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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
On July 02 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote: I can see why you wouldn't agree with me given that the conclusion you would draw from post is that both you and trfel are mafia.... I'll keep in mind what you said about it as other people respond to me though. Fair  ! | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9605 Posts
On July 02 2019 18:40 Conversion wrote: I personally don’t like meta checks so early. Me neither and yet here I am making one lol. I wouldn't normally even bother, and definitely wouldn't post it, but this one is a bit 'on the nose' to be ignored. On July 02 2019 18:40 Conversion wrote: I kinda want to lynch Grack atm So far it looks to me like grack just being grack. | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
it’s 5:49 am here I’m going to get some coffee and read some shit after I drop someone off at the airport | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
On July 02 2019 18:49 Conversion wrote: yeah actually maybe I take my Grack read back iirc I can never read him correctly it’s 5:49 am here I’m going to get some coffee and read some shit after I drop someone off at the airport Thanks for ignoring everything I made points on. Great help there! Enjoy the coffee and I seriously hope your friend gets the flight! (airports suck!) | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote: I don't like Pandain's weird Truffle town read. It would be fine but putting Truffles town and me null at that early was just weird. I get why he says I'd be 'forced' to be active but at least I'm trying. I'm very obvious to just ask if you want me to explain anything. So giving Truffles a town read and nulling me when I am around is just.. off. Conversion entrance seemed bleh. But I see what he was saying now. Using 4 year meta read is kind of bad. But sadly, I don't play as much anymore. Conv pointing it out, giving a decent reason for it, not commenting on the rest of game.. That seems questionable to me. There wasn't much content (still not) but I'll decide on that when I see how he actually plays! On July 02 2019 13:20 Eversince wrote: To clarify Pandain problem: If you give Truffles town read there and someone your not sure about is known to be active, why not just try to get a better read on them? The fact he didn't bother to interact is bigger issue to me I think. I don't want to spend all of day 1 tunneled on Pandain though. What are your thoughts? On July 02 2019 13:26 Eversince wrote: I think Grack is just being usual Grack again. Rayn finding it weird Truffles would read me t!ES is fine for prior reasons. I think they are wrong though. On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote: Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here? I also find it quite suspicious that you're overly defending Grack's play in that he'll come in later and play the game (and basically writing him off your d1 lynch list), but you're applying the opposite logic on me and calling me scum for it. | ||
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Conversion
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
- unlikely for mafia[!trfel] to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page) However Trfel's townread on ES is imo quite surface level, i mean "she played like this last game and that's also different from a mafia game 4 years ago". Why can't mafia!Trfel make that read? You have to talk something as mafia. I understand somehow the idea of Trfel not making that read in case ES is town and he is mafia because i don't see many reasons to make a "bad" read that early on. That i can see Pandain thinking. But the way Pandain goes on with the explanation is pretty weird because he never entertain the possibility of Trfel and ES being mafia together. It's weird because if that was the case it actually makes sense for Trfel to make the read. Trfel kind of hasn't said anything wrong in his read towards ES and if they are mafia together the worst thing that can happen is "i think i am right" vs "i dont think you believe that" match which isn't like hard proof of someone being mafia. Jock already pulled up the game where Trfel started the game quite alike with rsoultin (i am fully aware of the game -- i lead a lynch on Trfel that game, i dont think it makes Trfel mafia by meta but it clearly shows it definitely doesn't make Trfel town). Furthermore another weird thing here is that the way Pandain talks about his read on Trfel kinda feels like he already assumes ES is town (read his posts with this in mind if you don't believe me) but then he doesn't have a town read on ES. For example this comment: I just think it's extremely early to give a townread based on meta/carefree posting. I fail to see how anyone can post this at the time Pandain did unless they think ES is town. Like let's assume Pandain thinks ES is (or could be) mafia here, suddenly this post turns around and Pandain's conclusion should be that Trfel can easily be mafia since "double mafia perspective" it makes perfect sense, that's probably how you would townread your scumbuddy early on if you were to do that. I also agree with what Jock + HF said on him, i don't have any problems with either of them. I like most of the stuff conversion has said so far. On Eversince, here is my point. This is the discussion we had: ES: m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. rayn: Can you give some examples of this that happened lately? ES: I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. rayn: how does that relate to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?? ES answers same than before rayn: why would grack need to do something as mafia at the time? ES: Exactly!! rayn: do you think grack is self-aware of his meta to some point? ES: yes So okay, Grack is self-aware of his meta, Grack doesn't post that much early on (aside from jokes and stuff) as town, Grack doesn't post here in this game when the thread is basically Trfel's townread on ES and nothing more. Only thing Grack does is question Trfel a bit (and pretty much a throwaway post on ES). Point is; there is ONE townread in the thread and nothing more. Why would Grackaroni do anything as mafia here in ES' mind? I don't understand the strength of the read based on what i got from ES' answers to me. I have some stuff i think might make ES town aswell. Like when she was arguing with Pandain it felt like the mindset from her was like "fuck you your story doesn't add up and mine does", which is not what i would expect from (especially) newer mafia. I mean like if ES is mafia and Pandain is town (as i thought at the time it's impossible for them to be mafia together) ES would know Pandain is telling the truth and would choose her words on the matter more closely, or just back off. If they are both mafia why not just back off when Pandain gives a "reasonable answer"? Idk maybe it's possible they are both mafia since they have both backed off from their initial reads. I am also not a huge fan of ES not really saying anything about my alignment since last game she (at least in her mind) had an "easy time" reading me, and i don't think i have been posting so little this game she can't have a read on me. I actually have a slight townread on grack. It's based on like.... umm how to say it... actually i am not going to say it yet since it's not strong, i want to see what he does when he comes back and noone would get anything off that read atm. HF can hold me accountable to explain it by the end of D1, it's pretty much based on how i read yamato (or did when he played). I need to see more from Trfel. I haven't seen his town thing and i disliked the early read. As i said i don't know if the early read makes him mafia but i haven't really seen anything that he couldn't/wouldn't post as mafia so far. Eywa is mia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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I have some stuff i think might make ES town aswell. Like when she was arguing with Pandain it felt like the mindset from her was like "fuck you your story doesn't add up and mine does", which is not what i would expect from (especially) newer mafia. I mean like if ES is mafia and Pandain is town (as i thought at the time it's impossible for them to be mafia together) ES would know Pandain is telling the truth and would choose her words on the matter more closely, or just back off. If they are both mafia why not just back off when Pandain gives a "reasonable answer"? Idk maybe it's possible they are both mafia since they have both backed off from their initial reads. I am also not a huge fan of ES not really saying anything about my alignment since last game she (at least in her mind) had an "easy time" reading me, and i don't think i have been posting so little this game she can't have a read on me. i wrote the green part off my memory and ES filter up until when the "fight" between her and Pandain ended and then re-evaluated based on what happened after. Also that read thing on me i figured out at the end of her filter so i added it there because it bugs me. So yeah, this is really not "townie things" unlike on Kelsier last game.. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote: in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you. can you elaborate more on this? | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
sure. I normally find it a very town thing when people consider their options but try to realign their focus onto one person. I think the problem (aside from the fact that I find her filter rather rigid and weird to begin with) lies in the fact that she's commending herself for not tunneling on certain people (like she did last game), throwing out a bunch of lukewarm reads, and then sort of just hard-defending her stance out of nowhere. On July 02 2019 03:49 Eversince wrote: Ack! I don't want to fight with you this whole game Pand again. I'm go with my instincts! Don't claim scum or I'm be super tunneled again. She doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, trying to refocus her game. On July 02 2019 11:31 Eversince wrote: Yeah ok. Pandain giving Truffles a townread and saying I didn't do anything is just trash! But at least he asnwer me. Conversion is fine for doubting it. He's not dirving an agenda but just doesn't believe, that's ok I think. Truffles is so town it hurts! Why are you guys skeptical on him? I'll be here! who wants to talk? reads Pandain and me, that's fine On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote: I don't like Pandain's weird Truffle town read. It would be fine but putting Truffles town and me null at that early was just weird. I get why he says I'd be 'forced' to be active but at least I'm trying. I'm very obvious to just ask if you want me to explain anything. So giving Truffles a town read and nulling me when I am around is just.. off. Conversion entrance seemed bleh. But I see what he was saying now. Using 4 year meta read is kind of bad. But sadly, I don't play as much anymore. Conv pointing it out, giving a decent reason for it, not commenting on the rest of game.. That seems questionable to me. There wasn't much content (still not) but I'll decide on that when I see how he actually plays! Doesn't like Pandain, she's seeing a good thing in my call out, sort of posturing to be like "Wow Conversion is so mafia it hurts" here On July 02 2019 13:25 Eversince wrote: Actually thinking on that Conversion is really kind of bleh. Maby it's time issue. Coming in, throwing an easy valid point, and fucking right back off is scary to me. The switch happens here On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote: Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here? Again, another shot at Pandain. On July 02 2019 17:33 Eversince wrote: I'm trying to get people talking with agenda stuff. I want people to explain thoughts. Sad that makes me scum  !I like Truffles posting a lot, so care to talk on that? I have a heavy town read on him right now. I'm actively trying not to focus on Pand before repeat of last game happens !Now she's trying to do this "I'm so town" post here which really bothers me. Why does it matter if she's trying to get people to talk about agenda. Why does it matter that people talk about her town read? It's her town read, why should she care about it? She also reiterates that she's trying not to focus on Pandain, but she kind of spent posts thinking about Pandain. I just find it weird when someone is that self-aware as their play when they are town, but the only real conclusion they have is that they want to lynch me because I made a couple of posts and fucked off. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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Grackaroni
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 02 2019 23:35 Grackaroni wrote: Full disclosure: I'm playing another game where I'm putting more effort and that's why I'm being a shitter here. stop playing the other game unless you're mafia here. it's a shit game compred to this. | ||
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