Me and Grack were just trying to survive..
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Eversince
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Me and Grack were just trying to survive.. | ||
Trfel
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On July 05 2019 16:02 Eversince wrote: If you're town, mafia doesn't really care what they do to be honest. In my opinion anyway.Ok! found! I reread and I think you have a good point. To me it still doesn't make sense for both scum to park the same place but I'm re-evaluate. | ||
Eversince
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On July 05 2019 16:05 Trfel wrote: If you're town, mafia doesn't really care what they do to be honest. In my opinion anyway. Nah mafia absolutely care. both don't want to be implicate when I flip town. So they never vote together here. | ||
Jockmcplop
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On July 05 2019 16:08 Eversince wrote: Nah mafia absolutely care. both don't want to be implicate when I flip town. So they never vote together here. You talking about day 1 vote or today's vote? | ||
Eversince
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Eversince
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On July 05 2019 16:09 Jockmcplop wrote: You talking about day 1 vote or today's vote? d1! | ||
Jockmcplop
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On July 05 2019 16:08 Eversince wrote: Nah mafia absolutely care. both don't want to be implicate when I flip town. So they never vote together here. I don't know if I agree with this. What you're saying, in fact, is that one of myself and trfel must be mafia, and the other one must be rayn/eywa. So you're looking at a situation of eya/jock or eywa/trfel | ||
Jockmcplop
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If you're town, as you say you are: Why would I be trying to divert the lynch away from you, why would trfel, if either of us was mafia at this point? | ||
Eversince
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On July 05 2019 16:12 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't know if I agree with this. What you're saying, in fact, is that one of myself and trfel must be mafia, and the other one must be rayn/eywa. So you're looking at a situation of eya/jock or eywa/trfel I don't think your mafia now Jock. I'm saying mafia doesn't want to put the entire team on me so when I flip town everyone is like 'Well shoot, just look at the votes! At a time when votes where crazy close between me and Grack. Then HF comes in and we shenanigans onto Conv. But we now know HF was town, didn't at the time. So it was town lead counter lynch. But this is pointless lets try to find scum! | ||
Eversince
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On July 05 2019 16:13 Jockmcplop wrote: You are literally accusing the only people who are trying to stop you being lynched today of being mafia How..? | ||
Trfel
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+ Show Spoiler [Unimportant] + raynpelikoneet On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does raynpelikoneet say this? This is post 94, what did Grackaroni say by this point? Grack might be town. On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote: This is Grackaroni's only post of substance. And to be honest Grackaroni doesn't actually say anything at all. So what was this read about again?Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old. I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take. On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Again, a random townread. What had Conversion posted by this point?Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me? ![]() On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote: Just one thought really. At least it had some actual conclusion this time. But it seems to be a weird trend of easily giving out townreads for seemingly really weak reasons.too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Gonna store this right here, and see how raynpelikoneet follows up on it.Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not. On July 02 2019 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: More random townreads... Feels like a little bit of buddying?Well jock is town. On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is post 217. What did Conversion post in the meantime?Yeah conversion easily town this game. On July 02 2019 18:30 Conversion wrote: yes I will hereby be referenced as raynversion good post On July 02 2019 18:31 Conversion wrote: eversince has 4 pages of nothing from her filter. I guess she wants to lynch me for being mediocre, but wants to give a free pass to Grack cuz “meta”? On July 02 2019 20:55 Conversion wrote: I mean a lot of your points are just "meh let's see what people do in the day, I quite don't like certain things they are saying," except Trfel who you have a soul town read on for some reason, and me who you think is scum even if I'm back and actually saying things in the thread I also find it quite suspicious that you're overly defending Grack's play in that he'll come in later and play the game (and basically writing him off your d1 lynch list), but you're applying the opposite logic on me and calling me scum for it. On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote: in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you. On July 02 2019 22:59 Conversion wrote: Really seems to be the reason that Conversion is so town is for his push onto Eversince. I think it's weird that raynpelikoneet townread Conversion so hard for this when many other people struggled to get much of a read on Conversion at all (clearly all the townies on the Conversion wagon, of which there are at least three, plus Holyflare, who said Conversion was bleh). I may revisit Conversion's read later to really dive into raynpelikoneet's play.sure. I normally find it a very town thing when people consider their options but try to realign their focus onto one person. I think the problem (aside from the fact that I find her filter rather rigid and weird to begin with) lies in the fact that she's commending herself for not tunneling on certain people (like she did last game), throwing out a bunch of lukewarm reads, and then sort of just hard-defending her stance out of nowhere. She doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, trying to refocus her game. reads Pandain and me, that's fine Doesn't like Pandain, she's seeing a good thing in my call out, sort of posturing to be like "Wow Conversion is so mafia it hurts" here The switch happens here Again, another shot at Pandain. Now she's trying to do this "I'm so town" post here which really bothers me. Why does it matter if she's trying to get people to talk about agenda. Why does it matter that people talk about her town read? It's her town read, why should she care about it? She also reiterates that she's trying not to focus on Pandain, but she kind of spent posts thinking about Pandain. I just find it weird when someone is that self-aware as their play when they are town, but the only real conclusion they have is that they want to lynch me because I made a couple of posts and fucked off. On July 02 2019 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Defending Conversion and softpushing Eversince...You, Jock, need to remember omgus isn't actually omgus if you have reasons for why the other person's shit is shit. I haven't seen you use omgus out of context but i have seen it many many times. Just because someone called you mafia doesn't make it invalid to make a case on them based on them calling you mafia (since mafia will anyways call townies mafia based on bs reasoning). Do you think ES is town? Why? On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: What? Where did this come from? Post 295, Grackaroni posts of substance: well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. On July 03 2019 01:33 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think ES' m!Grack post is a good thing to push. I think she just has a lot of meta ideas about me and thinks that I won't be a good day 1 lynch. She says a few times that she would lynch me if I don't start contributing, so I don't think she intended for her post to read the way that you are reading it. On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote: Put these quotes in the wrong order, but oh well. Second quote first. It's a fair point that Grackaroni makes, when I eventually saw it I addressed it, but not awful thinking I suppose, at least it's original. But even raynpelikoneet himself was questioning this point, see here: I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me. On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So then it's got to be mainly the first post, right after which raynpelikoneet posted about Grackaroni being town, so that makes sense. And that post is.... (drumroll) resisting raynpelikoneet's push on Eversince? Fair enough, that was where raynpelikoneet was going at the time. But then does this change when he votes for Eversince and is convinced she is mafia just after?but last game you did that as town in his mind right? On July 03 2019 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Interesting post. Tracking raynpelikoneet's read on Eywa- is probably a really interesting task... for another time (I'm sleepy) (second note, decided I will look into this tonight after all: calls Eywa- mafia in 374, lets Eywa- "off the hook" in 667). But this shows that he's not really thinking of Grackaroni being mafia, so at least there's the followup we were looking for previously. Note that he later transitions to "letting Eywa off the hook," would be worth looking at exactly how that happened.Pfff i gotta sleep. ES so far best vote i dont buy her explanation. Kill eywa rather sooner or later if that's the level she is willing to contribute on. either mafia or gonna lose game for town anyways because noone can clear her. trfel/pandain. i dont care much tbh, if we lynch those four ppl we win every time. so gn for tonight ![]() On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Finally raynpelikoneet explains his townread of Grackaroni. Now we can see how it matches with his earlier posts. What did we say earlier:I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES. On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote: Question: This is Grackaroni's only post of substance. And to be honest Grackaroni doesn't actually say anything at all. So what was this read about again?Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old. I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take. Answer: Apparently raynpelikoneet liked the thought process of this post. Issue here is there wasn't much thought process, it was just "yeah, maybe, but it's old, maybe" I'm too lazy to dig up the quote, but we concluded earlier that the main reason he upgraded this read was the push back on raynpelikoneet's own reason to suspect Eversince. Maybe that was a wrong conclusion, it must have been the other post? So the one on me (Trfel), where raynpelikoneet himself provided counterevidence for it. I don't really get this read. Next thing of note is raynpelikoneet did absolutely nothing at End of Day. Nothing. He didn't defend his townread in Conversion, he only tried to be suspicious of Grackaroni, his other townread. He didn't tell people to switch off. He didn't show why Eversince was still mafia. Even Holyflare reacted more to what was happening than this. It really doesn't feel like he cares about who gets lynched between his townread and his scumread. Quite suspicious. Then he starts scumreading Grackaroni, reasonable. Makes a long post on suspicions of Holyflare, but says he wants to lynch Eversince first and that Holyflare can't be mafia if Eversince is mafia and he's much more suspicious of Eversince. Could just be a coincidence.... could be that the rest of us were all starting to be suspicious of Holyflare at the time and raynpelikoneet didn't want to look off by not suspecting him and then night killing him. Going into End of Night 1, raynpelikoneet posted reasons to scumread Grackaroni, and repeatedly said that Eversince and Grackaroni were his scumreads. So why does he get so mad at the vigilante, Pandain, for shooting Grackaroni instead of Eversince? Even Holyflare was saying that Grackaroni was a better lynch than Eversince and raynpelikoneet had no comment. It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here, Eversince can still be lynched, one of his highly scumread targets who was likely to die anyway got taken out, raynpelikoneet shouldn't be mad if he is town. And that's the end of the filter. Wow, tired. Gonna condense it and see what we ended up with. | ||
Jockmcplop
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Pandain isn't mafia that leaves eywa and rayn who voted together for you on day, either that or one of me and trfel must be mafia Me and trfel are trying not to lynch you. | ||
Jockmcplop
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On July 05 2019 16:20 Jockmcplop wrote: Pandain isn't mafia that leaves eywa and rayn who voted together for you on day, either that or one of me and trfel must be mafia Me and trfel are trying not to lynch you. This is the situation as I see it from your POV | ||
Eversince
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On July 05 2019 16:20 Jockmcplop wrote: Pandain isn't mafia that leaves eywa and rayn who voted together for you on day, either that or one of me and trfel must be mafia Me and trfel are trying not to lynch you. Ok Jock. The more I talk to you the more happy I am I still call you town ![]() Thanks for responding! | ||
Eversince
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I'm sorry Truffles I'll read your big post in a second..(I'm slow reader) | ||
Jockmcplop
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On July 05 2019 16:23 Jockmcplop wrote: This is the situation as I see it from your POV From my POV the following are possible mafia teams Rayn/eywa (my number 1 bet) ES/trfel (Ima die of embarrassment if this is it and I push to lynch rayn) trfel/eywa trfel/rayn (unlikely) Either way by sitting and figuring this out we can come up with strong reasons to lynch someone. | ||
Trfel
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On July 05 2019 16:26 Eversince wrote: No worries, it's not necessarily meant to be read. I'm currently trying to organize my thoughts into something much more readable and meaningful.Rayn's push on me is real fishy. I'm sorry Truffles I'll read your big post in a second..(I'm slow reader) Jockmcplop, why do you think me and raynpelikoneet being mafia together is unlikely? I'm sorry, I'm actually complete garbage at associative reads. | ||
Eversince
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On July 05 2019 16:28 Jockmcplop wrote: From my POV the following are possible mafia teams Rayn/eywa (my number 1 bet) ES/trfel (Ima die of embarrassment if this is it and I push to lynch rayn) trfel/eywa trfel/rayn (unlikely) Either way by sitting and figuring this out we can come up with strong reasons to lynch someone. I'm still working my way threw Truffles Rayn case but I don't think anyone out of the group except Eywa is mafia. Rayn could just be pulling wool over my eyes though! | ||
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