Newbie Student Mafia XXIX

On September 07 2018 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier can you play the super-easy-to-read-as-town-Kelsier game once again if youre town?

On September 07 2018 17:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well coffee isn't exactly your cup of tea.... But at least your flag is not sideways. ^^

On September 07 2018 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have absolutely no idea what do they do in Iceland, you should ask Palmar.

On September 07 2018 20:16 Kaley wrote:
loop 31:05 - 16 from Liquid Rising for them dope beats

On September 08 2018 00:34 Sergiovan wrote:


I HATE this post. Koshi is avoiding commenting on the read I posted while also trying to ally himself with me.

## Vote: koshi

On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf.

On September 08 2018 03:33 Vivax wrote:


For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post.

On September 08 2018 03:43 Vivax wrote:


What makes you think it's a fake push?

On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:


I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective.

On September 08 2018 01:06 Kaley wrote:
RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting
he glad another game is churning
Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet
nobody's got a concept of how to start shit
worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee too
Qats a hater hatin on my my rhymin oh boo hoo
votes a tron saying there ain't nothin to be townread
n a resume n that i be spending effort i should go to bed
but nah, this shits like breathin for me fool
once i get into the groove i be spittin just to keep myself enthused
...y'all be trippin,
if y'all think i should quit this sick spittahn
all y'all gotta do is vote me outa tha game, your read is lame sergiovahn
but don't be alarmed it's only page 2
you got a lot of chances ahead of you
but don't you go 180 on yours tru
ly i hope you keep me where I also happen to be
cuz i'm town my homie as i said don't go degree on me
but if you scum tho you're bout to fall on your face
and then i'll be there to make a sick case
but yo kayls I ain't no smurf
i'm new to this turf and i'm the lesbatron
so don't be callin me a he, sergio, son
And don't you let qat give you that veteran crap nee
duh my reads are rayn and qat to 2/3 be
the .. mafia team
i'm bout intervene
just watch me Charlie Sheen
n place this vote on rayn ftw.

vote: raynpelikoneet

On June 26 2018 23:58 Vivax wrote:


As mafia it's your main concern how others perceive your alignment. As town it's only your concern when you think that someone not doing it is mafia for it cause you believe you have a strong reason to be townread, which I don't think cop should have.

Granted this doesn't take into consideration that given their relationship or w/e it is it might be her own way to read rayn but since there is no visible followup I can safely assume that it led to no read anyway and the above applies instead.

You would think her priority is to deliver a read on rayn here but the followup is to pick a bone with Calix instead.

On September 08 2018 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, i try to make this very simple.
If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing.

And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax.

On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.

Will try and post more.

On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.

That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however.

On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:


I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective.

On September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote:

Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do.
I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like:

imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought.



Anyway. Vivax tip top town

On September 09 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My vote is not on Kaley for policy. My vote is on Kaley because after deciphering his posts the only thing that he has said is a scumread on me and a scumread on Qatol for apparently no other reason than us calling out anti-town behavior (lol). It's literally super ridiculous reasoning to scumread anyone, especially since both me and Qatol have NOT ONLY focused on him in this game, aka there is also other content to analyse. Those scumreads cannot be legit because they are based on a reasoning that doesn't make anyone mafia and anyone with half brain can understand that. And i don't automatically assume people who play this game are stupid. Basically he is present but not playing mafia, and i associate that with alignment mafia.

I am gonna downgrade Kelsier too because i have absolutely no idea where that Serge scumread comes from and why does he have to couple him with Vivax (i mean why not only push Vivax if he strongly thinks Vivax is mafia?) there, after completely zero mentions of the guy all game before now.

On September 10 2018 23:51 Qatol wrote:
Kelsier: why are you voting for Sergio?

You start focusing on Sergio with this post (which happened during the day 1 lynch):

At this point, the only person to call him out is Koshi (as being connected to HolyFlare). Plus, your post comes one post after you yourself called out Koshi:

When rayn asks you about it, you just say he should read the thread and ask you.

This is me asking you.

In your most recent vote, you say you're voting him because of Koshi's read. Do you have any special reason to trust Koshi's reads other than because he flipped town? His read was contingent on HolyFlare flipping mafia because he saw a connection between Sergio and HolyFlare, which didn't happen. Why do you still think his read was correct?

On September 11 2018 07:27 Damdred wrote:
Hi kel, how are you old feiend?

On September 11 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i want to lynch Kelsier.

I'm surprised you group Vivax together with Sergio as "playing the game" but prplhz and Rels as not. I agree Sergio is contributing. The other three seem to have contributed about the same amount to the conversation, unless you count arguing over whether Kaley was a smurf or lightly townreading Kaley without reading.

On September 12 2018 00:12 Qatol wrote:

Okay, my apologies for that comment. You are completely right, I shouldn't have said that. I was just a little surprised because you clearly took quite a bit of time to say almost exactly the same things I did.


This is also something I wasn't aware of; his first game seems to be ~2 years after I stopped following the site closely. As far as I'm concerned, Ver is still the best mafia player on the site.

I am curious what statements from HolyFlare and Koshi you're relying on to vote Sergio.

On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:

Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?

People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.

On September 08 2018 21:26 Koshi wrote:

imho Sergio should stick to singing great belgian songs.

1) Why? pants on head because he voted somebody? Why?
2) Why? scum because he voted somebody? Why?
3) Why? townie who thinks they are making some slick play because he voted somebody? Why?


Weird. Total weird.

On September 12 2018 00:40 Vivax wrote:
I'm here now.

Before I start getting back to posting about people in particular and who I think is mafia and not: I got a roleblock notification.

On September 12 2018 00:49 Qatol wrote:

I don't see the post you're pointing to as being a scumread, more like calling Sergio out for not explaining his actions better. Koshi did push Sergio, but only as a conditional (i.e., if Holyflare then Sergiovan). Wouldn't that mean the mafia has every reason to leave Koshi alive and let him push holyflare for lynch day 2? I am not defending Sergio by any means, but I like arguments that make sense to me and this one doesn't.

You said you are looking for reasons Koshi was killed and the strongest reason you can think of is because either Sergio or I am scum. You pointed out that he went after Sergio and myself. You mentioned HolyFlare is the best mafia player on the site. He was pushing me harder than anyone else. Further, Holyflare's very last post said this:

Why aren't you pushing me? Why Sergio?

On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.

It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.

Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.

But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).

On September 12 2018 01:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oh shit

On September 12 2018 01:13 Qatol wrote:
rayn, I haven't forgotten you. I think you overstate your case a little bit, but you have a couple of good points.

You've played enough games to know that people will sometimes vote for the person that was being accused by the night kill target. I can absolutely see a townie voting for Sergio based on Koshi's posts (even though I think Koshi's argument has fallen apart). I don't think he ever said he was voting Sergio based on HF's reads (though why isn't he looking at HF's reads more closely if he thinks HF is a better player than Koshi? just because of the night kill?)

Easily your strongest point is this:

I absolutely agree on this point and would like Kelsier to explain the logic behind this point. At the end of the day, everyone in this game signed up to play. If they are at all interested in playing more in the future, why wouldn't they try to dodge a modkill? This looks to me like a push to, at best (assuming proportional inactives between the mafia and town), to take a shot in the dark prayer, hoping to hit mafia.

I would like to see Kelsier respond to some of these points before I vote him though.

On a related point, I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks that lynching an inactive at this point is the best policy. We have no way to identify whether they are town or mafia whatsoever, except by process of elimination. Plus we know that at least someone from the mafia is participating in the game (or there wouldn't have been a night kill). The odds are simply not behind a blind shot in the dark.

On September 12 2018 01:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Game started

Ok I think the early Kaley votes were stupid, I'd say people who went after Koshi D1 look ok since scum don't usually like to shoot into someone they're trying to mislynch. I really really want to feel good about Qatol but its been so long since I've seen him play or read any games with him.. Depending on how much time I have to read today before the cycle ends I may end up picking a Koshi read and sheeping that.

On September 12 2018 15:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm gonna blatantly setup speculate right now and say that RoL is honestly probably town which is keeping him from being modkilled otherwise town would have already lost. Since it looks like Qatol is right and we'll be lylo tomorrow, I'd really not like to spend that lynch on an inactive.

I really think we should be focusing on Rels, I didn't really like any of his activity today. I have some other dumb speculative reasons but I'll type out a longer post tomorrow. I had a 13 hour flying day today so I need to go to bed.

On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.

It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.

Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.

But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).

On September 13 2018 08:27 Qatol wrote:
Just to be clear, ##vote Rels

On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:

What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333?

As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree.

On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:

I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red).

On September 13 2018 20:07 prplhz wrote:
#316



Here he says that he is voting for Sergovian but he's down with lynching into some AFK people semi randomly.

#327



Here he says kind of the same, he'll lynch anyone except "you" (Qatol) and raynpelikoneet.

#537



Now suddenly he wants to lynch Qatol. Even though Qatol was one of the only two people he didn't want to lynch before and even though the reasonable (setting himself up to lynch semi-arbitrarily into AFK people) was the exact same thing as KelsierSC was doing.

Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone.

I guess this is sort of what raynpelikoneet already complained about but I'm slow.

Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone.