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![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/4EUTbBpmly1QA/giphy.gif) the guy looks just like Jaw K'mik-plop. Ever's ince laughing in the background. Seems like a nice mafia game. | ||
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On July 02 2019 03:35 Pandain wrote: I have no thoughts on Eversince but I am giving Trfel an extremely strong townread. I think it's unlikely for mafia to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page) So why are you towreading Trfel again? I don't have a read on Eversince, i don't think she has said much anything gameplay related (at least up until p4 end). Something feels wrong in Trfel's read. Why couldn't you make the same read last game? I am not saying Eversince has played differently than she did last game this early on but i don't understand how Trfel can make the read now but not last game? Grack might be town. | ||
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On July 02 2019 03:42 Pandain wrote: I'm not disagreeing with you that ES is relaxed, and if she keeps this up for a whole day that's a different story. I would just never make a townread this early based on that. this is the post from pandain i meant to quote. | ||
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Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. | ||
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On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote: Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. That's what i am getting at. I am not sure if i believe you can, or rather would make the red assumption given the green part, especially since you didn't make it at the start of last game. | ||
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On July 02 2019 10:58 Eversince wrote: I'll catch up on the thread while I take a bath true dedication | ||
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Just because someone has conclusions and explains how they came to those conclusions doesn't mean they are town. | ||
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On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote: But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. Can you give some examples of this that happened lately? | ||
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On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote: Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty! If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game? | ||
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I will also reassess grack and idk if eversince answered me but i want to see an answer when i am home. I am just loosely reading along whenever i can at work. | ||
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On July 02 2019 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game? | ||
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Why does grack necessarily want to change thread sentiment about 4hrs and a total of 1 townread in thread into the game? Why is it more scummy to want to do something than not do anything? | ||
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On July 02 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem with pandain is that i have no idea how he makes some of his conclusions. Like i get how he gets there but i am not fan of the "certainty" of the conclusion. Like an exaggerated comparison would be if someone said "thos guy did this null thing and ot makea him town". Pretty much the same thing i scumread shapelog for last game. I will elaborate better when i am off work. At first glance hf's post on him sounded fine too. Like based on what pandain said on trfel and es, why cannot they be mafia together? | ||
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- unlikely for mafia[!trfel] to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page) However Trfel's townread on ES is imo quite surface level, i mean "she played like this last game and that's also different from a mafia game 4 years ago". Why can't mafia!Trfel make that read? You have to talk something as mafia. I understand somehow the idea of Trfel not making that read in case ES is town and he is mafia because i don't see many reasons to make a "bad" read that early on. That i can see Pandain thinking. But the way Pandain goes on with the explanation is pretty weird because he never entertain the possibility of Trfel and ES being mafia together. It's weird because if that was the case it actually makes sense for Trfel to make the read. Trfel kind of hasn't said anything wrong in his read towards ES and if they are mafia together the worst thing that can happen is "i think i am right" vs "i dont think you believe that" match which isn't like hard proof of someone being mafia. Jock already pulled up the game where Trfel started the game quite alike with rsoultin (i am fully aware of the game -- i lead a lynch on Trfel that game, i dont think it makes Trfel mafia by meta but it clearly shows it definitely doesn't make Trfel town). Furthermore another weird thing here is that the way Pandain talks about his read on Trfel kinda feels like he already assumes ES is town (read his posts with this in mind if you don't believe me) but then he doesn't have a town read on ES. For example this comment: I just think it's extremely early to give a townread based on meta/carefree posting. I fail to see how anyone can post this at the time Pandain did unless they think ES is town. Like let's assume Pandain thinks ES is (or could be) mafia here, suddenly this post turns around and Pandain's conclusion should be that Trfel can easily be mafia since "double mafia perspective" it makes perfect sense, that's probably how you would townread your scumbuddy early on if you were to do that. I also agree with what Jock + HF said on him, i don't have any problems with either of them. I like most of the stuff conversion has said so far. On Eversince, here is my point. This is the discussion we had: ES: m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. rayn: Can you give some examples of this that happened lately? ES: I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. rayn: how does that relate to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?? ES answers same than before rayn: why would grack need to do something as mafia at the time? ES: Exactly!! rayn: do you think grack is self-aware of his meta to some point? ES: yes So okay, Grack is self-aware of his meta, Grack doesn't post that much early on (aside from jokes and stuff) as town, Grack doesn't post here in this game when the thread is basically Trfel's townread on ES and nothing more. Only thing Grack does is question Trfel a bit (and pretty much a throwaway post on ES). Point is; there is ONE townread in the thread and nothing more. Why would Grackaroni do anything as mafia here in ES' mind? I don't understand the strength of the read based on what i got from ES' answers to me. I have some stuff i think might make ES town aswell. Like when she was arguing with Pandain it felt like the mindset from her was like "fuck you your story doesn't add up and mine does", which is not what i would expect from (especially) newer mafia. I mean like if ES is mafia and Pandain is town (as i thought at the time it's impossible for them to be mafia together) ES would know Pandain is telling the truth and would choose her words on the matter more closely, or just back off. If they are both mafia why not just back off when Pandain gives a "reasonable answer"? Idk maybe it's possible they are both mafia since they have both backed off from their initial reads. I am also not a huge fan of ES not really saying anything about my alignment since last game she (at least in her mind) had an "easy time" reading me, and i don't think i have been posting so little this game she can't have a read on me. I actually have a slight townread on grack. It's based on like.... umm how to say it... actually i am not going to say it yet since it's not strong, i want to see what he does when he comes back and noone would get anything off that read atm. HF can hold me accountable to explain it by the end of D1, it's pretty much based on how i read yamato (or did when he played). I need to see more from Trfel. I haven't seen his town thing and i disliked the early read. As i said i don't know if the early read makes him mafia but i haven't really seen anything that he couldn't/wouldn't post as mafia so far. Eywa is mia. | ||
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I have some stuff i think might make ES town aswell. Like when she was arguing with Pandain it felt like the mindset from her was like "fuck you your story doesn't add up and mine does", which is not what i would expect from (especially) newer mafia. I mean like if ES is mafia and Pandain is town (as i thought at the time it's impossible for them to be mafia together) ES would know Pandain is telling the truth and would choose her words on the matter more closely, or just back off. If they are both mafia why not just back off when Pandain gives a "reasonable answer"? Idk maybe it's possible they are both mafia since they have both backed off from their initial reads. I am also not a huge fan of ES not really saying anything about my alignment since last game she (at least in her mind) had an "easy time" reading me, and i don't think i have been posting so little this game she can't have a read on me. i wrote the green part off my memory and ES filter up until when the "fight" between her and Pandain ended and then re-evaluated based on what happened after. Also that read thing on me i figured out at the end of her filter so i added it there because it bugs me. So yeah, this is really not "townie things" unlike on Kelsier last game.. | ||
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On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote: in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you. can you elaborate more on this? | ||
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On July 02 2019 23:35 Grackaroni wrote: Full disclosure: I'm playing another game where I'm putting more effort and that's why I'm being a shitter here. stop playing the other game unless you're mafia here. it's a shit game compred to this. | ||
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On July 02 2019 23:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Mostly all that big post is is a list of her posts with some commentary that is meant to make them look bad. It isn't, there are a couple of very good points there. | ||
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Do you think ES is town? Why? | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:04 Jockmcplop wrote: I also happen to disagree with him about his general commentary on ES's play so far, I disagree with you here though. | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote: I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me. can you expand on this? | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote: He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing. In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me. but last game you did that as town in his mind right? | ||
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Is there any way to reach Eywa for anyone in the game? I would love to play this game so that noone drops or gets replaced (or Eywa could get replaced rn but that's not fair i think). Regardless of who is mafia this game looks and feels pretty enjoyable and i'd hate if it got ruined. | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:23 Eversince wrote: Sorry, took a nap! I'm back now though! who made the above post then? :O | ||
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Holyflare Holyflare Holyflare + Show Spoiler + Holyflare *hides* | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:32 Eversince wrote: Also you sum my Grack points back up yourself. He could be mafia, but he could be t!Grack here and not giving a darn. I don't like to lynch town. I am pretty sure you said it's very unlikely it's m!grack? | ||
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So okay, Grack is self-aware of his meta, Grack doesn't post that much early on (aside from jokes and stuff) as town, Grack doesn't post here in this game when the thread is basically Trfel's townread on ES and nothing more. Only thing Grack does is question Trfel a bit (and pretty much a throwaway post on ES). Point is; there is ONE townread in the thread and nothing more. Why would Grackaroni do anything as mafia here in ES' mind? | ||
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town grack doesn't engage thread early why does mafia grack most likely engage thread here at the point (that's what your town read is based on anyways)? | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:42 Eversince wrote: @Rayn He doesn't but it could be either m!Grack/t!Grack. I'm saying we lynch most likely mafia over him. Because Grack playstyle make it hard to tell if he's m!Grack yet because his town play looks the same D1. but you said it's not m!grack? like that's literally your read right? | ||
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On July 02 2019 18:02 Eversince wrote: Exactly, m!Grack makes no sense to me there because he just mia off. Nothing happens that early. You either try to be active and start the thread or just mia. Which he did. Or you try to get groundwork into looking town (Which he didn't). Showing up and being general useless doesn't make any sense as town or mafia. But Grack is flighty, tends to put a hell of a lot more effort late D1/D2. I don't like him continuing to be useless but I made post on this already. If he's still useless day 2 we can just lynch him but standard Grack play is standard Grack. | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:47 Eversince wrote: .......I'm getting annoyed with answering this! It's all over my filter! I think Grack could play his inactive self d1 as either mafia!Grack or town!Grack. I give him the pass today because I know this about him. I would still lynch but I think it's not worth our votes with better options On July 03 2019 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: but you said it's not m!grack? like that's literally your read right? | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:00 Grackaroni wrote: If ES is mafia am I spewed? :D uh? | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:00 Holyflare wrote: I feel like I'm a named townie again nobody has even thrown me in a mafia pile. i kinda did though. | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:04 Eversince wrote: I said 'I don't want to lynch Grack because x'.. Rayn stop being dense! elaborate pls, what did you say and why is my interpretation wrong? | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:06 Eversince wrote: Yeah and he just didn't care most of it because he found the game boring. He was mod confirmed though. whre did he say the game is boring? | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote: And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) i went to look at his list and figured out i have double the games he does. + Show Spoiler + FUCK SO MUCH BETTER! | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:17 Holyflare wrote: Only 15 more. I played the most games in 2015, 2017 and 2018 on the site though. you have over 80, i thought you had smth like 50... | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:18 Eversince wrote: Okok Rayn. I make this as simple as I can. My issue with lynching Grack has always been 'Grack is being useless!' Truffles said something about it 'he's not posting gifs and making jokes' I say 'Yeh, but he might be trying to change because people wanted to lynch him last game for the same reason' (Not in those words but basic thoughts I had) Grack mia/being general useless is not uncommon. I've played with him enough to know. I'm saying I don't think m!Grack does come into thread, be useless then disappears, for no better reason than to make himself look bad. t!Grack totally wouldn't care.. Conclusion: Grack may totes be scum. But his play there is not a reason to think he is a mafia yet. I am not sure if i am just wrong on you because you seem so ignorant i have no idea what to say....... You said you dont think mafia grackaroni does things like grackaroni has done this game. When asked, you say yeah it can be mafia or town but idk not lynch him today. what gives? | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:33 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think ES' m!Grack post is a good thing to push. I think she just has a lot of meta ideas about me and thinks that I won't be a good day 1 lynch. She says a few times that she would lynch me if I don't start contributing, so I don't think she intended for her post to read the way that you are reading it. i know i also thought one of her posts was way stronger than it actually was. I still would like to hear what other reads does she have. | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:39 Grackaroni wrote: ES gets a pass from me day 1 based on tone, and she also played from the fucking bathtub, so you have to give points for effort. .do you know that for certain because i was waiting on that, maybe with pictures but it took a lot of time. | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:06 Eversince wrote: Ok sorry. Making it clearer HF is good at mafia (the game itself). He's stronger town player, mafia usually just kill him off than deal with him. His mafia playstyle is way more 'just afk'. okay. what are those games where he "just afk's" as mafia? | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:08 Eywa- wrote: I think if Eversince flips mafia, then this game is just super easy going forward. So, thats where I'm going today okay what's gonna happen if eversince is mafia? | ||
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but if Eversince flips mafia, then this game is just super easy going forward can you explain that comment then? | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:11 Holyflare wrote: In no planet am I ever an afk mafia. I think I'm the most try hard mafia player on this site even. True. Why does she say otherwise as mafia? | ||
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So please if you're town can you explain your reads? Mainly ES, and Trfel. | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:19 Holyflare wrote: Because she doesn't know my meta and has been asked to give a read on me and I have little to no content. She knows I'm town and that I get shot by mafia so she says the truth, that I'm likely to come back and post more if town but then obviously has to arbitrarily fit in the alternative to make it look like she's weighing up my alignment but she got it way wrong. How does she know I'm likely to be shot as town because I'm good at mafia and mafia fear me but not know my mafia meta? It sounds like she just knows hf = vet = apply generic vet meta. why hasn't she talked about in scum qt unless her buddy is like eywa? idk i am not saying more. i am voting for her and will do unless she reasonably explains herself. | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:22 Eywa- wrote: This is false. You already changed your mind, the voting thread demonstrates this. how about you now answer? | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:29 Eywa- wrote: I'm really not sure what else I'm supposed to provide or how it'll be valuable. Why did you say "if eversince flips mafia then this game is just super easy going forward"? You must have a reason for it and afaik it's the reasoning you are voting for her (as you haven't said anythig else on why she is mafia). So what am i supposed to think if not that? | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:29 Eywa- wrote: I think Eversince is the correct lynch today and I have a current list of untouchables. Why is Trfel untouchable? What makes him so town? Not all game is about you making a list of people to lynch / not to lynch. | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:40 Eywa- wrote: Not my reason for voting... My reason for voting is that I think ES is mafia. cute, why is she mafia? | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:43 Eywa- wrote: The biggest reason is her role PM. Probably RNG. I am sorry but did you plan on playing mafia at some point? | ||
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I am pretty sure there isn't one. | ||
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ES so far best vote i dont buy her explanation. Kill eywa rather sooner or later if that's the level she is willing to contribute on. either mafia or gonna lose game for town anyways because noone can clear her. trfel/pandain. i dont care much tbh, if we lynch those four ppl we win every time. so gn for tonight | ||
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I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that. I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES. I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you. Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around. | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:04 Jockmcplop wrote: rayn you missed obviously mafia hf obviously being mafia. he isn't "obviously mafia". | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:08 Jockmcplop wrote: Do you have any thoughts on his play so far? Yes, i think he is voting for mafia. | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:07 Pandain wrote: Nah Conversion you're completely misunderstanding me. I never really thought you're scummy, maybe slightly town. Basically null. But you're in the "scum" pile based on process of elimination. But based on my PoE I think the last two scum are probably you and Conversion. Last two scum are Conversion and Conversion, nice | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote: She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. | ||
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On July 04 2019 03:14 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn, what did you townread ES for in the last game? She was trying to figure out alignments. | ||
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On July 04 2019 03:28 Holyflare wrote: But you agreed with them and said my vote is valid because of it originally lol? So clearly this means now that you're wrong somehow and it doesn't make ES mafia? | ||
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On July 04 2019 03:54 Grackaroni wrote: I'm up for burying Conversion though. Why is Conversion mafia? | ||
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On July 04 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote: His entrance looks uncomfortable to me. Hiis first post that I originally liked was focusing on ES repeatedly making meta reads on me and saying she doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, which are both weird things but not things that are more likely to come from mafia ES than town ES. Then he has a big post bothering Pandain for having him as a null read while saying that he would lynch him, which wasn't a contradiction. Then he says that ES isn't trying hard enough to lynch him and that she's only mentioned him 13 times. Then there's more complaining about Pandain pushing him. And then he came back for more complaining about ES pushing him. Conversion is really good at getting town reads from making emotional posts, but I haven't really seen anything to make me think that he's trying to solve the game, and I have a pretty big circle of town reads already so I think he's a good vote. The first two things i think are actually "reads". Other stuff (aside from the last sentence) is just what Conversion has posted. I mean you can't really say "conversion posted this and that, he's mafia", that's not really a read. My problem is the first two things (the read ones) were posted before you EVER mention Conversion in your filter, and youu only do it once, and you call him your strongest town read. So what gives? I could understand last sentence as PoE but since your read on him (based on your filter) was almost confirmed town i don't understand how he flips on your scum side of reads? I understand you can possibly change opinion ans hit when you read more but to me nothing in your filter rn indicates i should believe what you say here. | ||
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On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote: That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players. | ||
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On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote: Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that. I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly. | ||
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On July 04 2019 08:32 Holyflare wrote: pandain jockmcplop Grackaroni eversince trfel People that voted conversion and posted shit all to solving the game or why they voted the way they did after they lynched the parity cop: Pandain, jock, grack, Eversince, trfel People that voted Eversince: Rayn, hf, eywa, conversion People that didn't vote the parity but still talked about reads and who to lynch after the parity cop mishap: Hf, eywa There's at least 2 confirmed town on the eversince wagon in myself and conversion and I'm pretty sure eywa is town too. That means that unless you all think rayn is mafia (which almost none of you do) then either eversince is town and all the mafia suddenly bandwagoned conversion to look shit at the end of the day lynching town instead of afking or there's a much more simple answer that Eversince is mafia and you played right into their objective. I am not quite certain why eywa would be super likely town in case ES happened to be town? We all made good points on ES. I could make those points as mafia, you could, why couldn't eywa? I mean the points are relevant because they are contradictions in ES filter, she herself made those posts and there is arguing against it. I think something stinks in grackaronis complete 180 in me and conversion when it started to look like ES actually gets lynched. | ||
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On July 04 2019 12:06 Eversince wrote: Ugh you know HF, you make so many valid point I'm not even fighting it now. I think it's fishy as hell you pushing me so hard for a wrong a meta read. Noone is pushing you for wrong meta read. If youre town somehow read the posts with thought. For once think for a moment befote you post? | ||
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On July 04 2019 13:32 Eversince wrote: Rayn please.. Then I try to talk with HF to see if m!HF is just pushing off on easy ES lynch. I like his responses though so I don't think he's mafia for it. EBWOP one of these days I'm get this right! In simple words, HF is saying you agreed with his initial read. Which is what you did. Now youre saying hf might be mafia because his points were crap. By your own definition its impossible you think that unless you providr some new evidence for your change of mind, which you havent. Me and hf both have said you had a strong town read on grack based on things X just to say later that grack could do things X as either alignment. One of those things has to be a lie because nowhere in your filter you provide anything that i see should be changing your mind. Idc about what i said about your comment on hf. Noone is going to get what i am saying or why i think it comes ftom mafia!ES perspective so whatever. Noone got why i scumread shapelog last game. So i cba with that, theres more evidence anyways. I have yet to check what eywas point on you is reharding conversion, but it most likely will make sense since hf agrees it makes sense and hf as either alignment doesnt agrer with stuff that dont make sense. | ||
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On July 04 2019 17:19 Holyflare wrote: Es returns and says bad things, misconstrues points, says lies. My vote is fine where it is. Note to self to check if this holds water. I am not really gan of the read change into read change if all es posted during the time was "afk excuse". | ||
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On July 04 2019 17:40 Holyflare wrote: You are misrepresenting things entirely. You're picking and choosing what I say and ignoring the perfectly valid reasons for why I did them just to say "lol because of an afk excuse over grack!" which is not what I did in the slightest. Yes. Tjst's true Pandain. You take some post(s), when hf says why he did it you dont try to weigh the truth value of his explanayion, instead you make your own oversimplified one and say hf is lying. | ||
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On July 04 2019 17:49 Pandain wrote: I only brought in Grack to show the contrast. You were thinking about voting Grack. Here are the only two meaningful things that changed: Grack: I was lazy so I didn't post. ES: I might be AFK this upcoming hour. Based only on these two statements, you reversed your read and went back to ES. That's true and this bothers me aswell. I cant go more into detail before i am home, but your final conclusion was "hf is scum for this" regardless of if hf's explanation makes sense (or should make sense) or not. | ||
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On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote: I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon. But didnt you say shes been doing that continuously? | ||
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On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote: It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her. | ||
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On July 04 2019 18:10 Holyflare wrote: Please don't it's a massive waste of time. Es is mafia and I'm going to get shot. The odds of that just ever decrease the more this nonsense goes on. Why can't you guys just wait till after the night to post stuff about me? Really stupid. Because if i get shot instead i fear people will do something stupid. | ||
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On July 04 2019 01:54 Holyflare wrote: If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk? Dumb and probably mafia. Correct me if i am wrong but i think this post clearly says HF thinks at that time Grack is better lynch than Eversince is. I asked him why didn't he change his vote to Grack at the time if he thought that was the case. HF said he were in a train or something and sporadic activity, couldn't post etc. I believe that because i do the same when i am playing on phone, i make short posts, never quote and deal with the proper follow up later. There is nothing scummy in that in itself. Here is the post HF made where he decided to keep your vote on ES. On July 04 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote: I think I'll leave my vote where it is in the meanwhile... This is what happened meanwhile regarding HF/ES/Grack: - On page 38 HF argues with Grack and at this point still clearly wants to lynch Grack - ES makes the "fake afk post" Holyflare then explains this with; On July 04 2019 17:08 Holyflare wrote: I am almost 100% certain eversince returned and said something I hated and I said the words "I think I'm fine leaving my vote where it is". On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote: It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her. On July 04 2019 17:19 Holyflare wrote: [...] Grack looked shit from memory (100% of my play is just skimming in a minute at work on phone and writing posts every so often) so I read his filter. It looked terrible. Would much rather lynch a guy that looks terrible over someone that was talking and said a lot of words (es). Es returns and says bad things, misconstrues points, says lies. My vote is fine where it is. [...] I am not sure how the bolded part adds up. Says bad things, okay you can believe that. Miscontrues points, where? she just said she'll catch up if she can. Says lies, mehhhhh... maybe you can call her saying maybe she is afk and then still post is a "lie" but i find that quite a stretch.. You yourself made a "timeline related post" about what you did but i am not really sure how the bolded part adds up in that exact moment? On July 04 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote: No she makes plenty of them and then responds to points which is imo worse because it looks like an excuse to leave at any point. It's unnecessary and a bad habit for mafia. Either way it reinvigorated my want to lynch her until she actually responded. On July 04 2019 17:58 Holyflare wrote: That's not really true. Grack posted shit all and if ES had posted nothing (bear in mind I had a case on es outstanding!) I would have voted grack. [...] I also don't know how the red part and the green part go together? Like i know what you are saying here, i mean how you say your thought process went but i am not sure if it's a townie thought process. You say ES made a post, it would have been better had she posted nothing but when she came back posting but "didn't actually post anything" it's bad? Idk i just don't get it. If ES knows anything about thread sentiment at this time, why do you think she even comes back? Me, you and (kinda afk) eywa think she is mafia. You say you are willing to switch to Grack. Why do you think she as mafia comes back with a non-sensical post, and even lies about activity in that post???? I can see why you think it's scummy but i can't see why you think it's again more scummy than Grack (so you flip back to ES > Grack), based on the fact you start pressuring ES instead of Grack there, because during that same time Grack actually made a post that should sound godawful to you, this one: On July 04 2019 03:19 Grackaroni wrote: I think Rayn's push on ES is pretty suspicious actually. He's ignoring the general feel of her filter and her activity in favor of two nitpicked logical errors. I really suspect that he had a strong feel based read on her in the last game, and even though the filter Trfel linked is four years old I do see a pretty noticeable difference between that game and this one.
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On July 04 2019 21:40 Eywa- wrote: I mean... Stop playing this "Why would I do this" game. It's generally anti-town. Yeah i fully agree with this. | ||
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On July 04 2019 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you remember es posting "afk excuses" vefore the es/grack thing in this game and if she did, why wasnt that in your case since you think its scummy? You said you don't remember. You however posted this: On July 04 2019 17:26 Holyflare wrote: EVERY TIME there is a valid point or case an excuse comes out. It doesn't matter if she posts more after it, feeling the need to post it is scummy imo. Especially if you stay! If you think this is solely why I wanted to lynch Eversince and this is what you think made me solely keep my vote on her then you're either terrible or mafia. It's way better to keep pressure on someone that I have a case on and instill the fear of a lynch in them than vote grack who has done nothing. Every time there is a valid point or a case[...] But you didn't even remember if she did that when you made your original case. I would instantly buy your explanation if that happened before in this game AND you had remembered it and explained it with that, but you didn't. Also the lower part of the quote; I was looking for that post when i wrote my big post and couldn't find it for some reason. But doesn't this contradict solely the fact you even said you wanted to lynch Grack in the first place? Like idk why do you say that? Do you think Grack will fall and GRACK (lol you get it? ) under pressure if you just say you might want to lynch him? If you actually meant to pressure Grack as you say, i think your follow up on Grack isn't really townie as per my bullet point list. | ||
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On July 04 2019 21:59 Eversince wrote: Converstion came from no where because HF wanted a wagon people would be happy with. I already said what I felt on Conv, and I'm not mafia so I 1)lynched into my scum reads 2)saved t!ES. shut up already HF had NOTHING to do with lynching Conversion. | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel? I think he did his town thing on the post on HF. | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:20 Grackaroni wrote: It's not an easy game to solve because a lot of the players (ES, Pandain, Eywa) are reads that I have that are pure tone reads. I think I could definitely be wrong about my Eywa read, and maybe Eversince but that would impress me. But you PoE'd me and Conversion, formerly your top ttown reads as mafia?!?!?!? | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Cool, thanks I'll go check it out and see if I can learn something + Show Spoiler + It's the thing where he makes a really good post in a townie way (i mean he can be right or wrong but puts a shitton of thought into it -- corresponding to the game state at the time, like obviously earlier posts are not "huge effort" but i hope you get what i mean) and then calls himself bad and wrong. Now after this game this is never going to hold so it's not anymore a town!Trfel thing. | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:25 Grackaroni wrote: your presence was way lower than people like ES/Pandain throughout the rest of the phase. what the fuck?!?! | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:26 Grackaroni wrote: In your case if my tone read on ES ends up being bad then I may regret it, but if not then I have a very good reason to suspect you. So your scumread on me is based on that ES is town and i should know better? | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:31 Grackaroni wrote: I looked back through the pages and I stand by that. I see you posting about the ES points, which I said I didn't like, you briefly say that Pandain is mafia and then you go back to posting about the same ES points. I think that's less than what you usually do where you tend to cycle through a few different suspicions. Okay let's take an example. Last game D1, what did i do that's "more than this game"? | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:33 Grackaroni wrote: Yes. You had a confident read on her in the last game and gave a town read on her when I had a lot of doubts, in this game I have a stronger town read on her from the feel of her filter and you are nitpicking on thing she are saying that I don't think make sense from either alignment to try to lynch her. Okay so, i already said i understand the HF thing and i said it's reasonable you scumread me for it. Aside from that why arent you scumreading HF (or if you are now, why weren't you clearly expressing that during EoD1) because HF's points on why ES is mafia are pretty much the same than mine other than that one thing? | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote: Rayn are you scum reading es still? yes | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:42 Holyflare wrote: Rayn what exactly are your reads actually? ES + Grackaroni mafia pretty much. | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:40 Grackaroni wrote: Because HF misreads people all the time as town and you read ES better than me in the last game and told me not to vote her. I glanced back at your filter in the last game. You made posts about both Shapelog/Eywa being mafia and you commented on all of the players narrowing down your mafia pool to 4 people. I don't recall you ruling many people out in this game, but I can check. I don't think my meta on ES has nothing to do with my read on her here. Last game was not meta. Last game was her willing to solve the game and willing to find mafia. I guess i could have been saying "ES is not willing to solve the game here" also, but instead i chose to point out "hard-evidence" aka the read on you and the HF stuff. I think you asked me about her meta at some point yesterday, no? I don't think the style someone posts is alignment indicative (unless you're terrible at this game as one alignment). It might be a starting point but it's nothing definitive. I have ruled out jock, i have ruled out eywa so far (granted, later), i had ruled out conv, i HAD ruled out you until i thought you started posting shit. Who else should town!rayn rule out? HF who is a sneaky bitch as mafia? Pandain who is defending my top scumread and well pretty much nothing else until late? Trfel who i did keep commenting on (but i didn't think he is the best lynch on D1 when i kinda scumread him)? ES who is my top scumread? | ||
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On July 04 2019 23:04 Eversince wrote: you're being so dense it's going to make me cry! how am i being dense? i asked you a legit question(s) and you never answered. i summed up the things you are scumread for and you didn't do jack shit to clear things up (assuming you are town). I even asked you for once to read carefully and answer the points on you, you didn't do jack shit. What am i supposed to think? That you are town because you call yourself town? | ||
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On July 04 2019 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: In simple words, HF is saying you agreed with his initial read. Which is what you did. Now youre saying hf might be mafia because his points were crap. By your own definition its impossible you think that unless you providr some new evidence for your change of mind, which you havent. Me and hf both have said you had a strong town read on grack based on things X just to say later that grack could do things X as either alignment. One of those things has to be a lie because nowhere in your filter you provide anything that i see should be changing your mind. Idc about what i said about your comment on hf. Noone is going to get what i am saying or why i think it comes ftom mafia!ES perspective so whatever. Noone got why i scumread shapelog last game. So i cba with that, theres more evidence anyways. I have yet to check what eywas point on you is reharding conversion, but it most likely will make sense since hf agrees it makes sense and hf as either alignment doesnt agrer with stuff that dont make sense. | ||
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On July 04 2019 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Me and hf both have said you had a strong town read on grack based on things X just to say later that grack could do things X as either alignment. One of those things has to be a lie because nowhere in your filter you provide anything that i see should be changing your mind. I have REPEATELY said I think Gracks play at that point was more NAI so we lynch better targets. But that doesn't correspond with your filter. You do: Grack is town because mia grack is town and mafia grack does shit. Grack is town because meta Grack is town because meta Grack is town because meta Grack is town because meta Grack is town because meta Grack is town because meta [much much later] Grack can be mia either as town or mafia!! it's an exaggerated example but that's what you said. | ||
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On July 05 2019 01:02 Eversince wrote: Like get it. I'm not saying Grack is town. I'm saying both m!/t!Grack both play that way! I gave HF the same reasons and now he's shown he can play. HF at least comes in and tries to change my mind when I engage. This is not a hard process!! yes that's what you've been saying for a while, but: On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote: Grack's just a special one. He's got a funny personal attitude. I'm not wanting to lynch him today. He'll pick up and engage like he did last game or then we can lynch. But he's not trying to move us anywhere. Which is trash town play. But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. I question you on this and you say: On July 02 2019 16:12 Eversince wrote: I'm going off memory (not reliable). Any mafia would want to try to change thread sentiment. Grack did nothing.. Even on your example.. if he bussed his whole team he still did something. Was my point. t!Grack doesn't care m!Grack does something (if that's true he just killed his whole team)! What game is it though? I'll filter him to try to see. ??????? | ||
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On July 05 2019 01:12 Eversince wrote: Right there Rayn! m!Grack did something. I didn't go try to find that game because apparent I suck at navigating TL. Me saying there are better lynches and not wanting to go for him is bleh. I am not sure what you are trying to say here, except that your answer to this: rayn: "Eversince did this thing X and i think it makes her mafia because then she did Y and it doesn't make any sense because of Z" is: Eversince: "Exactly! I did X!" So i guess i am going to just ignore you onto this, i am very sorry if you happen to be town somehow but i've (and other have) been over this many many times and you never give a reliable answer to the real question in point. | ||
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On July 05 2019 01:28 Eversince wrote: What specifically do you want answered Rayn? why did you say grack is town because he is mia (meta), then continuously hard-defend him (emphasis on HARD-DEFEND) based on meta, just to later on say grack's play can be both town or mafia? | ||
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On July 05 2019 01:33 Eversince wrote: I've literally never said Gracks play has made him town! All of my post was saying coming for Grack it's NAI at this point! You literally have. | ||
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On July 05 2019 01:33 Eversince wrote: All of my post was saying coming for Grack it's NAI at this point! I'm not wanting to lynch him today. He'll pick up and engage like he did last game or then we can lynch. But he's not trying to move us anywhere. Which is trash town play. But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. = town read, you can claim whatever you want here but that's a fucking town read. unless you're lying in that post. Even on your example.. if he bussed his whole team he still did something. Was my point. t!Grack doesn't care m!Grack does something (if that's true he just killed his whole team)! = town read, i questioned your post you gave more reasoning why grack is not mafia in this game. I can find more, dare me. But all of your posts are Grack is NAI? rly? | ||
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On July 05 2019 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Aside from ES you should kill Grack. He made the post on me being mafia, i can understand you not agreeing with me here or even thinking it's a good post. Just read it again. It doesn't make sense i am sorry i can't explain it further.. YOU HF should see why it is mafia post. I dont think anyone else will, you should. | ||
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On July 05 2019 04:16 Holyflare wrote: Our meta points were different I think that's why? i dont have meta points on grack? | ||
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On July 05 2019 04:19 Holyflare wrote: No, he said that your meta points on es were shit. Eg. The "he's good at mafia" points. He didn't reference me because my points weren't the same as that and I'd done other stuff to pad out my scum read. i think he trashed on all my case which is smart as mafia because "all my case" at that point also includes all your case. like if one of my point is wrong okay, then it's okay i can get that. but because i made one "wrong" point in people's minds all case is shit as fuck and rayn is mafia (and also your case will become bad if you even touch this saying i made a wrong point). It's really smart scum play, i would do it 100%. | ||
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On July 05 2019 04:22 Holyflare wrote: Tbh i didn't even know you wrote about her grack meta points until after I'd posted them tonight :D Whoops. Would have definitely solidified my read yesterday though. i did, before you did. | ||
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On July 05 2019 04:46 Pandain wrote: Yeah I'm vig. Yeah I'm disillusioned and probably won't talk for rest of day. youre playing this day, and playing to your best. i am not going to lose this game because you (imo) fucked shit up on D1, took a bad shot, and then afk'd to death. So don't you dare to not fucking play. | ||
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On July 05 2019 05:04 Jockmcplop wrote: Because you immediately voted and started having a go at pandain when the day started. I started having a "go" on Pandain because i thought he is the one who shot Grackaroni and it was a bad shot and he should claim if he made that shot. I voted after that and then what? What does my vote make me? | ||
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On July 05 2019 05:07 Jockmcplop wrote: I didn't say it made you anything. I said you seem like you're in a hurry. so you just said that "off-topic" like it means nothing? | ||
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On July 05 2019 18:12 Jockmcplop wrote: I'll go through my logic just to make sure we're on the same page.... from your POV trfel either one of rayn or es has to be mafia unless the mafia team is me and eywa I'm saying if eywa and I were the mafia team I would just lynch ES and the game is over as it is now. Therefore mafia can't be me and eywa. Therefore one of ES/rayn has to be mafia. Unless you think its eywa/me and we are trying to prolong the game for some reason. What a load of shit lol. | ||
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On July 05 2019 17:08 Trfel wrote: raynpelikoneet
Easy townreads early on that don't make sense (Grackaroni, Conversion) You're incorrect, that is not the post i read Grackaroni slightly town early game. I am pretty sure i talked about the post. Yeah i went to check and i literally said "His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense." Why did you miss the actual reason i had for my grack read and take some other post and try to make it look like that's the post in question???? Grackaroni made a question to Trfel about his post (i also found that post weird, you can probably tell because we had a talk about it later) -> rayn thinks grack is up to something here, agrees with grack, waits for his follow up (like i said in my post on grack later what i would expect mafia!grack to do, or not to do) -> grack follows up in a townie way, except for one point -> rayn asks grack about it -> grack explains reasonably. I am not sure how this is so very hard to put together why i had a townread on Grack at the time i did. On Conversion, he said "I don’t like this post [by trfel]" which i didn't like either. He said "also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early [on ES]" which is a conclusion i had at the time and which is the only reasonable conclusion to the shit-read on ES being town because happy and shit. Later on Conversion made a case on Eversince and pushed his case, i agreed with his points (i said that too). Why the fuck am i NOT supposed to have a town read on Conversion in case i am town???? I don't understand any of this. Like you can disagree with my reasoning being bad or wrong or whatever shit you want to but you simply cannot not understand where i am coming from because it's literally all in my filter and VERY CLEARLY explained. Raynpelikoneet didn't care about the Day 1 lynch, between his townread and his scumread That's just simply untrue. I did what i had the time to do. The ONLY "case" ever against Conversion that was posted in the thread was Grackaroni's and i heavily opposed the case and in my opinion debunked it. Because noone (even Grack) told me why me telling why the case doesn't make Conversion is mafia is wrong, i simply figured that i am to be believed here. Everyone else's "case" was basically that "conv is bleh" and that's not a fucking case, that's bull-fucking-shit. Holyflare was already arguing on ES, i was focusing on debunking the only "real" argument on Conv and i felt like i succeeded since noone opposed what i was saying. Another thing, i don't read the voting thread. I go there to vote. i simply had no time to do anything because i knew pandain and jock were voting for conversion, but because noone except for me posts their votes into teh game thread also i simply had no idea grack is going to vote, and even if he was it's not gonna be conv lynched over ES as it's 4-4. I think you're being very fucking hypocrite here Trfel since i didn't really need to do anything unless you came to the thread and said "i am going to vote for conversion". But no, you decided to ninja and then have the guts to come tell me RAYN DID EVERYTHING WRONG. ffs, you're making me really angry right now. raynpelikoneet is mad at Pandain for shooting Grackaroni, a player who he highly scumread 1) it was a first spontanous reaction to grack flipping town. because; 2) you always shoot the counter-wagon this game here on N1. You fucking always do that even if you think they are town because it gives you the most information on other players and possibly clears like half-the-fucking game!! There is simply NO OTHER RIGHT ANSWER than to shoot ES there if you are a vigilante. Never!! I understand Pandain's reasons since he thought ES is town and Grack is mafia but still he made a wrong choice (gameplaywise) and i was mad about it. Now i am going to make a post why Jock is mafia and because people have made me mad with their bullshit this phase you will see what burying someone really means in a game of mafia. | ||
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So here we go: On July 05 2019 15:47 Jockmcplop wrote: I do think rayn is mafia though. (1)He has spent the entire game arguing one single point with ES, the whole game. He never tried to work anything out, or work with town at all, just 72 hours of going on and on about ES's grack read. (2)Then when a bunch of flips happen he doesn't stop and think or try and figure out what happened he's just straight back on ES again. (1) That's just simply untrue. IT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE!!! Any single person who goes read my filter can tell this is bullshit because i did a LOT more than "just 72 hours of going on and on about ES's grack read". Even talking JUST about my read on ES this is untrue. Does anyone in the game feel like i haven''t been trying to question their motives, no... NEVER question their motives for their posts???? If you answered "no" Jock is making shit up, if you answered "yes" you're making shit up. And that's a fucking fact even if i was mafia in this game. (2) Here's what happened: We were lynching ES my scumread, Pandain started being retarded and five people yoloed on Conversion, my town read, from Eversince, my scumread without a fucking case. Noone has EVER in this game said WHY my case on ES is bad, why HF's case is bad, why Conversion's points are bad, why Eywas points are bad. Everyone who is not amongts this group of people has just fucking ignored everything we have been saying and lived in a happy-la-la-land because happy ES and 4 year old meta. Like fuck you all. Why the fuck should i EVER reconsider my reads at the start of D2 because all of you who weren't on ES did mafia things all fucking D1 even if Eversince is town?!?!?!?!?!?! Funnily enough somehow i should reconsider my reads when Conversion turned up town, Grackaroni turned up town, Holyflare turned up town. Correct me if i am wrong but HE SHOULD BE THE ONE thinking "hmm maybe i am wrong because my reads were really bad" and not me, because there is no reason for me to think my reads are wrong (aside from grack obvs, but that doesnt matter here). Like he just decided a person he is calling mafia and then trying to make evidence to fit his read. On July 05 2019 15:50 Jockmcplop wrote: you,conversion and grack were all town! Why did they have to push anyone to do anything????? When the voting was unclear, they were trying to get everyone to vote for you. Then when it became obvious it was gonna be a mislynch either way they didn't need to get anyone to vote for you any more. Rayn/eywa makes sense if you look at it like this. The green part is already wrong because i did a lot fucking more than just push ES, btu still, there was NEVER EVER during D1 a situation where EITHER me or Eywa was going to get lynched. I don't give any shits about how "unclear" the voting was but the explanation in the red part makes abolutely no sense as town because the justification for the read is wrong. If me and eywa were mafia we wouldn't have been needing to do anything all fucking game but in Jock's mind we ONLY "stopped doing stuff" after wagons ES/Grack turned into ES/(Grack)/Conversion. Can you see how retarded the conclusion here is? Like THAT'S why me and Eywa are mafia?!?!?!!?! Once again, Jock has decided on who is mafia and then trying to make the evidence to fit. I will break the next quote in pieces: On July 05 2019 18:12 Jockmcplop wrote: I'll go through my logic just to make sure we're on the same page.... from your POV trfel either one of rayn or es has to be mafia unless the mafia team is me and eywa correct I'm saying if eywa and I were the mafia team I would just lynch ES and the game is over as it is now. i dont think jock + eywa are mafia but that's straight up bullshit. there is never any world where having one town wagon is better for mafia at this point than having TWO town wagons. People tend to think they need to decide between the lynches and when you give them options (more than one) people are likely to fuck up. Also let's assume this is the case and Jock is mafia. How do you justify " I would just lynch ES and the game is over" as Jock here, like the dude has been townreading ES since the start of the game so come D2 he just comes in and says that town!ES is mafia? Like what the fucking bullshit is this? I am never going to believe he actually thinks this as town. Therefore mafia can't be me and eywa. incorrect. Therefore one of ES/rayn has to be mafia. incorrect, but yeah most likely true. Unless you think its eywa/me and we are trying to prolong the game for some reason. Once again, read what i said above. If ES is town (i dont think she is) there is NO REASON why you, Trfel, should NOT think Jock + Eywa is a viable team. The explanation Jock gave for that line of thinking is just incredibly wrong. Jock has decided who he wants to call mafia and makes evidence fit his narrative even when it clearly doesn't. Eywa, i am not sure how swingy of a player you are. I am gonna tell this to you. Even if you think i am mafia this is true. You need to vote with Pandain, otherwise we almost always lose. ES is mafia and jock is mafia but you still need to vote with pandain even if he votes for me, because you can't know for sure if i am town or not. If pandain loses the game for the town then by voting for me then i guess he's just an idiot who cannot play mafia because he has single handedly lost the game for town. If the person in Trfel/Jock pool (aka Trfel) who is town can't understand this and loses the game then i guess he's just another idiot who cannot play mafia. | ||
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On July 05 2019 22:06 Eywa- wrote: I still think Truffle is the more likely scum buddy, but I can't definitively say that. i don't think that's the case, i just posted about jock. trfel at least is trying to be reasonable, jock just decided who to call mafia and is making the evidence to fit his case even when the evidence clearly suggest otherwise. | ||
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On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote: So I've got: trfel + es vs rayn + pandain at the moment, right? On July 05 2019 15:12 Jockmcplop wrote: I mean unless there's bussing happening (which there might be) the mafia team is trfel and es On July 05 2019 15:20 Jockmcplop wrote: Rayn, pandain read that above, surely you agree? I could go with you on ES next day but trfel is 100% mafia On July 05 2019 15:21 Jockmcplop wrote: I forgot eywa ignore everything i wrote I jsut woke up haha After this all, pandain + rayn becomes impossible, what does jock do? VOTE FOR RAYN! YEAAAHHHH SUREBRO! | ||
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On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote: Judging purely by gamestate here it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though convenient? Like Jock calls Trfel mafia, Trfel responds with "rayn is probably mafia but no reasoning here". Jock "forgot Eywa" and that makes him drop the scumread on Trfel and then he starts yelling "rayn is mafia!!!" Are you fucking blind to not see what's going on here? | ||
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On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote: So I've got: trfel + es vs rayn + pandain at the moment, right? Look guys, let's assume jock really forgot about eywa. Okay this makes sense but the he says: On July 05 2019 15:20 Jockmcplop wrote: Rayn, pandain read that above, surely you agree? I could go with you on ES next day but trfel is 100% mafia Pandain is confirmed vigilante aka confirmed town so he writes off pandain + rayn. The only possible combo for him here is Trfel + ES but [u][i]Trfel is 100% mafia and ES is NOT 100% mafia?!?!?!?!?! If jock really forgot about eywa and is telling the truth in his first post then BOTH of Trfel and ES are ALWAYS 100% mafia. So jock is lying 100% of the time here. Al-fucking-ways. | ||
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On July 05 2019 22:43 Eywa- wrote: This is correct. So is ES though, so let's just lynch her. I am. | ||
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On July 05 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote: Bullshit. Yeah you might haev taken the odd slight detour to talk to other people but you NEVER followed up on any of that shit and always went straight back to arguing with ES. You shit up the thread for 3 days with that. Your case on ES is bad because it relies on a single read that YOU misinterpreted. Why should you reconsider your reads at the start of day 2? Because shit has happened and it changes the game. You haven't even bothered to work out what the possible consequences were of the night kills you just went straight in with an ES vote and getting pandain to vote ES (and tried to get eywa to) without even thinking. That's because none of the night kills affect you or your strategy in the slightest because mafia doesn't care about that. Mafia doesn't care what the game now looks like to the people playing it, only town would give a shit about that stuff. Meh. You didn't try and affect the vote at the end of day 1 at all. You could have but you didn't. If you were town and thought ES and one of conv/grack or even just one of all three was mafia YOU WOULD HAVE TRIED TO STOP THE SHENANIGANS! Oh I forgot, rayn the super serious super angry mafia player doesn't read the vote thread lol\ I literally expalined all this in the post Jock is quoting....... | ||
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On July 05 2019 23:03 Jockmcplop wrote: I think I was working on the basis that trfel and ES was a possible scum team, trfel and rayn was a possible scumteam, but ES and rayn wasn't because of the game so far. Therefore trfel is scum in that situation. that's not what you said. | ||
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On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote: trfel + es rayn + pandain at the moment pandain is vigilante On July 05 2019 15:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Actually trfel you are 100% mafia On July 05 2019 15:20 Jockmcplop wrote: Rayn, pandain read that above, surely you agree? I could go with you on ES next day but trfel is 100% mafia On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote: it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though you realise here that Jock's reasoning for me being mafia is the complete opposite than what trfel says here. Most of his case is "rayn did nothing". On July 05 2019 15:47 Jockmcplop wrote: I do think rayn is mafia though. really guys? His fucking 100% scumread says rayn is mafia and he instantly believes it while Trfel's reasons for rayn to be mafia are LITERALLY COMPLETELY OPPOSITE to his. Really guys?  | ||
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On July 05 2019 15:38 Trfel wrote: Come to think of it, they killed Holyflare despite him being highly suspected. I wonder if part of that was because he was starting to doubt his scumread of Eversince? oh jesus this is just a really bad post. | ||
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On July 05 2019 17:10 Trfel wrote: Gonna take a break and get Eversince's filter after. After this posts everything except about Eversince. | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:48 Jockmcplop wrote: rayn is very town so far. Maybe conversion too although I'm not agreeing with him. Mafia Maybe trfel Pandain is lynchworthy from that opening. I was town for doing what i am now mafia for. | ||
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On July 06 2019 09:36 Trfel wrote: Makes me wonder if raynpelikoneet really is the best lynch today, everything else aside. Though if we are going to lynch him anyway part of me just wants to get it over with, no sense prolonging losing; but I need to think. And please correct me if any of the associative reads I made are wrong or weak. What does this mean? It doesn't even make any sense. On July 06 2019 14:45 Trfel wrote: Oh and I keep meaning to add, @raynpelikoneet, I tried my absolute hardest to interpret your filter and figure out which posts your townreads came from. One of my long spoilered posts has the logic of why I figured it was the posts it was. I can reevaluate given what you have said now, to the best of my abilities. and when will this happen? you keep saying you're going to do this but then you do something else. | ||
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On July 06 2019 13:55 Eversince wrote: I still think Eywa is scum for reasons I said before. The Jock/Rayn interaction makes no sense if they are a team. I think t!Jock here still makes sense and m!Rayn is pushing weak reasons. Eywa hard defending Rayn only makes sense if Eywa already knows it's between t!ES/ m!Rayn so leaving one of us alive will make people waffle the entire game and town loses. Eversince here talking like Trfel is town, which she shouldn't assume since Trfel can be mafia with anyone in this game, or should be in ES's mind. Nut because ES is talkign to Trfel she just leaves Trfel out of her analysis. | ||
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On July 06 2019 09:36 Trfel wrote: Eywa- and Eversince probably aren't mafia together because they've been pushing each other all game. Raynpelikoneet and Jockmcplop probably aren't mafia together because the double bus here would be completely unnecessary. Raynpelikoneet and Eversince probably aren't mafia together because raynpelikoneet has been pushing Eversince so long and she didn't give up. To be honest I could kinda see this one but probably not so I'll ignore it for now. Leaves raynpelikoneet and Eywa-, Jockmcplop and Eywa-, and Jockmcplop and Eversince. Makes me wonder if raynpelikoneet really is the best lynch today, everything else aside. Though if we are going to lynch him anyway part of me just wants to get it over with, no sense prolonging losing; but I need to think. And please correct me if any of the associative reads I made are wrong or weak. I am going to challenge this. In your mind i can only be mafia with Eywa, meaning if i am mafia Eywa is ALWAYS mafia, so why are you lynching me? Like you're choosing to lynch a player you aren't sure is mafia but if they are another player is ALWAYS mafia. That said another player also fits into another mafia team. Why are you doing this? Because "let's just get over with it"? | ||
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On July 06 2019 21:53 Eversince wrote: Literally lynching between you and me PROVES Eywa is mafia. Unless your mafia with Jock, not possible I think.. So your being super dense here! I am not sure why i am playing a logical deduction game when this is the level of logic we get. | ||
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On July 07 2019 01:06 Jockmcplop wrote: You literally used the fact that i made a case on you to 'prove' that I had 'outed' myself as mafia. That's omgus, my friend. It's not omgus because your reasoning is full of shit and i pointed out why. You read me mafia parlty for same stuff you read me town for earlier on. Therefore you are using the same reasoning to call me different alignments when nothing in the game should suggest that. You have never taken any stance on Eversince, not tried to prove why the case on her is wrong, and then you call me mafia for my D1 end when i was the ONLY person who ACTUALLY defended Conversion. I literally pointed out why Grackaroni's case was crap and i thought Grackaroni is mafia for it. I thought that would be enough but the dumbjheads went and voted for his still 2 minutes into eod. You call me mafia for not "re-evaluating the game" when nothing suggests that i should re-evaluate my read on Eversince, literally fucking nothing, and at the same time you have been wrong on everything in this game pretty much but you simply deny the fact that you could be wrong on Eversince too (every dead townie in this game aside from Grackaroni thought ES is mafia -- and honestly i think those players are better than you). The implication that rayn+eywa are mafia is also fucking retarded since rayn+eywa team has the LEAST incentive to kill Holyflare because rayn+eywa are Holyflare's top town reads. eversince and grackaroni are holyflare's scumreads, we know grackaroni is town so why the fuck does rayn+eywa not let holyflare to lead the town to it's doom????? (that's also a point on your stupid re-evaluation accusation). So yeah, there is that. | ||
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On July 07 2019 01:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Rayn what's with the long unreadable unformatted blocks of text dude? the post is very easy to read. if you dont have patience to do that maybe you should think if this ais a right game for you. | ||
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On July 07 2019 01:31 Jockmcplop wrote: You haven't looked like you've even tried to figure out the night reads though. You certainly haven't shown any interest in helping the rest of town figure it out either, you just call everything bullshit and insist you are right. Like this is the shittiest point you have made all game long. I think this is probably the shittiest point made in this game. Explain to me, and everyone, why should i reconsider my read on Eversince? What has happened after D1 that should make me reconsider my read? | ||
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On July 07 2019 01:35 Trfel wrote: And yes I do scumread you. then why am i mafia? | ||
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On July 07 2019 01:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Also, if you're gonna come at me like that why the fuck were posting this shit after i said i was leaving yesterday. Its a blatant lie! You just ignored it when I pointed out yesterday too I never said I was gonna read ES you're just lying cos you thought i wasn't here reading it. I am sorry i didn't know i am unallowed to post when you say you are not around. | ||
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On July 07 2019 01:45 Jockmcplop wrote: Nice deflection, but you can post whenever you want but if you lie about me i'm gonna point it out. Show me a post from D2 where you have made a town case on eversince and where you debunk the arguments that have been posted on her? Hell i dont even fucking know why anyone scumreads Eywa???? | ||
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On July 07 2019 01:51 Jockmcplop wrote: I never said I wanted to read ES to contribute, therefore I never broke my promise to do so. This whole thing is just a lie. I think this is a heavy suggestion towards that: On July 05 2019 16:28 Jockmcplop wrote: From my POV the following are possible mafia teams Rayn/eywa (my number 1 bet) ES/trfel (Ima die of embarrassment if this is it and I push to lynch rayn) trfel/eywa trfel/rayn (unlikely) Either way by sitting and figuring this out we can come up with strong reasons to lynch someone. Here you say you want to sit and figure this out but everything after this post you have posted indicates that you made a decision and then made the reasoning "fit" to your already made conclusion. You simply never ever even for a second show any interest of doing what i underlined and bolded in your post. It's not a lie, everyone can go to Jock's filter and read byu themselves. My read on ES is based off the fact that I can't see mafia motivation in her posts. But that's not a read, that's just a sentence that sounds nice but doesn't have any proof behind it. Its also based off the fact I disagree with your case about the thing said about grack that you interpreted one way and ES says she meant a different way. I couldn't care less how ES expalined her posts. She literally called grack town for the same resons she later on said he can be mafia for. That's never coming from a townie and there is no other explanation for that than she is mafia. Period. The reason I'm townreading her now is because from my POV, as I explained yesterday, the only likely teams are you/eywa or ES/trfel and I find you and eywa to be more likely to be mafia. I don't need to make a town case on ES for that to be true or logical. see here you do this once again. you have decided who is mafia so "therefore ES has to be town". Like ffs, that's not a read, that's just bullshit. What jock is doing here is "because ES is town then the most likely team is rayn+eywa, and that makes ES town". Fucking circular reasoning, why can't anyone see this? | ||
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On July 07 2019 01:55 Trfel wrote: Basically this is why I'm scumreading you. I'm on a phone, as I have been the vast majority of the game (why I didn't say I was voting), so posting is a bit harder/slower. So I'm not going to quote your response but off the top of my head: 1. I looked at every single post that Conversion and Grackaroni made in the time windows for the reads you gave. Maybe I quoted the wrong post but I looked at them all, and I still feel like the substance behind the reads is weak and it feels like TMI to me. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation of what happened. 2. I quoted a list of posts that suggest that shenanigans could happen, from the main thread. You didn't need to look at the voting thread to know that Conversion was gaining a lot of traction. I knew it, I never looked at the voting thread (phone posting). You never mentioned it or anything during that time, it didn't seem to change or affect your play at all. You've given your explanation, I could be wrong but I have a hard time believing it. 3. Again, you gave your explanation, it kinda makes sense for this one. I'm still a bit surprised you would get as mad as you did if you are town but it's whatever. 1. I simply read people like i do, i do that every single game i have ever played. And every single game someone doesn't understand my reads and i get called mafia for it. Funnily enough i am well aware of that and i don't actually do that as mafia, because i know i might get scumread for it. As mafia i just post what people want to hear. I simply have no reason as mafia to read Grackaroni or Conversion as town. Well maybe conversion yeah because he agreed with what i was thinking at the time and was pushing my top scumread. But that should make me even less mafia because it makes perfect sense, and should make perfect sense to everyone that i townread Conversion. 2. You weren't around and i didn't think it will happen. I have said many times in many games i don't reads the voting thread unless i go to vote, because i expect people to not ninja since i don't think that's fair. I hate voting threads. If you lynch me because i didn't read the voting thread or because you gave no notification about yourself and i should somehow assume you are around i will stop playing this game and never ever play another game. That's regardless of what my affiliation in this game is so even if you think i am mafia you can take that as a fact. Furthermore i did what i think was necessary. I explained why i did say things and why i didn't. That's it, maybe you should stop doign those shennies since the day phase is 48 hours and not 2 minutes. | ||
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On July 04 2019 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: The first two things i think are actually "reads". Other stuff (aside from the last sentence) is just what Conversion has posted. I mean you can't really say "conversion posted this and that, he's mafia", that's not really a read. My problem is the first two things (the read ones) were posted before you EVER mention Conversion in your filter, and youu only do it once, and you call him your strongest town read. So what gives? I could understand last sentence as PoE but since your read on him (based on your filter) was almost confirmed town i don't understand how he flips on your scum side of reads? I understand you can possibly change opinion ans hit when you read more but to me nothing in your filter rn indicates i should believe what you say here. defending conv. On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players. stuff on es On July 04 2019 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all. stuff on es On July 04 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly. more stuff on es. I am not sure what i should have done? Mindlessly saying "conversion is town" or "es is mafia" doesn't accomplish anything so i am genuinely confused about what i "should have done"? | ||
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On July 04 2019 16:15 Trfel wrote: Also, I reread Eversince's filter. I still kinda think she is town but I'm not going to try and save her again, if she is lynched so be it. I accept the possibility that I could be wrong. | ||
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On July 04 2019 21:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Mafia won't shoot me surely. I couldn't have had a dumber day 1 if i'd tried. | ||
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On July 05 2019 15:03 Trfel wrote: Okay, I nominate myself as town leader, as Pandain is taking a break and I'm the only person I know I can trust. As town, we need to vote together. I currently think that Eversince is town, I will re-evaluate but unless I see things very differently I will stick to this until End of Day. However if by then I (and her) are unable to convince you that Eversince is likely town, I will vote her with you to consolidate and make sure we vote together and hope that I am wrong. Sound fair? | ||
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On July 07 2019 17:56 Pandain wrote: Trfel also heavily defended ES from early on Day1. Is this important? They both did. But neither of them shouldn't because the people they thought are mafia flipped town and also almost all of them (especially the mafia night kill) called ES mafia. Idk, did Jock call HF mafia during N1? | ||
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On July 04 2019 21:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Mafia won't shoot me surely. I couldn't have had a dumber day 1 if i'd tried. I don't understand this post from N1 because Jock's preferred lynch was Holyflare (unflipped) and he voted for Conversion over ES because he thinks ES is town. It's not "the most dumb D1" if you can't get your target lynched and you consolidated between two townies onto who you think will more likely to flip mafia. Like if ES is town and Holyflare is mafia as jock believes here during N1, why exactly jock "couldn't have had a dumber day 1 if he tried"? | ||
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On July 07 2019 18:08 Pandain wrote: Did he ever rethink his read on ES? During day2? I mean I still thought from ESs tone she was town but I was obviously way less sure when she flipped. Neither of them did. | ||
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On July 06 2019 16:31 Trfel wrote: Trfel's Notes, Volume 2 Eversince Edition Disclaimer, I'm largely going to ignore all of the arguing. Partially because it's tedious, mostly because I don't think it means much. I've already looked through at a high level for generic feel and overall flow, and to be honest I liked what I found, but I wanted to take a closer look at the substance behind the reads themselves. Organized by player. on Trfel: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 02 2019 03:29 Eversince wrote: Pretty early on into the game. Post 61. What had I posted by then? Really just these two posts:Ok! I like Truffles to. On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote: andNever mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on I think Eversince is town, discuss? On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote: As biased as I am (I do love being townread), honestly seems like a pretty easy and substance-less read. But let's see how it gets followed up.Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread On July 02 2019 11:31 Eversince wrote: This is post 104, what else had I posted by now? You can look at my filter for yourself, but the answer is a lot of posts explaining my townread of Eversince. Kinda understandable that she would pay more attention to reads on herself, but this still seems suspicious, giving such a strong townread when I've only provided one read. Feels like a bit of TMI. I remember she explained her townread on me later, let's see how that matches what's happened though. Also, I think her reads on other people might be a good indicator of if these easy townreads are characteristic of Eversince's play, or if this just happened because I was townreading her (I know I'm more likely to townread people who townread me, as much as I try to fight it).Yeah ok. Pandain giving Truffles a townread and saying I didn't do anything is just trash! But at least he asnwer me. Conversion is fine for doubting it. He's not dirving an agenda but just doesn't believe, that's ok I think. Truffles is so town it hurts! Why are you guys skeptical on him? I'll be here! who wants to talk? On July 02 2019 11:38 Eversince wrote: Hm, I've only made one conclusion.He's very open on how he comes to conclusions. Look at his filter all game. He's just an open book to me.. What issue am I missing? On July 02 2019 11:46 Eversince wrote: This makes a little more sense. I know Eversince values getting people to talk and getting the thread moving, especially early on, and that is something that I try to do as well. Still suspect but slightly grounded in reality.Ok. But how he got them made sense to me. My mafia/town play is very different. I have a very hard time to play as mafia. Coming to the conclusion I am town because I'm in thread, engaging with people, and trying to get things moving at the start of day is ok I think. He's not pushing anything because of his read on me so where is he trying to take it if he's m!Truffles right now? on Pandain: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 02 2019 03:46 Eversince wrote: Fair, even if I don't necessarily agree with this being super suspicious I understand why it could seem that way to someone. The real question is, is the followup there?You giving him t!Truffle but null reading me when his only post is t!ES is what I'm having a hard time with in that scenario. Why is it ok to put him as strong townread, have me as no idea? On July 02 2019 11:31 Eversince wrote: Yeah ok. Pandain giving Truffles a townread and saying I didn't do anything is just trash! But at least he asnwer me. Conversion is fine for doubting it. He's not dirving an agenda but just doesn't believe, that's ok I think. Truffles is so town it hurts! Why are you guys skeptical on him? I'll be here! who wants to talk? On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote: The same read as previously shared, really.I don't like Pandain's weird Truffle town read. It would be fine but putting Truffles town and me null at that early was just weird. I get why he says I'd be 'forced' to be active but at least I'm trying. I'm very obvious to just ask if you want me to explain anything. So giving Truffles a town read and nulling me when I am around is just.. off. On July 02 2019 13:20 Eversince wrote: That makes a lot more sense.To clarify Pandain problem: If you give Truffles town read there and someone your not sure about is known to be active, why not just try to get a better read on them? The fact he didn't bother to interact is bigger issue to me I think. I don't want to spend all of day 1 tunneled on Pandain though. What are your thoughts? On July 02 2019 15:22 Eversince wrote: And after a bit of discussion:You can vote me I don't care! I 'seriously' believe that you gave Truffles a town read for doing the exact same thing I was trying to do. But I'm null. (I don't care if you want to read me mafia, but don't use reasons you yourself used to town somebody)! I don't mean I deserve anything. I'm just pushing at walls trying to get thread moving,engage with people and bounce ideas. The fact you think that's questionable is serious concerning. Let's talk though Pand I don't want to waste half this game tunneled on you if you are town. On July 02 2019 15:51 Eversince wrote: This is good follow-up! Continued to talk about the Pandain suspicion, then brought it up to Pandain, they talk about it, and are able to reach (to some extent anyway) a resolution! Feels like trying to figure out alignments to me.No Pand, that actually makes lots of sense and makes me feel better about you! While your here have thoughts on everyone else? How about my Conv point? On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote: Continuing to follow up, moving towards a tentative town read on Pandain it seems due to lack of mafia motivation and similarities to Pandain's previous (town) game. Makes sense, even if I don't entirely agree with the mafia motivation point.Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here? On July 02 2019 17:03 Eversince wrote: And Jockmcplop makes a solid point, about the mafia motivation for Pandain's play versus the town motivation. Eversince takes note and is suspicious of Pandain again. Once again this makes sense, but is the follow-up there?That's are actually good points. It's a toss away vote which can gain traction later (If he actually thinks I'm scum here for it why not talk to me?), which is either terrible town or mafia agenda. -sigh- I might have to tunnel Pand again this whole game. Hopefully he's actually mafia. On July 03 2019 01:35 Eversince wrote: And a few posts about actively trying to avoid talking about Pandain due to being tunneled on town Pandain the previous game. Makes sense, understandable.Sadly it's probably in the lurker pile. Ewya isn't even playing. FF ask for a replace though so maby that's the problem. Wouldn't lynch. HF hasn't been useful but it will correct itself soon. Pand seems fishy to me but I always waffle on him. On July 03 2019 06:19 Eversince wrote: Fairly accurate summary.Yes Pandain. I spent the whole last game we played waffling on you reasoning. I don't want that to be an issue for this one! I understood one point you made to say I'm lying is kind of trash. I got what you where trying to say, other people posted some stuff, I start to waffle Pandain again. That's why you not in my lynch pool today I much rather go Conv/Ewya for what I posted already. on Conversion: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote: Non-commital, bleh. But again, what is the follow-up to this?Conversion entrance seemed bleh. But I see what he was saying now. Using 4 year meta read is kind of bad. But sadly, I don't play as much anymore. Conv pointing it out, giving a decent reason for it, not commenting on the rest of game.. That seems questionable to me. There wasn't much content (still not) but I'll decide on that when I see how he actually plays! On July 02 2019 13:25 Eversince wrote: Makes sense. That's a valid point, and something worth being suspicious of.Actually thinking on that Conversion is really kind of bleh. Maby it's time issue. Coming in, throwing an easy valid point, and fucking right back off is scary to me. On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote: The problem with Conversion is that he came in, rehashed a valid point, ignored the rest of the thread and left. On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote: Is this really a lynch-worthy reason though? Worth being suspicious of but I don't feel it's lynch worthy at all. Hm...I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash. On July 02 2019 18:37 Eversince wrote: And a few other posts saying similar things. But it seems like Eversince is noticing this suspicious pattern (saying one valid thing and leaving) in Conversions's play and is suspicious of his play as a whole because of this pattern, which makes some sense (see here).Ok. I read through his filter from that game real fast. Posting style seems very different from here. I'm ok with lynching you (e/n: Conversion) for coming into thread, saying 1 perfect valid thing, ignoring the rest of the thread, fucking right off. Don't misunderstand me  ! I give Grack a pass because I've on/off played with him 4 years now and expect this type of thing.=I'm not going to immediately scum read you. on Grackaroni: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 02 2019 13:26 Eversince wrote: I think Grack is just being usual Grack again. On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote: Hint of TMI, but it's not really a townread, it's just a refusal to lynch Day 1. Really it feels more like Eversince is trying to keep her options open. But overall it's an understandable viewpoint IMO.I think your point about both are fine. Rayn generally will push hard, but not get irate with you, if he thinks your doing something. If he isn't sure he's not going to try to put you on a stick and burn you. The problem with Conversion is that he came in, rehashed a valid point, ignored the rest of the thread and left. Grack's just a special one. He's got a funny personal attitude. I'm not wanting to lynch him today. He'll pick up and engage like he did last game or then we can lynch. But he's not trying to move us anywhere. Which is trash town play. But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. On July 02 2019 18:37 Eversince wrote: Ok. I read through his filter from that game real fast. Posting style seems very different from here. I'm ok with lynching you for coming into thread, saying 1 perfect valid thing, ignoring the rest of the thread, fucking right off. Don't misunderstand me ! I give Grack a pass because I've on/off played with him 4 years now and expect this type of thing.=I'm not going to immediately scum read you. On July 03 2019 17:44 Eversince wrote: Decent followup, makes sense and is true to what Eversince said earlier. However, she keeps her vote on Eywa-, who she is heavily scumreading at this time. Makes a lot of sense.I've already said what I feel about Grack. His poor contribution after I defend him so hard is bleh though. I'd be ok with lynching him to be honest. On July 04 2019 20:53 Eversince wrote: Followup makes sense, could still be mafia setting up tentatively for an easy mislynch though.Yeah, Pand is strait useless.. Grack I expected to be but the fact he is still is is super meh. Ewya is still scummy for stuff I said before. but w/e let's look at the game. Rayn not having a read on me yet is starting to worry me. t!Rayn could be waffled here but m!Rayn would just want free point when t!ES lynched Conv the parity cop. on Holyflare: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 03 2019 02:50 Eversince wrote: Post 357. What had Holyflare done to warrant this? A point on Pandain, a point on Trfel, a point on Eversince, then a push onto Eversince for the Holyflare mafia meta thing. Seems a bit weak to suddenly jump from a null/afk read to a townread, almost feels like she is trying to appease Holyflare by praising his play and townreading him. Hm...But you are clearly now showing I wasn't wrong to do it anyway because your being super town. So Wrong reason, same result! On July 04 2019 04:01 Eversince wrote: @HF I can't explain this any better. I DID answer you. Your COMPLETELY IGNORING it. I don't make huge cases anymore. I've JUST gave you two other people I have made issues with. You push me for doing what I just did. Are you just scum HF? On July 04 2019 13:30 Eversince wrote: Fair enough.Rayn please.. Then I try to talk with HF to see if m!HF is just pushing off on easy ES lynch. I like his responses though so I don't think he's mafia for it. On July 04 2019 14:09 Eversince wrote: Not sure exactly why, but there was definitely some discussion here, it makes some sense.I was curious because m!HF can push t!ES there super easy. He was early but didn't vote me until later. I thought it was opportunistic! I had a meta read on HF (That I'm lynch with fire yesterday), wasn't ENITRELY wrong to have though becauses here HF playing townie! I get why he would not like my meta read when I can't prove it. I wanted to make sure m!HF isn't pushing easy town lynch. So I talked to him. He still wants to lynch me and I feel like his reason is crap but I think it's more likely t!HF here is trying to reach for straws than m!HF kill the easiest town! I get how he got there and I felt for a second there he wash pushing on me for easy reasons..That's why I said I don't think it's coming from m!HF but you can't say his read there isn't weak in reasons. on raynpellikoneet: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 03 2019 03:09 Eversince wrote: Meh I think HF isn't scum for his points. Rayn just seems to be tumbling his brain.. Which is towny to me in the sense he's trying to figure things out. Conv I have issues with that I posted before. And Ewya is bothering me too. I need to think on her more yet. on Eywa-: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 03 2019 04:28 Eversince wrote: Fair. This is post 384, before Eywa- posted their reasons for scumreading Eversince. This read makes plenty of sense.Okok, I can stay and work home tonight (hopefully).. The biggest problem here Ewya is you just want to kill me. I'm easy vote at this point. It's a toss out vote to look townie so why? You can't be bothered to explain much else. That looks weird to me. That makes life hard though if you are scum over lost town. I'll have to filter again.. When Eywa- does post their reasons for scumreading Eversince, Eversince addresses those reasons, doesn't like them, and votes for Eywa-. I don't feel like diving into it, you can start here if you would like to do so. I don't feel like this is terribly alignment indicative for Eversince either way. On July 03 2019 13:53 Eversince wrote: Ewya every post you make makes me think your more mafia. Your play here makes absolute no sense. Conclusion: Some posts seem to be suspicious, some posts really feel like Eversince is trying to figure out players' alignments. Pretty mixed bag. This makes me lean towards Eversince being town due to tone, meta, and not knowing Holyflare died or how many lynches were still needed. Probably the most interesting thing I found was that Eversince had posted a lot more reads on players than I had expected, many of them with original thought (whether you agree or disagree). And most of the read transitions make sense. @Eversince: 1. Why did you townread me (Trfel) early on? It feels like you townread me really, really easily, all I had to do was say I thought you were town. And you have never really backed down from this read all game. It feels a bit like TMI, or like you're trying to buddy me? 2. What exactly about Conversion made him lynch-worthy to you? I get that being absent for long periods and posting thoughts sporadically and not really interacting with the thread is suspicious, but is that alone really worthy of a lynch? Was it a pattern of behavior or just the first time that you noticed? If a pattern of behavior, how did that change as Conversion posted more? this is the post Trfel made on ES, yet the conclusion is "tone and meta" (other stuff doesn't even make sense since he has earlier said ES is capable of strong scum play so why can't she just outright lie about not knowing who died?). 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On July 07 2019 18:25 Pandain wrote: I think you can say someone can have strong scumplay and still think you can read them on tone. It's not the biggest contradiction. I agree to some extent but Trfel made posts where he clearly implies he is actually going to re-evaluate and at least to me it looked like he never really did that on ES. ES even answers Trfel and he never follows that up and just calls me mafia. Also he cleary said he will be voting for ES if it comes to that, then he doesn't. I don't think it's impossible Trfel's case on me comes from mafia but those things above are very very fishy in my opinion. | ||
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On July 07 2019 18:27 Pandain wrote: No I agree, although the HF points were pretty weak. I mean it's weird once the Grack flips turn out, given it was the only thing making Jock think ES is town, that he never seriously even thought about ES. AND HF flip too, that's what i am basically saying. | ||
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On July 07 2019 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's incorrect. Trfel called me mafia before you did or at least heavily indicated he thinks i am mafia. Not even indicated, just straingt up called me mafia before you did. So that's a lie. | ||
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On July 05 2019 05:07 Jockmcplop wrote: I didn't say it made you anything. I said you seem like you're in a hurry. On July 05 2019 05:26 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't know. All my mafia reads died and were town. I'm officially back to square one. this is where you stop posting On July 05 2019 14:38 Trfel wrote: I dunno what to think. Raynpelikoneet, Eywa-, jockmcplop, Eversince. Two of the four are mafia. I need to take another look at raynpelikoneet, he's got a strong scum game and I feel like something like that is happening. Frankly it feels like all four of you have strong scum games which means it's probably a lost cause but I will keep trying! On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote: So I've got: trfel + es vs rayn + pandain at the moment, right? On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote: I'm not mafia and I refuse to be lynched, better try something else. Judging purely by gamestate here it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though Jockmcplop, can I ask you why I should be towreading you? (not a challenge, honest question) On July 05 2019 15:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Actually trfel you are 100% mafia Definitely My logic before didn't quote work BUT Rayn/ES isn't a possible mafia team here,right? Pandain isn't mafia I'm not mafia therefore mafia is trfel/ES or trfel/rayn Tell me why this is wrong On July 05 2019 15:20 Jockmcplop wrote: ##vote trfel On July 05 2019 15:29 Jockmcplop wrote: I've had a nightmare game wrong about everything. Before my brain fart this morning I was thinking Eywa/rayn for possible scum team. Can you now stop lying? | ||
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On July 07 2019 18:46 Jockmcplop wrote: Not lying just got it wrong. Fuck this. You guys decide. I'm already making it worse. Vote trfel. I have a problem believing you here since you literally quoted Trfel's post where he calls me mafia and voted for him while having a null-read on me and then you don't remember he called me mafia before you?? | ||
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On July 07 2019 18:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Cos we ended up lynching trfel after i went back and forth on a bunch of people,never had any solid reads and ended up no smarter about the gamestate than when i started. but how does that make sense when your mafia read holyflare is alive and your townread ES wasn't lynched? Like you didn't want to lynch your townread and people didn't believe (enough that) your mafia read is mafia. Why do you think you were even doing anything wrong there? Also question in point; if you believed what you said there why didn't you go back and re-eval ES? | ||
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On July 07 2019 18:53 Jockmcplop wrote: Because when I went back and looked i found the post by trfel that quite heavily suggests the opposite is true. If you dont believe fine i'm not gonna convince if you think i'm gonna hang around while you call me a liar for the next 3 days your badly mistaken. I apologized for my shit play, I'm done with that now and I'm pretty much done with your aggression also because I just can't be arsed any more. I am sorry if you feel offended but this is a mafia game and people accuse other people, right or wrong. You said something that is not true and i questioned you for it. I think you should try to explain why Trfel (or me or Eywa) is mafia. "I know i am town" isn't acceptable because i am sure you are smart enough to know people who are town don't know if you are town or not. | ||
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I still don't get though how Trfel continuously said he's going to re-evaluate ES and did nothing but a half-arsed summary of her posts. I think Jock looks better there since Jock i think is more liekly to believe in his read on ES based on what he said in thread. | ||
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On July 09 2019 01:20 Eywa- wrote: Mostly confidently misguided is town [...] idk maybe you're right. | ||
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On July 05 2019 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: explain then. you have: pandain + rayn ES + trfel pandain turns out to be vigilante why is trfel 100% mafia but ES is not 100% mafia? I really can't get over his. | ||
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On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote: So I've got: trfel + es vs rayn + pandain at the moment, right? It is true that he has forgotten about you Eywa but it's not important, let's live in a world where you don't exist. Trfel calls me mafia. Jock posts this: On July 05 2019 15:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Actually trfel you are 100% mafia Definitely My logic before didn't quote work BUT Rayn/ES isn't a possible mafia team here,right? Pandain isn't mafia I'm not mafia therefore mafia is trfel/ES or trfel/rayn Tell me why this is wrong Why does the possible mafia teams expand into Trfel + rayn too? Like in eight minutes he suddenly figures this out too? Or he figures out he has made a mistake and needs to find other possibilities because if what he first said is "right" we are going to lynch Eversince and they want to win right there. | ||
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Yes i know what you said in that post and i answered you "that's not what you said originally". Actually why didn't you believe Pandain is a vigilante? | ||
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1) you said you wont inrerfere with ES lynch if it comes to that after D1 and then you did just the complete opposite. 2) you said multiple timesi you will re-eval ES then you made a summary of her posts and said she is town for meta while you even found suspicious posts. I find that a lackluster re-evaluation. 3) you wanted to lynch me over eywa while at that time based on your posting and your possible scumteams you werent at all sure if i am mafia and i was ONLY mafia in case eywa is. You simply had no reason to vote for me instead of eywa regardless of how strong hour scumread is (and based on your posting it even wasnt that strong). I dont buy the "if we are lynching rayn lets just get over it immediately" argument because it is a shit argument. 4) you called jock null/suspicious, argued with him, agreed with him and then said you STILL think jock is town. 5) if you are town you should be trying to prove why jock is mafia. "I am more townie" isnt an argument. Last night when eywa made a post on you i went to read tropical storm. In that game i lead a lyncyh on you because you called ruxxxar mafia for like 72 hours and after that i asked you why ruxxar is mafia and you didint remember what he had posted all game. I honestly see tje same elements in your play here, mainly on the points i brought up. | ||
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On July 09 2019 14:37 Trfel wrote: Thanks for taking the time to answer. 1) Like I said, I meant that I wouldn't vote to save Eversince or try to save Eversince, not that I wouldn't try to lynch a different scumread. 2) Sorry you find it lackluster. I messed up, at least I tried. 3) That was why I did it. Shrug 4) After talking about it with Jockmcplop, I thought about it and decided he was town. I just didn't bother to say it in the thread, maybe I should have done so. 5) Would it really make a difference if I made a case on Jockmcplop? I don't feel like it would matter. 1) i guess you could be telling the truth or lying here. I dont really see what your explanation even means based on how you felt on n1 (bad about the lynch based on your posting) and because i dont see a difference between d1 lynch and d2 lynch. I mean just because conv was shennied i dont really understand the difference. 2-3) okay 4) you bothered to say it. The problem is you said you STILL think he is town when you just LATELY figured out he is town. It feels like at the time you wanted to say you have had a town read on him for some time when it definitely wasnt the case. 5) ofc. If youre town and he is mafia i am obviously missing something. My scumread on jock got pretty much debunked because i had misread his starting point on D2. My strongest point was that he found a target and tried to make the evidence fit and thats not necessarily the case anymore. | ||
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But yesterday i realised he wasnt actually calling those original "possible scumteams" possible scumteams. I have read the word "vs" as "or" throughout D2. I will take another look, unfortunately that will not happen before 8 hrs from now as thats when i get off work. Id like others to contribute aswell if possible. | ||
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Pandain votes for ES D1 because "I don't know how she can seriously believe she "deserves" a town read this early in the take when absolutely nothing has happened" Jock says case/vote is "half-arsed" Conversion makes a case on ES, jock responds with "[Conversion's post] is a list of her posts with some commentary that is meant to make them look bad" Next i say Jock isn't correct. Jock disagrees with me and says he is null on ES. Then he calls Conversion's case omgus and that's "also why i am reticent to go agreeing with conversion" Jock says "although I'm interested in ES assuming that we should townread her and why we shouldn't talk about her trfel townread." (we will see if this is ever followed up or not later on) Then he says Conversion (and rayn) are town. I already talked about how i find it weird and possibly scummy how jock, when he started callign me mafia, called me mafia for "you have done nothing but pushed ES for 72 hrs", well yeah, here he apparently reads me town for that. Let's see where and why does the mind on Conversion change. At this point there should never ever be a world where jock votes for Conversion over eversince. Then he asks ES "can I ask exactly what it is about trfel that you find makes him town?" Let's see if there is a follow up. "All this stuff [on ES] coming from rayn, hf and conversion seems kinda weak to be honest" "Honestly I'm not scum reading any of those guys. They are all townreads for me right now, i just don't see the ES stuff." July 02 2019 21:13 MSK Pandain, who is btw Jock's top scumread with Eywa at the time, says he wants to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. Jock responds with: "I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself. I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though." I am not sure why you would want to look into your top 2 scumreads scumreads (one of which you townread, grack was being grack, Trfel maybe), especially when that doesn't include your top 1 scumread and has no reasoning why he (Pandain) wants to vote for them?!?!? At the moment ES is leading wagon with me, HF and Conv voting for her. Jock (apparently) looks into Grack first and says this: "[quotes of some posts] I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? " Do you want to guess who was doing just that? Jesus fuck should i jsut stop here? He just agreed with every case on ES!!!! Jock votes for grack. Jock says "If you just look at the vote count you would think there's some serious evidence that ES is mafia, but there isn't any, there's just a multitude of bad cases." 10 hrs before deadline Jock has a slight town read on conversion. Then says he just can't get a good mafia read on anyone followed by he's just going to wait until near deadline and put my vote on whichever wagon looks like the best option. Then he starts pushing for HF. Scumread on HF is basically a defense on ES. 5 hrs before deadline Jock doesn't have a town read on ES. We go near to eod; Jock says: "I would vote grack to save ES but its gotta be soon" (fair) -> "Pandain switch to conversion with me" (not fair) I am thinking i want to change my vote. | ||
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- Jock never townreads ES during D1, yet he defends every single fucking point made on her - Jock votes for his townread over his null-read at eod. | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:13 Eywa- wrote: The fact that he only later explains that he voted conversion because of a scum read is awful... In this post he basically just says he read his filter, but doesn't explicitly state his EOD reads which is kind of what I'd be looking for town to do if they were justifying a fuck up. I understand. I would have wanted more from trfel but can you please look at what i just wrote? | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:22 Jockmcplop wrote: And yet when I said i had an awful day 1 rayn told me I did everything right as town on day 1. Make your mind up rayn lol... Like I said before I was all over the place on day 1. Didn't have any consistent reads at all. I just couldn't read the game (its pretty much this whole game tbh). I had a strong feeling at the end of the day that I didn't want ES to die. That's about all I can tell you. I never looked closely to your filter before because i was too busy lynching obvious mafia. Yeah at first glance i didn't see anything wrong with your D1. I don't see anywhere in your filter that suggests that you even had a remote townread on ES. You called me, Conversion and HF town (at some points), hell you never ever even call ES town in your filter. | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:33 Jockmcplop wrote: Like I said I just felt like ES shouldn't die. I know that sounds shit. Anything I say about it other than that would be trying to justify my actions in hindsight which doesn't really work. If you insist I come up with a reason I would say the ease with which everyone fell into scumreading and lynching ES made me uncertain that it was a good call. When you call people my townreads and scumreads you aren't really representing what I was thinking properly, I was utterly confused and didn't have any particularly strong reads. Mostly it was just slight leans one way or the other. I don't care if you had strong reads or not strong reads. I care about the reads you HAD. You never, even once in this game, call Eversince town during D1. You multiple times call Conversion town. You also don't call Pandain town, in fact you called him and Eywa mafia. That's what is in your filter. If you want to explain what posts made change your mind on any of them, well all of them, please do try. But right now i don't see any reason why i should be believing you. What i see i s you asked, at the eod, your scumread to vote for your townread over your nullread, that is a fact for me based on your filter. I don't think it's reasonable to say "yeah that's not really what i thought, i just didn't post it at the time", but if that's what you are gonna run with then at least make a proper post to explain what were all of the things that made you change your mind and why didn't you care enough to make a simple post like "my read on X has changed / my read on X is now this"? | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:49 Eywa- wrote: I read what you wrote Rayn... The issue I have with it is, Pandain, Grack and trfel also randomly pushed Conversion at end of day... I mean, trfel also said today that it wasn't due to a town read on ES, but a mafia read on Conversion? So... He didn't have a solid town read on ES, and he had not discussed anything negative about Conversion at all that day. So... Instead of posting something like "why not grack?" or point to someone he actually talked about, he re-read Conversion's filter (note: he didn't re-read ES who he claims he was not town reading to the point of saving). And he comes to the conclusion with 0 discussion that Conversion is definitely scummy. Well, that doesn't make much sense. There are even points during Day 1 where trfel liked Conversion I think... But I'd have to go back and check. I don't know who voted first, second and last but i know for a fact that Trfel ninja'ed so he didn't really "push conversion". Grackaroni was Jock's scumread around 10 hours before the deadline, so was Pandain. Why is he voting for his town read conversion with his apparent scumreads? Over voting for his null read? | ||
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So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read). Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote: Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated? Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn). | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:02 Trfel wrote: Day 1 vs Day 2... Day 1 saved Eversince Day 2 tried to vote for mafia (still thought Eversince was town, stupidly) yeah i messed up my post a little but yes, technically speaking there is nothing wrong with this here. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote: Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town. that's not right, at least he says it's not. he voted for me because he thought i am mafia. | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain. So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read). Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? really eywa, read this please. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:07 Trfel wrote: This is true, I still thought Eversince is town though, does it matter? Why can't I think both? Semantics... I do though have one problem with this, which i originally brought it up. Why didn't you change your vote onto eversince when pandain made it clear that's where he is going to vote? In an unlikely scenario that eywa is mafia and i am town you are losing the game for something you said you wouldn't do. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote: I read this. Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is? I know he is town but i would still lynch him if he was in the game or did the same stuff. I don't really remember what Grack did and what was his reasoning, i stopped caring about that when he got shot, but here's something i know: For me mafia isn't really about finding contradictions and shit like that, you know like "fake posts" and shit. I hate when people get called out purely based on something superficial. For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads. I don't believe Jock believes his assumed town read will flip mafia over his assumed scum read when he votes with two of his his assumed scum reads. I just don't believe it. The only reasonable explanation i can come up with that he went all in saving ES. I literally can't even think of a townie thought process for what he did based on what he said in thread in his D1 filter. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:20 Eywa- wrote: See.. Grack wasn't even on my radar day 1 due to how people were talking to/about him. So we disagree about whether or not he would have been a good lynch. Well we disagree on this then, because i have seriously no idea what "how other people talked to/about player X" has to do with player X's alignment, especially on D1. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:37 Eywa- wrote: I want people to read me off of what I'm thinking and not whether they agree with why I'm thinking that. So when you're town and playing a bad game you should be lynched? | ||
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I agree Trfel has been making bad posts. I think Jock's posts have more mafia motivation behind them though. Maybe it's a difference on how we see the game, maybe you are right maybe i am. I think i am. May i ask you though why did you scumread me last game since you were clearly wrong and i literally made one case that was good and on mafia? | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:56 Eywa- wrote: I scum read you every game, it's pretty much my default since I haven't figured out how to get a read on you... I find it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything. We townread each other in the stupid multi-faction game. Although that should not really be used as an example because i didn't really care shit about town in that game when i figured out i can make a deal with mafia and win N1. I don't think you have seen me playing as scum though? | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:56 Eywa- wrote: I also scum read you in that Italian Mafia that was super weird and never to be spoken of again. I am pretty sure we townread each other and then still just voted for each other | ||
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idiots I think i am good at finding town/mafia motivation in posting. Idk how good i am faking that since i haven't played as mafia in ages. I think i am right here. I think you are not. I think Trfel is town and jock is not. | ||
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On July 10 2019 03:09 Jockmcplop wrote: I think you have a weak point in your reading game when it comes to me rayn. Last time you scumread me 100% I turned out to be town too. yeah last game i was wrong on you so i am wrong on you always. that's your defense to completely valid point you are refusing to explain? | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care if you had strong reads or not strong reads. I care about the reads you HAD. You never, even once in this game, call Eversince town during D1. You multiple times call Conversion town. You also don't call Pandain town, in fact you called him and Eywa mafia. That's what is in your filter. If you want to explain what posts made change your mind on any of them, well all of them, please do try. But right now i don't see any reason why i should be believing you. What i see i s you asked, at the eod, your scumread to vote for your townread over your nullread, that is a fact for me based on your filter. I don't think it's reasonable to say "yeah that's not really what i thought, i just didn't post it at the time", but if that's what you are gonna run with then at least make a proper post to explain what were all of the things that made you change your mind and why didn't you care enough to make a simple post like "my read on X has changed / my read on X is now this"? I posted this an hour and half ago and that's all you come up with?? | ||
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On June 28 2019 15:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: the guy looks just like Jaw K'mik-plop. Ever's ince laughing in the background. Seems like a nice mafia game. quoting this for post game. i also solved the game before it started. | ||
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On July 10 2019 03:11 Jockmcplop wrote: I g2g to band practice don't move ya votes i'll try and check in near EoD but might no be able to why does he say that? why does it matter if he checks in near deadline or not? | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:17 Trfel wrote: You keep talking like I've been scumreading you all game which simply is not true. Look again. I dont think this is how mafia talks to confirmed town. | ||
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On July 10 2019 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think this is how mafia talks to confirmed town. not because it makes sense (the answer), just because it's fucking atrocious. | ||
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On July 10 2019 04:37 Conversion wrote: well played Rayn and Eversince fuck you Trfel for hammering me for no reason and not even addressing me at any point in the game, fuck you Jock for telling people I'm playing pissy when I wasn't, fuck you Grack for not even talking to me and calling me scum with 1 hr left to lynch, and finally a big ole fuck you to mafia MVP Pandain for lynching me for being null and then shooting Grack who you were colluding with until EoD1 to shenanigan onto me yeah you played really really well. i didnt even have to lie or twist the facts when you got lynched for no reason at all. i was literally never prepared in you getting lynched so i didnt think i needed to do anything (if i did i would have yelled to lynch ES since i thought HF will figure me out in 1 sec if i change my mind), on that front trfel's case D2 was not so good. I think i would have had that read on Grack if i was town, i cant say for sure but i think i would have done it early on. HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted 07-09-2019 02:18 PM ET (US) I told you all no lynch was optimal. Always no lynch after rayn's day 2. Why? I heavily disagree with no-lynching here, mafiajsut kills Pandain and then what? | ||
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On July 10 2019 04:47 Eversince wrote: Yeh, I kind of went over in obs but getting both blues D1 was a HUGE hit to town here. Conv checks depending might have made a big difference. his checks (re obs) would of outright confirmed Rayn as mafia (if he can convince) or confirm Rayn mafia when HF flips town.. i told you town's will do stupid things when i told you i cannot back off you or HF will figure me out. I played it on the fly after. I didn't want HF killed but i also wanted to shoot him N1, i was hoping someone would save him lol. It would give me more reasons to be alive when he and the other blue are dead, thankfully pandain kinda took care of that. | ||
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Maybe you had won, maybe i would have done some different things and we would see who gets lynched when it was sure bussing had occurred. idk. You were "right" there, i say "right" because it was some specific point and i have even no idea where that came from. But maybe yeah. | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:00 Eywa- wrote: Rayn just the right amount of not being around. idk what this means because i was literally around and posting every single moment i had when i was off working/sleeping/(during weekend drinking)? | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:04 Eywa- wrote: I think if ES gets lynched day 1, you actually have to play. As it was, it kind of dictated how D2+ would go. that is true. i agree. i can however "play" as mafia too, this game i didn't have to because i would have 100% done the same as town and jsut pushed the lynch on ES on D2 do or die. but yeah, you are right. | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:11 Holyflare wrote: Well because your day 2 was essentially opening up the entire game by calling the 2 townier people in the game mafia opportunistically and Eversince was known to have to afk after Friday so bussing was optimal. You played very well though either way. Gives you a whole lot more time to make errors too and search for more mafia but I guess the two people up for lynch didn't really give that great of a defence and seemed to just give up (even though they did try I guess). Obviously it's super different being in obs compared to in the game. I honestly never accounted ES' "possibly afking" into anything. I would never do that. I told her if she needs to go and cant play ask for a replacement. Idk who townier people i called mafia? I only called jock mafia i think and that was after when he made that case on me which i honestly thought was soooo bad (granted idk if it was "soooo bad" since i misread one of his posts). Idk about the last paragraph? Are you talking about D3 here earlier too or? | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:12 Eywa- wrote: I think Jock was super obviously town tbh. yeah i agree, but when someone fools you once you dont believe it, like trfel didnt. I see where you're coming from on that point though. i know i am contradicting what i said above but i would always lynch somone for what he did at the eod 1, even if they are town they just made +1 mafia thing. I really enjoyed this game, even though it's kind of broken if you fuck up D1/N1... I mean, if you fuck up D1/N1 with a vig, you should always lose though. it's not broken it is just hard. | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:16 Eywa- wrote: I think you're being critical of your play though, you never come out looking worse than Trfel tbh. idk why is he saying i called "two of the townier people mafia at the start of D2" because i called ES and noone else mafia? | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:19 Holyflare wrote: I dunno what to tell you, at one point you started going on Jock or someone just after I called jock and trfel really townie in obs and it looked really opportunistic and I called you 100% mafia and never backed down. So I must have seen something that you wouldn't ever do as town there. did i ever even call trfel mafia D2? because i don't think i did. If i am town Eywa is always town (because double bus retarded), Pandain is vigilante, so who am i gonna call scum if not trfel/jock + ES? :D | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:25 Holyflare wrote: I dunno what to tell you lol this isn't some mafia case. I just saw you opportunistically writing things in a way I don't think you would have as town on a day after I died towards jock and trfel who were super townie and called you 100% mafia for it :D okay. maybe you are right idk. | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:26 Holyflare wrote: It's just the way you went about discrediting them more than calling them mafia. It's your job as mafia to do but as town you would be about building stability and narrowing down town reads. It just looked like you went from having a town pool to discredit mode so you'd have options. Classic mafia play. hmmm idk, maybe there is some credit to this, i hope you dont use the discrediting thing against me (more than you already do) since i legitmately got angry because i was said things, i answered and then my answers got thrown off (when they actually made a lot of sense). | ||
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On July 10 2019 05:28 Eywa- wrote: Join my game if you want some more mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549612-5p-all-cops#1 It's quite PR heavy to contrast with this one nooooo i hate dethy | ||
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i will check out tomorrow. | ||
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On July 10 2019 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: i also claimed mafia on D3. i am interested if anyone noticed then or even now lol. + Show Spoiler + On Day 3 Rain pelican eat wrote: the guy looks just like Jaw K'mik-plop. Ever's ince laughing in the background. Seems like a nice mafia game. | ||
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On July 10 2019 06:52 Eversince wrote: I actually ignore role pm for half of D1 and just try to be town. I think you're mafia because you're lying. Idk why but you are. | ||
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