palmar, I don't particularly know why, I'll try and check in to see if I need to switch votes. If I get lynched so be it. On March 05 2024 16:40 Alakaslam wrote: Never send to know For whom the bell tolls. I am voting Palmar VE probs scum with him Sadly Hapa is absent Jealous also gone, why? Perhaps, after all that, it is as simple as trfel But what do I know? It is day 1. Top stuff guys. I ctrl+f my name in slam's filter, he has mentioned me like exactly once. | ||
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I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax. I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread. iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment. DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes. TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out. I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen. rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems. Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other. MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. want this one instead? | ||
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It's a "when I die post" You can ignore it for now. I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit. Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. | ||
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I'd still rather lynch JAT. Trfel actually sounded ok in some early posts, and I agreed with someone who made a point that he is a really good player that we can count on being active later on. But his vote on me is obviously atrocious, it's almost so scummy that I can't believe he'd do that as mafia. | ||
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The dude LIKES playing with me. The fact he hasn't even stopped for a second, can't find a single redeeming thing is pretty bad. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:04 DarthPunk wrote: Agree with this. I also have issues a'la Koshi about rayn hard town reading marv based on the summary he posted which was just like whatever. Sandro is the only one in that circle I am feeling good about right now. Yes, I agree. Like if I survive I'm probably just never lynching Sandro for that mindmeld. | ||
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I've backed off it now. But you know, I don't really think I can convince you so I'm not really going to try. You have a hardon for killing me, did your best last game as well. Which is why I always come back to marv, I SHOULD be able to convince him to at least think I'm town. Will you do the hypothetical Koshi? Assume I'm town and flip, what changes in your stance on the game? | ||
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On March 06 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote: The main reason to lynch him was the fact he was being a lazy bastard and not scumhunting or doing anything at all when ostensibly day one is supposed to be his best day. So, he was a clear lynch going to bed last night my time. Now that I have started to catch up again, he has just been scumhunting and trying to solve the game as much as he can before he dies. This is generally the number one way that people are town when they are going to be lynched, just get as much info in the thread. I think his tone has looked good since he started trying, particularly the joy that he had when he got the same scumread on you with sandro at the same time. Now you could say that he is faking this level of engagement as mafia, but I happen to have first hand experience that palmar is absolutely terrible and lazy as mafia and I don't buy it. I think as mafia he would have not coasted so obviously only to then scum hunt and fake mindmelds later on, probably he would just fakeclaim something and roll the dice that way. Anyway I am not lynching 5 page palmar who is scumhunting and mindmelding with sandro day one. I just need to figure out who we are lynching instead. Like, why not you for example, in the obs you were really smart and here you are thoroughly underwhelming. Btw, yes I know I'm biased because I'm being defended. But this is EXTREMELY good reasoning for me being town. The bolded stuff, that is. I don't agree with his other points. I can do well as scum and I would probably never fakeclaim anything as mafia on day 1. I'm mostly emphasizing this because it makes DP look really, really good. He's not just correct about my alignment, he is correct for (mostly) the right reasons. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:15 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, but to add onto that marvs read on Palmar is actually really good. Evidence: also last game. And many before. So when I flip town you tunnel marv? Good. | ||
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Because I have infinite faith in marv coming around. 2-3 hours ago I didn't actually think I was going to be killed. I NEED to pre-empt the "well he was playing like mafia" bullshit and "I would never call him mafia as scum because it's risky cause people think I'm the Palmar oracle" that he has already posted in the thread. If I do get lynched this needs to be in the thread. That's why I'm pointing it out now. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:16 Vivax wrote: I'm retownreading Sandro. If Palmar is mafia it's Trfel and JAT on the bus train atm. Maybe even Slam. Slam looks decidedly worse this game than last, but I also had the mason thing with him in that game which was very helpful in reading him. I'm on the fence about slam and rayn, I actually don't think Trfel is mafia, but it's a weak townread. | ||
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If there is mafia on my wagon it's jat and marv. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:21 Alakaslam wrote: No, I am Fitzwilliam Or I should have been, anyway. Could you not? | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:11 Jealous wrote: Can you elaborate? I had to catch up on a lot of stuff but I don't think I saw too many concrete examples of things I'd consider to be outright bad. VE is one of the people I haven't felt too strongly about while reading their posts so I'm wondering what you're seeing and what I'm missing as I draft my reads. I earlier said he was town based on tone. I'm just downgrading that to I don't really know what he is. I don't have any particular reason to think he's scum, but I also haven't really bothered much with him. I'm mostly just dumping reads in the thread. It's almost 3 am in Iceland so I need to go to sleep soon. | ||
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Not great but kinda in character. rayn loves to focus on "big name" players a lot. My concern with him is: a) his unquestioning of marv b) that feeling I get when rayn posts a lot but doesn't really say much. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:30 justanothertownie wrote: DP is probably town btw. just very misguided. Speak politely to your betters. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:31 Alakaslam wrote: Why are we lynching either of trfel or jat? Kinda hard to be anything but cba in my position but believe me, I'm trying to be better. Y'all have boomer levels of ability to think in someone else's shoes, by the way. I get that some of you actually are in fact boomers, but the crazy thing is they are the ones seeing my plight lol. You're voting for me Slam That's not really a great indicator that you should be listened to. But hey, if you like it so much, go ACTUALLY read my filter and ignore what others have said about me. If you come back thinking I'm mafia still, so be it. But give it a shot. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:34 Alakaslam wrote: Palmar check vote thread Good job slam | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:36 Koshi wrote: JAT because he sits in my ass and pzople dont like it. I also never liked it when he did it with marv. Tfrel because he is underwhelming compared to his last game. JAT because he did nothing, and he doesn't actually have a reason to lynch me. I kinda did that short analysis on the people on my wagon. Aside from marv who I consider a special case, he is the one that looks by far the worst. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:41 JacobStrangelove wrote: Okay thoughts on the marv v palmer I did like vivax's post about Marv not masoning DP I don't know much about sand but it seems like a safer choice if Marv was mafia? Is there any context as to why Marv would have masoned vivax? This is not correct. Sandroba is incredibly good at mafia and if he's town marv masoning him is the most townie thing marv has done this game. They know each other very well and like each other. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:45 DarthPunk wrote: I disagree with this analysis. If I was mafia, I would mason and pocket strong town players 100% of the time. I would do the same as town, its NAI imo. There is an inherent risk in masoning not just strong townies, but people actively know. But it's obviously not a lock town thing, just a point in that direction. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote: Is Palmar actually playing? 10 pages behind. I was earlier today as well... | ||
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Can you improve on perfection? | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:02 JacobStrangelove wrote: Palmer while here JAT or Trifle I've read so much today I don't really remember what your stance was. JAT mafia, I've said a few times why. Trfel is null with a few good posts. I also don't know if he is meh enough to feign afk as mafia. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:03 marvellosity wrote: Palmar calling me mafia is not helping me townread him. And it’s not omgus. It’s his only play as mafia. Still reading g Oh it's an omgus. And yeah, I'm not sure you're going to like what I've been posting. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote: This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:13 Vivax wrote: I now think sandro and marv could both be mafia and Trfel is the correct play. Sandro town | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:20 Rels wrote: I would be OK with a Palmar lynch Terrible takes mate. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:19 Rels wrote: That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind: But you were throwing shade at him before that point: So forced and intentionally misread. Rels looks terrible for these takes. Almost like he went to my filter with a preconceived decision. It's really obvious how and why I've approached marv the way I did. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:24 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Trfel This is not a townread on Palmar. But he is right, if I have doubt I should probably wait a day. I get 72 hours more to nail him if he is mafia after all. I’m uncomfortable lynching JAT. I have nothing on Trfel but I’m sheeping the only alternative. How do you feel about the people who sheeped you onto me? | ||
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I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:27 Rels wrote: How if it a misread? Is it not true that you stated that you couldn't see marv as town, and then was surprised that he didn't change his mind regarding you? I don't need to convince you anymore I think so I'm just gonna ignore you. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:27 marvellosity wrote: It’s natural to sheep me on to you. I don’t have the time to parse this now It's not much man. | ||
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Doesn't make marv town, just not lock scum. | ||
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We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective). 1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question 2) TTS - Complete inactivity 3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia 4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:45 JacobStrangelove wrote: Technically 5 with The slam claim but somehow we're all collectively forgetting it happened at seperate times. Right Like I'm going to be mad if Vivax is mafia because I know in my heart that I'm being incredibly dumb not lynching him. But I'm allowing my gut to win against my inner fascist. | ||
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I like a bunch of mafia in: rayn jat rels mz tts then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy vivax trfel hapa then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi None of the lists are in any particular order I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote: LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? Nah | ||
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Oh fuck off rayn. Go read | ||
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On March 06 2024 18:21 marvellosity wrote: I hate not being around for deadline. Seeing Trfel’s posts is making me really really sad. I mean you could've helped me. You even agreed with my take on Trfel's posting. But what's done is done. | ||
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On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote: Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. | ||
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On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote: Vig shot on TTS btw. This is a good call. | ||
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On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote: Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him Don't like this take but it may be just egoposting from Rels. I didn't think Trfel was gonna flip mafia and I didn't vote him. I explained why I didn't think he'd flip mafia. But I'd be lying straight up if I claimed something like this. For someone who has seemingly been so little involved in the game you're claiming an awful deep understanding of the game to object to what is essentially a diet policy lynch. | ||
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Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. | ||
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On March 06 2024 12:15 Vivax wrote: You put your alarm at 1 minute after deadline ? No matter what, I love the sass. | ||
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On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote: False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons. No you haven't, you just think you have. Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works. | ||
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Don't know if it's because she's mafia or just bad. I would need to actually go read her filter. | ||
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On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote: I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum. Noted. | ||
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On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote: I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum. And to be fair, those are inherently linked. Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim. The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff. If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch. Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game. | ||
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On March 06 2024 11:46 die_meatbaby wrote: ahh thats why we both don´t like Palmar That makes no sense, I am probably the most humble player you will ever meet. | ||
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On March 06 2024 19:30 CopCake wrote: But isnt vivax one of those “keep alive because he can be good” guys? Nope | ||
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On March 06 2024 19:47 CopCake wrote: His recent game in which he fooled grack, rayn and idk who else, oats? Ok if you're town and you admit you suck as town, maybe listen to some experience. DP is very good as mafia and can be mafia here. But it's a huge game and we need to prioritize. We're not lynching people who are making sense, making good calls and leading town when we have plenty of lower hanging fruit to go after. You HAVE to be willing to be wrong to be good at town. You can always change your mind later. I was wrong so much last game and ended up back to back supporting lynch on mafia I had called town to win the game last game. And doing so I sheeped/supported people I had (wrongly) called mafia all game. Re-evaluating based on game state is NOT A BAD THING. Killing a town leader with a huge filter and good takes is just tinfoil hat bad play. No need to be a hero when there's administrative tasks to be finished first. If DP is mafia we'll cross that bridge when we get there. You're not using your time efficiently by chasing him at the moment. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. People are really afraid of "getting fooled" by good mafia, but the reality it's so much worse to get fooled by bad mafia. If let's say... TTS and DP are both mafia, I'd much rather be fooled by DP than TTS. | ||
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On March 06 2024 19:54 CopCake wrote: I havent experienced that. People respect Vivax. Oh I respect Vivax, but he's not a shining beacon of consistency and logical town play. He will do (this game is an example, if he's town, and I kinda think he is) things that are blatantly anti-town as town. Remember, this is all not directly related to game things. I have no reason to lie about any of the things I'm telling you as either alignment. There is literally not a single player in this game with more experience of playing here than me. Maybe VE has a similar game count? You don't have to listen to my reads, I'm good, but not the best at scumhunting. But you should listen to stuff like this. | ||
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On March 06 2024 20:01 CopCake wrote: Because he pocketed you. And I am open to things, ofc I know I cant be 100% right, but my insight for being good scum is what helps town. I can tell when some actions look more for “save face” or when a night action cant clear someone. Thing is, DP has been doing opposite things of he claims he will do. -DP says: I dont wanna be mayor because I am burn out of my last game - Reallity: DP started a wagon on someone WHO DIDNT EVEN HAVE votes, and then went after JAT. So much for being burn out, no? Someone who says and claims is tired created chaos. I need to see how was his mafia game to have better context but I can bet he wins the heart of “big players” with “good arguments” Even this little tidbit points to town, not mafia. It's not a lock town case, but it's actually pretty good. He says he's gonna be lazy, but then can't help himself spamming 20 pages of the game. While inconsistent with his stated aims the emotion behind that is almost certainly excitement over playing the game, and generally town players are far more excited about playing than mafia. | ||
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On March 06 2024 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: youre still scum. until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba. until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is You see, I understand this is a stretch for you but I am capable of holding multiple options in my head at any moment. We had this argument last game as well, where you were mafia trying to hammer me for exactly the same logic. I do not make associative reads So, I can think at some point that marv is mafia, and I can independently think you are mafia, and even if I agree that it's unlikely you'd do a stunt like that, that doesn't change my individual conclusions. Now I'm not even sure marv is mafia, hell I'm not even sure you're mafia, I really liked you going after copcake just now. Remember, we HAD THIS ARGUMENT last game, and you were the mafia and I was the town there. I do not make associative reads and I do not care about links like this. I just individually consider players and accept that sometimes I'm wrong. If marv is scum and you're town, that makes the mason thing suddenly not weird at all, same with the other direction, could just be a stunt you pull. It really doesn't matter to me, that's not how I think about the game. Also I kinda agree VE has fallen off a cliff in my opinion. I kinda wrote him off and haven't filter dived him mostly for that tonal read that he was enjoying himself, but since then he has stopped enjoying playing... so... that no longer applies? | ||
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On March 06 2024 22:26 justanothertownie wrote: Other wagon(s) will come later. The conclusion from my own is 1 of Rels and Palmar + MZ are likely mafia. Would mean the team was spread out well which is what I expect. Terrible analysis | ||
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On March 06 2024 22:37 sandroba wrote: I'm liking palmar more and more. His night posts read really genuine to me, maybe I'm a fool but I'm prob not going after palmar d2. Marv had some paranoind behavior in the qt which has fully convinced me he is town. I think these are the big question marks for people and I think they are both town. By process of elimination here is what I'm at: Likely mafia: ve + rels - both didn't care one bit about the lynch imo Depending on TTS being mafia or town it leave us 2/3 mafia in this pile: mz, jsl, jat, cop, dmb, slam This is where I'm at. You know, if sandro says marv is town, I'll happily accept that and hold on to further shadethrowing in that direction. Makes the game a lot easier for me if I just assume the two of you are town and work from there. | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:14 iamperfection wrote: It's like your asking permission to scum read ve Can I sir? | ||
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On March 06 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever likes this post as for Palmar townie points, is stupid. This post has something for everyone, everyone can be happy about something in this post, and it literally says nothing at all. Even the Trfel townread is not a townread really. I mean that post can be ignored, it's already out of date. I was just going to sleep and had no idea if town would swing back around on me, so I wanted to summarize how I felt about the game in case I flipped. | ||
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There's no case I think he's town. I've said multiple times correct play would have been to policy lynch him day 1. | ||
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On March 06 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CASE ON VIVAX, PALMAR? Are you just not reading my filter at all and shouting louder than everyone.... On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote: If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad. I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote: You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 22:51 Palmar wrote: The tiny little fascist in me really wants to kill Vivax for making a bad play but I'm just gonna ignore that. I can't see clear scum posting in what I've filtered of him. On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote: This is just random and for post-game purposes. We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective). 1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question 2) TTS - Complete inactivity 3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia 4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. On March 06 2024 08:48 Palmar wrote: On March 06 2024 08:45 JacobStrangelove wrote: Technically 5 with The slam claim but somehow we're all collectively forgetting it happened at seperate times. Right Like I'm going to be mad if Vivax is mafia because I know in my heart that I'm being incredibly dumb not lynching him. But I'm allowing my gut to win against my inner fascist. [B]On March 06 2024 19:23 Palmar wrote: And to be fair, those are inherently linked. Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim. The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff. If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch. Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game. | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is not an associative read in normal sense. it's similar to you calling slam 100% town for masoning you last game. Yeah but that 100% read was a complete and utter lie. | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:22 justanothertownie wrote: Very helpful. As it was the last time you mentioned it. Last 7 times. I like talking about policy lynches, sue me. Do you find it interesting that rayn is apparently not aware of this stance on Vivax despite me being his #1 lynch target? | ||
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Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that. raynpelikoneet | ||
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Need to punch him to be more active tomorrow, but not really a huge deal for now. Good cop check probably if someone wants to go for it, because I don't know if I can count on him stepping up transparency and activity as the game goes on. | ||
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Gonna explain why you think I'm mafia without reading me filter? | ||
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Well those posts I quoted are pretty well spread out in my filter. Which parts did you read that allowed you come away with such a strong conclusion? | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax point is not important, it just came to my head when i quoted your post to show how that list post is not townie. I find it important. Also if it's not important, why all the caps? | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least the parts i base my read on you. Which parts are those? | ||
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I don't think I ever tried to buddy anyone. I give reads who are independent and you know this. If you are town you should be stopping and thinking "oh yeah, Palmar, as town, last game talked about how he doesn't make associative reads and does things independently". Now I won't fault you for forgetting that, but when I point it out to you it should greatly weaken your first point. The second point about VE is also kinda weird. I have had a change of heart about VE, but he was never my primary scumread yesterday, I just mentioned that him falling off a cliff made him look worse. Why do you care so much about my read on VE? I've arguably said more about VE than I've said about for example iamp or dmb or Rels. | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I entirely dislike your read "progression" on VE, and i think it makes you mafia. Let's break this down. I initially made a tone read on VE and explained that it was mostly that, along with some theorycrafting, shitting on people using unccd as a thing. That latter part is NAI but whatever. The second time I talked about him I mentioned him looking a little worse, and then I made another post about him and Trfel needing to step up. I feel like this makes perfect sense given VE's lack of activity in the later parts of D1 And now during the night I said he's fallen off a cliff, which I kinda think is a fair characterization of his play. What's the problem with this? I admit, he's not been a primary investigative target of mine, but I don't think I've said anything weird. | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: because youre super good at reading VE I'm not though. We have played a bunch of games together, but he's not really one of those players I have a set of expectations for. I enjoy playing with him when he's on, but again, no idea where you get this idea from that I'm some VE oracle. I don't think I'm bad at reading him, mind you, just not really any better than other people have played with him, or better at reading him than other people. | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia. Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance? | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels made a good point about your stance on marv's scumread on you. Maybe Rels is mafia with you as JAT thinks, but nevertheless it's a good point, you just shrug it off like it's nothing. And people buy that shit from you. Just didn't want to talk to Rels really. His entire point is based on some perceived strangeness regarding marv, that if shit ever hits the fan I could cajole marv himself into confirming isn't weird. And at that point Rels had no thread presence and I felt like arguing something so dumb was just gonna mess with the thread. | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:25 Palmar wrote: It's really hard to come out of an aggressive tunnel like that as mafia, because you kinda have to force yourself to attack someone and when you've spent effort in making an attack on someone you know is town, it's super hard to just throw it away when new evidence presents itself. I'm not saying I'm a genius but maybe I am. :D | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: So did you or did you not read VE's fliter? Because you have basically claimed to follow the thread with ctrl+f palmar on people's filter? Did not. Opened it, skimmed a little, but no I didn't read his filter. Obviously that ctrl+f thing is a hyperbole with a tiny bit of truth in it | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: so do you think it is 1% possible mafia rayn masoned mafia marv masoned town sandroba? I don't think about the game that way and refuse to have this argument again with you. | ||
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There's a long argument about those things and he kept hammering the point that some people can't be mafia with others etc and I strongly disagree with that approach of thinking. Can't believe it's happening again lol | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well you scumread me, why does my read on VE that was well known hold no significance to you? I've felt uneasy about your contributions but I don't think I've been actively calling you mafia, just put you in a pool of people likely to have some mafia in it. Why should I care what you think about VE? The main reason I'm moving from "rayn is a little scummy" to "wait he's actually probably just mafia" is twofold: 1: caps locking demanding a case on Vivax (I am your #1 scumread afterall) despite my stance being abundantly clear and repeated a million fucking times because I am aroused by policy lynches. 2: refusing to acknowledge that you know, or should know, how I approach scumhunting and don't make these kinda reads. | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:04 iamperfection wrote: If you both think each other is mafia why is there all this mucking up the thread with each other. Quit bitching, the upper class is having a meeting. | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:08 iamperfection wrote: You had him in your likely mafia pool what you talking abot Yeah? But was I actively pushing to lynch/talking specifically about him much? | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:10 justanothertownie wrote: Be more respectful toward your betters. Smh Always respectful towards my betters, just haven't met any. | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:12 iamperfection wrote: Like looking at this post you have trfel as a policy lynch but in the bottom it isn't. yeah, makes perfect sense right? | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:13 iamperfection wrote: No lol. Looks like your just making up shit to me. Did you notice that I also called Vivax town! How cool is that? | ||
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Because he and Trfel are different. I liked Trfel's posts, but just dropping the game and fucking off is a lynchable offense. I didn't like TTSs posts. Note that I haven't revisited TTS at all this night, so that list may be out of date, although I can't remember him posting. A policy lynch is a lynch suggestion that is independent of perceived alignment, but rather based on a policy of expected town behavior. TTS could fit into both categories (policy lynch a lurker and lynching him for bad posting) but obviously when combined he goes into the scum pool. This is why I'm joking around with you seeing a contradiction in saying Trfel is a policy lynch candidate (or really, a vig target candidate) and then saying I actually think his posts look townie. If you think that's a problem, then you just don't know what a policy lynch is. | ||
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Barring any development I'm pretty much 100% on rayn being mafia. So if I'm not back at deadline that's my preferred lynch for tomorrow. | ||
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and this: https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28153053 Somewhat summarized here: https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28153059 | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's good i am alive tomorrow. less worried about you than me buddy | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:30 iamperfection wrote: Your list vote came after trfel votes for you. From your perspective shouldn't you have thought trfel was scum parking a vote on you. You even said as much when it happened then seemed to forget about that in that post. I didn't think Trfel was scum so that lines up perfectly. | ||
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I guess the only logical play is to lynch the check. | ||
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On March 07 2024 17:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Framer equity? There’s 2 investigative roles at least so I have to assume that there’s a framer in the game Tiny. 1/alivetownies * 1/aliveplayers Cause framer requires the cop and framer to hit the same player. | ||
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On March 07 2024 17:06 marvellosity wrote: I mean I’m gonna be happy if oats flips red but rn this whole game has been super frustrating. And I can’t even hide in the discords and bitch about stuff anymore. I have a discord now. Still not entirely sure what they’re for. | ||
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On March 07 2024 17:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar/Marv what are y’all thoughts on dmb and mz of the stuff I’ve said? Not caught up. Will read later. | ||
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On March 07 2024 17:12 DarthPunk wrote: In a way I’m happy oats got read checked cause now I don’t have to lynch ve today. Don’t think killing VE would’ve been all that hard. It’s a hobby of mine. Easy to convince me to take part. | ||
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May be around a little later tonight. | ||
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On March 09 2024 03:25 Koshi wrote: Not sure why we are not voting VE and lynching our townread. I mean we lynched a townread day 1 too | ||
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On March 09 2024 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I mean I personally don’t think we need to wait to tmr to lynch VE Tomorrow we lynch Slam obviously. | ||
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[b]raynpelikoneet is scum[b] The entire case hinges on two points. There is some other weirdness in his postings, but those are by far the most important ones Point 1 - rayn demands, twice and in all caps, that I make a case on Vivax The reason this is important is because it clearly implies rayn never actually read my filter On March 06 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CASE ON VIVAX, PALMAR? But the problem is, I had explained my stance on Vivax multiple times in the thread. Like I'm actually kinda annoyed with myself for how often I repeated that same point. Here's a link to a post where I summarized me repeatedly expressing the same stance on Vivax. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28152997 In conclusion. rayn considers me his #1 lynch target but hasn't actually read my filter and doesn't know my stances. Point 2 - rayn refuses to acknowledge that I don't think and play like him This one is a little more nuanced to explain, especially to people who weren't involved in the last game we played, but for context here's the gist of it. On day 3, I am town and kinda think rayn may be town. rayn is however mafia and is tunneling me as an established scumread. The most significant post here is this: In the same way as he does this game for the mason thing, rayn demands a townread because I have other people that aren't him as possible mafia, and then claims it's impossible that they could be scum together. To me, this is a clear logical fallacy, because it assumes that I'm always right on my scumreads other than rayn. I explain this even further here in the last game. On December 17 2023 01:24 Palmar wrote: In order cause phoneposting. Not necessarily but it’s different from what I do. I said I can’t remember if it’s normal for you. Again, I don’t think this way. Maybe I’m wrong on something. Maybe mafia is playing lone wolf. I just don’t care at all who is likely to be mafia with who. It has no impact on how I think about any game. You HAVE been active. You have one of the longest filters in the game. You just haven’t been influential. So given that we literally had this discussion last game, rayn's claim THIS game that I must be mafia because I refuse to think in associations like he does means he has to be scum himself. Not because he doesn't know my playstyle, that's actually completely acceptable he's mafia because he's reminded that I just explained my playstyle to him last game, I play like I always do again, and remind him that's how I think, but he still refuses to listen This means he doesn't WANT to listen, and his objective isn't actually finding out my alignment, just wants to kill me. In conclusion: raynpelikoneet I mean the only other option is that he's a moron. | ||
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On March 08 2024 15:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Alright Palmar: He has 11 pages, that’s really surprising to me tbh, again like I said earlier with rels, if I can’t remember what you posted, that’s bad. I really don’t like this post, it has the inbuilt assumption that Sandro is town and the only other post that Palmar made preceding this about Sandro he expressed suspicion at the 3 in the Mason group. It not a natural anything. Palmar is just posting for the sake of posting. He then comes back to this Sandro read and justifies it after the fact as if he arrived at it later on which is obviously not the case. This read is a lotta words for calling marv scum cause bad. I mean just read it, there’s no logical consistency for why Palmar has such a strong read on Marv based on the evidence he provides This is just a classic mafia advice post that pushes nothing but appears to be helpful by telling cake to move along This is after Palmar expresses a scumread on rayn, during their conversation. Does this sound like someone who thinks that the person he’s talking to is town? I don’t think so and I think it’s clear he tried to attempt to distance from the flip. There’s just nothing from day 2 besides using bad math to justify lynching me, no engagement just checking boxes. This was longer than I thought it was but yeah this is where my current read on Palmar is. @copcake from what I can tell from the voting around Palmar going from lead lynch to no votes was marv dropping his read along with trfel getting wagoned on but it’s a mixed bag with slam and vivax on that wagon too so I’m not really sure if there was mafia involvement OMGUS | ||
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Also marv is bad if he thinks I'm mafia and I'm town. It's a pretty universal tell. All that marv-posting was just made in case I died. It can be safely ignored. Also, bad Oats for calling me scum for being nice. I'm really working hard on being nice to people in mafia games, and I actually have some pretty strong opinions on how to approach the game. I love spreading the word on these. And the last point is quite simple, I am actually very surprised that rayn doesn't change his read after being reminded. This is just me trying to beat into his thick skull that he should know how I approach scumhunting. But my strength falters... the skull is too thick. | ||
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We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5. This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about. First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all: DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things. Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him. Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia: Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile. Then there's the people who will be resolved by today Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower Frame math: Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that. Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below. Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis. die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit. CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night. JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to. Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid. ToTheStars - lurker VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE? Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:02 JacobStrangelove wrote: Spends all day and all night making a case on why rayn is wrong instead of finding scum. If oats wasn't red checked I would vote you now. That took me like 15 minutes. But as I said I'm filter diving sandroba right now and he thought you were mafia. And it's interesting that your approach to my rayn case is not "lol what a moron" but instead "NO FUN ALLOWED!!" Cool. | ||
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On March 06 2024 22:37 sandroba wrote: I'm liking palmar more and more. His night posts read really genuine to me, maybe I'm a fool but I'm prob not going after palmar d2. Marv had some paranoind behavior in the qt which has fully convinced me he is town. I think these are the big question marks for people and I think they are both town. By process of elimination here is what I'm at: Likely mafia: ve + rels - both didn't care one bit about the lynch imo Depending on TTS being mafia or town it leave us 2/3 mafia in this pile: mz, jsl, jat, cop, dmb, slam This is where I'm at. Yeah, seems like Sandro was largely on the same page as I am today. So I'm kinda happy with that. He doesn't mention the people I think are probably town (DP, koshi, vivax) and I liked his read on marv. Also Sandro like Jealous posting, and I'm kinda inclined to sheep that read as well, as it makes the game even simpler for me. I think I recall liking Jelous' huge post on day 1, and anything that helps me eliminate people is good. | ||
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I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there. One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world. Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose. There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:09 Jealous wrote: So JSL claiming gunsmith unCC'd doesn't matter to you? I had no idea he claimed that. Also wtf does "unccd" mean.. it's a semi-open setup | ||
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So then you're just boring, and not scum. Because in this scenario "unccd" is actually valuable information. That's neat though, less people to go through. | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:16 JacobStrangelove wrote: Thought you were going to enter these drop that and dip. Its not boring to call you out in just defending yourself and doing nothing else. Until you do something else. Right but talking about myself is like my favorite thing to do. | ||
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I also ran again into Jealous' incredibly futile high effort bullshit about the interactions between me and rayn. It's so stupid it looks townie | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I don’t mind getting lynched but not because of math this bad… Slam checking me probability is 1 because it happened. So the only probability in play is whether there is a framer and whether the framer landed on me. Consertively let’s say the probability of a framer existing in this game is 0.9 and the probability of the framer landing on me randomly is 0.07 so the total probability is 0.064 which is 6.5% MINIMUM. Now if you bump the probability of a framer up to 1 and consertively say slam had 4 possible cop checks it becomes 25% that I got framed. Miller is not really consequential I agree at this point it’s like a 8% chance it’s on me if it even exists I mean slam could also just be lying and he's mafia happily going 1 for 1, we already have a ton of blue roles running around. But the math isn't bad. You have to consider the possibility of "Oats gets framed, Slam checks marv" or something. From my vantage point that is an entirely plausible scenario, because I cannot control Slam. This is btw why framer is a terrible role. It's so useless like 99% of the time and randomly swings 1% of games way out of whack. It really shouldn't exist. | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:17 Oatsmaster wrote: I don’t think it’s really unluckiest town in the world that I got framed when the cop was 100% outing what targets he was gonna check lol Well yeah, because then we're unlucky our cop is a moron. | ||
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All the other scenarios ranging from salvage-able to great Oats is mafia: great Slam is mafia: good, 1 for 1 is acceptable Oats is miller: salvageable, at least slam gets confirmed And mafia needs to shoot slam, so Vivax can play mind games whether or not to jail slam in that last scenario. Mafia can't just RB slam, because they need to RB DP if DP is town which I think is the case. | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey look Palmar Sandro thought i was town too. Just like for your records Yeah I know I'm like this close to saying fuck math and changing my opinion. But you did make a case on me, which looks bad for you. Not sure I should blame you for that though. Like I'm almost tempted to just fucking lynch slam lol | ||
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Problem is slam is chaotic enough to do this bullshit as either alignment. he doesn't actually play with any kind of logic. | ||
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That's another concern of mine. if we just lynch VE, maybe he flips red, maybe he's just lazy and flips green, and we go into the next day just as blind as we did this one, with possibly less mislynches left. | ||
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But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. | ||
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I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think. | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:31 Alakaslam wrote: He says he cannot read me. Look at this, marv was my 4th consideration of 4- but still, it was someone I considered. 3 was a total seekrit Harumph | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:48 Koshi wrote: I think if Oats flips town marv is mafia over Palmar tbh. But maybe I am just angry he is voting his townread. To be fair I'm voting a townread Oats as well | ||
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On March 07 2024 11:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Mafia inside Marv/Oats/Jake/Cake and mix in a couple of hiding lurkers. Dealers choice. I think the game ends in town victory, even if you lot lynch me tomorrow. I'm sorry I couldn't give this game the time it deserves, my weekend starts tomorrow so I'll at least fight my lynch if I live the night. Good luck urybody. | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:54 Koshi wrote: It literally says 5 mafia in OP bro. Dont try your fake ass dumbtell twice. I'm talking about the votes 10 on Oats 4 on VE | ||
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On March 09 2024 16:38 marvellosity wrote: Palmar, this was right near the start. What had pinged you? Genuinely curious here. It was the fact he said he wanted to be mayor. But then never really did anything to convince people he should be. Instead all his following posts were stupid questions and passive posts. I then let his reasonableness in the face of dumbassery on part of other people convince me he was town. | ||
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On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment. I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read In particular this pocket post did a lot of heavy lifting in changing my view on him. I was so frustrated with the dumb attacks at the time. | ||
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On March 09 2024 23:37 justanothertownie wrote: Are you caught up by now? Gotta say that people like CC, Iamp, Jealous and even Koshi at this point appearing here while I don't is starting to annoy me. *fixed Maybe stop calling town hero Palmar mafia | ||
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Didn’t I ? Took the jealous and Marv and you and mb koshi off table. And jsl too | ||
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On March 10 2024 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: I should say Motown too. Did you repent and call me town hero? | ||
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On March 10 2024 08:26 Alakaslam wrote: VE is awesome I agree Slam my man. You know I appreciate you dude there’s a reason you’re one of the peeps I message outside mafia just because you’re a bro. Thanks for the scum lynch | ||
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On March 10 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote: id hope like you and maybe koshi and some lurker for late game.Palmar if you were mafia this game who would be on your team? | ||
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No but only because lack of fun. I have like IQ of 73 and not smart enough to think harder | ||
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On March 10 2024 08:34 justanothertownie wrote: I will save this quote if you don't mind  Makes you mad that 73 outdoes you? Idk. | ||
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On March 10 2024 08:34 DarthPunk wrote: What did you and MZ talk about in your discord chat? Idk what chats do so I just asked him to claim blue. | ||
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Is ok. Most people who spend hours on forum game very low IQ. Some other people use us as fun science experiment | ||
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On March 10 2024 08:38 marvellosity wrote: I don’t rarely drink. But I rarely postI very rarely drink. But tonight I drank. Fun times marv When drinking. As an important business man drinks are a part of the job | ||
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On March 10 2024 09:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Plamar it hurt my feelings you didnt' want to talk but its ok, I[robably have low IQ being a forum game player lolool No is bc discord stupid is ok | ||
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On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote: ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it. Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out. This is not about liking or disliking something. You have a sacred duty to your team that you must fulfill. We do not get to choose the battles but we must fight, because we’re not fighting for ourselves but something greater. | ||
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On March 10 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote: I have split my mafia thoughts into two groups I still try to figure out which would make more sense. Group1 I think there are 2 Town 2 Mafia inside Koshi Palmar DP Marv Group 2 Here 2 and 2 as well TTS VE Rels Vivax The rest pretty townisch right now oh and super mega Townread of course on Slam Mega Townread Slam This take is so bad it deserves a lynch. | ||
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On March 10 2024 17:53 DarthPunk wrote: So who is mafia now? I liked marv poe list. Mafia is down to 1kp now so we have like 3 mislynches and 2 confirmed townies. | ||
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On March 10 2024 20:57 justanothertownie wrote: Alternative to whom? You are on VE so I take it you disagree with the CC wagon? Yes. | ||
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On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote: marv would also always lynched VE over cc. I agree with this. I mean it isn't even hard. I am absolutely willing to be burned by a lazy non-fun-having VE if it's somehow wrong. The VE has no fun = mafia angle is in my brain an incredibly, incredibly strong point. | ||
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On March 11 2024 04:52 CopCake wrote: I try not to use irl excuses stuff in games, specially as mafia. I appreciate this. I do it myself, I never make excuses for not paying attention. People just need to take it at face value. | ||
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On March 11 2024 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So I'm at work right now, but I'll go and filter people and give reads before I die. I'm mostly caught up now so it shouldn't take long once I start working on it, but I'll entertain no questions and there will be no flash photography. Thank you. You do know why we're killing your right? | ||
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On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town. Lets even say VE is scum. Who's the last two? Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? | ||
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On March 11 2024 19:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Silence I think you're probably scum and I can't right now. See this isn't exactly helping your case... | ||
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On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote: First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me. Verdict: Mafia Koshi Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages. Tbf if you want to call Koshi mafia just say that he thinks I'm town. Town Koshi never thinks I'm town. Ever. But I've decided to ignore that for now. | ||
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On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote: Btw the wagon on me is so bad. marv is probably just mafia jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway. Trfel has literally no reason to think I am Slam is slam Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me. The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D | ||
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On March 11 2024 20:16 Koshi wrote: I pushed against the Oats wagon the entire day. I thought Oats wasnt be mafia. I was very sure about it. Very rude treatment of me saying Oats was scummy back there. | ||
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On March 11 2024 20:22 JacobStrangelove wrote: Koshi and jat haven't flipped how do you know it was pure? It's a jab at jat, specifically He did vote me without having any reason to do so. | ||
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On March 11 2024 20:25 justanothertownie wrote: Did it hurt your big business man feelings? Very important | ||
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On March 11 2024 20:40 iamperfection wrote: Palmar how do you have nothing to say about this idiotic dp vivax cop nonsense. Because it's stupid setup speculation. | ||
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On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Wasn't it just? Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer. His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here. There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia. Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win. I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective. To be clear, marv called me 90% town and rayn was mafia, so neither of those count. Also I do love playing with you, that's just bullshit. It's not a thing I would lie about as either alignment. | ||
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On March 11 2024 23:35 die_meatbaby wrote: I mean I would not be mad to vote Palmar. It is always a good choice, but either of his aligment he don´t give a fuck about anything and is ignoring stuff and players as well as I saw in the last game Good analysis. I only read and talk about stuff I'm interested in. Speculation on what mafia does is not one of those things. I can't control mafia and I can't know the setup, so I literally do not care about any discussion about it. | ||
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On March 11 2024 23:53 die_meatbaby wrote: Don´t worry right know I prefer to look in the filters from Koshi and Reels at the moment. I'm sceptical about their aligment more then yours. Koshi is in the tinfoil pile, you should probably not waste much time looking into him because we're not lynching him today. He is unpredictable, and he thinks I'm town so maybe he's mafia. But, koshi could not have known I would pussy out of calling Oats mafia, and there was absolutely some serious push towards Oats getting lynched on day 1. This includes Vivax the mayor talking about it. The chances of Koshi making that towncase on Oats as a fellow mafia member is pretty low. It exists, and if anyone is ballsy enough to pull it off it might actually be koshi, but as I stated, we're not at the state of the game where we need to be lynching people who have objective reasons to call them town, and Koshi is in that category. | ||
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I haven’t given myself the time to go back to read him. But I think DP called him town after diving into it and I’m somewhat willing to sheep that now | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:07 justanothertownie wrote: What are you talking about? Oats was never seriously pushed in this game before slam claimed his check. Vivax talks about a lot of stuff - am I supposed to think dp is in danger to be lynched today? Because our mayor said he is mafia. Oats led the lynch at one point in day one. Vivax, the presumptive mayor who actually held a KP on day 1 was voting him. That’s different from now when Vivax has no KP. | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:27 CopCake wrote: I wouldnt mind Palmar lynch or Rels lynch, mostly because it would give ME perspectives. But cake stop with your scenarios. Cant forgive Tfrel got lynched out of thin air. He got lynched for supporting a wagon he had no idea what was about and then just fucking off. But I do agree, I never thought he was mafia, didn't vote for him. | ||
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I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game. For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now: dp jls koshi cc dmb vivax Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read jealous iamp rels and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia jat mz ve Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:49 CopCake wrote: I do not like how DP and JSL change votes like if they were socks. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621825-a-classy-vote-thread?page=5 This is a serious MATTER. This is an obviously useless path to go down at the moment. You're just wasting space. I don't mind you holding a tinfoil theory in your head, but please read the room. | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:54 Vivax wrote: Maybe we just kill iamperfection here because he voted with mafia on D1. I don't really have anything on iamp. My entire thought process on him is literally just: "iamp is a great player but he has kinda... just existed this game". It's just a feeling, and I can't really back it up without actually reading him. I feel like he's sort of around, comments on things, but doesn't really get much done one way or the other. Most of what he says feels a little passive. There is an easy town explanation for it though, he simply likes the way the game is going, but it could also be indicative of there needing to be an investigation down the line. | ||
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I have absolutely no idea what he is doing this game. He is playing incredibly "scummy" by not posting and just not taking part in the game, and he knows this. He has even pointed out, a few times I think, that he is being scummy. All of his posts are incredibly standoff-ish. The feeling I get is that every other thing he says is just "COME AT ME BRUH". So what do I do with that? There is absolutely a chance that in his mind he's trying to... teach us a lesson? It's just so hard for me to justify wrangling myself into a position where it isn't just fake mafia bravado. If we had less time, if we were one lynch away from lylo, I'd probably be doubting this lynch a little more, but as it stands I just can't find a non-stupid reason to call him town. The problem is I can find a stupid reason to call him town and I can't be fully confident it isn't the case. But with time, lynching him is almost a no-brainer. He has, by far, the shortest filter of the players remaining, he hasn't done anything to help town. When reading through some of his stuff early on day 1 I found myself agreeing when someone scolded him and told him to try to be a good townie. Like if you just make a list of people from those who have done the most to try to advance and solve the game (DP) to the least (VE) it makes basically no sense to let him get away with acting this way. This kind of playing is just not useful down the line. | ||
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On March 12 2024 01:00 iamperfection wrote: You are a bufoon. I literally lead the wagon on trfel. I said it's just a feeling that I can't back up. I had a similar feeling about Trfel last game, and when I finally bothered reading him I came away thinking lock town. That's a big part of how we won that game. You're not up for lynch today, so it doesn't really matter to me. | ||
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Also some dead townies I trust said iamp is town so that's good enough for me for the moment. | ||
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On March 12 2024 01:11 Vivax wrote: I just don't buy this post. It's like that game where he posted out of nowhere D1 and got me lynched when I was asleep doctor. Ve, MZ, JAT seals the deal not much else to say. Yeah, this is pretty much where I stand at the moment. I'm sure we're gonna be wrong on something, but I feel like that will reveal itself down the line. | ||
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On March 12 2024 01:28 CopCake wrote: ##vote: palmar Do I dare ask why? | ||
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On March 12 2024 01:48 CopCake wrote: Votes. You were saved. Oatmaster never dared to put a single vote on you to even look “townier” and most of the votes you had were made by town (rayn, etc) I can't control what mafia does. If you want to lynch me based on what mafia does I can't argue with that, but it's stupid. | ||
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On March 12 2024 02:05 CopCake wrote: At some point the list looked like this Trfel (8): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous Justanothertownie (5): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels Then MZ and Oats added the votes to JAT making it 8 to Tfrel and 7 to JAT That would have put JAT in danger. Hey jat's wagon looks pretty pure as well! | ||
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On March 12 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote: I should have quoted with the strikes but yeah, phone posting. Where is DMB? Btw if you're town, remember your logic here in the post game. Because it is strictly the incorrect way to play mafia. Vote count analysis is about the most useless thing you can do. I'm not gonna argue about it now, but if you think someone is mafia, you should go read their filter and find out why they're mafia for what they said. Ideas like the one you have here is just bad play. | ||
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On March 12 2024 04:24 iamperfection wrote: Maybe just lynch anyone who self votes. I'm sure palamar would support. It’s a good policy | ||
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On March 12 2024 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote: This is so many words to "All of a sudden I don't think VE is mafia but I want him dead anyways" But ya Palmar likes playing with me guys. lmao No. I think you’re mafia. That explains your play this game without me having to be annoyed at you for throwing. | ||
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On March 12 2024 04:04 Koshi wrote: I kinda expected more from VE. As either alignment. lol Been my point for a while. | ||
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On March 12 2024 04:52 justanothertownie wrote: You are so self-centered it is actually amazing. I don't always play like this but because something in my play makes people really, really want to kill me I often end up being a lynch target/controversial player. I'd love to play a game where I'm not constantly worried about people trying to murder me. But while they do it, one of the more fun ways to analyze people is to see whether or not they're calling me mafia for reasons I believe they believe. Also, it's not my fault that after more than a decade mafia doesn't know the trick is just to pocket me hard cause I'm a sucker for that. | ||
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On March 12 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote: See even if palmar is mafia at least he plays to win. You see what some of you have driven me to. I just complimented palamr. I will not forget this injustice. Like this is out of game stuff, but I really, really believe in game integrity, and always have. This game is fun because we make it fun. Sometimes it's hard to motivate yourself to go get shit done, but people have to remember it's not about them. It's about making sure everyone else is having a real game to play. | ||
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I am not going to catch her on logic and arguments because nothing in the way she thinks about the game chimes at all with how I think about it. | ||
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I gave my thoughts as to why we should kill him here: https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28157981 | ||
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On March 12 2024 05:53 DarthPunk wrote: Well that is true. I just don’t believe cake will ever die without me to hard push for it. And I truly believe she is mafia. Noted. I promise to follow up. At least see what you're seeing. | ||
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On March 12 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote: Koshi are you as confident that CC is town as you were on Oats? rofl the shade | ||
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On March 12 2024 06:59 Jealous wrote: Feels like Koshi went into that filter with the outcome already in mind. Oh he absolutely did, not sure that says anything though | ||
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On March 12 2024 07:04 iamperfection wrote: How can it not say anything? I don't get why you openly reject what he is saying. It looks like your not trying to figure out his or cc alignment. Which of course is super scummy. Why the shade on this? I have plenty of explanations for my own reasons behind leaning slight town on koshi and cc as a pretty wild-cardy null at the moment. I don't think it says anything about Koshi that he wrote a case to support his conclusion, he's been plenty vocal that he thinks cc is town. It would actually be surprising if he didn't write that towncase with the outcome already established.... Actually almost all cases are written with the outcome already in mind I think, do you disagree? | ||
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On March 12 2024 13:27 iamperfection wrote: Feel like palmar knew ve was town. The whole teach us a lesson part. No, I voted him. I thought he would flip mafia, because now I just have to accept he decided to behave like an ass for no reason. I just know that I don't know. This entire post is justifying killing him while waffling slightly on my behalf. Incidentally a lot of my very early game gut reads have been correct. Trfel town, Oats scum, VE town etc I feel like that's maybe an avenue for me to go back and think why I thought those things back then, but that's all just internal approach. By the way, we still have to lynch incorrectly 3 times in a row to lose, so no reason to panic. VE was always going to be lynch-bait and he for some reason didn't even try to help win the game. It's not a disaster. It's a taking out the trash lynch and we can easily approach tomorrow. Here's a thought, and somewhat of an internal process as well. I can't think of a single reason, I actually read VE's filter, to confidently say he's town. So I'm actually somewhat interested in why the people that didn't vote him didn't. I'm sure some of them just had a better read than I did, but I need to figure out the reasons because I'm also sure some of them had pretty shit reasons for it. | ||
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I'm going to probably take a semi-break this night because I just don't have an endless amount of energy. | ||
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On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote: But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. | ||
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One of my primary weakness is that I do get lynched more than people who are better than me at establishing themselves are town. Some of it is because while I'm not good as scum, I'm decent, so I have a lot, and I do mean A LOT of experience getting steamrolled by paranoid towns. | ||
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On March 12 2024 22:28 iamperfection wrote: Fibonacci dosnt even really count from what I see. So damn it's been a long time you were due. yeah, statistically I'm pretty much confirmed mafia... lol | ||
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For context, I've basically considered Rels a pseudo-lurker this game, but that may not be the correct take. Due the length of the game and my sporadic availability we may not have been in the thread at the same time much. He basically hated the same post that I hated from TTS on day 1, which is a stance I wasn't aware of. I like that take, even if it's not impossible to make as mafia. In the next few pages I think I agreed with most of what he was saying. I honestly think he just got hypnotized by my enormous balls and ended up getting mislead, but aside from attacking me, he wasn't actually bad in the early game. I come away thinking he's less likely to be mafia than before, but this is just preliminary work. | ||
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On February 27 2024 09:44 iamperfection wrote: trying a new style btw not posting as much well that was a lie lol, 30 pages of filter | ||
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On March 13 2024 12:19 Jealous wrote: Fine, brief summary, just for clarity: 1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion. 2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me. 3. Hypocrisy. 4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes. 5. Martyrdom. Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me. By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you. I really like this post by the way. | ||
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It's very complicated. And I want to preface by saying I kind want to go read his filter. This is all written from memory and subject to change. I'll talk through some of it. First of all, I have a mental expectation of Koshi that may or may not be wrong. We all build these models of players we've played with repeatedly and then try to compare them to our mental model. Here are the things that really fit my model of what Koshi is like: - He makes a lot of sense when thinking objectively about the game and how it should be played. I particularly noted that he was one of the few people I completely agreed with how to deal with Vivax' claim on day 1. It annoyed me that the mason triangle disagreed with the view that Koshi and I had. - He makes a lot of overconfident reads and does it in an abrasive manner. He is active in the thread and seems to be anticipating interactions, like today he is actively waiting for me to come back. Here are the things that don't fit with my model: - He was way too quick to dismiss his own scumread on me. Part of the model we build about people is how they interact with ourselves. In my model Koshi basically calls me mafia every game regardless of alignment and wants me dead so bad all the time. It's almost unfair to assume he should be wrong about me. This point is slightly important because I have objectively not played all that well this game, especially if jat not mafia. I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision. So what about the things he says? I honestly don't know. Koshi is really good at making sense as mafia, and because of the way he approaches the game it's difficult to catch him on the content. Like there is a case to be made that his Oats towncase could make him lock town, or we should lynch him for it as mafia. He has, at times, been advocating for keeping morale up in the thread, which is a townie thing to do. He made another towncase, this time on CC. I am not nearly as convinced that CC is town as Koshi, in fact I think she is one of the more likely people to flip mafia, mostly because I start liking other people more. I don't think Koshi can be answered today, and I don't think he needs to be answered today. My opinion is that we should be exclusively looking at the people that are most likely to flip mafia, and despite some concern, I don't think Koshi is there. Oh btw, he did at some point... maybe even twice.... traitor-bait. | ||
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I was talking about the way it reflects on Jealous himself. In particular that last sentence is just great. I need to re-read CC to make up my mind. I can do a preliminary "what I think now" post like I just did with Koshi, if people think that may be valuable. | ||
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The plan is to find that out. Probably not DP and Vivax Some reasons to townread Koshi, Rels, you, dmb, Jealous Little reasons to townread MZ, jat, CC And then need to deal with the fact that I'm probably giving too cheap of a townread to some of the people in the top 2 lists, and being too mean to someone in the bottom list. Like I think best case scenario is I'm 2/3 in that bottom list. Like just as I explained there's some issues with Koshi's play, similar can be said of Jealous who despite liking the things he posts, doesn't post all that much and seems very calculated. But the fact that I usually like his posting far outweighs the other. | ||
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On March 13 2024 21:55 iamperfection wrote: This is just standard Koshi blustering, why do you think it's relevant? | ||
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The only reason I'm givivng you a tiny town read is that I think I'm sheeping marv. | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:00 iamperfection wrote: Him soft martyring has to say something. He also goes from I don't know if he is mafia to being like super confident how do you not see that and it doesn't stick out? Because koshi does this kind of shit every game. Did you read that part of my mental image of him is the "abrasive overconfident" way he does things? This is EXACTLY that. It's just his way of saying he wants to lynch me. | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:04 iamperfection wrote: ? You have played with me before why do you have to sheep marv See this is the kinda shit that bothers me. Why wouldn't I sheep marv? He's a really, really good town player that I respect. What on earth is weird about that? I'll do a highlight of other instances of you being weird: On March 12 2024 07:07 Palmar wrote: Why the shade on this? I have plenty of explanations for my own reasons behind leaning slight town on koshi and cc as a pretty wild-cardy null at the moment. I don't think it says anything about Koshi that he wrote a case to support his conclusion, he's been plenty vocal that he thinks cc is town. It would actually be surprising if he didn't write that towncase with the outcome already established.... Actually almost all cases are written with the outcome already in mind I think, do you disagree? For some reason iamp doesn't know why people write cases? Cases are there to convince other people of your existing conclusions... usually. On March 12 2024 01:08 Palmar wrote: I said it's just a feeling that I can't back up. I had a similar feeling about Trfel last game, and when I finally bothered reading him I came away thinking lock town. That's a big part of how we won that game. You're not up for lynch today, so it doesn't really matter to me. Iamp gets mad and claims to have lead the wagon on day 1? I don't remember it that way, but I didn't care much about the trfel wagon. Why do you care? On March 07 2024 01:09 Palmar wrote: Quit bitching, the upper class is having a meeting. Iamp complains about me and rayn arguing with each other in the process of figuring out each other's alignment? Why not just let us hash it out? On March 07 2024 01:14 Palmar wrote: Did you notice that I also called Vivax town! How cool is that? Iamp for some reason doesn't know what a policy lynch is? It's all strange and I don't really like it. Not even sure it makes him mafia, just annoying to deal with. I would need to dive into that filter of endless oneliners to actually reach a harder conclusion but it's whatever. | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:07 Koshi wrote: Palmar. After previous game in which dmb fooled you. Why is this game dmb town? It's a risk again. Essentially I am now assuming that dmb feels the need to "take a stance" as mafia. Last game her stance was an incredibly stupid tunnel on me, but at least it was a stance. My feeling this game is that her mood has been lighter, and she has been much more comfortable just sorta existing in the thread without the need to spam an opinion. This is however, based on having not filter dived her for a long time. The one weird thing she did was accusing me of lying about time. But that was hilarious anyway. | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:14 iamperfection wrote: It's not endless one liners. I am clearly town you not seeing that on your own makes me think your mafia because your clearly not reading my posts then. I have given my thoughts on every player in the game several times. He said replying with a oneliner. Hey I know I'm almost (but not quite) as bad as treating forum mafia as an IM tool. And I do NOT deny not having read your filter. That's literally what I'm saying. I haven't read it so I'm relying on other people who called you town and deciding to worry about you later. | ||
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Are you trolling me at this point? | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:19 iamperfection wrote: It just seems like your clearly not trying to figure out the game to me. How have you missed several big posts. You haven't read at all? Your just filter diving? I mostly read what's in the thread when I'm there, coupled with trying to read a few pages back. I usually start posting immediately kinda just to let people know I'm available. Then I go read filters, and go revisit old reads I remember and try to see if they're still valid. Both mine and from dead townies. I mean, why does this matter? It was clear back on day 2 when I had no idea about JSL/DP claiming gunsmith/gun well after it had happened in the thread. I mean if you think I'm mafia for not reading every post in the thread before I start posting, just say that. But the other part is wrong, I am actively trying to figure out what alignment people are. | ||
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On March 13 2024 23:28 iamperfection wrote: Palamr straight up ignored when koshi said he would vote jat with him. It's not relevant information until I actually make a choice on who I want to lynch. It is somehwat interesting that jat hasn't really commented much on what is going on today. | ||
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On March 14 2024 01:35 iamperfection wrote: Do you think Jelaous is being over defensive palmar? The tone of his annoyance seems reasonable. | ||
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On March 14 2024 04:20 Koshi wrote: His Oats read was also extremely subpar. I know I repeat myself but now with the flip I am even more suspicious. Because he had to save himself and bussed a teammate weakly, then let himself get convinced Oats was town. Town!Palmar could have done more there. And should have. It was an objectively correct read, because it was right for the right reasons. I just got sidetracked by people calling me mafia and then Oats pocket defending me. | ||
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I think iamp is mafia | ||
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I think JAT is mafia every time I start reading his filter. But his posts while in the thread while I'm there are very inoffensive and borderline townie. | ||
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Like we should objectively lynch CC for making absolutely no sense. Her reads are terrible, and the way in which she achieves them is terrible. Her constant tinfoiling is super annoying and doesn't actually help anyone. Do I know if she's mafia for it? No. I'm probably going to vote her this cycle because I see no chance of getting iamp killed this cycle. Also, this has been in the back of my mind the entire game, because it was like the one point I agreed with rayn on when we were arguing on N1 On March 06 2024 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its impossible youthink DP is pocketing Palmar if you dont think Palmar is town, if youre town. So i guess youre mafia. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:03 iamperfection wrote: Vivax he comes back to the thread and says I'm mafia and doesn't even humor us with a reason. He is mafia I kinda made the case earlier. The point is you've been obstinate to the point of strangeness at way too many times in this thread. Couple that with the feel of "just existing" thing I've talked about before. Tbf the most towny thing you've done this game is try to lynch me. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:04 Vivax wrote: Maybe he just wants you to think that so we lose the game and he can call you awful. I suspect there‘s a bunch of those afloat. This game is corrupted I don't do that. And I don't really have much of a leg to stand on. I haven't played great this game. I call people bad while in game, but I'm generally pretty nice in post game. It's been extremely distracting to me this game that people have been on my ass since I basically entered the thread on day 1, and given the fact my availability is not all that high it's taken up way too much of my time. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:08 iamperfection wrote: Palamr how can you say I have been just existing in this game. I literally hammered ve I exposed the masons at the start and showed why rayn was town. I was the one that explained why tts was mafia when he came back. I lead the charge on trfel I literally post almost 24/7 wtf are you talking about. You have to be mafia Maybe I'm just wrong. If you're town and I'm mafia it's very smart of me to pick this fight now. But maybe I'm just right. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:13 Koshi wrote: Palmar, are you going with iamp and CC mafia team? That's your best guess? No still working, I maybe think CC is town now. If Rels is mafia btw, he has been TMI-ing the entire fucking game lol. He knew Trfel was town He knew TTS was mafia When Oats did the hero defense he still thought Oats would flip scum So much correct shit in his filter. | ||
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Palmar, Vivax, DP, Rels Gonna work to improve on that. | ||
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The more I think about it, MZ did mason me, and his literal first words were "hey I think you're town." I kinda regret now not engaging with him at all, but we're on stupid different time schedules. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:13 iamperfection wrote: He just throwing wifom bombs now Yeah, getting low on truth bombs | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote: I know. He is the town hero. But like in the movies he is currently going through the rough period. With a lot of cocaine and hookers. Some self pity. That's why he is on the wrong track now lynching CC. Didn't you call him "the third" with JAT and I like a few hours ago? | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:22 iamperfection wrote: I got shit to do now. Over 95% palmar is mafia. Back later. nice dodge | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:23 Vivax wrote: I seriously hope this isn't a town Palmar. Is this like the Men in Black test where a bunch of cardboard targets move around looking like monsters and you have to shoot the little girl with the quantum physics book in her arms. Tough truths but it is. Like if you, or anyone else, is certain I must be mafia, here's a way to break the spell. 1: go back and read marv. Remember the guy who reads me better than ANYONE else (to the point of hard defending me last game, saving the bloody game...) said I'm 90% town 2: with this information in mind, go and actually re-read my entire filter. It's not acceptable to vote me without actually going through this process. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:25 Koshi wrote: Yes. But then I read his filter. Then it became Palmar/JAT/DMB But then Vivax showed it was Palmar/JAT/Jealous If Jealous is mafia he's playing a pretty strong game. I think it's iamp/jat/?? Maybe CC for chaotic, maybe Jealous with strong play. Maybe MZ. I'm temporarily sticking with my rant about you from earlier, and DP making the point your posting spree (you almost did an entire page on your own...) looking townie, to take you off the table. I'll happily take you up on the offer to lynch JAT | ||
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I can't even remember them talking all that much about each other but that may be a nothingburger, or lack of rememberance on my part. I haven't specifcally looked at their interactions. The one cool thing about me is that EVERYONE has talked about me. A bunch. | ||
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Already explained. It's the sassyness of that last sentence. I'm not talking necessarily about the conclusion it reaches, just that Jealous basically tells a guy he thinks may be town to fuck off. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:34 Vivax wrote: He's been dismissive all the time with his posts. Sassy isn't worth much if it's for the point of stifling discussion. Yeah I'm not certain he's town, just think it's kinda likely. Also, I know this sounds kinda insane, but he made a list post on day 1 that I kinda liked, and in addition I remember sandroba liking it as well, and that actually holds a lot of weight for me. Anyway, I've got an idea. | ||
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Koshi can you do it with me, feel free to go back to me later, but I want to build a small wagon on jat. I just went quickly through jat and iamps filters. They talk a bunch with each other, but give almost no reads on each other. iamp was in some list post by jat at some point, but that was really about it. I searched for "iamp" and "jat" in each other's filter, so if they use a different name it might be wrong. Basically, at almost no point have these two given an "hey I think this guy is X because of X" on each other. It's all just quoting each other in discussions, usually about a third party. So here's a thing 1) @iamp: what do you think of jat and why. I know you think I'm mafia, but even if I am you'd still have to find 2 more people. Go make a towncase if he's town and scumcase if you think he's scum. 2) @jat: what do you think of iamp and why? I'm not actually up to date on your stance on me, but I remember you sheeping marv's read quite hard so you may be one of the few people who think I'm town. So go ahead and make sense of iamp, tell me if I'm wrong. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:39 Koshi wrote: You voted JAT based on this? Or did I miss something else? No sorry, did it before I explained. | ||
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There is a world where I just blindly sheep DP onto whatever he wants to lynch. Especially if he agrees with T(mi)OWN hero Rels. I could really, really use a list post with short explanations from both of those. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:50 justanothertownie wrote: How can you not be up to date with my stance on you? Can you please read the thread at least? Spoiler: Yes. I seem to be more or less the only one here who thinks you are town. My position on Iamp has always been town. More or less from the start since I had multiple moments in my first catch up where he posted exactly what I thought at the time. Never really gave me any reason to reevaluate that and since people say his mafia game is extremely bad I did not feel bad about it so far. I can humor you tomorrow and filter dive him (will sleep soon) but not now. Whatever happened to "I do not make associative reads"? Cool now I don't need to read the thread. I have individual reasons, yours I've laid out fairly plainly over multiple days where my suspicion has grown and been reduced depending on feelings at each point. Iamp I've been calling "maybe hidden mafia" but then I got really annoyed with his stupid habit of hanging on to pointless stuff and realized I had been annoyed at him several times before. Essentially my accusation of him is exaggerating shit he knows isn't a big deal. So I started thinking "what does jat think of iamp" and I realized I couldn't really remember you elaborating on it at any point in the game. I obviously had a sense through the friendly interactions and non-confrontation I was aware of that you thought he was town, but I just couldn't remember you pointing it out that much. Which then led to me thinking about it the other way too. It's just an oddity that I noticed, and I feel like it might be a good idea for everyone in the thread to see the reasoning behind it. Maybe you both have extremely valid townie reasons to call each other town, I'm just an idiot and wrong on everything, Who knows, let's see it. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:56 justanothertownie wrote: If only someone had brought this up before. Seriously. Now that Palmar posts it - what a revelation! Still mad about 73? | ||
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On March 14 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote: It legitimately took me a second to get what you are referencing. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote: Ok I got to say it. If Palmar is town. And that is still a big if. CC is lock mafia for the n1 nks. rayn was wrong about literally everything except CC and she would want him dead. Sandroba was on CC as well. That makes that DP was right all the time. That makes rels his vote is correct. That makes the iamp change to VE sus as fuck. Etc Not sure if we can take it that far but yeah. DP will have earned the right to be absolutely insufferable if this is all correct | ||
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On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote: Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips Lol the TMI continues | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:05 DarthPunk wrote: Don't like this post at all. Why would you be doing this Palmar. That does not seem like you AT ALL. I honestly don’t know. I did the same shit with day 1 where I didn’t start banging Marv until I thought I might die. It’s part confidence being lower than normal and part trying to avoid being scumread all game because I’m real tired of that shit. Didn’t work though. | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:08 DarthPunk wrote: Why is cake 'deciding to play weird' and not just mafia? Because people play like mafia as town all the time and I keep lynching them for it and they keep flipping town. VE this game. Vivax last game. Etc How the hell am I supposed to now CC isn’t just a logically compromised crazy person. | ||
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Because always right. | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:32 Rels wrote: This post that looked really reasonnable D3 looks really bad in retrospect Why is it bad? | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:49 Rels wrote: I don't understand why Palmar's vote ends up on VE D2, especially after this: He calls Oats a townread, but nothing on VE being scum apart maybe from: I don’t understand that either | ||
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On March 14 2024 13:54 DarthPunk wrote: I have spent 5 hours straight reading this abomination of a game so im taking a break. Imperial 2.0 fml. Yeah I agree. Fuck those people who spammed 50+ pages. | ||
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On March 14 2024 14:11 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count Justanothertownie (4): Palmar, Vivax, Koshi, DarthPunk Palmar (4): CopCake (1): Rels (1): die_meatbaby Jealous (0): Koshi (0): Meapak_Ziphh (0): Not Voting (1): Justanothertownie With 4 votes, Justanothertownie is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Friday, Mar 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in I think the wagon on jat is very pure. | ||
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I do. Just a very well informed town | ||
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On March 14 2024 18:35 Koshi wrote: I can still lynch both Palmar and JAT. CC I just dont know anymore. I still read her as an enigma in solitude. I dont see in what team she operates. Palmar is just keeping this game wide open. I am upset. I'd be enjoying this so much if I was mafia. Really annoying that I can't skirt this line of being always under suspicion but avoiding death when I am. | ||
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On March 14 2024 13:37 iamperfection wrote: because palmar said something that was true Jat didnt really make clear what he thought of me at any point in the game from what i see in his filter. We certainly interact and he kind of quotes me a lot but he never really calls me town or mafia from what i see. He had you in a list somewhere. But it's not even that you guys don't call each other town or mafia, neither of you ever really tries to explain to a third party what the read of the other is. | ||
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On March 14 2024 14:11 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count Justanothertownie (4): Palmar, Vivax, Koshi, DarthPunk Palmar (4): CopCake (1): Rels (1): die_meatbaby Jealous (0): Koshi (0): Meapak_Ziphh (0): Not Voting (1): Justanothertownie With 4 votes, Justanothertownie is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Friday, Mar 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in There is 0 mafia on jat There is 1 mafia on me There are 2 mafia in the non-voters/single-vote-wagons | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:36 Rels wrote: Where is this happening???? You're voting for JAT, the player that probably townreads you the most in the game I am absolutely developing reads throughout this day. I've added Koshi and you to my town circle, downgraded iamp to possible mafia, come back around on thinking jat has to be mafia. | ||
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@CC when you see this, lay out (again, I know I've asked you to do this before) why you're voting for me. Preferably make it at least 2 or 3 paragraphs. I don't need quotes of my posts unless you want to, just an outline of why you think I'm scum this game. | ||
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On March 14 2024 18:49 Koshi wrote: I have a hard time believing this isnt mafia Palmar having fun. If you would die right now, your flip is the only thing we got. I havent read a sheepable read on mafia. I havent read a sheepable read on town. It's worse. If you would flip mafia I would not know who your mates are based on your posts. If you flip town, do I really want to sheep this iamp read? What do I do with the Rels flipflop? Blargh I'll help you with the latter: There is a chance my iamp read is based on me assuming he's smart and being annoyed when he's acting stupid. The fact that DP still considers him town significantly impacts my view. Like I still can't get over the fact that iamp doesn't know what a policy lynch is and I'm going to berate him for it probably for the rest of his life. I am perfectly willing to "sheep" DP in the sense that I'll temporarily work under the assumption that he's just null and not mafia. So basically, don't really sheep the iamp read all that hard, but keep him accountable. In lylo he should be a prime target. I'm not flipflopping on Rels. I just think it's hilarious that he drops this many "TMI" bombs. Kinda impressive if he's town, which is what I think he is. If I die, stay the course. Kill jat, then scrutinize the fuck out of the people outside of my town circle. dmb, cc, jealous, mz. | ||
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On March 14 2024 10:07 Rels wrote: @Palmar did you receive a PM when you got masoned, or did you just get added to a Discord channel? I refuse to answer this. | ||
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On March 14 2024 18:56 Koshi wrote: You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI. Nothing else in past 12 hours. So weak. Rels is town because he has been extremely right this game, outside of his tunnel on me. The TMI joke is simply because of just how much he has been right, I thought you'd understand that. The only weird actual possible TMI thing that he has done is his response to MZs case on me: On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote: Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips After declaring Rels lock town this is giving me pause. Maybe he should not be in my town circle and Koshi can be a full member instead. The point is, Rels knows I'm more likely to flip than him. So instead of commenting on the quality of the case, or refuting it, he simply goes for the "Well when Palmar is dead and flips town I'm cleared" approach. It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game. Yet the only option/outcome of MZs analysis he comments on is the reverse of what Rels actually thinks is going to happen. He seems not worried at all what it means if I flip mafia, which then in turn, according to MZ should implicate Rels. | ||
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Kill jat, deal with other things later. | ||
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I'm a moron. | ||
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That would solve the game, absolve all the shitty lynchbaits and insane people and whatever. | ||
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And in that post where I called Rels town I accidentally also called him mafia. So now I guess that's what I think. | ||
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1: MZ makes a case on me and rels being mafia together 2: Rels says case is good, and if I flip town it has to be thrown out the window Problem with 2 is Rels doesn't think I'm town, so why mention it, instead of pointing out why the case is wrong in associating us as mafia. The solution to that is that Rels KNOWS I'm town and is using the opportunity to clear himself on my townflip. If Rels is town and thinks I'm mafia, why isn't his primary concern to convince MZ that the association is wrong? Instead of just saying "good case, means I'm clear when palmar flips town". | ||
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On March 14 2024 19:07 Koshi wrote: And I read Rels early game. He was mafia on you and JAT. So... you liked him being on JAT? I ignored/disliked Rels early game. It was only later when I noticed how reasonable and correct everything he said was that I started thinking he's town. Then when I did the actual analysis yesterday I concluded he had been right about everything and thus looked pretty townie. There are some points that look to the opposite. His crusade on me on day 1 for some weird interactions with marv never made any sense to me, because all he needed to do was ask marv if it was weird (it wasn't...) I felt like he just sort of came in the thread after a long absence and started attacking me for dumb shit. I decided I was doing other things at the moment, hence: On March 06 2024 08:29 Palmar wrote: I don't need to convince you anymore I think so I'm just gonna ignore you. | ||
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On March 14 2024 19:26 CopCake wrote: Then I have DP and Koshi saying if Palmar is town then Cake is mafia. It feels like a set up. Yes, yes, I know you are scumming reading Palmar but why said “it is not impossible” I would rather get lynched, because tomorrow is going to be “cake vs someone else, maybe Jat” Idk, I dont want to be the mafia tool of misslynches. Like c’mon it is like “Cake is super mafia lets lynch her” VE flips town And next day “Lets lynch Palmar” but if he flips town then is cake You have been convinced I am mafia, why do I get saved? Why do I got saved by iamp? At least with my flip, THE TOWN will consider the WORLDS i have proposed. They will see I was right on Tfrel, on VE, and that my actions are not for TMI. This is also very weird. You're voting me, so this shouldn't be a concern at all? If you think I'm mafia, you can't really be worried about me flipping town and people going after you. Unless you don't think I'm mafia? But if that's the case why are you voting me? How can lynching your scumread be a setup to lynch you? | ||
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On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote: Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips Essentially Rels understands this to be an associative case, ie: hinging on us being mafia TOGETHER. His claims that if either of us flip (town), the case goes out the window. So in a town!Rels world, the only outcome of the case where it has any merit is if I flip mafia, which would implicate him. But why would town!Rels just accept that outcome Additionally, town!Rels should know he's town and he thinks I'm scum!Palmar, so why is he okay with an association where the case concludes we're scum!Rels and scum!Palmar or town!Rels and town!Palmar. Either he should be attacking the idea that our alignments are linked in any way, or he should be changing his stance on me. | ||
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then made a terrible read where he said the stupid "1 mafia between Palmar and Rels". I really hope someone called that terrible at the time. The seemed to back off to the point of claiming mindmeld. I need an update from jat on rels. Maybe jat should convince me to lynch Rels? | ||
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Oh thank god, someone did. Thank you for your service citizen. | ||
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On March 14 2024 20:30 DarthPunk wrote: Our schedules are the polar opposite. I’m about to go to sleep I can post for a bit though. What’s up? Read what I wrote about Rels' reaction to MZ case. Read jat's initial defense. Give thoughts. | ||
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On March 14 2024 20:52 DarthPunk wrote: Yes that is bad. Add it to the super long list. Then explain how some people can strongly town read her.. 🤷 It's the "I'm afraid to lynch an crazy townie over mafia". Like I want her to be mafia, because that makes her smart. If she is mafia she is exploiting town's resistance to killing martyrs, she spewing bullshit reasons for everything she does and getting away with it. But there is a reason people don't like killing martyrs and people who just think about the game in incredibly strange ways. Experience has taught us that there are plenty of people who don't act and play rationally as town. So do we gamble on her being clever scum and not just bad town? I don't know. I'm more inclined to do it after this latest post from her. If jat's initial defense looked a tiny bit better, CC's initial defense looked a tiny bit worse. Sentences like JAT's "I can't help but defend myself even if I know it's not the best" sound.... kinda towny? maybe? But I don't know. | ||
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On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote: You gone? I’m off to bed then. Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. | ||
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On March 14 2024 21:03 CopCake wrote: I am sheeping this And VE And jacob I mean I am so bad at playing I should follow my superiors Yeah but now Koshi is voting something else. Stop with the self-pitying, it's a tired act. Do you have any opinions on what has been developing over the last few pages? What do you think of jat? What do you think of my point about Rels? Do you have any updates on your read on me now that I've been pretty active in the thread for a while? | ||
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On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote: I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that. | ||
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On March 14 2024 21:08 DarthPunk wrote: Will you be around in 8 hours still palmar? I’ll be back then. Until then I’m happy to be parked on JAT and see what develops from him. If you make a decision based on what happens while I’m asleep I’ll consider it on its merits. I plan to be around to manage the lead up to the flip I will try to be around in maybe 9-ish hours. That's the evening my time. Good night man, sorry for keeping you up. | ||
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On March 14 2024 21:08 CopCake wrote: I will post my testament when I get lynched. How about now? This is so frustrating to deal with. If you're town why do you not want to help? What is the problem? We're trying to have a game of mafia and you've just decided that because someone said something mean to you at some point all of us need to be collectively punished and taught a lesson? Mafia is a hard game, if you sign up, you need to play. I don't want to mislynch you if you're town, but you're making it incredibly hard to not come to the conclusion that no one would be this selfish as town, and the reason for your demotivation is not just that you don't have the energy to defend yourself. | ||
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On March 14 2024 22:09 iamperfection wrote: Palmar what do you make of JAT not voting? Nothing really. I don't blame anyone for being undecided or confused this game. Mafia is doing a great job. | ||
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On March 14 2024 22:27 CopCake wrote: Because I do not see him as scum Who do you see as scum? You've already kinda said you don't really independently think I'm mafia, just that you're sheeping random people. And you don't think JAT is. | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:16 sandroba wrote: I was momentarily under that impression, but then I looked into his list post and the sheer amount of work that was put into it including the spoilers. He has to be town I've been riding this so hard all game lol | ||
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On March 06 2024 11:52 sandroba wrote: given the context that dmb doesn't think both wagons are townie and she finds d1 lynches to be always bad, do you think it is reasonable she is saying this? Does Oats call scum!dmb out for scumslipping here? Idk Where is dmb btw, she is freeriding this day too hard. | ||
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I think I already clarified all of this. I tone read VE early, and yes, changing because he didn't play seems pretty reasonable. I did scum read Oats and allowed Koshi to beat me out of that position. I also did get pocketed by Oats defending me. I don't think having opinions is bad, and I don't think admitting some of those opinions may be based on incomplete information is bad. I have pretty extensively covered my reservations about JAT, up to and including why I'm voting him today. I don't make associative reads. I don't care that rayn agreed with me on one thing, that doesn't absolve him. I called rayn mafia, correctly, for completely different things (refusing to accept how I work despite having recent evidence etc) And yeah, Oats played really well leading up to his lynch. I was already pocketed and then saw him try really hard. To answer your question, generally am a pretty insistent pusher of my reads. This game I have had a harder time doing that because day 1 I was under a nonsensical assault and days 2 and 3 were basically auto-lynches, not much to push there. You will notice that the wagon I started is #1 now, so I am absolutely pushing now when the opportunity presents itself. Being wrong isn't indicative of mafia. Can you tell me if these answers help you at all? Could you look into JAT and Rels please? What did you think about my point about Rels? And most importantly, why do you think you're being set up as the next lynch after me, if you think I'm mafia? Wouldn't that make you town if you got your scumread lynched? | ||
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No idea what it says about Rels, I don't think any mafia team member would try to defend TTS at that point in the game. | ||
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On March 14 2024 23:37 Koshi wrote: I saw something fun but it completely fucks with my scumteam. Just throw it out there. Game is stupid enough anyway | ||
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On January 17 2015 15:04 Vivax wrote: Yeah I totally regret that I hammered Palmar, but Artanis had me totally in the bag while Kels and marv, my scumreads, were pushing Lazer. So I basically said I'd hammer my townread to lynch marv tomorrow. And then scum manages to save the game while I'm asleep.... I'm going to send Palmar my dick in a box as an excuse. Still waiting? | ||
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My last attempt was to do an analysis on dmb based on how often she used the word "fucking". Cause I remember her being aggressive last game and much more mellow this one. But turns out she still loves dropping the f-bombs just as much. | ||
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@Vivax: you go make a case on dmb. Don't care if it's towncase or scumcase. I just think it'd be useful for the game. | ||
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On March 15 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote: Why does it feel like some of you people are just saying this now? I know DP was on this wavelength with me all the way back in D2 when we were in mason chat, but where were all of you? If such a huge proportion of a players' posts are directionless or non-sequitur, isn't that anti-town? If we all posted in confounding ways, how would any game ever get solved? And somehow it's being held against me that I've parked my vote on the most consistently "confounding" "crazy" "insane" person in the game? Stop gaslighting me. Besides that Koshi dive she wrote, basically nothing has significantly moved the needle on CopCake's alignment for me. I can't recall a solid argument from any of you as to why CopCake is town besides meta reads and *shrug*. So, the same way Vivax basically asked me to "prove" I am town (lol), can someone "prove" to me that CopCake is more likely to be town than scum at this point? Kinda bad post | ||
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On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote: Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous ^ There's my proof that I'm town. Doesn’t work when you do it lol. | ||
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On March 15 2024 03:18 Vivax wrote: I don't see many benefits of switching to Jealous here with this thread sentiment. I can try but most of the town is forcing JAT vs Palmar. Not completely opposed to the idea of shennies onto Rels | ||
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On March 15 2024 04:08 justanothertownie wrote: Weren't you calling him town earlier today? Changed my mind mid post there at one point | ||
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On March 15 2024 04:23 Koshi wrote: I am so fucking suspicious of both Palmar (Jealous Rels) and JAT (DMB and was ot also Jealous?) wanting or scumreading 2 people on Oats. Not everyone was there at the deadline. But you do make a point. It seems very likely that there is at least one if not two mafia in mz/cc/iamp But you also have to remember that mafia is playing with perfect information. They know that Oats is scum, they know the check is legit (whereas I mused about even lynching slam). They will be deathly afraid of being seen to go against the red check even if a bunch of stupid townies are doing it I think it’s perfectly reasonable that 3 mafia were on Oats to try to not get the attention that voting against a red check would give them | ||
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This applies to voting too. Mafia has no idea if town chickens out of killing VE if he actually takes the lead. and as the wagon on VE grows, they ABSOLUTELY do not want to be the ones delivering the hammer blow on a townie over a red check. Only the very, very best mafia players take that challenge. | ||
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On March 15 2024 04:39 Koshi wrote: If you vivax and I are pushing VE and we are all town, mafia would come over to our wagon. Lucky marv has a brain. The fact you and JAT push 3 people on that Oats wagon is simply ridiculous. That you dont attackbeachvother over this but just fill this thread with this nonsense is too much for me. Is this nonsense in the room with us now? | ||
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On March 15 2024 04:41 CopCake wrote: I want to believe VE would have gone berserker mode lol He wasn't going to. I've played with VE as town when he tries, multiple times. I don't know why he didn't want to play this game. He was just demotivated for some reason. | ||
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On March 15 2024 05:55 iamperfection wrote: Palmar can you give a full read on me. An actual read. I want the whole filter read. I'm not sure that is what I want to spend the rest of the day on. You're not really in any danger of being lynched today so I feel like I can do more useful stuff. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:32 Koshi wrote: It's fine. I am always insufferable so the only ones that loses will be the people playing with us. You truly are. You've convinced yourself of some bullshit reads based on stupid analysis of who can be mafia together. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote: The only other team possible is somewhere Jealous/Rels/MZ. If DP/Vivax/iamp trust Palmar/JAT I would lynch there. CC does not fit within those 3 names because they all 3 bussed CC then. That's pretty much the exact team I'm working on, but obviously I have some concerns. I don't know a lot of jat's work sounds kinda town today. I hate that he had to be wagoned to get there but it's whatever. What IS clear to me is that those three along with dmb are the people who have just... not done anything today. Today is by far the most important and interesting day we've had since day 1. None of them did anything really on day 1 either. Like if we simply go by "who was loudest today", which is a stupid, but possibly valid analysis, it really needs to eliminate pretty much everyone else in the game but those 4. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:44 Vivax wrote: DP is suspicious here not gonna lie. Why is he fighting JAT + Palmar wagons so hard. Because at least half of them, and possibly both, are terrible wagons. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote: I can have a look. I might have missed it while filtering. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28160192 https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28160194 https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28160200 https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28160202 First and last ones are important. The other are just kinda funny because I started writing that post "So rels is town because... " and ended up concluding he's not. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:49 Vivax wrote: You're voting one it can't be both from your POV I kinda thought I was clear I was waffling on jat now. I'll unvote if it helps you. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:50 iamperfection wrote: Palmar please help me can you do an actual full read of me. Why? Like I am quite possibly going to die here tonight. Seems doing a massive filter read is a waste of time... | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:52 iamperfection wrote: it will help me to determine if your town or not then you wont die if your town. I'm not mafia, does this help? If I'm mafia I'm just gonna read your filter, find a few smart posts, which you've definitely made, call you possibly town for it because it jives. Maybe dig up a marv or sandro endorsement or something, follow up with a DP endorsement and say that while I can't be sure I think iamp probably looks town. Still hate the fact that you don't know what a policy lynch is as a good joke in the end to keep it light. So let's just pretend I did that. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote: The euros are all about to fuck off though right? I'm not staying for deadlines this game. I did it occasionally in the last one. As I said to hapa on day 1, if I'm going to enjoy playing mafia here, I need to accept that I can't be 100% on 100% of the time and just allow myself to take shortcuts and not care all that much. But I have a little while, it's only 10pm my time. Don't tell dmb that though. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:56 iamperfection wrote: But i have felt thats what you have been doing lol the second paragraph. I feel like you have been sideways calling me mafia with no real good reason. I feel like you really haven't read my entire filter. Cool, I haven't. Excellent conclusion. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:57 DarthPunk wrote: The problem with cake is that she is so insanely hard to lynch that it might just end up getting palmar lynched trying to go for her. Even though I think she is the best shot at mafia flipping this phase. Here's the thing. I am absolutely in the "CC almost can't be mafia because these antics are just so ridiculous" camp. Is the case against her just "let's kill her because I'm going to believe she is better than this?" | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:04 justanothertownie wrote: I agree that addition is a bit weird. But why write that as mafia? Why write it as town? Like he's essentially agreeing that if his scumread is right he is mafia. Like how does that make any sense at all? | ||
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1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game 2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch 3) Koshi made a towncase on her 4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king I figured I'd have more so 4 will do. | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:07 CopCake wrote: It is not martyring, I am fed up. If I am not lynched I am gonna ask for replacement. See this is the shit that makes me want to not lynch her. I can't believe anyone would have enough lack of integrity to do this as mafia. | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:11 Vivax wrote: Most of those who seem to be running around like headless chicken and changing opinions frequently are most likely town. Thanks bro | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote: We don't know who to lynch for sure at this stage that probably just means DP was mafia Rels is tinfoil but somehow DP is fair game? My man... | ||
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On March 14 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote: This is also very weird. You're voting me, so this shouldn't be a concern at all? If you think I'm mafia, you can't really be worried about me flipping town and people going after you. Unless you don't think I'm mafia? But if that's the case why are you voting me? How can lynching your scumread be a setup to lynch you? | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:35 Vivax wrote: And I still have good reason to believe Jealous is mafia so. Who cares about the others if me and JAT agree on one. I actually hate how Jealous has played today, but if DP is telling the truth about how towny Jealous was in that mason QT I'm just riding that. | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:42 DarthPunk wrote: Let’s just lynch him. He is on the borderline of my Poe anyway and it keeps you alive. My town read of you is more certain than my jealous town read. Hopefully if he is town he spews town and we can swap. But if he is town vivax is goi g to mislynch him anyway at some point. And I could be wrong and he could be mafia. Problem is tomorrow is going to be difficult for you if jealous flips town. But you will just have to cross that bridge when you get to it. I'm fine with pressure. I would prefer to not have it, but that is not my choice to make. | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:43 iamperfection wrote: his frustration with cc getting town read for their behavior makes sense if he is mafia. hahaha yeah I did love that. | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:48 Koshi wrote: Superscummers JAT and Palmar win Writhe peasant | ||
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Oh I forgot that. I was just trying to be nice and he made up shit about it. Very rude. | ||
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I am about to head out, but probably going to end up scrolling on phone. I was almost determined to sheep DP, but here I am following an Austrian lunatic. I'm almost certain no one has ever gotten into problems doing that. | ||
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On March 15 2024 08:12 DarthPunk wrote: Palmar cc is lock town now right? No but really yes. | ||
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On March 15 2024 14:22 iamperfection wrote: Palmar mapak jealous rels ? the 3 are in there? -me +dmb | ||
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On March 15 2024 21:50 Vivax wrote: If I had studied harder I could now pretend to treat DPs tear for free and hack his leg off instead. File it under accidents, replace it with the closest plastic replica. I was under the impression you were going to lynch me some mafia? | ||
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On March 16 2024 17:09 justanothertownie wrote: I really hope I am not wrong on Palmar. He does not care at all. This is wrong, I tried really, really hard on D3. But this day it's weekend. The people complaining about me being hard to lynch and yet being too stupid to reach the obvious conclusion that I'm just town, can use this day as an opportunity. I'm glad that my eternal townread of Koshi was correct though. Nevermind that small wavering there when he called me town. | ||
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I think JAT did well under pressure, and despite my eternal annoyance with iamp I don't want to lynch him. Throw in my town circle of Vivax and DP and it becomes a 4 person PoE MZ, Rels, Jealous, dmb Out of those I have had a reason to townread dmb at some point in the game. And while I hate how Rels "feels" in the game I may have gone overboard scumreading him on that one post yesterday. By "feels" I mean that Rels is never, ever in the thick of things. He's always on the periphery and then wades in with some takes that everyone promptly ignores. So I am currently looking at the following lynch pool MZ and Jealous. Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game. At this point I've actually done fairly good dives on jat, Rels, Vivax, and smaller dives on dmb, jealous. I'm never reading DPs filter, and I'm not letting NK wifom change my mind that he's untouchable till lylo. Then MZ and Iamp himself are the people I've not really bothered to filter at all, but based on thread stuff I've assigned them their current rankings in my head. I don't care about finding a "scum team". Today all I want is to murder one of the people who is actually scummy. And to me I think we have at least a 50% if not 100% chance of hitting mafia between those two. | ||
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On March 16 2024 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: are you not going to be around that much then Palmar? Nope, I'll try, but honestly nope. | ||
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On March 16 2024 18:56 DarthPunk wrote: Can I ask you why you never really pursued your reads on Oats and TTS on day one? TTS was never a "read" per se. I noticed he said something like "I'm not going to do anything till day 4" which to me was weird because he expected to be alive by then. But I also recognized it was a very minor thing. He did post though, and I remember someone asking about the difference between hapa and TTS in my views, and that is exactly that. Hapa just straight up left. TTS made some bad posts and left. Trfel made some decent posts and left. I considered them all vigi targets/possible policy lynches on day 1/night 1, but obviously each situation is different. I can't claim I "caught" TTS, he was just mafia by measurable heuristics. Regarding Oats, and I know this isn't going to sound great for me. I didn't do great on the scumhunting part in the last game I played. It's been like 4 years since I played mafia, and I lynched HF despite the fact I should've known better, and it took me a long time to find both dmb and rayn. I essentially had to rely on marv bailing me out of a lynch, and then on cooperation with sandroba that I should've seen as town much earlier to finish the game. Yes, I got around to voting only mafia for the last few days, but it took me longer than expected. So, this game, and this is still the case, and I really need a smaller game to clear my head a bit, my confidence has been shaken a little bit. Just look at the lack of "fuck you, you're mafia" I've done this game. I'm genuinely not sure on anything. So coming back to Oats, I made a really, really good point that should obviously point to the dude being mafia. The point being that Oats announced a run for mayor, and then never, ever tried to follow through with it at all. And it's not just that he didn't follow through, it's how he didn't. His play devolved into questions and comments about other people. I would've forgiven it if his eye caught something interesting to chase, but he just said "I wanna be mayor" and then started looking for other random shit to comment on. But alas, Koshi, who I strongly believed was town at the time, and through most of the game, started berating me for calling Oats scum and pointed out my case was just based on one thing. So I kinda dropped it then. Then I fully moved Oats into the town column when he actually made a great, but obviously NAI point about me posting really townie shit and marv still being obstinate about it. Of course marv would come around later, but the fact that Oats saw it first just let him right into my pocket, a position he rode till death. | ||
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I don't think he was. Like despite all his ridiculous antics he was always at least an associate, if not a full member of my towncircle. | ||
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On March 16 2024 11:22 DarthPunk wrote: Im not sure Palmar is mafia, but I am not defending him anymore either. I will view the case on its merits. If Palmar is mafia it makes sense to keep me around using my thread pull to defend him. That's ok, I don't really need you to defend me. But you need to remember that you thought I was town based on things I did (posting) and you're wavering on things the mafia did (nk). I can't control the mafia NK, so the situation that comes from it is what it is. All I can do is continue posting. | ||
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On March 16 2024 12:11 iamperfection wrote: Maybe meapak cant be with palmar with this post. Oh I completely forgot I actually told MZ that I was doing it for the lulz. Remember the vote isn't even close when I did it. That looks better for me, thanks MZ. | ||
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On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote: I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. | ||
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I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did. But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now. I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys | ||
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On March 16 2024 19:36 DarthPunk wrote: Chance of her being unsatisfied traitor 20%, 80% pity and game purity. I was kinda happy with just letting her live and calling the game invalid if she mafia. But whatever. | ||
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On March 17 2024 05:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm voting Palmar now, I think Jealous is prepping a defense of him which looks bad but Palmar has still done jack shit and I'm gonna honor the Koshi reads. Hey Mz. You actually know me well enough. Do you stand by the statement that I have done “jack shit” on day 4? And now on day 5. Do you believe that me playing less on a weekend is alignment indicative? | ||
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On March 17 2024 05:48 Jealous wrote: Overall I'd say that MZ looks more townie in the mason chat alone, though it wouldn't be too hard to fake that and leading off with a TR does feel a little awkward unprompted IMO. Kinda like you're buttering him up, which I think is possible as both SvT and TvS and TvT for that matter, so really goes back to my thinking that it is NAI or WIFOM at best. Palmar just looks wholly disinterested which I think leans slightly more scummy overall but that is WIFOM too, I imagine scum would in general at least try to look interested. If he truly thinks they are stupid then it's NAI, it would have to be a belief that he has in a vacuum outside of this specific game. I guess if anyone has masoned before with Palmar outside of Slam, now would be a good time to compare that to previous occurrences to see if there is some inconsistency there. And you too. I am very interested in this game. I’m one of like the top 3 players in terms of games played and this may be the longest filter I’ve ever produced. I am very interested in the game. No idea why people feel comfortable pushing the idea I’m not interested or haven’t done stuff. If you wanna push that I’ve been wrong or that I’ve been unsure or flip floppy or whatever that’s fine. But I am absolutely interested | ||
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On March 17 2024 06:30 Jealous wrote: This post was about the Mason chat. I think you will agree with me that you looked wholly disinterested there. I don’t see the point in mason chats. Go read last game or even a little exchange I had with Marv this game for confirmation | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:06 justanothertownie wrote: Cool in the sense of cool or in the sense of you/your property are in danger? Stay safe.. No it’s all good 40km away from me. Had one during the last game as well | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Brother your lynch pool is the entire game that isn't confirmed town. Like that's not saying much. No this just means you haven’t read my filter. My current lynch pool is you, jealous, real and dmb. That’s like 4 out of 9 | ||
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On March 16 2024 18:53 Palmar wrote: I'm not caught up since the night, so my current view of the game has not shifted at all. I think JAT did well under pressure, and despite my eternal annoyance with iamp I don't want to lynch him. Throw in my town circle of Vivax and DP and it becomes a 4 person PoE MZ, Rels, Jealous, dmb Out of those I have had a reason to townread dmb at some point in the game. And while I hate how Rels "feels" in the game I may have gone overboard scumreading him on that one post yesterday. By "feels" I mean that Rels is never, ever in the thick of things. He's always on the periphery and then wades in with some takes that everyone promptly ignores. So I am currently looking at the following lynch pool MZ and Jealous. Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game. At this point I've actually done fairly good dives on jat, Rels, Vivax, and smaller dives on dmb, jealous. I'm never reading DPs filter, and I'm not letting NK wifom change my mind that he's untouchable till lylo. Then MZ and Iamp himself are the people I've not really bothered to filter at all, but based on thread stuff I've assigned them their current rankings in my head. I don't care about finding a "scum team". Today all I want is to murder one of the people who is actually scummy. And to me I think we have at least a 50% if not 100% chance of hitting mafia between those two. | ||
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I am absolutely certain there is at least 2 mafia in this pool. But I really want to hit one today. My instinct is to go jealous But I’m just not certain. | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: 5 of 9 is you 6 and 7 of 9 are DP and Vivax You've dropped (for now) your scumreads of JAT/Rels despite calling them scum multiple times yesterday with not a lot of progression between them. I know what's in your filter, I've spent a decent amount of time in it today and throughout the last few days. Jat is safe because big cases and I’m stupid. I haven’t dropped rels. But the dude is just always right. | ||
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Repeated this several times. Yes I have some reasons to think you’re not mafia. | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I already quoted this post earlier today and pointed out you're not really doing anything to get either Jealous or I lynched, you're just waiting around for the confirmed town folks to pick a direction and push. Jealous's saving grace rn is that I'm not confident you would put a scumbuddy next to me, giving vivax or DP a 50% chance on where to push, especially since Vivax is already all over Jealous. Yeah. Don’t know who I want to lynch, so not really pushing anything now. | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:17 iamperfection wrote: did you read what i said about the day 2 vote count palmar? No Care to link? | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: But you haven't pushed anyone the entire game lmfao, this isn't anything new. Also I just saw you "haven't dropped Rels" So really your pool is 5-9? You're like a leaf blowing in the wind. Wait am I retarded and can’t count? I’m thinking of killing you/jealous/rels/dmb. And I’m not killing jat/iamp/vivax/dp ? | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:20 Vivax wrote: You got your game integrity now give town a scum lynch Love sassy Vivian | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Are you talking about Palmar or Jealous? If for some reason Palmar is not a viable lynch at the end of the day I will 100% be voting Jealous, I just think Palmar is much more likely to be scum and also gives us more information on Jealous/Jat/maybe Rels. A scum Palmar will reinforce my sheeping of Koshi's reads and I'll be looking back at JAT as well as Jealous. But I told you in our secret qt I’m not mafia | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It feels like you're just trolling at this point. I'm gonna go find some food and not stare at this forum for a bit. Weird take. I am known for being extremely serious at all times and never having fun in mafia games. | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:36 Jealous wrote: Anyway, to switch to something more "productive," the more MZ posts and interacts with Palmar - who was also on VE - the more I am liking MZ over Palmar. Palmar also only seems to wake up when he is under pressure. He was already near the top of the scum list for me before this. During the previous day cycle he said he was going to come after people who scum read him with questions and was going to step it up a notch. He never did. ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar But I did? Bad take. | ||
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You’re right. It’s a slam specific thing. | ||
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Gonna vote you for this bad take now. Your chance of redemption is to do a post count analysis of day 4. Go forth and do my bidding | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:57 Jealous wrote: I should really stop supplying excuses for the people I am questioning What about the D2 VE vote? Can you walk me through your thought process there? My analysis is in the thread. The best thing to do was vote Oats. Then I did the opposite because I’m a moron | ||
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On March 17 2024 08:05 Jealous wrote: While "I'm a moron" in this context is probably true, what I asked for is a thought process, because even morons have those. They just usually aren't good. Can you link me to this analysis? Maybe tomorrow. It’s there in my filter but I’m just phone posting now so not gonna bother looking it up. | ||
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On March 17 2024 08:03 Jealous wrote: Nah. Post count doesn't equal value. You have several hundred one-liners in your filter that aren't worth the server space they occupy. You're not unique in this FWIW. Just saying I'm not running a fool's errand when I already read your filter and found you to be largely non-committal. I don't need to consume the same stale dish twice to know i don't like it. Rude. | ||
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Yeah I have no problem believing what all the mafia was on oats. They know he’s red checked and know he’s mafia so why not get credit? Mafia plays self preservation game | ||
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On March 17 2024 08:18 Vivax wrote: He's repeatedly brought up people just for being wrong on someone. See Koshi in the night. We can't let a guy win cause he uses scripts to generate post links and iamp believes it's by hand. You think Jealous is an AI? | ||
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On March 17 2024 08:22 Vivax wrote: No I think he just clicks posts with an extension or something similar and gets a link to them. Not excluding some of his content may be AI generated. Very suspicious | ||
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On March 17 2024 08:27 Jealous wrote: on the contrary I think it’s hilarious I think that trying to argue that I don't write my own posts js pretty fucked up tbh. | ||
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On March 17 2024 19:04 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway what do you think of my case am I wrong to have flipped my read here? Yep | ||
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On March 17 2024 20:12 iamperfection wrote: No I don't think your wrong. Vivax what do you think. Jealous first right? Hmmm | ||
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On March 17 2024 18:04 justanothertownie wrote: The point about switching mafia reads to townreads when town reading him is a theme for sure though. You can add me to the list. Hot pockets | ||
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Cant help but notice that this is a greedy post. If I’m wrong and jealous is town this is just setting up mafia victory. | ||
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This is a townie trait btw. Mafia doesn’t do this because switching reads is hard. I have spent this entire game being called mafia for stupid reasons. Knowing I’m town it’s really easy to draw the line from “he’s calling me mafia for stupid reasons” to “he’s mafia.” And then conversely it’s easy to think “hey he’s actually reading the thread and seeing the obvious so town”. | ||
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I think jealous, by Poe and by some traits has a good chance of flipping mafia. Possibly the best we have today. Of course I know DP is wrong on me. | ||
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My list from townie to scummy goes like this at the moment Palmar DarthPunk Vivax Iamp JAT Rels MZ Jealous DMB I understand this is yet another revision of what I'm thinking about but I'll give short explanations. DP is immune to lylo. Have fun wifoming yourselves tomorrow. He's probably town though because he's made a lot of sense. His play has been good but the dude really needs to post less. The game is completely unreadable to the benefit of mafia. Vivax is what it is. We didn't policy him on day 1, so we just hope he's town. Iamp should be lower for being an obstinate ass, and having lots of weird takes, but I guess by PoE he needs to be this far up the list. I'm mostly just riding old townie reads on him, and there's also the bit where he occasionally actually spends some time critically thinking about the game and makes good points. Another fun wifom target for tomorrow! JAT: should be lower as well, but people aren't making this easy. Had to be forced into actually making takes and not just kinda existing in the thread. When the pressure is off he's right back to his pointless commentary on the game and how it's going. But some of his takes were actually pretty good and I'm also pocketed. MZ: No thread presence at all. MZ writes likeable posts, but he does nothing. I'm not even sure he shouldn't be at the bottom of this just for that, but the guy is just nice. The one thing keeping him out of the doghouse is the fact that he masoned me on day 2. Very risky to do if you're mafia, he doesn't know I'm not gonna engage. Rels: I really, really hated that take where he ignored his own conclusion from the MZ case to basically call himself town when I flip town. Remember that this isn't true when I flip town. He has absolutely no thread presence, and has been very lightly involved in the game. JAT and Iamp basically get to be as high as they are based on the fact that at least they're taking part in the game. Rels has been correct on everything this game, except his weird tunnel on me all game. He came on really, really strong back on day 1. I remember hating his entrance because he had basically not posted anything at all and then started spewing bunch of bullshit about how I was talking to marv, without ever thinking about just asking marv if it was weird or not. Tip: it was not. Then he just kinda accepted that I didn't give a shit about him or his takes and was happy being a non-factor. Jealous: Of the people near the bottom of my list, this guy has the most thread presence. He has had a few weird takes throughout the game, the one I noticed the most is the frustration regarding CCs self vote. Essentially he was mad that we were accepting it for what it was. While obviously I was fuming at CCs refusal to play the game, unlike Jealous, I was willing to accept what it actually meant, stupid as it was. I think Jealous is smart, so this was to me a very noticeable discrepancy. Even someone like DP was more in the camp of my reaction, same with iamp. Another thing about Jealous is that despite having higher thread presence than the people above him, he has this playstyle where he kinda barges in with a bunch of takes, and then just leaves. It doesn't feel like he's molding the thread to his reads at all. Sorry... gotta go, will finish with DMB and some defense of myself later. | ||
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On March 18 2024 00:35 Jealous wrote: This is a scum tell IMO. Mostly because he just absorbed the verbiage I used against DMB just a few pages ago and tried to use it against me. That's not a person formulating their own opinion, it's a person manufacturing an opinion by stringing together words they saw recently. I'm phone posting so not checking filters now but I am fairly sure Palmar has not said the words "barges in" even once this game, but just so happens to do so right after I do? As if I read your post lol | ||
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On March 18 2024 01:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wtf are you on about now? I was flying the day cop got lynched, my vote was on Palmar, someone who is actually probably scum unlike cop who was obviously town. Don't get all whiney with me for that, just I was responsible for following you off of oats, you're responsible for you own vote on Cop. Like why even bring this up? But I’m not mafia man | ||
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On March 18 2024 01:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Check out the scum who knows he's not gonna get lynched so he can just coast along and troll. Probably gonna get lynched. Smart to do it on weekend. Genuinely not here to defend or do anything useful with it. I kinda think game may be irrecoverable after today, which makes the cop lynch so bad. | ||
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She has been perfectly happy letting town lynch itself and doing nothing. | ||
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On March 18 2024 01:24 die_meatbaby wrote: dp is scum and gunssmith give actually scum a gun. Dp took his chance for townreads to shoot the non active mafia member Even if you think this it’s not the part we need right now. Goes for you too Vivax. If DP is mafia today is about lynching one of his two teammates. Not him. Any real talk of it just takes space in the thread and should be saved for the night. For the record, I don’t think he’s mafia | ||
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On March 18 2024 01:25 die_meatbaby wrote: I thought you read me as scum because you were counting how often i use the word fuck. No that lead nowhere. | ||
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On March 18 2024 01:24 Vivax wrote: She's a noob though. Less than our hundreds of games. Do you think dmb is town? | ||
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On March 18 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Vivax I really would love to hear your scum team. What’s yours? | ||
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On March 18 2024 01:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If we don't lynch you today, you're just gonna coast and win the game, I'm starting to accept that reality. Not afraid the other two won’t do the same? | ||
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On March 18 2024 01:40 Vivax wrote: It doesn't matter what we do DP is never dying today Truth Also probably shouldn’t die ever. | ||
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On March 18 2024 03:47 justanothertownie wrote: I really think you should take a step back and stop assuming townies would intentionally sabotage you to make mafia win. That is very unlikely. DP is either town and tries his best to lynch mafia in Palmar. Or he is mafia and tries to mislynch Palmar. I don't think a bus is likely here. Look this jat leaving out the obvious and correct 4th option | ||
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On March 18 2024 05:03 die_meatbaby wrote: Why that he is still alive after this much townreads.... just make sense Doesn’t matter. You can’t lynch him today. This is just wifom bullshit and you know it. Even if he’s the scummiest scum and you’re the towniest town, you’re helping mafia by throwing your townie vote on a nothingburger, this proportionally increasing mafia influence over the lynch. Which is why your vote is anti town at best and scummy at worst | ||
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On March 18 2024 05:45 Jealous wrote: EBWOP: People who have not even once voted for scum: 1) raynpelikoneet killed night 1 5) sandroba killed night 1 6) Trfel lynched day 1 10) Palmar 15) Hapahauli executed day 1 Good towncase on me. | ||
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On March 18 2024 05:58 justanothertownie wrote: That list is impressively short. I am not sure these statistics are very helpful without context though. And did you draw any conclusions from the vote counts by now? And people are surprised I’ve been distracted by all the bullshit scumreads lol | ||
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On March 18 2024 06:06 Jealous wrote: I think Palmar + DMB could be a thing. I get lynched, DMB has their hands clean because they didn't help ML a townie while effectively saving Palmar with a non-vote. Can't work out if that makes Vivax impossible as the 3rd or if it's still possible. Don't think it can be DP because DMB has been constantly reminding us that he could be scum who shot TTS for town cred. If you die and flip town I promise to vote dmb | ||
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When I’m not certain I do this ordered list thing I’m doing. | ||
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On March 18 2024 06:34 DarthPunk wrote: I am policy lynching anyone who claims blue day one forever after this game. I have regrets about our choice of mayor, vivax’s is just rabid about this jealous lynch and it has clouded his ability to think rationally today. I mean you can't really complain about irrational thinking when you're trying to murder a townie. Murdering me on a weekend is like double rude. | ||
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But really, just based on what's going on recently there are 2 really good points to call him mafia. 1) the cc thing where he gets mad over us townreading her for her shenanigans. 2) the fact that even if I used a phrase that he had used before, how is that scummy? We all get influenced by the stuff around us all the time, and it's not alignment indicative. | ||
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On March 18 2024 06:39 DarthPunk wrote: Well I think it was a good case and you said you would defend yourself. I’m more interested in your dmb case though. I was never going to case her, just gonna do the same as with everyone else. I just literally had to stand up and leave my computer right there. The entire case against her is really simple. If I make a list of how effective/influential/loud/central people that are alive have been over the course of the game, she is right at the bottom of that list. The current list goes something like: DP Vivax Palmar Iamp Jat Jealous Rels MZ DMB Mafia really likes to hide in the lower tiers of these kind of lists. I'm not necessarily saying being high up means you've played well or anything like that. The main reason I'm so high up is that everyone and their mothers have been trying to murder me all game (thanks jealous for proving it). But I've at least been there to respond and continue developing my stuff. I think this is a valid way to reach a PoE, which is how I'm approaching the game. in a 6v3, if I can eliminte even just 2 townies I'm at 50% chance of voting mafia. If I eliminate 2 more I'm at like 75% chance of hitting mafia. That's how I'm approaching the game. I know I can be wrong on jealous, I can't prove he's mafia, he's played well if he is. He's actually played ok if he's town as well. I'll go read your case on me and do a defense thing | ||
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On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote: Pocketing strong townies: The first thing that made me think I was being hard pocketed by palmar was the fact that his progression on his read on me entirely oriented around his own survival day one. For example, Palmar does this thing that struck me as odd at the time, where despite having the most posts in the game by far on day 1, he says I am null and he has only read me in context of other players. The thing that struck me at the time was that he was commenting on my alingment without reading my filter, but that is not really the issue here. Not really a weird thing. I have still not read MZ, yours or Iamp's entire filter. That's just not how I play this game, especially one as spammy as this one. I join the thread, post a little to kinda announce I'm here, and talk to whoever about whatever I feel like at the time. Occasionally I will go find something specific from someone's filter from earlier, or read some interactions or whatever. But I'm not diving entire filters at a time. I don't think that's all that valuable. Additionally, I had noticed you posting a lot, and decided to just call you null until I had a better read of the situation. On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote: The issue is that his read on me was almost entirely turned around by the fact that I defended him from a lynch day one. + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2024 22:25 Palmar wrote: DP is a null, but I've only read his posts in the context of reading other players. I did like him calling out iamperfection for being wrong about how to deal with Vivax (I'm reading Vivax right now). But some of his other stuff that I've seen has been decidedly meh. Problem is, he has posted so goddamn much I don't even know what I should read of his postings. I guess I'll go find a list post or something. But he should maybe just be off the table today just because he has a long filter. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: As for other people. I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax. I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread. iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment. DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes. TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out. I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen. rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems. Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other. MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. On March 06 2024 07:16 Palmar wrote: Btw, yes I know I'm biased because I'm being defended. But this is EXTREMELY good reasoning for me being town. The bolded stuff, that is. I don't agree with his other points. I can do well as scum and I would probably never fakeclaim anything as mafia on day 1. I'm mostly emphasizing this because it makes DP look really, really good. He's not just correct about my alignment, he is correct for (mostly) the right reasons. On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote: Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. I stand by what I wrote there. I didn't just think you were town for calling me town. I thought your reasoning behind it was really, really solid. I think it's obvious by now that I get very, very distracted by people trying to kill me. This causes me to overemphasize their interactions with and about me heavily. I try not to get pocketed, but the more stupid scumreads I get the higher the chance that a pocket attempt is mistaken for a reasonable townread. The more I read and saw of your posting the more I liked it. The trick to differentiating between pocketing attempts and townreads is to look at whether or not the reasoning is something you agree with. In your case, I did, and I talked about it. On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote: This also happened with marv: + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote: Marv is very, very, very likely to be mafia. I already didn't love his stance on the Vivax thing and his tone in the thread. Then this line of thinking is really what's sealing the deal. This isn't a valid complaint. I'm not gonna call marv bad when he votes for me. In fact, I kinda understand why he voted for me early on. I had done very little as I was busy yesterday. Today I produced a long filter with all kinds of reads and explanations of them and that did absolutely nothing to budge his opinion on me. I don't really know what sandroba thinks of me but he did come back and kinda changed his mind, at least moved off the scumread a little bit. But marv is dug in. He is not this certain about my alignment if he's town. There should be some doubt in him. I actually think Oats looks a lot better for this observation Like this is what I expect people to do who don't just want a kill. I don't think marv is bad, I just think he's scum. And if ANYONE buys this logic with me dead, that person is an infinite moron. This is not true. On March 06 2024 07:18 Palmar wrote: Because I have infinite faith in marv coming around. 2-3 hours ago I didn't actually think I was going to be killed. I NEED to pre-empt the "well he was playing like mafia" bullshit and "I would never call him mafia as scum because it's risky cause people think I'm the Palmar oracle" that he has already posted in the thread. If I do get lynched this needs to be in the thread. That's why I'm pointing it out now. On March 06 2024 08:39 Palmar wrote: Btw marv backing off means I retract the 100% scum when I flip town thing. I saw the mafia greedily considering a NK on me to make marv look bad and I successfully protected town from their machinations. Doesn't make marv town, just not lock scum. Weird marv progression by palmar, entirely tied to his survival and marvs stance on him. Marv and Palmar have a history as well, so all the expectations that palmar has on marv for being correct the same should work the other way. On March 07 2024 00:17 Palmar wrote: You know, if sandro says marv is town, I'll happily accept that and hold on to further shadethrowing in that direction. Makes the game a lot easier for me if I just assume the two of you are town and work from there. Palmar calls marv mafia out of the blue because marv is trying to lynch palmar, marv stops trying to lynch palmar then palmar happily flips his read citing Sandro. I find this highly problematic for Town!Palmar, he is townreading and pocketing strong players when they call him town, and scum reading them when they call him mafia. If he was actually town I would expect him to be more agentic in his reads and the prosecution of a scum hunting agenda. So marv is a special case. I think it's pretty well known that we like each other and talk about the game quite a bit. We have pretty reasonable expectations of each other. So, the entire thing is, I felt like my contributions on day 1 were pretty solid, but then marv started calling me mafia. I was very unsure about how to react to that, but decided to just kinda say nothing about him and continue posting. This being a special case I'm expecting marv to turn around. Then, later on day 1, I start worrying about getting lynched, and that changes everything. Town marv never, ever, ever pushes for me to be killed on day 1 unless he is absolutely 100% certain that I am scum. Marv likes playing with me and knows that I'm not just going to fuck off and not play. While I can forgive marv being unsure about my alignment, the fact that he only lynches me day 1 when he is 100% certain I'm mafia, coupled with the fact that I'm not mafia, I start preparing to get murdered by calling him out. Remember though, the whole "marv is mafia" is based on two things. 1) marv never lynches d1 me unless 100% certain and 2) marv is good enough to not be 100% certainly wrong about my alignment. He can think I MAY BE mafia, but he can't say I'm absolutely certainly mafia when I'm town. So when he stops lynching me, that means he no longer thinks I'm 100% mafia, so the discrepancy to expected behavior immediately disappears. And at that point I had figured out Sandro was probably town, and I'm really, really happy to defer to sandro. This is not how things work with other people. I expect Town Koshi to think I'm mafia wrongly all game every game because he's Koshi. On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote: Which brings me to my second set of problems. Interactions with flipped mafia: Palmar 'scumreads' TTS day one for basically his first set of posts, but also undermines the read here: + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote: Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something. Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy. But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Calls for his PLynch here: + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: As for other people. I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax. I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread. iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment. DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes. TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out. I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen. rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems. Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other. MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. Again calls for a lynch buried in other townies here: + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote: This is just random and for post-game purposes. We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective). 1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question 2) TTS - Complete inactivity 3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia 4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. On March 07 2024 01:22 Palmar wrote: Because he and Trfel are different. I liked Trfel's posts, but just dropping the game and fucking off is a lynchable offense. I didn't like TTSs posts. Note that I haven't revisited TTS at all this night, so that list may be out of date, although I can't remember him posting. A policy lynch is a lynch suggestion that is independent of perceived alignment, but rather based on a policy of expected town behavior. TTS could fit into both categories (policy lynch a lurker and lynching him for bad posting) but obviously when combined he goes into the scum pool. This is why I'm joking around with you seeing a contradiction in saying Trfel is a policy lynch candidate (or really, a vig target candidate) and then saying I actually think his posts look townie. If you think that's a problem, then you just don't know what a policy lynch is. This post is way weird and over the top. He goes in at length to talk about why TTS is mafia and not a policy lynch, but has not pushed him as a viable candidate at all. It's purely distancing, he wants to get credit for calling TTS mafia, but he doesn't actually want to pursue the 'read' + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2024 19:12 Palmar wrote: TTS was never a "read" per se. I noticed he said something like "I'm not going to do anything till day 4" which to me was weird because he expected to be alive by then. But I also recognized it was a very minor thing. He did post though, and I remember someone asking about the difference between hapa and TTS in my views, and that is exactly that. Hapa just straight up left. TTS made some bad posts and left. Trfel made some decent posts and left. I considered them all vigi targets/possible policy lynches on day 1/night 1, but obviously each situation is different. I can't claim I "caught" TTS, he was just mafia by measurable heuristics. This response last night should have pinged me more, basically he is saying that someone was not a scum read (untrue by his own words) and was just mafia by heuristics (how is this different to a scum read?) and therefore didn't need to pursue the read he had on mafia day one? Thats just fucking mafia gymnastics right there. I'm not really following this point, I think you wanted me to push TTS harder? Which would really only be applicable on day 1 since day 2 was a different scenario. Like I'm confounded by the entire thing. You even quote iamperfection's thing where I was trying to explain to him what a policy lynch is. Do you now not know what it is? The last post explains it pretty well. I didn't love TTS' early posting, but had no real way of making a case or proving he's mafia. Additionally there is only one person to be killed per day, so I was perfectly happy pointing out his uselessness and calling for a vigi shot on him. The post you say is "over the top" is to me extremely, extremely readable and simple. Trfel makes posts I don't hate and lurks -> policy lynch TTS makes posts I kinda dislike and lurks -> policy lynch or mafia, and he gets the worse treatment of the two Like is this a hard difference? I explained pretty well back on day 1 that I had no faith Trfel would flip mafia. I never thought TTS was the primary lynch for the day, and I can only push one thing at a time. I even went so far as to explain that I hadn't caught him. I guess... I'm sorry for calling mafia maybe mafia? On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote: For someone who if town, is not confident in his reads enough to pursue them in any fashion whatsoever, he is confident enough to NOT LYNCH A RED CHECK ON DAY 2. Just mafia. I kinda deleted the whole Oats thing because we've talked about it ad nauseum. I got pocketed by his reasonableness in an unreasonable town and fucked up. Sorry about that. And I did just vote VE for the lulz, when I did it it was really far from actually changing anything and I didn't expect it too. Read my posting on that day, it flies straight in the face of the voting. I know that doesn't look great for me, but conversely, try to explain why scum!Palmar would do that, KNOWING oats flips red. I stand by my analysis that mafia is far more afraid of doing dumb shit like that. On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote: Now we get to META Basically my analysis of palmars play in this game vs his last game is town is as follows: This game: 1.) not agentic in pursuing mafia reads 2.) self awareness of stylistic differences and explaining them away. 3.) referencing a lack of confidence to excuse scummy things away. Last game: 1.) very confident and forceful in scumhunting 2.) leads wagon on vivax and pushes hard for his lynch choices. 3.)extreme levels of confidence and arrogance. 1) yeah, I'm sheeping good townies more. I think that's a valid strategy and have in the past advocated regularly that being a good sheeping townie is a really good thing to be. 2) yes? Would it be less weird if I didn't know I'm playing differently? Last game was a comeback game after years of not playing mafia. This is just a game. 3) yeah, sorry, see below... 1) Yes, and I murdered town and ignored scum. It took an entire rip out of my mindset to just get back to level. I did it, and I'm actually really proud of overcoming that tunnel part, but it still left me less sure. 2) yep, I have less control of town. Additionally, I wasn't being called mafia as much by everyone and their mother early in that game. 3) That's a good way to get your shit down. Not necessary when I'm more sheeping people. Also I'm working hard on trying to be a little nicer in mafia games. I know I can be abrasive at points. On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote: From Town!palmars own analysis last game + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2023 18:15 Palmar wrote: Some other random thoughts. HF slides a little towards scummy Still think DMB is more likely to be town There is a world where we need to attack Koshi and HF just to get them to do something. Shooting Chez is a good idea if we have a vigilante. He's never going to reveal his alignment through analysis. Checking into the less useful good players (marv, rayn, HF) Another thing, I think this list is important. From most to least influential day 1 town play (disregarding some of the bits I haven't caught up on from last night): Palmar DP Trfel Marv Koshi DMB Rayn Sandroba HF Slam Chezinu Aside from the trolls (bottom 2) I think it's somewhat important to think about how much people actually tried to get shit done on day 1. This is not a "bottom mafia, top town" list, but rather an indicator on how much I think people tried to get their vision of the game done in the game on day 1. Mafia likes to not be the initiating factor in town, but rather just follow along. On December 13 2023 06:59 Palmar wrote: Isn't that clear? Obviously the primary contributor to the day is the person who got his choice of lynch killed. I didn't say it was necessarily a positive contribution. The list is based on how hard and successfully people pushed their ideas in the thread You know mafia likes to sheep more than they like to lead. It's an important list, but only as extra evidence. No one got more shit done on day 1 than me. Doesn't really matter if I'm right or wrong. I will allow you to call me bad for keeping him alive thus far, but I am redeeming myself in the end, it is impossible he is not mafia in this spot. He will certainly have a very confident and persuasive defense. but to paraphrase the great man himself: Judge him on the things that he did or failed to do this game. Hey the one good news is that because I'm not doing as much this game, my defense isn't all that hard to ignore as you stubbornly drive straight into the brick wall. On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote: In the words of our fallen town heroes: And in the words of even better fallen town heroes: On March 06 2024 22:46 sandroba wrote: Nah, I'm not seeing mafia Palmar, he is making too much sense. I think mafia Palmar would be more agenda driven at this point and backing some of the bad interpretations being proposed. Instead he is aligning himself with people I think are town, reading the game in the correct way and improving the direction discussion is going. All pro town things, doesn't make sense to go after him at this point. You go with your guys, I'll go with mine. Let's see who picked a better team! | ||
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On March 18 2024 07:10 Jealous wrote: Putting yourself so high because a lot of other people suspected you of being scum at some point is hilarious. How does that make you townie? Doesn't that just make you scummy? Let's talk facts. Only one of your votes has resulted in a lynch, and it was a mislynch on day 1. In terms of impact on the game, it would be hard to find anyone still alive who has stood out so little in terms of actual outcomes. In fact, never being on a wagon that results in a lynch is arguably pretty suspicious in and of itself. As far as DMB goes, I agree that their impact in the thread has been limited. Unfortunately, they are also basically CopCake 2.0. It's not a townie -> scummy list... Maybe read? | ||
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On March 18 2024 07:06 DarthPunk wrote: Is this the entire argument against dmb. I would love to see you make a post you can only make as town tbh. And this is not that. Yeah, not big on cases at the moment. Feels a bit out of fashion | ||
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On March 18 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote: You seemed happy when copcake got lynched, maybe a bit agitated. DP making me vote her and then abusing my trust infuriates me. I gave my trust when I killed Hapa, and when I voted copcake. But I get nothing back. Maybe then you can understand why it is so important to me that we lynch either you, Rels or DP today. Remember when me and DP ‚mindmelded‘ on Oats early D1? How did that die off ? With the Palmar wagon mostly. Everything in this town dies with people going after poor palmar. Here's a fun fact, Trfel voted me day 1, Oats cased me day 2, VE cased me day 3 and CC cased me day 4. Everyone and their mother thinks I'm mafia. It's really, really hard. | ||
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Not because I think I'm playing well (I'm not) or that it's easy (It's not). It's actually been really hard on occasion to motivate myself to get back to the computer and yet again defend against the mountains of bullshit. But on the other hand, from a community/game perspective, we're dealing with a really solid performance by mafia here. The one really disappointing bit is that our blues absolutely sucked. None of the claims were needed, and now we have no recourse. Just imagine how useful a green or red check would be today? Or maybe JSL is still alive if he doesn't claim gunsmith. Maybe mafia tries to claim it and he knows he can cc if they try. But whatever, it is what it is. We probably concentrated our blue power on day 1 and 2, and since then we've been flying solo. It's been hard. | ||
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On March 18 2024 07:31 DarthPunk wrote: Palmar why do you not question your town read on me if I get you so wrong in that case I made? Why should I? Aren't you happy that I spew you town if I'm mafia? | ||
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On March 18 2024 07:39 DarthPunk wrote: I’m trying to think about you as if you are town. It's really simple. I have thought you are town quite consistently for the longest time. Not everyone that thinks I'm mafia can be scum because then this game would've been like 19v3 or something. So, are you mafia? Based on mechanics, probably not. You did after all shoot a mafia. Now I know you're a bold player so you could actually pull this off as mafia, but even that worry is irrelevant. so mechanics and my read points to > town Maybe you're mafia because of NK? Idk, but I don't really like NK analysis. Mafia this game is making "clever" shots that seem aimed at disrupting town. But it really doesn't even matter, it's just a wifom bomb and I'm going to ignore it. So the one thing that remains is the case? idk. Honestly, this is how town needs to deal with you: Step 1: kill the other 2 mafia. You will always be the last man standing. This serves 2 purposes: 1) It allows more nights with you alive to pass, forcing mafia to repeatedly choose whether to shoot you or not if you're town 2) It gives you time to be as much of a thorn in the side of mafia as humanly possible. You need to MAKE MAFIA SHOOT YOU, or regret it if they don't. Now if you're mafia, none of this changes. Obviously if we KNOW you're mafia we lynch you, but we don't. So we do the best job we can of finding your two teammates, and let you sweat it till lylo, and even in lylo if it's a 4v3 as it will be if I die, then town needs to come together on someone other than you. Your time comes in 2v1, and depending on your alignment, that's when you get to make your case. You have a job now, which is simply to make mafia shoot you. You have time to shine through in that job. | ||
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I stand by my list post from earlier, but I want to throw in a few more things. If mafia isn't just in my bottom like 4, and I miss one, it's probably going to be iamperfection. Remember when I talked about these "mind models" of players, he is the one that has most obviously played outside the model I have of him. In my mind iamp is one of the absolute top players on this forum as town, and he is in the "sane" category of really great players. The "sane" category includes people like sandro, syllo, marv, and iamp, while the "insane" category is also really good players, but they're just weird like hf, koshi, rayn, bugs etc. So I have to either conclude that iamp is capable of pretty irrational tunneling and weirdness, or I have to conclude he's mafia. I can't really decide which is which, and I don't know if I'll have the time. For the purposes of current state I am considering him town, mostly because of stuff like thread activity, the few times I've really agreed with the stuff he says, and the reads of dead townies. I think it's more likely that he flips town, but he needs to be held accountable. | ||
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Palmar DP Vivax iamp jat Rels MZ Jealous DMB Yes I think DMB may be the scummiest person here. I am almost certainly giving a shitty townread to a mafia somewhere in there. Despite the concerns regarding iamp it also may just be jat, or even one of the mechanically "confirmed" players. Sadly that probably won't be my job to deal with. | ||
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On March 18 2024 07:55 DarthPunk wrote: The thing is palmar is that I am really weak to you being smart and reasonable and witty. But I don’t know if that is enough to justify it lynching you when your case is the most tangible lead I have got right now. I am not sure what teams make sense without you. I’m guessing something like Rels/dmb/jealous/mz Yeah but if it consoles you at all, your case is trash. | ||
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On March 18 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote: Like the fact this game is so hard points to someone as mafia who is really reasonable and townie looking who is mafia. I know buddy, I know | ||
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On March 18 2024 08:01 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think you are getting lynched fwiw. Iamp hasn't moved. And even then, unless Jealous is town, mafia can just take this lynch as long as even one of them is reasonably hidden. Like they can sacrifice 2 for 1 here, shut down all discussion for the next 2 cycles as the counterlynches happen, and leave very tired and strategically picked 2 townies left with the best hidden mafia in lylo. It's going to be me or Jealous, and everyone else should vote the same person. It should be 8v1 in either direction because splitting this allows mafia to control the vote. I know it won't happen because people are stubborn egomaniacs, but that would allow town to guarantee the lynch with no bullshit shenanigans. | ||
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I don't think there was anything to be done about the VE lynch, that was always going to happen. | ||
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On March 18 2024 08:04 Vivax wrote: Rels ? Guy with god reads, but absent parked on Palmar. It‘s who you can bribe me with My problem with Rels is that he has godlike reads on everyone but me. I am egocentric, but can I be egocentric enough to think that was his entire damn strategy? Just TMI everything and tunnel me? Him just being town is a simpler explanation. But I can't guarantee it. | ||
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On March 18 2024 08:09 DarthPunk wrote: Well if you are town and I am throwing the game here I’m sorry palmar. I’m heading out for my physio I will be back before the flip From each according to his ability. | ||
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On March 18 2024 08:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: HE'S GIVING YOU THEIR GAME PLAN RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACES LMFAO. This is why I say Palmar first Vivax. w/e I'm not rehashing that discussion again. Rofl | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here. I like a bunch of mafia in: rayn jat rels mz tts then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy vivax trfel hapa then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi None of the lists are in any particular order I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. Throw in the fact that I ended voting on JAT and I had to be bashed out of my Oats scumread by Koshi (before Oats promptly pocketing me :D ). I had a really good day 1, with the only problem, yet again, being called mafia by a bunch of townies. I really, really need to figure out how to get people to call me town. Like... if anyone actually has an idea on what I can improve on here, please share. Can you guys please stop trying to murder me every goddamn game so I can focus on actually playing. On March 18 2024 05:55 Jealous wrote: People who have never once voted for Palmar (except for himself): 12) die_meatbaby 15) Hapahauli executed day 1 18) ToTheStars killed night 2 But yeah, I personally fell into the trap that having no allies can do to you. Through days 3-5 my best allies were... JAT and DP. My play past day 1 was really bad. I ended up basically throwing my keyboard at my screen and becoming stubborn as fuck because rayn decided to not listen to me at all, then after explaining in detail why we should kill Oats I voted VE. I don't really regret the VE vote. It's sad we have to deal with townies not playing, but that's basically how mafia is. The CC lynch the next day was to me the coup that killed it for mafia. I still don't know why we did that. And I'm really unhappy with my own approach of letting DP lead the town too much. I don't question the decision of letting him live. that was mechanically required for a logical game, but there is no reason to let him just take control of the thread like that. I feel like my problem, yet again, was that I was constantly barraged by people wanting to kill me, so I never managed to establish a base of support to actively present a challenge. I had to beg people to vote for JAT on day 4, and those that did were either mafia or thought I was. I'm not making excuses. The #1 responsibility of any townie in a mafia game is to not get lynched. I failed that all important objective and my performance in this game, especially past day 1, was really bad. | ||
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On March 21 2024 19:06 DarthPunk wrote: I genuinely felt bad about lynching you. I would never lynch you as town in that spot. Definitely wasn’t gloating when I apologised, actually felt bad. All good man, you have a performance for the ages this game. Your team was great, but this one is on you. Because while JAT and MZ successfully avoided the pointy end of the stick very well, you were the one that took charge of the thread and repeatedly led town into a terrible direction. It's hard to overstate how impressive this game was. I can't think of a better mafia performance. I'm sure there are a few that rival this one, but it is definitely a HoF/top5 in the history if this site. Edit: Basically, it's one thing to avoid lynches and rely on town making mistakes. What you did here is the next level of mafia play we almost never see. I'm actually kind of looking back through some archives and stuff to find anything similar. There are bound to be some, but this was pretty stellar. | ||
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On March 21 2024 19:16 CopCake wrote: Let’s play paint mafia! Promise to play please. I really did not enjoy the antics on day 4. Self voting, martyring, threatening to be replaced basically amount to cheating. We used to have pretty strict rules about playing against your win condition. I enjoyed the bits of the game when you actually played. I absolutely hated that other part. | ||
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On March 21 2024 19:19 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, it would be great if townies could start reading the op and stop self voting. The dumbtells this game were through the roof. It is really annoying when this is what you have to argue against as mafia. To be fair, dumbtells aren't cheating. It's perfectly legitimate to not read anything. Trick is to not read as mafia either lol | ||
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On March 21 2024 19:26 CopCake wrote: Also I didnt know sharing >~< that rayn was losing it laughing in the other room was - cheating - Yeah I didn't mind that one at all. Probably don't mention it next time, but I didn't read anything into it. | ||
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On March 21 2024 19:25 CopCake wrote: I was planning that regardless of what I roll, I will post less and wait until I get home to play on conputer. That's the thing, as long as you're producing maybe a page or two per cycle, you're doing your job. Just ignore people, that's allowed. What is annoying is getting frustrated with the game and taking it out on the rest of the people actually trying to play and enjoy it. Everyone gets frustrated. I was mad at so many points this game. Trick is just to say "fuck it, I'll try again later" instead of allowing yourself to negatively impact other player's experience. | ||
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