EPTI thought Vivax had been the safe bet for most of the day but Hapa made me lose my shit by not pushing Vivax earlier.
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Tictock
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I thought Vivax had been the safe bet for most of the day but Hapa made me lose my shit by not pushing Vivax earlier. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Tictock
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Yep, or at least a moment of reconsidering. Because you now fall under the same thing I was scum reading Hapa for. | ||
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Tictock
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Tictock
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On December 01 2020 14:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its okay, lets hear why i am mafia with Vivax. I am not getting into that, just saying Vivax should be the lynch here. | ||
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Trfel
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On December 01 2020 08:35 Hapahauli wrote: @raynpelikoneet, you are referring to this discussion, right?Let's make a deal TT. I think Vivax is mafia. You think Vivax is mafia. Let's kill Vivax. After that, since we both think that Trfel is the JK, he can simply block me tomorrow and "confirm me as mafia". Sounds good? Game solved and over from your perspective. No need to argue or do anything. I don't think Hapahauli was trying to argue that we should kill between Vivax/Tictock first instead of him because it's somehow superior. Rather, the point Hapahauli is trying to make here is that Tictock is suspicious because by his own logic, he should be fine lynching Vivax. Hapahauli was trying to see if Tictock would go along with that and vote for Vivax, or if he would hesitate. I read it as more of an experiment. Like I get that he could do this as mafia. It's mafia motivated to move votes off of oneself. But why wouldn't Hapahauli do this as town? If you're referring to a different discussion, the above is all moot. In that case if you could please point me to it? Because I (quickly) read the thread from Hapahauli's claim until this point and didn't find what you are referring to. | ||
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Trfel
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On December 01 2020 14:48 Tictock wrote: Can I ask why it's better to lynch Vivax than Hapahauli? I thought you were scumreading both equally?I am not getting into that, just saying Vivax should be the lynch here. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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Tictock
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On December 01 2020 14:55 Trfel wrote: Can I ask why it's better to lynch Vivax than Hapahauli? I thought you were scumreading both equally? Yea but then Rayn fell into the same trap that had me pushing Hapa so much for. Which ironically was the same thing he is scum reading me for... But I did was doing the experiment first! All of which revolves around people not wanting to kill Vivax, thus WE KILL VIVAX! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 01 2020 14:51 Trfel wrote: @raynpelikoneet, you are referring to this discussion, right? I don't think Hapahauli was trying to argue that we should kill between Vivax/Tictock first instead of him because it's somehow superior. Rather, the point Hapahauli is trying to make here is that Tictock is suspicious because by his own logic, he should be fine lynching Vivax. Hapahauli was trying to see if Tictock would go along with that and vote for Vivax, or if he would hesitate. I read it as more of an experiment. Like I get that he could do this as mafia. It's mafia motivated to move votes off of oneself. But why wouldn't Hapahauli do this as town? If you're referring to a different discussion, the above is all moot. In that case if you could please point me to it? Because I (quickly) read the thread from Hapahauli's claim until this point and didn't find what you are referring to. Yes i understand towards TT it can be this. Towards you though it doesnt follow the same logic. If his experiment went well and TT came off as scummy why is he not voting for TT then? I know TT is voting for Vivax here but still, he was very hesitant at first. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 01 2020 15:02 Tictock wrote: Yea but then Rayn fell into the same trap that had me pushing Hapa so much for. Which ironically was the same thing he is scum reading me for... But I did was doing the experiment first! All of which revolves around people not wanting to kill Vivax, thus WE KILL VIVAX! This is literally fucking bullshit. | ||
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Trfel
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On December 01 2020 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, yeah I get why that logic wouldn't work for me. I don't think he ever used that logic towards me though? I don't recall it at all.Yes i understand towards TT it can be this. Towards you though it doesnt follow the same logic. If his experiment went well and TT came off as scummy why is he not voting for TT then? I know TT is voting for Vivax here but still, he was very hesitant at first. | ||
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Trfel
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 01 2020 08:56 Hapahauli wrote: @ TT The offer stands. If I were to get Trfel to endorse this plan, will you vote Vivax? Yes or no. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Doesnt want to be mayor just because he [i]doent want responsibility and hecause he cannot then use his role, while trying to convince me into lynching grack for "i have historically very good accuracy of hitting mafia D1"? Why doesnt he think he will get shot N1 anyways? Reads jock mafia for his posting well enouugh to put him as very clear scumread D2 just to later on end up saying jock is mafia because he doesnt remember anything jock has posted? Briefly as it was, reads TT town simply just for reading rayn's filter. In MYLO??? As claimed blue doesnt get shot or roleblocked N2 over shockeyy? Uses ate in "i understand you can want to lynch me for three blues being too much". Now thats simply bullshit and noone should vote hapa for that, why doesnt he say so? Because of ate, it's better if peoplerealise itthemselves. Still, why is he allowing people to scumread him for utterly shit reasons if he is town?[/b] | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Trfel
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1. He gets to use the role if he gets shot Night 1, unless mafia roleblocked him as well as killed him (which would literally only be beneficial against the Mad Hatter and Vigilante I believe). I would expect mafia to roleblock someone other than their kill target. As far as the logic for not running for mayor to be able to use his role, that's an interesting point, I guess it would depend on whether he values the protection more or the potential Mad Hatter shot more. Hapahauli saying he would likely run for mayor if there wasn't a good mayoral candidate makes sense to me, if someone else was towny and had utility later then they could be mayor and get the best of both worlds. Whether I qualify as worth giving a bodyguard, that's certainly up for debate. The point has some merit, but I'm unsure how much. 2. Could be missing something but I thought those statements happened in the other order? Where Hapahauli first said Jockmcplop could be mafia because he doesn't remember anything he posted, and then (presumably) looked at it and found other reasons to scumread him. 3. Gosh, I feel bad, but I'm not seeing this one at all  Looked through both Hapahauli's and Tictock's filters. I'm so blind 4. I have absolutely no idea. This is an extremely compelling point. 5. I thought that lynching someone for three blues being too much is valid, isn't this what we were talking about yesterday? It's at least worth considering. As for the appeal to emotion itself, I guess I wasn't under the impression that it was a scumtell? I do feel like those statements were somewhat suspect though. 6. Supposedly Hapahauli only had a few minutes to skim the thread, I assume he would say he didn't have the time to actually read your Fecalfeast case earlier. Bleh. I'm gonna start winding down and going to bed (it's late here), but I'll decide tomorrow. I'm actually horrid at making decisions though, so it would be great if you and Fecalfeast could agree so I can just do that. Currently I'd still prefer not lynching Hapahauli, but I have some things to think about, some questions to get answered, and I'm really not very certain, I wouldn't be surprised if Hapahauli is mafia here. This is the part of mafia games I don't like, where I have to make a decision | ||
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Trfel
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