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raynpelikoneet
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Sergiovan
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Sergiovan
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Don’t vote Qatol. That’s a terrible vote. | ||
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Qatol
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Stop and think for one moment. What is the mafia's goal today? It's pretty simple: it's mylo, so they want a mislynch at all costs. As Sergio pointed out, the most votes any potential mafioso has had the whole game is one. They haven't exactly been pressured very hard. In other words, the town has basically been self destructing the whole game on its own. With all of that in mind, what is the best way to go about getting one more townie lynch? By waiting for a small bandwagon to form on someone they know is town and then to jump on it. Even better if the townie they are voting with happens to be relatively inactive. All they have to do is make sure that they follow the townie in a way that doesn't make the townie suspicious. So, with that in mind, what would be the absolute worst thing the mafia could do? Getting in a big argument with a townie, drawing attention to every little thing they have possibly done that is even remotely suspicious seems pretty awful. That's an easy way to make themselves an easy lynch candidate in a town as swingy as this one! So why would rayn or Meapak do something like that? They aren't even pushing for lynches on each other right now! The answer is pretty simple. Additionally, Meapak has claimed to be roleblocked and nobody has counterclaimed. This doesn't make him 100% town on its own, but it should carry significant weight. On top of that, the mafia shouldn't be feeling a huge amount of urgency. Why would they? Although this is mylo, they haven't even lost any members yet! Plus, as I mentioned above, none of them have ever received more than a single vote. As far as the voting analysis of rayn goes, it's completely bogus. Day 1, rayn was voting for someone who was accusing him and literally doing nothing else constructive, even after being asked to meaningfully contribute. Nothing obviously scummy about that. Day 2, rayn had a strong townread on vivax. When the vote was winding down, vivax was the lynch, and there clearly wasn't going to be a switch to rayn's favored target, Kelsier. Rayn saw the vote as being between someone he was sure was town (vivax) or someone he wasn't sure on (damdred). It makes perfect sense that town!rayn would switch. | ||
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Qatol
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On September 15 2018 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: also tell me why you let the shit argument run around in the thread? Frankly, you're right and I should have made more of an effort to stop it. You will note that I made a halfhearted effort to stop it here: On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote: rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses. On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. I fully realize this isn't a defense of you, which I should have posted, but all I can do on this point is plead lack of clear thought (if you must know, I have to do things that aggravate a serious spinal condition and it means I'm not sleeping very well). I'm running on a full 10 hours of sleep now, however, and am hoping it helps. | ||
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Sergiovan
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 15 2018 02:38 Sergiovan wrote: Kelsier’s posts simply aren’t from a scum mindset, look at how careless he is. Bad townie makes way more sense than any other explanation for his behavior. Read what I wrote about him, go look at his early game again; the way he thinks means he cannot be the most likely scum in this game Don’t vote Qatol. That’s a terrible vote. every read kelsier has given so far HIMSELF has been debunked by himself becaue of "who died". Do you think that is the way to play as town? Do you think that is how he plays as town, because i know he doesnt? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 15 2018 02:56 Qatol wrote: Frankly, you're right and I should have made more of an effort to stop it. You will note that I made a halfhearted effort to stop it here: I fully realize this isn't a defense of you, which I should have posted, but all I can do on this point is plead lack of clear thought (if you must know, I have to do things that aggravate a serious spinal condition and it means I'm not sleeping very well). I'm running on a full 10 hours of sleep now, however, and am hoping it helps. I am not asking you to defend myself, i am actually curious why did you let his argument run around because of the fact it is beneficial for mafia in case he is town. | ||
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Sergiovan
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Qatol
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On September 15 2018 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck why dont you guys want to vote for Kelsier? Like what is the reason, you are just bnanging on someone based on a shit case? pfffffffffffff.......... Maybe rels is mafia, but maybe he isnt. kelsier is however like he literally made two sets of reads (his own -- and the one based on night kills) and he played with the deck he found more comfrotable.... townies do their own choises, right or wrong. My reluctance to vote for Kelsier comes down to 2 posts: On September 12 2018 00:40 KelsierSC wrote: I could lynch anyone apart from you and rayn. (directed at me) Followed, after being pushed a bit more, by: On September 12 2018 01:14 KelsierSC wrote: Because I can see the scenario where Koshi is lynched either for role because he scum reads qatol and it makes hf/sergio look bad in the process. But then HF dies unexpectedly and now Qatol is kind of fucked. If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is. ##Vote: Qatol (Underline added by me) That's a pretty fearless statement to make for a townie, going against your reads like that. I think what happened is he got frustrated by me pushing him on his scumreads (I was trying to get him to realize that maybe he shouldn't give so much weight to the reads of Koshi and HF) and decided he would trust players that he perceives as being better than him. You should know that this phenomenon isn't especially uncommon for townies, especially with a townie who feels like they aren't especially good at the game. I'm hoping that means that other people in the thread can persuade him to change his mind; my conversations with Kelsier since then have clearly proven that I cannot do that. I'm not saying it isn't possible he is mafia. It's entirely possible he's only pretending to be a tunneling townie. However, I've seen the phenomenon too often to be sure. That's why I would prefer not to vote for him today. If you can build up enough support for him today to get a lynch through, I'll support it. However, because sergio and meapak are also against it, and I think a scumteam of meapak/sergio/Kelsier is very unlikely, that means that we need to focus on someone else right now. Remember, the most important thing right now is to get the town coordinated on a single person they all think is likely scum. | ||
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Qatol
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On September 15 2018 02:57 Sergiovan wrote: So Qatol, from that I gather that you read Rayn and Meapak as town, yes? Yes | ||
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Sergiovan
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On September 15 2018 03:06 Sergiovan wrote: Qatol: Meapak’s RB claim is total WIFOM. Scum could easily have not sent a RB and claimed it themselves. I think Meapak appears townie but that isn’t a good reason to think so Notice that my read isn't really based on that. I'm just pointing out that it's an additional thing that would have had to happen for scum!meapak to be true. Let me take this a step further. Think about who the mafia shot last night. Again, rayn spent a decent chunk of the night explaining why vivax was extremely likely town. I think they were worried enough about a potential medic that setting up the claim by meapak wouldn't be worth it. And again, this is just a supporting point to my main argument anyways. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
That's a pretty fearless statement to make for a townie, going against your reads like that ? | ||
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Sergiovan
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