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On September 15 2018 03:42 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz! Welcome back to the thread.
Please be aware that if you are town we don’t have the option of splitting our votes. We need to vote as four fifths of a single block and I believe that means that we have to vote Rels with Meapak and Qatol
and this does not sound like a scumread at all.
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I have him as a potential member of the scum team it’s either him or you and I’m not sure which
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i am interested in who are the rest 2
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I’m not confident on Prplhz. If he is town he needs to help town and it’s like a 50% chance that he is. Notice I’ve been engaging you in the thread too, that doesn’t mean I have a town read on you.
One of you is town and engaging you is the best play for town so that information enters the thread and is present even if I’m night killed
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On September 15 2018 03:59 Sergiovan wrote:
I’m not confident on Prplhz. If he is town he needs to help town and it’s like a 50% chance that he is. Notice I’ve been engaging you in the thread too, that doesn’t mean I have a town read on you.
One of you is town and engaging you is the best play for town so that information enters the thread and is present even if I’m night killed
ofc, i get that, i am not blaming you for any of that.
Why am i mafia?
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you have been scumreading me pretty much all game, your reasons have been on peole who i scumread, who have pretty much all turned up town, so... why?
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can you people vote for Kelsier?
or if you do not, tell why someone else over him.
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On September 15 2018 02:01 Sergiovan wrote:
Meapak came into the thread late but with an open mindset trying to find scum in a different way than anyone else had up to that point, his post #450 looks really townie to me as it shows what he is thinking about every player and why with the use of a heuristic that makes sense to me. His attempts to discern Alignments from voting patterns are townie as well though, based on my above vote analysis, I don’t think we can find scum that way today.
I’m sticking to my town read there.
Kelsier strikes me as town as well, his play around Kaley d1 felt genuine in that he was annoyed but didn’t find her role playing alignment indicative which is the correct read for a townie in my mind.
Kelsier has been involved in the thread as it moves and is posting quick thoughts and snippets which I think is hard for scum to do. His early game especially shows him being really careless with his posting that just doesn’t seem possible from scum.
Again I think Kelsier is town.
My town right now is Qatol, Meapak and Kelsier with three scum in RoL, Rels, Rayn and Prplhz. In something like that order of likeliness. I will probably end up sheeping Meapak and Qatol onto Rels today since that is the only way I feel that we can insure a town controlled lynch.
Rayn: I haven’t had a read on you the whole game, your play hasn’t been alignment indicative to me. I currently have you on my potential scum list by process of elimination. But your inability to read my friggin posts isn’t helping your case.
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On September 15 2018 04:12 Sergiovan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 02:01 Sergiovan wrote:
Meapak came into the thread late but with an open mindset trying to find scum in a different way than anyone else had up to that point, his post #450 looks really townie to me as it shows what he is thinking about every player and why with the use of a heuristic that makes sense to me. His attempts to discern Alignments from voting patterns are townie as well though, based on my above vote analysis, I don’t think we can find scum that way today.
I’m sticking to my town read there.
Kelsier strikes me as town as well, his play around Kaley d1 felt genuine in that he was annoyed but didn’t find her role playing alignment indicative which is the correct read for a townie in my mind.
Kelsier has been involved in the thread as it moves and is posting quick thoughts and snippets which I think is hard for scum to do. His early game especially shows him being really careless with his posting that just doesn’t seem possible from scum.
Again I think Kelsier is town.
My town right now is Qatol, Meapak and Kelsier with three scum in RoL, Rels, Rayn and Prplhz. In something like that order of likeliness. I will probably end up sheeping Meapak and Qatol onto Rels today since that is the only way I feel that we can insure a town controlled lynch. Rayn: I haven’t had a read on you the whole game, your play hasn’t been alignment indicative to me. I currently have you on my potential scum list by process of elimination. But your inability to read my friggin posts isn’t helping your case.
you called me mafia so you must be lying.
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wait hmm.. no you actually didn't.
why am i not mafia?
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I’m not confident that you aren’t
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fuck hahah^^
oh god you are prolly town :D
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On September 15 2018 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait hmm.. no you actually didn't.
why am i not mafia?
if i was mafia i think i would never be able to answer this post as a townie does lol.
fine
who is mafia? gimme your three. we discuss.
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On September 15 2018 04:19 Sergiovan wrote:
I’m not confident that you aren’t
for further this is the best post i have ever read on this forum 
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As I mentioned in post #606, I think the mafia are basically on cruise control right now. Anyone who has been reading the thread (or at least who has looked at Meapak's post #450) knows that I am on the scumlist of literally almost everyone. Regardless of what you think about my alignment, this makes me an easy target for scum "contributions." I expected to see scum dogpile on me at some point, probably adding more poorly considered fuel to the fire. As you know, basically everyone in the game has been piling on me with various arguments, some more reasoned than others. That makes it extremely likely that the mafia shows up in there somewhere. However, in day 2, only two people really added new content to the fire: Vivax (which was why I scumread him day 2) and Rels.
In particular, Rels's accusation was as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:On the other hand I see NOONE except someone looking actively for blues reading this post: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town. And thinking: "mm yeah this person is 90% blue" And THEN making this post: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 15:42 Qatol wrote:
I agree that Koshi isn't really contributing very seriously and he should be looked at as a more serious lynch candidate in the near future. His posts generally are not helping the town, with the possible exception of his halfhearted stabs at me, which at least potentially foster discussion. However, I don't agree with calling him scummy for not posting his town reads, at least if those townies are not under threat of lynch and he himself is not about to die. Oh yeah. Really 90% sure Koshi was town at that point.
In other words, his "contribution" was that it isn't pro-town to look for blues. However, as anyone who looks for mafia by evaluating how nervous they appear would know, a huge part of that is distinguishing blues from reds (because both will act nervous when pressured). Plus, sometimes people just make posts that make you think they have a role. If anything, in the context of a discussion about why Koshi was killed, me revealing that I had a blue read on him is more likely to make me town than mafia. However, when I pointed that out to him, instead of thinking about the argument like you would expect from a townie trying to contribute, he instead mindlessly doubles down and tries to make it a blue hunting competition:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 07:55 Rels wrote:
you got lucky with your unlikely assumption being right
or maybe you really caught him with his posts asking for advice during the night
but that post is not a blueslip, and no VT would think it is
However, at this point, he has justified his crappy vote.
So at this point, I'm already not loving what he has done, but maybe his other contributions to the thread have something that redeems him?
Day 1, he's trying not to get into arguments with anyone. Instead, his posts are either defenses of Vivax or him talking about various people he thinks are probably townie (sergio, rayn, koshi, and kelsier). As Meapak pointed out in post #349, he isn't taking sides with people who are arguing against each other, which is unusual. Instead, he thinks they're all town.
Night 2, he only discusses modkills and a quick support for rayn.
These look like the type of posts I'm expecting out of mafia. He's doing his very best to avoid any sort of controversy while at the same time not really contributing. Literally the only potentially redeeming things I can find in his filter at all are his defense of Vivax (which doesn't bring him under fire) and him being confused about Koshi flipping blue (but this is a mistake scum could easily make).
I also like Meapak's point from post #349 that Rels lazily jumped on the bandwagon for Kaley, mostly in the spirit of "punishing poor town play." (Only excerpt copied below)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 02:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. During those 30 minutes I read the game. Sergio's angryness makes no sense as scum in my opinion. Kaley has chosen to play in a way that makes her very hard to read. Fair enough. But when pushed for it, she doubled down and did it more strongly. I can see this strategy coming more from scum (kinda like "they wouldn't believe scum would continue roleplaying in my position"). Could also come from stubborn town but for now she's the more likely to flip scum. His reasoning for lynching Kaley is that he/she was hard to read? That's just lazy town play, not scumhunting. Killing someone for roleplaying is a super low percentage policy lynch move which is both apathetic and ineffective as it gives no real information. But it sure is an easy position for a scum to hop on and defend bc they wanted to "punish poor town play." But folks our goal is to catch mafia, not punish bad townplay.
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Sorry, I write slowly. I'm trying not to mess up the TL spoiler and quote functions again too, which almost happened 3 or 4 different times in there. And you are slightly incorrect, his "bluehunting" posts were all made after that post.
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