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rip to quicktopic and IRC for masons | ||
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I may be dumb but Im still town, pinky promise also everyone should watch that youtube vid if they have time ot kill | ||
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 They will die Its saturday, im gonna be useless here the rest of the night I have all day tomrorrow and will be in this thread no matter how hungover i promise | ||
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Marv dying? Or copcaek voting herself? if its about the later ill figure it out tomorrow, she still probably scum. | ||
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On March 09 2024 18:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I ran for mayor got ignored and demotivated. I decided to spend time with people who want to touch my junk rather than people who literally never give a shit what I have to say. Honestly I shouldn't have joined, but I did and it is what it is. I fully accept that I'm going to die within the next 2 day cycles, and the thread is too big for me to catch up and give anything resembling meaningful reads - not that I would even, because like I said, any effort I make is wasted because no one gives a shit about my reads. I won't darken the thread again except to meet the activity requirements and vote. Good luck gentlemen and ladies and everything in between. On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote: ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it. Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out. These are both horrible posts. Copcake has at least hung around and tried to contribute versus VE who legit just fucked off. I know I got swayed in part by oats staying around yesterday, and I'm not saying I think cake is town, just I think VE is the higher percentage lynch. It does however mean both wagons were red yesterday, and if we're assuming both cake and VE are red it means both wagons are red today as well. This isn't impossible, after the red check on oats and the TTS shot I could easily see scum getting discouraged and not wanting to play but there's the manner of finding the last scum. I think we just need to flip VE before we can move on bc even if there's the 1% he's town, it's similar to the point someone made yesterday about Oats, we can't bring him to lylo. | ||
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On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote: I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted This one? | ||
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On March 11 2024 01:49 iamperfection wrote: im gonna guess since no one has claimed the one whisperer now it fell into the hands of mafia. Well it's pretty much useless to town if the person you whisper never talks to you  | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:18 Vivax wrote: There‘s so much dumbtelling going on we might have to start printing out membership cards. On March 10 2024 16:49 CopCake wrote: I will leave you with these questions Night 1 .- two deaths (mafia vig/mafia kp?) Night 2.- three deaths (mafia kp/ gunsmith shot/town vig????) Town vig didnt happen on night two more likely, because confirmed cop death and townread by all death. So we have two cases: Town vig killed either rayn or sandro Town vig TTS If you are the guy with the gun, then town vig killed night 1. So we have 6 blue roles. - jailkeeper - cop - gunsmith - veteran??? - town vig - joat For you, if you are town and got a gun, veteran and gunsmith should be confirmed. So only jailkeeper is not confirmed for you. The questions are: 1.- Is it a balanced game to have 6 blue roles? 2.- Did I understood correctly the roles of a single shot for mafia vig/ town vig? Speaking of dumbtelling, I'm going to propose policy lynching for not reading the OP in future games, or if you find yourself making a post about the setup, you must quote the portion of the setup to prove you've read it. This looks deliberate in my eyes on cake's part, especially since the KP situation has been explained several times in the thread. | ||
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On March 11 2024 02:35 iamperfection wrote: well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well. If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon. | ||
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On March 11 2024 02:39 justanothertownie wrote: That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart. I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up. | ||
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yeah but the assumption I (and I think some of the other pro oats people) was making yesterday is that Oats was framed, so even when slam flips, it's not a 100% death sentence for oats. I know this gets a little deep in WIFOM land but if scum somehow saved oats, since he was the framer maybe they don't kill VE just to make things more confusing. Either way, I do think that my point about VE's play is a possibility yesterday. | ||
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On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote: Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips? I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday. | ||
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On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote: I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats. I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday. There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar. | ||
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On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote: Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia. If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier. So VE+Rels is mafia. If Rels is Mafia, which of me/DMB is town? You're kinda all over the place rn. | ||
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On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote: VE Rels MZ DMB All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn) Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP I forgot other people Ok yeah I miscounted how many people you had on your scumlist, that does work. I think you are very wrong about copcake, not to mention myself. I think you're wrong about DMB as well. You are very very heavily leaning on sandroba/rayn for your reads right now. | ||
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You're kinda cherry picking which of their reads that you want to sheep though, Sandroba also had CC in his list of mafia by POE. | ||
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On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote: marv would also always lynched VE over cc. I'm not arguing with you over VE, and I'm definitely not going to second guess myself again even though I think CC is also scum. We're essentially talking about where to go after today. | ||
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On March 11 2024 04:36 Koshi wrote: Well ok. Let's say you are town MZ and you have a good read on dmb because you are both living in the side of town I never visit. We have VE that needs to go. Literally all stronger dead townies called this guy mafia. Had him in their top 2: Sandroba Rayn Marv That leaves JAT Jealous Rels For 2 mafia. Cuz you protect DMB. I protect CC. I think Rels and Jaelous is possible. Ok, if you are going to protect CC, I will reread the Oats voters with an eye that there have to be more scum in there than I am currently reading. I would strongly ask that you take a second look at CC. | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:21 Jealous wrote: I honestly got the impression that marv vs. Palmar was likely to be TvT but I can see it from this POV, too. Solid post, I'm liking my town read on Koshi. His first post with some reads (aside from voting vivax for mayor) and he townreads Koshi and also feels PalmarVMarv is TvT. Next we have his massive list post (just gonna link it bc it’s like 12k words as a quote): https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=124#2476 So he starts with a scumread on rayn but it’s a very heavily caveated read and some of it is based on meta. He agrees a lot with vivax and Koshi. He calls oats scum but doesn’t feel strongly about it other than Oats rubbing him the wrong way. Townreads DP, Vivax, Sandroba, Maybe Marv (which is in line with him thinking MarvVPalmar was TvT) he’s also a slight town read on me. First oddity that stands out is that now he’s got Palmar as a null read after previously saying he viewed PalmarVMarv as TVT but it’s early D1 so reads can change fairly quickly. JAT, DMB, and Trfel all land in the null slot with Palmar, can’t really blame him at that point in time for any of those reads. Based on his color coding, he’s got CC as a stronger scum read based on her lack of productivity. He also leans red on JSL and slam, again none of these I can fault him for at this point. He rounds things out with a TR of himself, hapa(why? Bc scum wouldn’t ask to get modkilled?) and of course koshi. He’s got VE and Rels as null so we’ll remember that as we read through. Don’t really have any big gripes with this most given the context of the time it was made, obviously things like Rayn and slam were wrong in hindsight but he did have early suspicions of Oats and TTS. An interesting post script here is that while most of thread was initially positive about the big list, one of our flipped scum was not: On March 06 2024 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote: The over explanation is real I don’t think the list post makes jealous townie Next post worth talking about: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=130#2589 Willing to sheep Koshi for the Trfel lynch, can’t really say much against that because I essentially sheep’d for the D1 lynch as well although I did my best to do some due diligence it was still rushed. He gets hung up a bit on Slam’s claim, he also views JAT’s fight against Vivax as townie because of how bad it looks from a scum perspective, which tbh I understand that line of thinking bc it’s one of the reasons I’m still holding onto a slight TR of koshi because of how bad his push to save oats was. Oats really goes after Jealous for a bit, regarding his votes on Trfel instead of cake or slam, really hard to read stuff from a flipped scum since we know they’re gonna be trying to obfuscate as much as possible, I think this is NAI for copcake but it does make Jealous look a little better since he’s defending himself from the weak argument of a flipped scum. Jealous was also the only person to give me links for the discussion when I got back to the thread so I really appreciated that. The next few posts are the first ones I have a problem with: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=132#2638 He’s still trying to say he’d lynch slam over cake which now given how things have played out is a real red flag for me. This post is also really bad: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=135#2690 it’s like he’s in-thread coaching oats. In fact his whole interaction with Oats now reads really off to me, like oats applied pressure to a buddy in an awkward manner, and jealous realizes it didn’t make oats look good and is now trying to do damage control. However he gets back on track down the line with another scumread of copcake here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=176#3514 He’s answering a post from Marv and I still don’t think Marv was correct in his read, the only part I’m a little iffy on is where he says he wants to kill copcake regardless of alignment because as frustrating as bad townies are, they are still town. While I agree copcake is scummy and should go bc she’s scum, I wouldn’t be as stoked if his only reason was to just get rid of her, but I don’t think that’s his only reason. Jealous then gets into it with rayn regarding his reads post and the fact that he missed slam’s claim, rayn correctly points out that jealous shares a lot of the same reads as him to which jealous does some really strange acrobatics where he says rayn could be sharing the same reads in order to pocket him. In fact given Rayn’s townflip, it feels like Jealous is forcing a scumread here a, like he doesn’t really have that strong of a reason to call rayn scum but he’s defending it with a crazy amount of assumptions. Next Vivax comes after Jealous for his vote on Trfel instead of pushing for copcake/rayn, Vivax also points out that Jealous is giving JAT a townread for doing the same thing that copcake did and he’s calling copcake scum. Jealous’s explanation is that he believed copcake was sheeping versus JAT who jealous believes is coming up with his own ideas. Jealous basically just explains it away by sheeping koshi. Before the night post Koshi posts: On March 07 2024 09:34 Koshi wrote: I am pretty sure I wont die. But for shit and giggles. MZ Rels Jacob Mebaby TTS Because I hope you are town VE. Less than 30 minutes later Jealous posts: On March 07 2024 09:55 Jealous wrote: Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall: Palmar JAT rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much) My perception of the following did not: VE DMB MZ Rels Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels. So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight). As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention. Except for Jacob on Koshi’s list and VE on Jealous’ those are extremely similar scumlists. Interestingly Jealous also finds an evolution on his rayn read prior to the daypost where Rayn dies. Jealous then agrees with a reads post of mine with the xception of Marv and JAT who I had as lean scum, he suggests adding copcake and Rels, I believe this was the portion of the game where I started to townread Cake for a bit due to the stuff with JSL but after he claimed his role I reconsidered. Jealous is quick to vote Oats which comes off as a little odd given the hard time he had accepting Slam’s claim early on but it’s whatever. This might be one of the more interesting posts in Jealou’s filter https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=204#4072 I don’t think a lot of people have actually gone back and really looked through the raynVPalmar stuff very closely Rayn is probably screaming in the obs rn. Jealous once again makes a reads list for Oats, I just don’t understand why he does this. Jealous spent most of D1 solidly in Koshi’s pocket but he definitely breaks out D2, he goes after Koshi for trying to not lynch oats After saying his perception of Rels got worse after the D1 lynch, Jealous does a filter dive and decides he’s leaning town: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=219#4372 this is inline with his previous statements when he initially downgraded his perception of rels. He posts the infamous picture in response toa bunch of Koshi posts He quotes a post where Iamp calls VE, TTS, and Palmar scum and agrees with it. Calls out Rels for trying to take credit for the flip: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=268#5356 Most of the rest of his filter is pushinig for copcake today, ngl I’ve been working on this post for almost 3 hours and I’m kinda losing steam. So what have I learned? I think the worst part about Jealous are the Oats interactions, they're very strange and don't really make much sense, however Jealous did stay the course on the Oats lynch which is more than can be said for myself, Koshi, and others. I think Jealous has been consistent and correct with his push onto Cake but I would really like to get an up to date read from him on Rels. I don't think Jealous is scum, I think he sheep'd koshi very very hard but has since then broke away and started analyzinig the game on his own. | ||
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