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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
July 05 2019 07:32 GMT
#1301
On July 05 2019 16:31 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2019 16:26 Eversince wrote:
Rayn's push on me is real fishy.

I'm sorry Truffles I'll read your big post in a second..(I'm slow reader)
No worries, it's not necessarily meant to be read. I'm currently trying to organize my thoughts into something much more readable and meaningful.

Jockmcplop, why do you think me and raynpelikoneet being mafia together is unlikely? I'm sorry, I'm actually complete garbage at associative reads.


The big post you just made criticizing his entire game lol

Until then I would have put it on an equal footing with you/eywa
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
July 05 2019 07:33 GMT
#1302
But I'm not ruling it out
RIP Meatloaf <3
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 05 2019 07:40 GMT
#1303
@ Truffles post

I think those are all valid points..I'm have to think now..
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 05 2019 07:41 GMT
#1304
After you consolidate your thoughts post. I'm re filter Rayn. My opinion on him is super bias though..
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
July 05 2019 07:45 GMT
#1305
From trfel's rayn post

Rayn's town reads on conversion and grack (also me??) really look like TMI

How the fuck could you know that grack and conversion were town from their early posting??
RIP Meatloaf <3
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 05 2019 08:04 GMT
#1306
On July 05 2019 16:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
From trfel's rayn post

Rayn's town reads on conversion and grack (also me??) really look like TMI

How the fuck could you know that grack and conversion were town from their early posting??


Agree but I took it he was more waffling but maby its just s!Rayn.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 05 2019 08:06 GMT
#1307
Thread is slow I'm go play some Temple of the Elemental Evil, I'll be about for a little while longer! But I gotta enjoy my nights off somehow!
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:08 GMT
#1308
raynpelikoneet
  • Easy townreads early on that don't make sense (Grackaroni, Conversion)
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Yeah yeah, I know, I'm one to talk, with my Eversince read and all. If that's really an issue for you let me know and I can explain it, I like to think we're all past that now though.

    On Grackaroni:
    On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Grack might be town.
    Raynpelikoneet's initial town lean on Grackaroni. And here is his explanation:
    On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that.
    And here is the post in question:
    On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
    Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.

    I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
    To me this doesn't show thought process at all, raynpelikoneet's explanation really doesn't make sense here. Grackaroni stated two extremely obvious points, and it took minimal effort, and could easily be done by mafia. He didn't even draw any conclusions from this.

    Later, raynpelikoneet posts a further townread of Grackaroni:
    On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    well i think grack officially goes to town pool now.
    Raynpelikoneet's reasons for this:
    On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense.
    Grackaroni's posts in question:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    Show nested quote +
    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
    On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

    can you expand on this?

    He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

    In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.
    However, raynpelikoneet himself even posted reasons to doubt this reasoning:
    On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

    can you expand on this?

    He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

    In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.

    but last game you did that as town in his mind right?
    In addition to the fact that it's easily explained. Grackaroni didn't even draw any conclusios from this, he just called it "very strange." To be honest, I don't see a ton of thought process or follow-up from Grackaroni in these posts, which is how raynpelikoneet characterized them. And I don't think most other players did either. So where did raynpelikoneet's townread come from? It feels like too much information, in this case, truly knowing that Grackaroni is town and letting that affect his read.
    On Conversion:
    Raynpelikoneet's first post implying a townread of Conversion:
    On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?
    Conversion's posts relevant to this:
    On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
    I'm mafia

    AMA
    Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
    Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

    I think Eversince is town, discuss?


    Why do you think I'm town?
    Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


    I don’t like this post. ick
    On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
    I'm mafia

    AMA
    Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
    Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

    I think Eversince is town, discuss?


    Why do you think I'm town?
    Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


    I don’t like this post. ick
    Care to say why?


    too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred

    also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late
    This is at least somewhat understandable, though really Conversion only shared one thought. Later, raynpelikoneet posts this:
    On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Yeah conversion easily town this game.
    You can look here for the specific posts, it's a little long; but for a brief summary, Conversion's posts in question are pushing onto Eversince. Seems to be a townread simply for also scumreading Eversince. You can look at this exchange yourself, it starts on page 11, I just really feel (again) like this is a weak townread that doesn't have justification to back it up.

  • Raynpelikoneet didn't care about the Day 1 lynch, between his townread and his scumread
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Honestly I think this is probably the strongest point I have. From raynpelikoneet's perspective, the lynch in the last eight minutes was his townread (Conversion) against his strong scumread (Eversince). Posts in the thread in the last eight minutes of Day 1, making it clear that shenanigans were incoming:
    On July 04 2019 04:24 Pandain wrote:
    I'm strongly for a Conv lynch (if Grack won't get lynched) just because I have town reads on everyone except Grack and him.

    Jock is way too active. Rayn is way too active. HF could be scum but seems townie.
    Trfel is playing like his town games. Eywa was really townie with his exhcnage with me.

    Who else wants to lynch Conv (or grack)
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
    Pandain switch to conversion with me
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Pandain wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
    Pandain switch to conversion with me


    I switched.

    Who else wants to join?
    On July 04 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:
    If ES and Trfel switch ES is saved
    Grack vote conv
    So raynpelikoneet was present, and if he was at all reading, knew that shenanigans were coming and that Conversion being lynched was at least a possiblity. During these last eight minutes, here are raynpelikoneet's posts:
    On July 04 2019 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
    On July 04 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
    On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:
    On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
    On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
    On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
    And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
    @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

    Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


    She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

    I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.


    That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player.

    that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.


    Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that.

    I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly.
    He's continuing to argue and explain himself. He's only minimally pushing Eversince here, he's not saying anything about Conversion, he's not getting upset, he seems very calm and relaxed. In fact, it doesn't feel like raynpelikoneet is invested or cares about the lynch at all.

    I know I made a similar point against Holyflare in my case on him, but that was a bad case. There the point was bad, because in that game Holyflare made several posts to Eversince, calling her mafia, in the same time window. The argument against Holyflare was that the posts were addressed to Eversince instead of the thread, which is weak. And even still Holyflare made a post to the threaad in response to the shenanigans:
    On July 04 2019 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:28 Pandain wrote:
    HF no idea why you're talking when you're never gonna change your mind in a million years


    Because I know you tools will do some stupid shit and she won't get lynched.
    Yet raynpelikoneet did none of this. He did not care about the lynch.

  • raynpelikoneet is mad at Pandain for shooting Grackaroni, a player who he highly scumread
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Through Night 1, raynpelikoneet believed that Eversince and Grackaroni were the two mafia. I will provide several quotes about this, for emphasis:
    On July 04 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
    Rayn what exactly are your reads actually?

    ES + Grackaroni mafia pretty much.
    On July 05 2019 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Aside from ES you should kill Grack. He made the post on me being mafia, i can understand you not agreeing with me here or even thinking it's a good post. Just read it again. It doesn't make sense i am sorry i can't explain it further. Then there is the post on Conversion i challenged at eod, the reasons he says conv is mafia for happened when he read conv town, middle point of the post is fluff that doesnt make anyone anything and the the rest is "rayn and conversion are mfia because other people i have better feelings on". Me + Conversion were his top town reads!!!!!! Who did what? He never goes into anything like who actually did something and what makes them town. He just throws out a narrative and sticks shit with it, conversion up to lynch and me to throw distrust on.

    Sorry if not clear, but that's what i think.
    On July 05 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Kill ES, kill Grack, profit.
    On July 05 2019 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Lynch ES, lynch Grack. If either of them are town then idk, maybe Pandain?
    I have a hard time seeing anyone else as mafia. Maybe maybe maybe Eywa but that reasoning i have at the back of my head is fucked up and you will have to figure out yourself. Eywa is not mafia though.
    And here is raynpelikoneet's reaction to End of Night 1, seeing Holyflare and Grackaroni flip town:
    On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    fuck you
    On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    vigi what`?
    On July 05 2019 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Why no shot on ES? Why in the hell?
    It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here. He was highly suspecting Grackaroni, he was going to lynch Grackaroni after Eversince anyway. One of his scumreads still died, objectively it wasn't a bad shot. Raynpelikoneet has no reason to be mad about this, as he can still go and lynch Eversince (his other scumread) and then find out who the last mafia (assuming Eversince is mafia) is, the vigilante shot didn't really change much of anything.

    Except raynpelikoneet is mad about it anyway. This doesn't make sense from what his perspective should be.
Conclusion: I think there is a decent chance raynpelikoneet is mafia. I still want to filter everyone else before I decide, but I think these are some solid reasons to be suspicious of raynpelikoneet.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:10 GMT
#1309
On July 05 2019 17:06 Eversince wrote:
Thread is slow I'm go play some Temple of the Elemental Evil, I'll be about for a little while longer! But I gotta enjoy my nights off somehow!
Sorry, building cases is hard work

Gonna take a break and get Eversince's filter after. That'll probably be all I do tonight, I'm worn out and need some sleep. I'll likely get to Jockmcplop and Eywa- tomorrow night.
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 05 2019 08:14 GMT
#1310
On July 05 2019 17:10 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2019 17:06 Eversince wrote:
Thread is slow I'm go play some Temple of the Elemental Evil, I'll be about for a little while longer! But I gotta enjoy my nights off somehow!
Sorry, building cases is hard work

Gonna take a break and get Eversince's filter after. That'll probably be all I do tonight, I'm worn out and need some sleep. I'll likely get to Jockmcplop and Eywa- tomorrow night.


off topic: understand! Reasons I don't do it anymore!
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 05 2019 08:15 GMT
#1311
I'll read through your new Rayn post and see. I still need to go level out ground but I'm not sure I can be bothered in dark!
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 05 2019 08:18 GMT
#1312
On July 05 2019 17:15 Eversince wrote:
I'll read through your new Rayn post and see. I still need to go level out ground but I'm not sure I can be bothered in dark!


Also off topic: No one tired as me should get in a backhoe but meh. You got to use the time you got for things!
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:23 GMT
#1313
Honestly I'm just too tired to do any more tonight Which means I have a ton to do tomorrow night, but bleh. It wouldn't help much for me to keep going now anyway.

I'll likely still be up a little longer, just nothing too serious.

I really did feel like Eversince not knowing that Holyflare died at EoD suggests she is town. I would expect mafia to know that they killed Holyflare. But I really need to look closely at Eversince, especially since it's a million percent my fault if she is mafia and wins
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
July 05 2019 08:25 GMT
#1314
Pandain I know you might be disillusioned but without you helping us to figure this out its going to be harder. You're the only confirmed town we've got, you need to come and help by at least explaining why you're voting for ES who you worked so hard to save day 1.
Is it just because you've said 'fuck it' because you were wrong before?? because I was wrong about all the same shit you were but I still think we can win this if we work together.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:28 GMT
#1315
I think and hope that when Pandain said he would afk for a day, he meant a 24 hour normal day, not the full mafia day. I'm hoping he comes back tomorrow.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
July 05 2019 08:29 GMT
#1316
On July 05 2019 17:28 Trfel wrote:
I think and hope that when Pandain said he would afk for a day, he meant a 24 hour normal day, not the full mafia day. I'm hoping he comes back tomorrow.


Yeah me too!
RIP Meatloaf <3
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:49 GMT
#1317
Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
July 05 2019 08:51 GMT
#1318
On July 05 2019 17:49 Trfel wrote:
Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard


It must be rayn OR ES though, right?
One of these two is mafia.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
July 05 2019 08:52 GMT
#1319
But yeah, I'd like rayn to be back in the thread while we're all around. I feel like if he just shows up when there's one or two people he will bully them into doing what he wants, koshi style.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 09:02 GMT
#1320
On July 05 2019 17:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2019 17:49 Trfel wrote:
Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard


It must be rayn OR ES though, right?
One of these two is mafia.
Assuming both of us are town, yes. Unfortunately, and especially after you tore me to pieces as mafia, that's not an assumption I can safely make just yet
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