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On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels
This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh.
First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable.
It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn.
At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him
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On March 16 2024 11:22 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:16 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first. Weird post to make. In what world was Koshi more townread than DP? You yourself were having doubts regarding Koshi and none regarding DP last night right? I think he is trying to justify why I am alive? Basically? Like, I feel like breeding mistrust in the top townreads is a valid strategy, but I can see it both ways so it might be WIFOM.
‚Breeding‘
We call it sowing, disseminating, and you were one step away from misspelling it inseminating.
How could you kill JS we were one step away from making this the most lecherous game of all times
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Come dmb, let‘s get a little further away from this creepy man.
Try not to knock over the Australian man with the dick replica prosthesis, looks a tad gangrenous
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Three people drunkposted in this game.
That‘s gotta be it. Town would instantly lose their last braincells so all the drinkers are mafia.
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On March 16 2024 12:50 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 12:45 Vivax wrote:
Three people drunkposted in this game.
That‘s gotta be it. Town would instantly lose their last braincells so all the drinkers are mafia. Should we start do drink as well or even step further with some nazi gangbangs, methballons, dildo drones and some good old Cough syrup from 1940 with a bit of coke in it...
Stop using the N-word ffs
You make it sound more common here than it is
At this rate Austro Gandalf will come from his high tower and censor your posts
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On March 16 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:51 Koshi wrote:
Oh. And the biggest thing on MZ is still his halleluyah moment on Oats. What are hallelujah moments?
You‘d have one if you died in this game I‘d love to show you
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On March 16 2024 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Im not sure Palmar is mafia, but I am not defending him anymore either.
I will view the case on its merits.
If Palmar is mafia it makes sense to keep me around using my thread pull to defend him.
The first sentence sounds terrible.
I could have written that as mafia type of terrible
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On March 16 2024 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 13:09 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Im not sure Palmar is mafia, but I am not defending him anymore either.
I will view the case on its merits.
If Palmar is mafia it makes sense to keep me around using my thread pull to defend him. The first sentence sounds terrible. I could have written that as mafia type of terrible It is what it is, my perspective on the game is really shook up right now.
Have you tried playing while on a chair
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DP you just quintuple posted after sitting down
Think of all the benefits for your team if your leg stayed that way, we could even double your quota
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Enough shitposting though 
Will probably default to Jealous here.
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On March 16 2024 14:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 14:29 Vivax wrote:Enough shitposting though Will probably default to Jealous here. Why a default. Today’s the day to really put the work in. We still have a lot of reading to do.
You think after mislynching VE and Copcake we don‘t owe it to them to cut down that guy walking around here like a christmas tree that demands protection money, breeds discontent and eats people?
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On March 15 2024 13:24 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:38 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter ?????????? Can you expand on this sentence?
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one He did not ask do die. Second On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). -- Intermission--
So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him:
On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target.
Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum.
--"Conclusion"--
I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No.
I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt.
When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum):
Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake
DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy.
PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. You don´t post this as mafia. Like come on that is townie under pressure Really disagree. Posting a big post under pressure near the deadline is not townie specific Okey yes then maybe I should have taken this post more seriously and sorry that I didn´t get how scummy that actually was. But I only had one thing on my mind and that is more personally important than J at the moment. This game takes a lot of time, nerves and energy. If you don't enjoy it anymore. No more energy and always on the verge of being lynched but not lynched. If you always have to defend yourself for 30 pages and therefore can't really try to find scum, then it's really depressing. I want Cake to come back in future games and not give up playing here. I just wanted the best for her, even if it wasn't the best for Town. I rather lose as Town as losing a player for ever Hope you're doing better in obs <3 Hate this. Not in a scummy way, but in a "I signed up for rainbows and teddy bears but now I get pressured for being illegible so I'm gonna call it quits." Sympathy has to end somewhere, it should not be a part of metrics for voting or participation in these games tbh. She could have just requested a replacement in D2. This is not a valid excuse to play like town!CopCake did and I stand by it because it can easily be leveraged by future scum. [b]Like the ◇♡KOOlAiD man I bUST in and say whoop wow scum is town GfG ##lynch me gg.
I mean read that last part.
Lmfao
What are we even discussing still
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Ever single fucken day it‘s been like this with the guy and he‘s drunk at it to boot
![[image loading]](https://media.tenor.com/mbniZE9gjV0AAAAM/the-door-barney-gumble.gif)
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Where‘s rels we need the homme au naturale to give us more reads
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Finally came around to tr jat at least.
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Iamperfection I‘d be okay with Palmar I think
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On March 17 2024 01:05 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 01:01 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 00:59 iamperfection wrote:
Can you comment on my above reasoning jealous. Could you clarify who the 4 scum on Oats would be in this context? Want to make sure because between the post and the linked post, there are a lot of names. Im basically saying there has to be scum on the ve wagon besides oats.
Why ? Don‘t think it‘s the case.
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I mean I don‘t think its the case for it to be a specific amount.
Maybe 1, maybe 2
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On March 17 2024 01:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 01:13 Vivax wrote:
I mean I don‘t think its the case for it to be a specific amount.
Maybe 1, maybe 2 you think mafia killed oats when they could have lynched ve ?
If you think about it that way you create more questions than you are able to answer
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I prefer to think that the roleblocker is ln Oats for sure and the other two may be anywhere else.
So I‘d guess Rels or Jealous as having that role
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