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kitaman27
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Newbie Student Mafia XXIX
Host: kitaman27; Co-host: Mocsta
Questions may be sent to either of us. Night actions should be sent to all hosts!
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Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread may grow large quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):- Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post; but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
- Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
- Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
- Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
- Posting screenshots of your inbox.
- Posting any PM you receive from a host.
- Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
- Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
- Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
- Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account.
- Posting the link to any QT's you have.
- You may not reveal or hint about the identity of your coach. You may not refer to any idea, course of action, etc. as something that was suggested by your coach.
If you feel that any action you are considering may be against the spirit of the game, it is best to contact a host and ensure it is allowed before proceeding.
Posting:
Host Color:
The color blue is reserved for the hosts of the game to make our posts easy to notice. Please do not use it.
Questions:
The color green is reserved for questions by players for the hosts during pre-game.
Once the game begins, please PM the hosts with any questions.
Smurfs:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. "Editing" includes indirect editing like linking an image, then editing the image. Editing your profile or signature are allowed, but if you edit them for any game-related reasons (ie, breadcrumbing, sending messages, etc) this will be considered out-of-thread posting and will be punished.
Inappropriate posts and use of the report post link:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, or Blazinghand before involving the TL moderation staff or using the report post link. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for players whose roles permit out of thread communication (e.g. mafia, masons) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Other players may not attempt to infiltrate such communication channels. Players who have not explicitly been given permission to communicate outside the thread are not allowed to do so.
Voting rules: - Voting is done in a separate voting thread that will be posted at the start of the game. Do not PM your vote to the hosts, it will not be counted.
- Please vote in the following format: ##Vote kavdragon. Votes must be in bold, and votes not written in the correct fashion may not be counted.
- No conditional voting.
- You may vote only for other living players in the thread. You may not vote for yourself.
- This game uses plurality voting, so whoever has the most votes at the end of the day is lynched. There is no minimum number of votes required to lynch someone. If there is a tie for most votes, whoever most recently had more votes than the other is the person who is up for the lynch.
- The person who is up for the lynch is whoever has the most votes. Bringing another player up to that number of votes doesn't put him up for the lynch; s/he has to have the most votes.
- Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
6 spots in this game are reserved for new players*. The other 7 spots in this game are open to anyone, but new players still take priority and can possibly bump other players from these spots. These numbers are flexible, but the goal is to bring new members in and give them a chance to play. If you're a forum regular, please bear in mind there will be newbies in this game and act appropriately to introduce them to TL Mafia.
* new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible
Signup for the game by posting /in in the thread if you are new, or /in: Open if you are not.
You are responsible for being aware when the game begins. I will send a PM to players one (1) day before starting.
If you learn you cannot play when I PM you, please let me know ASAP.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, post in the Ban List.
Modkills will be used at the host's discretion.
Replacements:
This game uses replacements up until the end of night two for emergency reasons only. Players who are inactive or fail to vote will not be replaced automatically.
If you are unable to continue playing for a legitimate reason and require a replacement, inform the host(s) via PM. Do not post about it in the thread and do not contact the standby players on your own accord.
Clues:
The role PMs and day/night posts are purely flavor text. There are no clues.
PMs:
PMs and out of thread communication are not allowed in this game, unless your role explicitly allows them.
Activity:
You are expected to keep up with the thread and participate in discussion daily. If for some reason you anticipate that you will not be available for a period longer than 24 hours, please notify a host ahead of time.
I will be looking for at least 3 posts per cycle, so 1 post every 24 hours. Players will not be removed from the game for activity or failure to vote, but may face post game punishment.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Upon reaching the deadline, the game will be put on hold until the next day or night post is posted. Any votes or night actions timestamped up to and including XX:59 will count; those at or after XX:00 will not.
Once the deadline has been reached, you must not post in the thread until the game is resumed by the next daypost or nightpost. Do not wait until the very last moment to try to post!
The deadline for each cycle will be 22:59 GMT (+00:00).
Credits:
Thanks to cohosts, coaches and players.
Thanks to every active member of the TL mafia community.
Newbie-specific stuff - It's already in the rules, but remember, no editing. If you feel you must correct your post, please make a second post to clarify your statements. You may put EBWOP ("Edit by way of post," a handy acronym invented by semioldguy) at the beginning of your post to indicate that you are clearing up a point you made. If your EBWOP post is several posts after your original, please quote your original post in your EBWOP post for the sake of clarity.
- Only sign up if you know you will have the time available to properly play the game. It is essential that players remain active in a newbie game, so only /in if you are able to play to your fullest.
- If there is any sort of issue, you are unsure about some mechanic, or you are just wondering if your devilish scheme is even allowed, feel free to PM the host(s). Don't feel shy; these games are meant to be a place to learn and be open.
- Behave as gentlemen (or ladies). Things get heated here, but personal attacks will not be acceptable, and will be dealt with accordingly. Remember, this is a game; have fun and happy scumhunting!
- Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread.
- If you receive coaching, don't tell town about it.
- glhf!
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Priority will be given to newbie signups, but if we're not full after a week or two then I'll change the remaining newbie slots to open signups. Please remember to check back with the thread once you sign up so that you are aware that the game has begun.
Player List
1) KelsierSC The Vanilla Town, Endgamed Night Three
2) Koshi The Town Vigilante, Killed Night One
3) Kaley The Vanilla Town, Lynched Day One
4) Holyflare The Vanilla Town, Killed Night One
5) Meapak_Ziphh The Vanilla Town, Endgamed Night Three
6) Rels The Vanilla Town, Lynched Day Three
7) RebirthOfLeGenD The Mafia Goon, Survived Night Three
8) Qatol The Vanilla Town, Endgamed Night Three
9) raynpelikoneet The Mafia Roleblocker, Survived Night Three
10) Sergiovan The Mafia Goon, Survived Night Three
11) Damdred The Vanilla Town, Lynched Day Two
12) Vivax The Vanilla Town, Killed Night Two
13) prplhz The Town Veteran, Killed Night Three
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kitaman27
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Game setup information:
This is a mafia game for 13 players. 3 players will be randomly selected as mafia. If signups drag on for too long, the setup will be modified to a smaller number of players.
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
The mafia's win condition:
The mafia wins if the number of mafia players alive is equal or greater to the number of town players alive and town night actions cannot reverse this.
When a player dies in the game, the player's alignment (that is, which team the player wins with), and role will be revealed. This reveal is guaranteed to be accurate.
This game uses a semi-open setup. The possible roles are listed below, but the exact number will remain hidden. All roles are not guaranteed to be present.
Sample Setup:
1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
Role descriptions:
Vanilla Townie
You have no special abilities, but your voice and your vote are just as important as anyone else's. You win with the town.
Town Cop / Detective
Every night, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town-aligned" or "Mafia-aligned" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town.
Town Doctor
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town.
Town Vigilante
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
Town Veteran
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town.
Mafia Roleblocker
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill. You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
Mafia Goon
Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill. You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
Mafia Godfather
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill. You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
Sample PMs:
Vanilla Town Town Cop Town Vigilante Town Veteran Town Doctor Mafia Goon
The mafia team is:
A quicktopic has been provided for your team: Mafia Roleblocker
The mafia team is:
A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
If there is any confusion about your role PM or the setup, PM me or your coach if you have one.
Notifications:
Roleblocks are always notified, even if the target is vanilla town.
Veteran saves are not notified.
Doctor saves are not notified.
FAQs:
Q: Can good guys communicate outside of the thread? What about just the Cop / Detective?
A: The good guys can't communicate outside of the thread. This includes the Cop.
Q: I'm confused about some role names that are used interchangeably.
A: VT = Vanilla Townie = Town Vanilla. Cop = DT = Detective. Medic = Doc = Doctor = Angel. Scum = Mafia. RB = Roleblocker
Q: Does something extra bad happen to the Doctor if s/he visits a mafia player?
A: The Doctor has no penalty for saving a mafia player
Q: I want to talk about coaching, or have a question about coaching. Where should I ask this?
A: PM me. Do not post in the thread about coaching.
Q: Should I talk about this game anywhere other than this thread?
A: No. You can talk in your special Scum Quicktopic if you are Mafia. You can also talk with your coach. Otherwise, do not mention this game. Don't mention it in passing. Don't mention that you're alive. Don't mention that you think your case is good. People in this game read all parts of the forums here on TL, so if you go over the Sc2 Strategy and say "I'm a bad mafia dude in this game" you will get found out.
Q: Should I talk about this game anywhere other than this thread if I'm dead?
A: When you die I will provide you with a quicktopic for dead players to hang out in and discuss the game.
Q: Can town decide to "sleep" or vote for a no-lynch?
A: No, you must vote for a player who is alive.
Q: The deadline passed and the Host hasn't finished writing the Day post or Night post. During these minutes between the lynch ending, or between the night ending, and the start of the next phase, can I talk?
A: Do not talk if the day or night post is late. After the lynch or the night kills have been 100% determined, in theory the next day should start instantly. In practice, it takes me some time to compose the new post, and during this time you should quietly wait for the flip. Typically there's a delay of between 1 and 10 minutes.
Q: Can we claim our roles or night actions and their results?
A: You may claim anything you want to, including fake claims. It is up to the other players whether they will believe your claim.
Q: Can I post a screenshot of my role PM? Can we compare formatting or timestamps of messages from the hosts?
A: You may not directly quote or screenshot anything from outside the thread. This also implies that things like comparing PM timestamps or formatting are disallowed. You may not ask things like "was your role PM colored green?".
Q: What happens if mafia does not submit a shot?
A: It would be randomly chosen among the remaining non-mafia players.
Q: Are the teams balanced based on newbie/vet status?
A: Nope, they are assigned at random.
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kitaman27
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On August 20 2018 07:37 Mocsta wrote:
i can help /co-host
Thx 
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/in
I will be there. I might not check in daily but I probably will but still I am sure I will be there. /confirm
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On August 23 2018 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
/in
Oh hey there big guy.
/in
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On August 25 2018 22:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Oh hey there big guy. /in
Holy shit haven't seen you in like 4 years!
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On August 26 2018 05:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 22:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On August 23 2018 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
/in Oh hey there big guy. /in Holy shit haven't seen you in like 4 years!
haha I dare say it's probably been closer to 8.years?
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Actually /out.. Not much free time in the coming weeks!
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
lol RoL, I like that your signature still tells people to ask for access to the mafia forum.
I'll probably leave signups open for another week or so and try to start with however many we have at that point.
How come people aren't swarming to play with legends like these? Somebody needs to convince LSB to join.
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On August 28 2018 06:37 Qatol wrote:
/in
o shit
Better rename this game vet mafia lol
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On August 28 2018 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:o shit Better rename this game vet mafia lol
I haven't played in so long I might as well be a newbie. I think the thread title fits just fine.
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kitaman27
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lol hiya Qatol.
If we can get 13 players by the weekend, I'll promise to update the database. Don't pass up this once in a lifetime offer!
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On August 28 2018 08:26 kitaman27 wrote:
lol hiya Qatol.
If we can get 13 players by the weekend, I'll promise to update the database. Don't pass up this once in a lifetime offer!
Hiya! Congrats on the star!
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would play but i'm extremely busy. Would love to see it fill up though!
Bring TL mafia back! Bump!
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On August 28 2018 07:42 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On August 28 2018 06:37 Qatol wrote:
/in o shit Better rename this game vet mafia lol I haven't played in so long I might as well be a newbie. I think the thread title fits just fine.
and as we will recall, I've always been retarded. I mean not like coagulation level, but definitely retarded.
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I should be able to /in in about a week
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On August 31 2018 01:05 Vivax wrote:
I should be able to /in in about a week
same if this hasn't started by then. I'm moving this weekend and shopping for furniture/all that jazz
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/in
I haven’t played mafia in ~5 years but I’m interested to give it another go
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kitaman27
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Two more to go. Probably best to start on Tuesday if we're full by then to avoid the holiday.
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This makes me sad.
I'll only be able to play mostly at night
/In
Might as well give it a shot and make TL mafia great again
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Gotta /out for a couple weeks. Sorry.
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kitaman27
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Yay we're full. Game will begin tomorrow evening, unless someone is strongly opposed.
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kitaman27
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Role PMs are going out. Please no posting until the game begins.
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kitaman27
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Day 1![[image loading]](http://78.media.tumblr.com/ef587820efd9ff06f71765470d0f1f0f/tumblr_mgr4wj893k1qedb29o1_500.gif)
Day 1 has begun!
You have 48 hours to vote for your preferred lynch. The deadline is Saturday, Sep 08 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Voting is mandatory and must be done in the voting thread.
Good Luck and Have Fun!
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Glad we managed to get another game going, whats up boys
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I might actually believe that, maybe.
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Good Morning,
Drinking my first coffee of the morning , happy to be playing mafia again.
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Are you me? Because i just poured myself a cup of coffee.
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btw kitaman is evil. 
don't disturb dead people.
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Kelsier can you play the super-easy-to-read-as-town-Kelsier game once again if youre town?
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On September 07 2018 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier can you play the super-easy-to-read-as-town-Kelsier game once again if youre town?
I will certainly try. But hopefully with less swearing and insults.
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For some reason in this country people still like instant coffee despite it tasting like ass.
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Well coffee isn't exactly your cup of tea.... But at least your flag is not sideways. ^^
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On September 07 2018 17:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well coffee isn't exactly your cup of tea.... But at least your flag is not sideways. ^^
I see what you did there.
Do they do pan made coffee in iceland or is that just an old swedish meme
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I have absolutely no idea what do they do in Iceland, you should ask Palmar.
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On September 07 2018 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have absolutely no idea what do they do in Iceland, you should ask Palmar.
you're all the same
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In lapland mostly, but yes.
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All those countries are collectively known as Viking Land, regardless of historical accuracy.
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The next guy to post is mafia
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I also bet it's going to be holyflare
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touchè
I meant of the ones who didn't post yet.
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RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting
he's glad another game is churning
Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet
nobody's got a concept of how to start shit
worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee
is vivax for real i don't know oh jee
he might be mafia as half of ya believe he's really
just trying to be constructively foretelling alignemn like theees
On September 07 2018 18:33 Vivax wrote:
The next guy to post is mafia
2018. Lesbatron with that conf townie vibe, best belieeev
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loop 31:05 - 16 from Liquid Rising for them dope beats
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Wow Kaley you are quite the Wordsmith
On September 07 2018 20:16 Kaley wrote:
loop 31:05 - 16 from Liquid Rising for them dope beats
That shit kroon
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I will lynch all kinds of rp/ms paint crap.
Just for the record.
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I will vote Vivax for claiming mafia.
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I will make 1 more post to show I want to be active and good
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And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
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You mean carefree mindset like that Jealous guy in one game who posted in a same way, told me to fuck off with a picture, and flipped mafia?
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How about we get a real discussion started, shall we? Most of the posts so far look like basic early game filler to me, but one in particular stands out:
On September 07 2018 20:13 Kaley wrote:RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting he's glad another game is churning Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet nobody's got a concept of how to start shit worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee is vivax for real i don't know oh jee he might be mafia as half of ya believe he's really just trying to be constructively foretelling alignemn like theees 2018. Lesbatron with that conf townie vibe, best belieeev
This is too much effort spent on what is essentially a summary of early game spam posts. I'm generally suspicious of summary posts anyways, as they generally fall into the category of "appearing to contribute but not really contributing." Considering the game state, something smells fishy to me.
##vote Kaley
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Apparently I do, can you please link that game so that I can look into it?
Do you have a history with Kaley where you feel his mindset would be carefree as mafia?
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On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town.
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Not sure how I feel about the image post and the poetry , I assume with 16 posts that it's a smurf or something so this attitude was probably pre-planned regardless of the alignment.
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On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town.
I HATE this post. Koshi is avoiding commenting on the read I posted while also trying to ally himself with me.
## Vote: koshi
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On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
Unfortunately, I predate everyone here except RebirthOfLegend, so my meta reads are nonexistent. I've helped host a game that Meapak played in, but, unless I'm forgetting something, I haven't played with him.
I'm not so sure about your Koshi read without more. You lost me when you say "he is aware of how he appears." Do you mean he showed he is nervous with his "I am town" post? That looked like relatively typical early game fluff to me.
Interesting that you read Kaley as carefree. What about it is so different about the picture to you than, for example, Kelsier posting about coffee?
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On September 08 2018 00:34 Sergiovan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town. I HATE this post. Koshi is avoiding commenting on the read I posted while also trying to ally himself with me. ## Vote: koshi
Koshi is a veteran player so you can assume his early comments are him being facetious rather than obviously bad mafia
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Qatol: Heard.
The first post of Koshi’s which I feel looks scummy is the one where he says he will post once more to appear active and good. That post added nothing to town while also suggesting to me that he is concerned with his appearance rather than finding scum. In my experience those traits suggest scum.
As to Kaley versus Kelsier I don’t have a great reason more of a gut feeling. Kaley’s dumb picture feels town aligned to me, I didn’t get that feeling from the dumb coffee talk.
I’m getting the flood control warning from TL so I’m going to write a really big post rather than reply to things individually.
Kelsier: if you believe that Koshi’s post are not indicative of scum behavior who do you think is scum? Do you agree with my Kaley read, why or why not?
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RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting
he glad another game is churning
Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet
nobody's got a concept of how to start shit
worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee too
Qats a hater hatin on my my rhymin oh boo hoo
votes a tron saying there ain't nothin to be townread
n a resume n that i be spending effort i should go to bed
but nah, this shits like breathin for me fool
once i get into the groove i be spittin just to keep myself enthused
...y'all be trippin,
if y'all think i should quit this sick spittahn
all y'all gotta do is vote me outa tha game, your read is lame sergiovahn
but don't be alarmed it's only page 2
you got a lot of chances ahead of you
but don't you go 180 on yours tru
ly i hope you keep me where I also happen to be
cuz i'm town my homie as i said don't go degree on me
but if you scum tho you're bout to fall on your face
and then i'll be there to make a sick case
but yo kayls I ain't no smurf
i'm new to this turf and i'm the lesbatron
so don't be callin me a he, sergio, son
And don't you let qat give you that veteran crap nee
duh my reads are rayn and qat to 2/3 be
the .. mafia team
i'm bout intervene
just watch me Charlie Sheen
n place this vote on rayn ftw.
vote: raynpelikoneet
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On September 08 2018 00:25 Sergiovan wrote:
Apparently I do, can you please link that game so that I can look into it?
Do you have a history with Kaley where you feel his mindset would be carefree as mafia?
This ia the game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia
I dont have a history with Kaley, assuming they are not a smurf. I am saying it isn't "cafefree attitude" and even if it was it doesnt make him town. In fact hiding behind a "mask" is more likely mafia behavior. I hope i dont have to explain why basically making your alignment unreadable doesnt favor town.
People who make "funny posts" too often get a pass just because they make funny posts. But like Qatol pointed out, what did Kaley actually say?
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You guys are lucky to have me. I am so funny.
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I hope Kaley is a girl. Or gay.
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Oh I read some words in her post. Maybe both.
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Rayn: I don’t see the similarities honestly. Jealous was hiding in his MS paint pictures. Kaley is communicating - kinda. Foolishness posted all in limericks as town; this feels like it could easily be the more modern and way less erudite version. Kaley has posted some reads and is keeping up with and is involved in the thread. I’m not going to hold on to her as town based on this early read without anything else out of her but I don’t see any way a Kaley lynch as beneficial day 1.
Kaley: if you disagree with my read on Koshi does that mean you have him as town or just not a scum read currently? Why Rayn, what makes him scum in your eyes?
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Kaley is just not a good name for a manly man.
No offense.
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I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them.
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Well she just went for "i do anti-town things and when i am called out those people are the ones i call scum" -strategy. lol
Ftr she still hasnt said anything, except for the above.
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On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
...that he's going after rayn of all people.
Why is this any kind of factor in you judging her?
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Anyways i like Serge and Qatol the most so far. Kelsier can also be town for the time being but my reasoning is kinda dumb so yeah.. there is that.
Thats all i have so far.
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Vivax: I’m aware that I’m over analyzing this meager thread but what else am I gonna do, wait for someone else to do it? We have 6/13 players who haven’t even posted yet I would be shocked if there isn’t at least a scummer or two hiding in the in-actives so I’m going to do my best to figure out the actives.
Why do you think Kaley is town?
Rayn: she has said things, her most recent post has reads in it. Why tunnel Kaley, do you truly believe that she is the scummiest person in this thread?
Koshi: why are you spamming garbage? I’m told that you aren’t terrible so what do you believe you are adding to this town?
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Rayn: what is your dumb reasoning for Kelsier? I don’t see it in your filter.
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I am not tunneling her. I am asking her to stop that whatever she is doing and asking her to play mafia instead.
Kelsier basically promised to play, which historically easily gives away his alignment sooner or later (most likely sooner). Postwise i dont really have a reason to think he is anything but i am like 70% sure he wouldnt make that promise as mafia. He doent tend to be a high volume poster, except for his last couple of town games where he also looked really townie. I mean like, i would expect, if he is mafia, he wouldnt appear to "tryhard" since him NOT doing so doesnt automatically make him mafia.
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rayn: those last 4 lines are bad. Don't let your initial Kelsier feels compromise you in the future.
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##unvote
##vote Qatol
Pretty sure Vivax is already unlynchable D1. Smart guy.
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On September 08 2018 02:14 Koshi wrote:
rayn: those last 4 lines are bad. Don't let your initial Kelsier feels compromise you in the future.
That's exactly why i said dumb reasoning.
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On September 08 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 02:14 Koshi wrote:
rayn: those last 4 lines are bad. Don't let your initial Kelsier feels compromise you in the future. That's exactly why i said dumb reasoning.
I don't read all the things.
I have 3 townreads.
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Koshi can you elaborate on Vivax?
The only thing i remember from Vivax that actually was something else than boring is the one i asked him about. Because i cant really see how he assumes that as town.
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Like Vivax said he has a townread based on gut and an unreasoble reason, and everything else can be anything. I dnu how that warrants a townread.
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On September 08 2018 00:35 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
Unfortunately, I predate everyone here except RebirthOfLegend, so my meta reads are nonexistent. I've helped host a game that Meapak played in, but, unless I'm forgetting something, I haven't played with him.
I'm not so sure about your Koshi read without more. You lost me when you say "he is aware of how he appears." Do you mean he showed he is nervous with his "I am town" post? That looked like relatively typical early game fluff to me. Interesting that you read Kaley as carefree. What about it is so different about the picture to you than, for example, Kelsier posting about coffee?
Bolded is boring
Italic and underlined are questions that aren't inquisitive towards Sergio imo. Looks more like conversation to appear active.
Anyway. I have given away much information. Now he will adapt. Is this good? I don't know.
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Long story short.
Qatol is bleh. Vivax noticed. I like Vivax.
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I see there is a difference between underlined and italic btw. I feel it is icky.
ICKY FEELS
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More like short story shorter.
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On September 08 2018 02:26 Koshi wrote:
Long story short.
Qatol is bleh. Vivax noticed. I like Vivax.
Ah okay. That makes more sense. I didnt know where Vivax was referring to since i only caught Qatol's point on Kaley which i agreed on.
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Well Koshi is town for sure.
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Time to afk with all this towncred from town leader rayn.
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On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them.
I don't know if overanalyzing is the right word. The first 24 hours of a game are often the most obnoxious because there isn't much to talk about; I think Sergio accusing someone gives us meaningful discussion to look at, as opposed to "the next person to post is mafia." Sergio hasn't said anything so far that makes me think tunnel vision is occurring.
Why exactly do you think Kaley going after rayn without providing any reasoning is a town action? Kaley claims to be new, so what makes rayn different from anyone else?
Also, why are you worried about bandwagon votes, rather than just straight up looking for them?
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On September 08 2018 01:06 Kaley wrote:
RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting
he glad another game is churning
Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet
nobody's got a concept of how to start shit
worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee too
Qats a hater hatin on my my rhymin oh boo hoo
votes a tron saying there ain't nothin to be townread
n a resume n that i be spending effort i should go to bed
but nah, this shits like breathin for me fool
once i get into the groove i be spittin just to keep myself enthused
...y'all be trippin,
if y'all think i should quit this sick spittahn
all y'all gotta do is vote me outa tha game, your read is lame sergiovahn
but don't be alarmed it's only page 2
you got a lot of chances ahead of you
but don't you go 180 on yours tru
ly i hope you keep me where I also happen to be
cuz i'm town my homie as i said don't go degree on me
but if you scum tho you're bout to fall on your face
and then i'll be there to make a sick case
but yo kayls I ain't no smurf
i'm new to this turf and i'm the lesbatron
so don't be callin me a he, sergio, son
And don't you let qat give you that veteran crap nee
duh my reads are rayn and qat to 2/3 be
the .. mafia team
i'm bout intervene
just watch me Charlie Sheen
n place this vote on rayn ftw.
vote: raynpelikoneet
Translated into English:
rehash of early game filler, Qatol is a hater for picking on my rhyming, sergio has bad reads, I'm town and I think Qatol and rayn are mafia.
Again, I fail to see how this is really contributing. There is no reasoning. Why is sergio's read lame? What did rayn say that made you vote him? This is posting to make it look like you're contributing when you really aren't doing anything.
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The reason I think that it is unlikely for mafia kaley to push a town rayn is that he's typically one of the guys you can expect a lot of resistance from.
Conversely I see it more likely that a mafia goes after kaley here when a town rayn already hinted that he would lynch for rping.
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On September 08 2018 02:58 Vivax wrote:
The reason I think that it is unlikely for mafia kaley to push a town rayn is that he's typically one of the guys you can expect a lot of resistance from.
See here is the catch. How can Kaley know that?
Do you know something i dont?
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On September 08 2018 02:58 Vivax wrote:
The reason I think that it is unlikely for mafia kaley to push a town rayn is that he's typically one of the guys you can expect a lot of resistance from.
Conversely I see it more likely that a mafia goes after kaley here when a town rayn already hinted that he would lynch for rping.
Why would a new player know that rayn is going to provide a lot of resistance? Unless you think the mafia are coordinating the people they are going to accuse in thread? I fail to see how this point weighs in either direction unless the mafia are doing a lot of communicating behind the scenes or Kaley is a smurf.
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I don't have a strong set of reads at the moment. But I can respond to sergiovan's question. I don't have a read either way on Kaley. In the past I would find it irritating with players doing roleplays or posting rhymes but this isn't a very helpful attitude.
It's a predetermined way of playing so you can't read from it, just going to let her have fun.
I don't agree at all with vivax's comment that she is town because she voted rayn and that would be unlikely to go through.
1) Apparently she is new so has no idea about rayn's history
2) It's still the first day of the game in D1 and its a vote at the end of an enigmatic rhyme, you could vote to lynch Pat Buchanon and it wouldn't mean anything.
Vivax is probably my top scum read right now due to this reason, his only "big post" had 3 comments that didn't give strong reads either way and then 50% gut instinct.
I have a question for rayn as to why koshi is town and vice versa
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I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf.
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On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf.
Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn?
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On September 08 2018 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn?
For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post.
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On September 08 2018 03:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn? For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post.
...
So you town read her for making a "push" on someone who is hard to lynch but you don't even know if it's a real push.
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On September 08 2018 03:36 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:33 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn? For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post. ... So you town read her for making a "push" on someone who is hard to lynch but you don't even know if it's a real push.
What makes you think it's a fake push?
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On September 08 2018 03:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:36 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:33 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn? For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post. ... So you town read her for making a "push" on someone who is hard to lynch but you don't even know if it's a real push. What makes you think it's a fake push?
I asked you first
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On September 08 2018 03:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:36 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:33 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn? For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post. ... So you town read her for making a "push" on someone who is hard to lynch but you don't even know if it's a real push. What makes you think it's a fake push?
Cmon it is 100% fake push if you think she is a smurf or she is just mafia. There is no alternative.
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On September 08 2018 03:45 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:43 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 03:36 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:33 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn? For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post. ... So you town read her for making a "push" on someone who is hard to lynch but you don't even know if it's a real push. What makes you think it's a fake push? I asked you first
I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective.
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On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:45 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:43 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 03:36 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:33 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn? For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post. ... So you town read her for making a "push" on someone who is hard to lynch but you don't even know if it's a real push. What makes you think it's a fake push? I asked you first I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective.
I'm just going to quote Kaley's post just so people don't have to flick back and forth.
On September 08 2018 01:06 Kaley wrote:
RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting
he glad another game is churning
Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet
nobody's got a concept of how to start shit
worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee too
Qats a hater hatin on my my rhymin oh boo hoo
votes a tron saying there ain't nothin to be townread
n a resume n that i be spending effort i should go to bed
but nah, this shits like breathin for me fool
once i get into the groove i be spittin just to keep myself enthused
...y'all be trippin,
if y'all think i should quit this sick spittahn
all y'all gotta do is vote me outa tha game, your read is lame sergiovahn
but don't be alarmed it's only page 2
you got a lot of chances ahead of you
but don't you go 180 on yours tru
ly i hope you keep me where I also happen to be
cuz i'm town my homie as i said don't go degree on me
but if you scum tho you're bout to fall on your face
and then i'll be there to make a sick case
but yo kayls I ain't no smurf
i'm new to this turf and i'm the lesbatron
so don't be callin me a he, sergio, son
And don't you let qat give you that veteran crap nee
duh my reads are rayn and qat to 2/3 be
the .. mafia team
i'm bout intervene
just watch me Charlie Sheen
n place this vote on rayn ftw.
vote: raynpelikoneet
Your conclusion is that. Kayles a smurf and knows that rayn is difficult to lynch. But she genuinely thinks he is mafia for posting that he hates roleplay shit. Therefore she has pushed him with the above , despite there being nothing about this in the post and no real reason for rayn being mafia, "notice in the post she calls qat out for "hating on her rhyme").
Because of this serious attempt to lynch rayn she is town?
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I guess what i'm dancing around is that I don't believe your read is genuine and you just threw out a bs town read to look town.
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On September 08 2018 04:00 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess what i'm dancing around is that I don't believe your read is genuine and you just threw out a bs town read to look town.
Seems like something you might think genuinely. But I wasn't lying and it wasn't made up. It was just one of the impressions I wanted to put out there.
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On September 08 2018 04:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 04:00 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess what i'm dancing around is that I don't believe your read is genuine and you just threw out a bs town read to look town. Seems like something you might think genuinely. But I wasn't lying and it wasn't made up. It was just one of the impressions I wanted to put out there.
Then can you elaborate on how this:
Your conclusion is that. Kayles a smurf and knows that rayn is difficult to lynch. But she genuinely thinks he is mafia for posting that he hates roleplay shit.
...makes any sense because any single person who has played with me here or where ever knows that this is not a reason why i am mafia or town (aka worth even pushing -- because you would also know if i am mafiam a "reaction push" literally does nothing).
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idk, seems like a very very shitty townread you have there Vivax.
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On September 08 2018 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 04:03 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 04:00 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess what i'm dancing around is that I don't believe your read is genuine and you just threw out a bs town read to look town. Seems like something you might think genuinely. But I wasn't lying and it wasn't made up. It was just one of the impressions I wanted to put out there. Then can you elaborate on how this: Show nested quote +Your conclusion is that. Kayles a smurf and knows that rayn is difficult to lynch. But she genuinely thinks he is mafia for posting that he hates roleplay shit. ...makes any sense because any single person who has played with me here or where ever knows that this is not a reason why i am mafia or town (aka worth even pushing -- because you would also know if i am mafiam a "reaction push" literally does nothing).
What does it have to do with your alignment?
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Vivax the game I moderated, you posted this right at the start of D1
On June 26 2018 23:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:43 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 22:40 Vivax wrote:On June 26 2018 11:16 CopCake wrote:
Rayn I am surprised I am not town to you 😞 scummy post On June 26 2018 22:41 Vivax wrote:
ie thinking about perception of own alignment
##vote Copcake Of all the posts cake has made I think this is even one of her more towny ones. How does mafia say they think they should be town read by someone? Odd filter vivax. Don't like. As mafia it's your main concern how others perceive your alignment. As town it's only your concern when you think that someone not doing it is mafia for it cause you believe you have a strong reason to be townread, which I don't think cop should have. Granted this doesn't take into consideration that given their relationship or w/e it is it might be her own way to read rayn but since there is no visible followup I can safely assume that it led to no read anyway and the above applies instead. You would think her priority is to deliver a read on rayn here but the followup is to pick a bone with Calix instead.
Ignore the last two paragraphs as they refer to a different player. It seems to me that by voting Qat who is voting her, and voting rayn she is in fact concerned with how others perceive her alignment especially when they wouldn't have a good reason to townread her.
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well not voting qot but calling him mafia
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On September 08 2018 04:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 08 2018 04:03 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 04:00 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess what i'm dancing around is that I don't believe your read is genuine and you just threw out a bs town read to look town. Seems like something you might think genuinely. But I wasn't lying and it wasn't made up. It was just one of the impressions I wanted to put out there. Then can you elaborate on how this: Your conclusion is that. Kayles a smurf and knows that rayn is difficult to lynch. But she genuinely thinks he is mafia for posting that he hates roleplay shit. ...makes any sense because any single person who has played with me here or where ever knows that this is not a reason why i am mafia or town (aka worth even pushing -- because you would also know if i am mafiam a "reaction push" literally does nothing). What does it have to do with your alignment?
It does in a sense that you say it is a genuine push, aka she (1) genuinely thinks i am mafia or it is a (2) reaction push. And:
(1) is always false for anyone who is a smurf
(2) is just same as doing nothing for a smurf taking account on how i respond to reaction pushes as mafia.
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Like if anyone who has ever played with me "genuinely" calls me mafia for what Kaley did, they are always mafia 100%.
That is a fact.
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Sorry i misread your question, idk, it doesn't have anything to do with my alignment, that's the point. I can be town or mafia based on Kaley's "case", it is understandable she can think what she does in case she is actually a new player, but you seem to be claiming she is not (that's your basis of the argument on townreading her) but you arrive to a conclusion you never ever should....
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fuck, i try to make this very simple.
If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing.
And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax.
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Yeh I can't understand it.
There isn't even a reason given for why she voted rayn so how can you take this push to be genuine.
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On September 08 2018 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, i try to make this very simple.
If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing.
And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax.
alternatively kaley could be a smurf town just dicking around voting you.
gut vivax has stated he believes the push is genuine so that doesn't make his reasoning sound either.
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i'm done for the evening, i'll be around tomorrow
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Lesbatron is stomping rude
rayn who thinks he's dope like Doob
He ain't shit he just a noob
scum who'll eat his final food to
day before he's eating rope
inb4 you'll see him mope
cares about the gamestate nope
falling down a slippery slope of
make-believing that self made meta
strawmanning some garbage later
baseless arguments to bait the
lesbatron yeah that's not better
Give this man what he deserves
see him flip red till he learns
roleplay shit is super legit
and if you diss it you better not be scum, raynpelikoneet
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half of your things don't even rhyme properly
##vote kaley
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On September 08 2018 05:52 Kaley wrote:
Lesbatron is stomping rude
rayn who thinks he's dope like Doob
He ain't shit he just a noob
scum who'll eat his final food to
day before he's eating rope
inb4 you'll see him mope
cares about the gamestate nope
falling down a slippery slope of
make-believing that self made meta
strawmanning some garbage later
baseless arguments to bait the
lesbatron yeah that's not better
Give this man what he deserves
see him flip red till he learns
roleplay shit is super legit
and if you diss it you better not be scum, raynpelikoneet
y u so mad?
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also so fucking lezzy, which is not a good thing to come out with like you are....
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definitely a woman.
hopefully (but not likely) not a batman.
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On September 08 2018 05:52 Kaley wrote:
Lesbatron is stomping rude
rayn who thinks he's dope like Doob
He ain't shit he just a noob
scum who'll eat his final food to
day before he's eating rope
inb4 you'll see him mope
cares about the gamestate nope
I assume there is something there, like idk.. explain it to me because your rhymes are fucking shit and also not plaing mafia.
make-believing that self made meta
yes?
strawmanning some garbage later
where?
baseless arguments to bait the
lesbatron yeah that's not better
I love giving the green red shitheads a hard time if you wanna go into politics but here the lezzy can tell me what is my baseless argument?
Give this man what he deserves
see him flip red till he learns
roleplay shit is super legit
and if you diss it you better not be scum, raynpelikoneet
yes <3
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I wanted to avoid this but what a fucking retard... rly..
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Koshi is sooooo scummy, am I totally pants-on-head retarded? I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can not be voting him right now, he says in post #99 that he has three town reads but he doesn’t ever reveal them, he isn’t contributing while spamming and pretending to have reads. Koshi = Scum.
Vivax in post #119 says he didn’t read Kayly’s post from which he read her as town. Highly suspicious if Kaley = town that Vivax = scum. Vivax has made a town read based on something he didn’t even read. If that ‘read’ is correct it seems like it comes from alignment knowledge.
I see that Kelsier has seen the same things in that post as I have. That makes Kelsier relatively townie irrespective of the alignments of Vivax and Kaley.
Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
Rayn: calm down, no matter how you feel about Kaley’s RP your behavior is negatively effecting the town atmosphere. If you are town think about it and get better. If you are scum listen to me and do that right thing anyway so I don’t have to read your shit stirring before I lynch you.
If you are still present I would like to discuss Kaley and Koshi. Kaley is posting relatively coherently and has some reads in the thread which seem to indicate that she is involved in the thread as it progresses. Koshi is posting useless and meaningless trash. Explain your reads on both of them to me.
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Wait, holyflare didn’t even do the minimum to not be mkdkilled. He didn’t vote in the voting thread.
I guess there is a third option to understand his shitty play this far 1) pants-on-head-useless 2) scum 3) townie who thinks they are making some slick play.
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Kaley, rayn, could we please not devolve into personal attacks? They make the game less fun for all of us.
I think that Kaley's most recent post is circular and conclusory (rayn is mafia therefore the stuff rayn is posting is scummy therefore rayn is mafia) without pointing out specific language. As a result, it really isn't helpful and doesn't do anything to change my opinion of the situation.
I agree that Koshi isn't really contributing very seriously and he should be looked at as a more serious lynch candidate in the near future. His posts generally are not helping the town, with the possible exception of his halfhearted stabs at me, which at least potentially foster discussion. However, I don't agree with calling him scummy for not posting his town reads, at least if those townies are not under threat of lynch and he himself is not about to die.
More importantly, I think we currently have better candidates for potential lynching in Vivax (who has admitted to making a read on no information) and Kaley (who, at best, is being actively destructive to the town atmosphere).
By the way (kitaman or mocsta please correct me if I'm wrong), the game has 48 hour days, and you don't need to vote every 24 hours, only post once every 24 hours. I'm more concerned about the players (Meapak, Rels, RoL, Damdred, and prplhz) who haven't posted at all yet. I'm not reading anything into holyflare's post except "I want to meet the posting requirement, so here's a quick post that does that." I'll worry more about him if we don't see something more substantial over the weekend.
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I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however.
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2018. Lesbatron breaking down the scene, yo
Make-believing self made meta
bitching bout whatever let a
crazybitchlikeraynplay? better get a
sigh collegeist to check ya.. ..
nooobody gives a fuck about your
politics i'd rather smack more
bar bricks at you, won't let you bore
me nah got something-else in store?..
Sorry, i don't need your vulgar (shitlording) sass
dragging down the-appeal of class won't
get you-anything, i'll pass on
educating you i'lljustlynchyourass.
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I am ok with Kelsier.
I dont know if town!Vivax made a lazy early game read on Kaley and is now defending it. I think town!vivax would just say "ok lazy read it sucks w.e". But maybe he still believes.
Imo looking for mafia is finding that 1 post the mafia went a bit lazy and punish him for it. Maybe Qatol did that. Maybe not.
Sergio, I was being mafia on purpose. The one in which I said I was going to be nice and active. And the reply on your initial scumread. It was obvious.
Now lets see if you can grasp that. Or that being mafia prevents you being logical.
Other than that. I am ok lynching Kaley but not really. But I am fine with the wagon and the pressure.
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On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however.
Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do.
I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like:
On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them.
imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought.
Anyway. Vivax tip top town
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We are not lynching rayn.
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On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
Koshi is sooooo scummy, am I totally pants-on-head retarded? I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can not be voting him right now, he says in post #99 that he has three town reads but he doesn’t ever reveal them, he isn’t contributing while spamming and pretending to have reads. Koshi = Scum.
Vivax in post #119 says he didn’t read Kayly’s post from which he read her as town. Highly suspicious if Kaley = town that Vivax = scum. Vivax has made a town read based on something he didn’t even read. If that ‘read’ is correct it seems like it comes from alignment knowledge.
I see that Kelsier has seen the same things in that post as I have. That makes Kelsier relatively townie irrespective of the alignments of Vivax and Kaley.
Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
Rayn: calm down, no matter how you feel about Kaley’s RP your behavior is negatively effecting the town atmosphere. If you are town think about it and get better. If you are scum listen to me and do that right thing anyway so I don’t have to read your shit stirring before I lynch you.
If you are still present I would like to discuss Kaley and Koshi. Kaley is posting relatively coherently and has some reads in the thread which seem to indicate that she is involved in the thread as it progresses. Koshi is posting useless and meaningless trash. Explain your reads on both of them to me.
STRONG WORDS YOUNG PADAWAN
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##unvote
##vote Holyflare
I assume Sergio and HF are not partners. Even though I don't understand why Sergio lashed out like that.
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On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
Koshi is sooooo scummy, am I totally pants-on-head retarded? I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can not be voting him right now, he says in post #99 that he has three town reads but he doesn’t ever reveal them, he isn’t contributing while spamming and pretending to have reads. Koshi = Scum.
Vivax in post #119 says he didn’t read Kayly’s post from which he read her as town. Highly suspicious if Kaley = town that Vivax = scum. Vivax has made a town read based on something he didn’t even read. If that ‘read’ is correct it seems like it comes from alignment knowledge.
I see that Kelsier has seen the same things in that post as I have. That makes Kelsier relatively townie irrespective of the alignments of Vivax and Kaley.
Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
Rayn: calm down, no matter how you feel about Kaley’s RP your behavior is negatively effecting the town atmosphere. If you are town think about it and get better. If you are scum listen to me and do that right thing anyway so I don’t have to read your shit stirring before I lynch you.
If you are still present I would like to discuss Kaley and Koshi. Kaley is posting relatively coherently and has some reads in the thread which seem to indicate that she is involved in the thread as it progresses. Koshi is posting useless and meaningless trash. Explain your reads on both of them to me.
Also pretty lol.
Am I trolling Sergio or is Sergio trolling me?
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Qatol Qatol Qatol.
Potentially you are just a friendly guy. I don't trust friendly guys.
Friendly. Slimy. Friendly. Pocketing. Who knows who knows.
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hahahaha only 10 hours left. Goddamn.
Can we agree on making this day 96 hours or something? Like...
TL mafia is not great anymore.
Like D1 96 hours. Rest same.
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Or maybe we should do that next games. Sad days.
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Fun story.
I am going to a party tonight.
So I have around 36 minutes left to play.
I check phone maybe.
maybeee.
goddamn.
Mafia will weasel themselves out of the lynch by making 3 posts. That if we even hit mafia.............
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5 people haven't posted yet. I shall go post in mafia QT that I am ok with extending. If my 2 partners agree you will have 48 more hours to catch us.
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+ Show Spoiler +(I also need more time to pocket Sergio, my current strat (2scummy2bscum) isn't working)
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On September 08 2018 03:15 KelsierSC wrote:
I have a question for rayn as to why koshi is town and vice versa
I don't lynch rayn either alignment. At least on D1/2.
I don't even entertain the idea.
Unless he really pisses me off. But then he flips town.
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I read Kelsier.
He is making analytical posts I don't understand and don't want to try to understand.
Free D1 pass in lazytown.
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Lynch HF for being anti town on purpose.
In this town we needed help. He didn't do that.
So he plays super anti town.
If he flips town we got rid of a bad town and can be proud of ourselves.
If he flips mafia I should get 3 virgins and a pet dragon.
Bonus: Sergio lasing out on HF was completely unnecessary and suggests a connection.
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Also. Game is for fun.
Kaley is allowed to have fun.
rayn hates fun.
Don't listen to rayn.
All reasons why Kaley would be mafia are bad. You have her because she is a lesbian.
#lbgtmovement #metoo
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On September 08 2018 13:49 Sergiovan wrote:
1) pants-on-head-useless 2) scum 3) townie who thinks they are making some slick play.
imho Sergio should stick to singing great belgian songs.
1) Why? pants on head because he voted somebody? Why?
2) Why? scum because he voted somebody? Why?
3) Why? townie who thinks they are making some slick play because he voted somebody? Why?
Weird. Total weird.
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Can't have 13 posts on this page. That's bad luck.
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I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more.
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Maybe I don't want to lynch the only guy trying though.
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Kelsier is way too placid and defending people under the guise of pointing out contradictions.
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On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more.
Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes.
@vivax
On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however.
at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason.
On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:
I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective.
Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi sayingOn September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do. I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought. Anyway. Vivax tip top town
just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is.
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I'd only lynch sergio or vivax today.
I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on.
There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch.
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On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf.
why ?
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On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
Yes
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On September 08 2018 21:07 Koshi wrote:
hahahaha only 10 hours left. Goddamn.
Can we agree on making this day 96 hours or something? Like...
TL mafia is not great anymore.
Like D1 96 hours. Rest same.
TBH I like this idea a lot
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On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more.
on the contrary, I think it makes him very town
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Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley
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On September 08 2018 23:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. why ?
Yea it isn't a smurf after reading through the profile. And it sure as hell isn't a she. I was sure it was a new acc just for this game, meh. I was wrong. But the rapping thing isn't something exclusive to this game. It's just his hobby.
I don't want to vote him though. There's too many shitty votes on kaley floating about, some policy like rayn, some for weird analysis of the rap like from Qatol. And you for no reason.
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My vote is not on Kaley for policy. My vote is on Kaley because after deciphering his posts the only thing that he has said is a scumread on me and a scumread on Qatol for apparently no other reason than us calling out anti-town behavior (lol). It's literally super ridiculous reasoning to scumread anyone, especially since both me and Qatol have NOT ONLY focused on him in this game, aka there is also other content to analyse. Those scumreads cannot be legit because they are based on a reasoning that doesn't make anyone mafia and anyone with half brain can understand that. And i don't automatically assume people who play this game are stupid. Basically he is present but not playing mafia, and i associate that with alignment mafia.
I am gonna downgrade Kelsier too because i have absolutely no idea where that Serge scumread comes from and why does he have to couple him with Vivax (i mean why not only push Vivax if he strongly thinks Vivax is mafia?) there, after completely zero mentions of the guy all game before now.
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I don't think Sergio is mafia. But he seems to be a bit of a dick if he asks rayn to play nice then proceeds to call Koshis posts trash. I think Koshi is rather townie.
I think we should lynch RoL, cause RoL always flips mafia.
##Vote RoL
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I am also gonna trust Koshi's read on Vivax because i think Koshi is town and lately i am trash on reading Vivax and can't tell his town game from mafia game. But you're gonna vote for a no show? really?
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I think it makes sense to extend the day as well (I at least will PM kitaman and moscta about this). We have 4/13 = ~30% of the players who have yet to make a post at all. Mafia games degrade quickly when a large percentage of the players aren't contributing. I'm hoping that the inactivity is happening as a result of Friday and Saturday being the most common nights for people to be away from home. Although I'm not positive more time will fix the problem, I think it makes sense to give the game a chance to be better.
My personal context on the subject for anyone who cares:
+ Show Spoiler +I was one of the original forces behind inactivity modkills on TL (for those who don't know I was the original moderator of the ban list), mostly as a result of this game. The town was so inactive the mafia could take the strategy of night killing anyone who voted, while at the same time hiding amongst the inactives themselves. The end of that game was a miserable experience, with inactivity literally deciding the game.
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For some magical reason the inactives always miraculously happen to be the same people..
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Which is exactly why inactivity bans became a thing in the first place. It weeds them out of the games and/or forces them to pay more attention.
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On September 09 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My vote is not on Kaley for policy. My vote is on Kaley because after deciphering his posts the only thing that he has said is a scumread on me and a scumread on Qatol for apparently no other reason than us calling out anti-town behavior (lol). It's literally super ridiculous reasoning to scumread anyone, especially since both me and Qatol have NOT ONLY focused on him in this game, aka there is also other content to analyse. Those scumreads cannot be legit because they are based on a reasoning that doesn't make anyone mafia and anyone with half brain can understand that. And i don't automatically assume people who play this game are stupid. Basically he is present but not playing mafia, and i associate that with alignment mafia.
I am gonna downgrade Kelsier too because i have absolutely no idea where that Serge scumread comes from and why does he have to couple him with Vivax (i mean why not only push Vivax if he strongly thinks Vivax is mafia?) there, after completely zero mentions of the guy all game before now.
could just read and ask me
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On September 09 2018 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My vote is not on Kaley for policy. My vote is on Kaley because after deciphering his posts the only thing that he has said is a scumread on me and a scumread on Qatol for apparently no other reason than us calling out anti-town behavior (lol). It's literally super ridiculous reasoning to scumread anyone, especially since both me and Qatol have NOT ONLY focused on him in this game, aka there is also other content to analyse. Those scumreads cannot be legit because they are based on a reasoning that doesn't make anyone mafia and anyone with half brain can understand that. And i don't automatically assume people who play this game are stupid. Basically he is present but not playing mafia, and i associate that with alignment mafia.
I am gonna downgrade Kelsier too because i have absolutely no idea where that Serge scumread comes from and why does he have to couple him with Vivax (i mean why not only push Vivax if he strongly thinks Vivax is mafia?) there, after completely zero mentions of the guy all game before now. could just read and ask me
read what? there is zero mention of serge in your filter.
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Or do you mean the read Holyflare made? Because i don't think that's a good read at all.
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Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far.
Plus, we're getting posts like this:
On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley
Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more.
However, the thing that is most perplexing about the situation is Kaley's insistence on staying in character and getting in a flamewar with rayn rather than providing any real analysis. Kaley, you're spending the time to put together semi-rhymes. Why not at least point to the words rayn has posted that are making you push for him so hard? From what I can tell, your original read came from him stating that he would policy lynch people who posted rp/ms paint. He hadn't even said anything about you before you started trying to aggravate him. As I have mentioned repeatedly, you really haven't posted anything that helps the town. Instead, your posts have been inflammatory and disruptive. As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you.
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On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. Plus, we're getting posts like this: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more.
During those 30 minutes I read the game.
Sergio's angryness makes no sense as scum in my opinion.
Kaley has chosen to play in a way that makes her very hard to read. Fair enough. But when pushed for it, she doubled down and did it more strongly. I can see this strategy coming more from scum (kinda like "they wouldn't believe scum would continue roleplaying in my position"). Could also come from stubborn town but for now she's the more likely to flip scum.
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On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far.Plus, we're getting posts like this: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. However, the thing that is most perplexing about the situation is Kaley's insistence on staying in character and getting in a flamewar with rayn rather than providing any real analysis. Kaley, you're spending the time to put together semi-rhymes. Why not at least point to the words rayn has posted that are making you push for him so hard? From what I can tell, your original read came from him stating that he would policy lynch people who posted rp/ms paint. He hadn't even said anything about you before you started trying to aggravate him. As I have mentioned repeatedly, you really haven't posted anything that helps the town. Instead, your posts have been inflammatory and disruptive. As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you.
##vote Qatol
This is so contradictory. You can't understand why there is no push back (maybe the fact that Kaley could be town?) so you'll vote Kaley regardless?
It's not even a reason to scum read Kaley. Kaley is poking at rayn because rayn's points blatantly pointed towards policy lyncing Kaley. You are simply voting the highest wagon (that could well be town) that is currently active under the guise of policy/scum lynch.
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Final Vote Count
Kaley [3]: Qatol, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Rels
Koshi [1]: Sergiovan
raynpelikoneet [1]: Kaley
Vivax [1]: Koshi, KelsierSC
Holyflare [1]: Koshi
RebirthOfLeGenD [1]: Vivax
Qatol [1]: Koshi, Holyflare
Kaley the Vanilla Town has been lynched.
Meapak_Ziphh, RebirthOfLeGenD, Damdred, and prplhz have received warnings for failure to post and vote.
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GREAT GIF CHOICE KITA!
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Loads of people might have voted mafia.
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On September 09 2018 04:28 Rels wrote:
rayn not interacting with me feels weird
please elaborate?
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I need to ask Holyflare something but only after Qatol has posted.
Koshi where do you wanna go?
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I didn't realise Qatol had voted Kaley before that post. Regardless, the point still stands.
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In Qatol's world he originated the vote on Kaley, saw that Rayn had essentially policy lynched Kaley (even if he calls it a scum read, Qatol still thought it was a policy), saw and even commented on Rels' vote exclaiming it said absolutely nothing and saw my original vote which was based on Kaley failing on some rhymes.
Then he says there's no push back, can't understand why and doubles down on the vote despite not really getting an answer to any of the votes he questions.
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Well it really doesn't matter anymore what Qatol says in terms of "i need to wait". I was kinda hoping you wouldnt have made that post HF in case youre town as i was kinda hoping Qatol would have used the "i voted Kaley first" as an asnwer to your question if he's mafia. But you kinda blew it there...
Why did you decide to vote for Qatol? Instead of Serge? Did you think you would really gather momentum to lynch Qatol over Kaly (who you read as town -- aka you are trying to, or should be, save them)? At least Kelsier would have possibly followed you onto your other scumread. Who did you think will vote for Qatol at that point?
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I am also a bit baffled about your "such strong" townread on Kaley because there was literally no reason to townread them, which also makes me baffled on your comment "maybe the fact that Kaley could be town?" because that's just simply an unreasonable statement in a game where 1/3 of the players are just afk and another 1/3 is basically playing with idgaf attitude.
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Koshi has your stance on Vivax changed after whole D1?
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I never said I strongly town read Kaley at all. I just didn't scum read Kaley.
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That's why i said "such strong", i didn't mean you had a strong townread, i meant you shouldn't have one at all.
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I voted for the person who I thought made the scummiest post, that is all. I don't think a logical player like Qatol who sees 3 policy votes on Kaley and hasn't really got a proper explanation for any of them would continue voting for Kaley if they were town. I think it's quite obvious why there would be no push back in that regard so making that post is counter intuitive to what I would do or think in his position.
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I don't think I ever said I had a town read on Kaley at all. Where did I say that?
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Kaley literally did something that is anti-town, proceeded to call people who called out anti-town behavior mafia, and proceeded to do nothing after ever when asked for a REAL reasoning.
Those actions should never be a townread for anyone.
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On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more.
I do not know what is this if it is not a townread.
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For the record i didn't start being a dick, so you also got that all wrong too.
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On September 09 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more. I do not know what is this if it is not a townread.
It's not a scum read. I don't put weight into what you say that people that get irate at you for policy-ing them are mafia, that's all. It's not a town read and not a scum read. If I had to make a gut call in that specific situation I would favour someone doing that to be town but I never did that in this game and it's irrelevant to what I'm actually saying about Qatol.
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On September 09 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i didn't start being a dick, so you also got that all wrong too.
You weren't really, no. I think that post was just piggy backing off someone else's comment though.
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On September 08 2018 04:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Yeh I can't understand it.
There isn't even a reason given for why she voted rayn so how can you take this push to be genuine.
On September 08 2018 04:34 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, i try to make this very simple.
If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing.
And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax. alternatively kaley could be a smurf town just dicking around voting you. gut vivax has stated he believes the push is genuine so that doesn't make his reasoning sound either.
Don't get these two posts next to each other. Bit weird playing devil's advocate for no reason when you first state the posts aren't good.
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On September 09 2018 20:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i didn't start being a dick, so you also got that all wrong too. You weren't really, no. I think that post was just piggy backing off someone else's comment though.
Actually, no, it wasn't. I thought you were being sexist and so the point still stands. Comments were dick-ish. Kaley was also dick-ish though.
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If the afks start posting, then this game should be in the bag, at least in my head I got a good picture of who's town so far. I'd rather not talk about it until tomorrow.
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I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this:
You are saying this:
I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick
When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless:
1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened)
2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia).
Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town?
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And once again, if i was to policy lynch Kaley i would have voted for him earlier. I respectfully asked him to play properly, i tried to read his posts, i tried to analyse them, i figured he never said shit aside from his spacegoat reads and i scumread him for that.
I don't know why people are trying to paint my vote as a policy lynch because it is quite clear that's not what happened, i even made multiple posts explaining why i scumread him. Even before my vote.
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Kaley wasn't the worst of lynches considering that his raps would have remained his only contributions for the rest of the game. But I'm wary of anyone who tried to argue that the above wasn't the only reason.
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On September 09 2018 20:51 Vivax wrote:
Kaley wasn't the worst of lynches considering that his raps would have remained his only contributions for the rest of the game. But I'm wary of anyone who tried to argue that the above wasn't the only reason.
I am not sure what you are trying to say here. Very easy argument to make since he flipped town, and idgaf how vary you will be of me for the rest of the game because if you are not saying what i was just above then i disagree with you.
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On September 09 2018 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 20:51 Vivax wrote:
Kaley wasn't the worst of lynches considering that his raps would have remained his only contributions for the rest of the game. But I'm wary of anyone who tried to argue that the above wasn't the only reason. I am not sure what you are trying to say here. Very easy argument to make since he flipped town, and idgaf how vary you will be of me for the rest of the game because if you are not saying what i was just above then i disagree with you.
After a quick reread, to me it looks like the point where your "lynch all rp crap" turned into a scumread is when you attacked me for my crappy townread.
But you being the originator of the push and being rayn on top of it, I don't think that you're the most likely to be mafia out of the bunch who voted kaley. I'm also not of the opinion that there has to be mafia among those who voted kaley (although it would be easy to sneak a vote in). Much easier to just not do anything at all or vote off wagon considering the amount of inactives.
That said to tell you that my previous post doesn't allude to you but rather to the guys who flocked around the kaley wagon.
And overall, I'm going to be very careful about the reads I want to have until we get more posts in esp. from the remaining players. To my knowledge mafia might not have made a single post.
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I "concede" i would have probably tried to lynch Kaley regardless of what he said if he kept acting like he did. But you are wrong, that's not why i decided to keep my vote on him, fully, it was because i actually thought he is mafia.
What i am saying is yes, i would prolly try to policy lynch him either way but in the end a policy is NOT why i voted for him, so i think you are being a bit unreasonable here. As i think i was being quite clear why i actually scumread him, like:
On September 08 2018 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
People who make "funny posts" too often get a pass just because they make funny posts. But like Qatol pointed out, what did Kaley actually say?
On September 08 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well she just went for "i do anti-town things and when i am called out those people are the ones i call scum" -strategy. lol Ftr she still hasnt said anything, except for the above.
On September 08 2018 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 05:52 Kaley wrote:
Lesbatron is stomping rude
rayn who thinks he's dope like Doob
He ain't shit he just a noob
scum who'll eat his final food to
day before he's eating rope
inb4 you'll see him mope
cares about the gamestate nope I assume there is something there, like idk.. explain it to me because your rhymes are fucking shit and also not plaing mafia. yes? where? I love giving the green red shitheads a hard time if you wanna go into politics but here the lezzy can tell me what is my baseless argument? Show nested quote +Give this man what he deserves
see him flip red till he learns
roleplay shit is super legit
and if you diss it you better not be scum, raynpelikoneet yes <3
in case you are not reading properly this is me pointing out that all kaley did in his "scumread" on me was using fancy words that are "mafia-esque" like strawman, self-made meta, baseless arguments, which dont mean anything unless you put a body behind the accusation, which, once again he never did.
the problem for me is noone in the game aside from me andf Qatol managed to give any sort of real read on Kaley, basically everyone just said "he can be whatever" which is really dumb especially when he flipped town, since i have to now figure out why you, HF, Kelsier, Koshi, Rels and Serge (in a way) decided to do what they did. well not Koshi because i think there is no way he is mafia, but tbh i am not sure at all on any of the others. If Qatol is mafia his Kaley i read i think is not why he is mafia, Kaley gave an easy out for any scummer active to act like they did D1, and if i am completely honest almost all of you i pointed out look worse than Qatol does in terms on reading Kaley.
That being said i am interested in what Qatol has to say regarding what HF posted.
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On September 09 2018 19:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi has your stance on Vivax changed after whole D1?
Kill HF
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On September 09 2018 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this: You are saying this: Show nested quote + I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless: 1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened) 2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia). Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town?
About three people called Kaley mafia because they were posting in rhymes and being specifically antagonistic towards you. It's the entire basis for Qatol's scum read even.
Just because I don't agree with you or other people that this makes Kaley mafia does not also infer I think Kaley is town nor is it a town read. It's a read that means I don't think that specific point makes that specific person mafia.
I don't know why you are trying so hard to put words in my mouth that I never quite said but you should stop.
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On September 09 2018 23:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this: You are saying this: I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless: 1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened) 2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia). Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town? About three people called Kaley mafia because they were posting in rhymes and being specifically antagonistic towards you. It's the entire basis for Qatol's scum read even. Just because I don't agree with you or other people that this makes Kaley mafia does not also infer I think Kaley is town nor is it a town read. It's a read that means I don't think that specific point makes that specific person mafia. I don't know why you are trying so hard to put words in my mouth that I never quite said but you should stop.
And I didn't even use the post to "defend" Kaley either. I came in the game and voted Kaley because I thought they weren't really doing anything other than half baked rhymes. Reading through a bit more gave me slightly different conclusions.
You keep saying it's a town read but if I was even that concerned why didn't I move my vote? Didn't even move it till I saw the Qatol post and rels joining for 0 reasons.
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Now, if we could get back to actually relevant stuff. People that aren't rayn talking about Qatol would be good.
Rayn talking about Kelsier posts would also be good.
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On September 09 2018 23:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this: You are saying this: I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless: 1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened) 2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia). Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town? About three people called Kaley mafia because they were posting in rhymes and being specifically antagonistic towards you. It's the entire basis for Qatol's scum read even.
Can you show me which posts you are referring to? Also can you elaborate on how is that Qatol's scum read because i do not think that is and it to me seems quite clear it isn't the reason why he is or was scumreading Kaley.
I have said everything i have to say about Qatol so far.
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Oh Kelsier, sorry, idk i dont know what you are looking for. I think your scumread on Serge is based on stuff that doesn't necessarily make anyone mafia (especially a player who is playing their first game here) and while i can somehow underrstand how you make that read i have no idea how Kelsier "jumps on board" like that having no mention of Serge in his filter earlier.
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I do not have other problems with Kelsier.
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I didn't say or ask about anything to do with Serge....
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On September 09 2018 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn talking about Kelsier posts would also be good.
well that's all i have to say about Kelsier.
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If that's not what you are asking then i dnu what your quote above is referring to.
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rayn. What is your hf read? I am drunk so make it easy to understand.
My read is lynch fast.
Because we die.
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On September 09 2018 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well it really doesn't matter anymore what Qatol says in terms of "i need to wait". I was kinda hoping you wouldnt have made that post HF in case youre town as i was kinda hoping Qatol would have used the "i voted Kaley first" as an asnwer to your question if he's mafia. But you kinda blew it there...
Why did you decide to vote for Qatol? Instead of Serge? Did you think you would really gather momentum to lynch Qatol over Kaly (who you read as town -- aka you are trying to, or should be, save them)? At least Kelsier would have possibly followed you onto your other scumread. Who did you think will vote for Qatol at that point?
Okay let me address this. I hadn't posted on Holyflare's vote because, quite frankly, his argument is ridiculous, mischaracterizes the situation, and causes a distraction. That being said, because people are asking me to respond, let me break things down. (Sorry I couldn't respond sooner, but you waited between 5am and 6am my time, so it wasn't going to happen)
On September 09 2018 06:23 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far.Plus, we're getting posts like this: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. However, the thing that is most perplexing about the situation is Kaley's insistence on staying in character and getting in a flamewar with rayn rather than providing any real analysis. Kaley, you're spending the time to put together semi-rhymes. Why not at least point to the words rayn has posted that are making you push for him so hard? From what I can tell, your original read came from him stating that he would policy lynch people who posted rp/ms paint. He hadn't even said anything about you before you started trying to aggravate him. As I have mentioned repeatedly, you really haven't posted anything that helps the town. Instead, your posts have been inflammatory and disruptive. As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you. This is so contradictory. You can't understand why there is no push back (maybe the fact that Kaley could be town?) so you'll vote Kaley regardless? It's not even a reason to scum read Kaley. Kaley is poking at rayn because rayn's points blatantly pointed towards policy lynching Kaley. You are simply voting the highest wagon (that could well be town) that is currently active under the guise of policy/scum lynch.
I do indeed mention that there is no push back on Kaley, which could mean that Kaley is town. If you look back at previous posts I have made, I repeatedly been asked Kaley to post something, anything productive. Instead, she insisted on her "raps" and throwing personal attacks at rayn with no logic.
I agree that there not being pushback isn't a reason to scum read Kaley. However, this isn't my first post on Kaley. If you look at my filter, it's actually my 6th post that mentions Kaley. My scumread was based on Kaley doing her best to disrupt and distract the town without actually contributing. Again, in those posts, just like in the one you pointed out, I have been asking Kaley to contribute.
Finally, the wagon. I was the first to vote Kaley. As I mentioned above, I also made a large amount of the discussion on Kaley. Hardly a bandwagon vote. In fact, the only votes that could reasonably be considered bandwagon votes are your own vote and Rels (rayn's vote occurred at a time when there was 4 different players with 1 vote for them and thus is more of a vote that pointed us in a direction).
You further clarify this point later in the thread by saying this:
On September 09 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't realise Qatol had voted Kaley before that post. Regardless, the point still stands.
The post you're so worried about clearly states "As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you." You even went through the effort to bold this portion of my post. Are you now trying to state that you took the effort to accuse me based on this post, and even specifically bold this portion of the post but didn't read it?
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On September 09 2018 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
Now, if we could get back to actually relevant stuff. People that aren't rayn talking about Qatol would be good.
Rayn talking about Kelsier posts would also be good.
Okay, let me comment one more time on this because you requested it and because you have posted a few other things that simply aren't true. The big one is the reason for my read on Kaley.
On September 09 2018 23:22 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2018 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this: You are saying this: Show nested quote + I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless: 1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened) 2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia). Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town? About three people called Kaley mafia because they were posting in rhymes and being specifically antagonistic towards you. It's the entire basis for Qatol's scum read even. Just because I don't agree with you or other people that this makes Kaley mafia does not also infer I think Kaley is town nor is it a town read. It's a read that means I don't think that specific point makes that specific person mafia. I don't know why you are trying so hard to put words in my mouth that I never quite said but you should stop.
It was not because she was antagonistic towards rayn. It was because she wasn't contributing and was actively trying to distract people from useful conversation. Her first post was a summary of spam. Her second post was an attempt to provoke a policy lynch. Her third post was another summary of spam (after being called out on it) and then attacks on rayn and myself without providing any reasoning. Her posts after that point were basically just a mixture of accusing rayn as mafia (again, without reasoning) and personal attacks on rayn. How is that helpful, pro-town behavior?
I also find it amusing that you are worried about other people putting words in your mouth when that's exactly what you just did.
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Okay, hopefully everything is explained and we can move on to useful conversation, though I do still want to know how it could happen that Holyflare didn't read a portion of my post that he took the time to bold.
I see another post I'd like to discuss.
On September 09 2018 05:45 Koshi wrote:
No. Kaley is fine. But after that it is HF and not Sergio. Because Sergio is linked to hf. And he tried.
Koshi, please explain your logic around when the voting ended. I understand you have a scum read on HolyFlare and a town read on Sergio. This post makes it seem like you were also okay with the Kaley lynch. My question is why did you leave your vote where you did? It was pretty obvious at the time that HolyFlare was unlikely to be the lynch. You seem to acknowledge that yourself. So why leave your vote on HolyFlare, making a last second vote switch from Kaley to someone you don't want to see lynched, such as Sergio, more likely?
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On another note, Vivax, I'm confused by your vote as well. I would like to hear more from you about it.
On September 09 2018 01:57 Vivax wrote:
I don't think Sergio is mafia. But he seems to be a bit of a dick if he asks rayn to play nice then proceeds to call Koshis posts trash. I think Koshi is rather townie.
I think we should lynch RoL, cause RoL always flips mafia.
##Vote RoL
So you have town reads on Sergio and Koshi. Your filter reveals you wanting to refrain from scumreading anyone. You softly defend Kaley and softly scumread me here:
On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them.
But then you back off from it here:
On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however.
But then, out of nowhere, you decide to vote for RoL, someone who hasn't even posted, has no votes on him, and is thus extremely unlikely to be lynched. Why? Just so your vote won't matter? How do you think that helps? You're just making it easier for the mafia to influence the vote. Especially in a game that's this as inactive as this one has been, this vote sticks out, considering you have been actively posting in the thread.
This vote looks to me like you are afraid to take a stand against anyone. This really looks to me like you could be mafia who is pleased with how the lynch is going and didn't want to be accused of making a bandwagon vote. So please explain.
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On September 10 2018 03:46 Qatol wrote:Okay, hopefully everything is explained and we can move on to useful conversation, though I do still want to know how it could happen that Holyflare didn't read a portion of my post that he took the time to bold. I see another post I'd like to discuss. Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 05:45 Koshi wrote:
No. Kaley is fine. But after that it is HF and not Sergio. Because Sergio is linked to hf. And he tried. Koshi, please explain your logic around when the voting ended. I understand you have a scum read on HolyFlare and a town read on Sergio. This post makes it seem like you were also okay with the Kaley lynch. My question is why did you leave your vote where you did? It was pretty obvious at the time that HolyFlare was unlikely to be the lynch. You seem to acknowledge that yourself. So why leave your vote on HolyFlare, making a last second vote switch from Kaley to someone you don't want to see lynched, such as Sergio, more likely?
I dont tr Sergio. Because if HF is mafia Sergio is likely as well. And I think HF is mafia.
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Qatol. I am drunk. Your read on hf. With little small words.
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I didnt sr Kaley btw. But I cant read rping people so they can die.
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Like I said. People are allowed to have fun and rayn hates fun.
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Koshi, in post #153 you claim you were being scummy on purpose. So, okay, if you are town what did you hope to gain by doing so and have you finished playing that way?
In post #168 you say that HF is scum for playing intentionally anti town but, unless I’m much mistaken, isn’t that what you are claiming to be doing? Why would town!koshi accuse HF of being scum for exhibiting the same behaviors that town!koshi is exhibiting.
In response to #172 I guess I didn’t explain it well but I was responding to the same behavior you were in #168. HF was playing in a clearly bad way which means he is either a) bad b) mafia c) playing intentionally badly.
From the above I still lean towards Koshi being scum with the caveat that I have seen town players play intentionally anti-town D1 and then shape up having ‘succeeded’ at using their bad play to help them understand the game state.
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Kelsier: in post #181 you say that Koshi is “very weird” and gives you “bad feelings” but that you wouldn’t lynch him. I don’t understand how you make that razor thin distinction. Can you explain to me both the reasons he gives you bad feelings and the reason you wouldn’t lynch him.
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Rayn: in post #235 you state that no one but you and Qatol gave reads on Kaley. I clearly stated that I believed her to be town based on her attitude.
More importantly though in the above mentioned post you say that “there is no way” that Koshi is scum. Go read my cases against him and explain how that is possible. I freely admit I don’t think he is a slam dunk 100% confirmed mafia but I fail to see how he is confirmed town.
what is your read on Kelsier? I can’t decipher it from your post #241.
In that same post why are you so quick to defend me?
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Rels: from post #201 it seems like Kaley was both a policy lynch and a scum read for you. Which is it?
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Qatol: you defense of yourself in #247 seems misplaced. You either aren’t reading or aren’t actually moving with the thread.
HF is saying that your claim that there was no pushback on Kaley is scummy and your defense is “I said that there was pushback” and you say “there not being pushback isn't a reason to scum read Kaley.” But isn’t that actually a reason to have a town read on Kaley? You said so in your previous post.
You are have a big post to defend yourself which relies on its length rather than its quality to achieve that defense.
Qatol, based on the above post moves to the red column.
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Koshi, you still around? I’d like to check in with you
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Sure. But care levels are low.
Good on you to do things.
Not reading the things though.
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Sergiovan makes kind of a silly big post that's way too serious for the then current mood of the threat, bad feels. I like Kaley because scum generally don't put effort into mad rhymes. I don't like Quatol because he disagrees with me on this.
Why does Quatol come more naturally than Qatol?
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I think Kaley is a smurf because posting in rhymes isn't really something you'd do in your first game. Vivax thinks this and I don't know why raynpelikoneet and Qatol don't think the same.
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And why they go on Vivax for thinking this.
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On September 08 2018 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Qatol Qatol Qatol.
Potentially you are just a friendly guy. I don't trust friendly guys.
Friendly. Slimy. Friendly. Pocketing. Who knows who knows.
I think Qatol is one of those old school guys from before you started playing who is just generally a nice person. I guess you don't fully get that but there were a bunch of those around at the dawn of TLMafia.
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I’m torn on Prplhz. On the one hand his posts aren’t helpful to town as a whole at all yet on the other hand I’m highly amused by his town read on a flipped dead townie and although it isn’t a great heuristic generally when people amuse me they are town.
Koshi and HF what are your thoughts on Prplhz’s entrance to the thread?
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At page 10, I don't know what happened but we should have lynched RoL.
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On September 09 2018 01:57 Vivax wrote:
I don't think Sergio is mafia. But he seems to be a bit of a dick if he asks rayn to play nice then proceeds to call Koshis posts trash. I think Koshi is rather townie.
I think we should lynch RoL, cause RoL always flips mafia.
##Vote RoL
I like this man.
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Lets murder into the AFKs or Rels. At least Kaley was writing something.
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Prplhz: why is RoL the best of the inactive ark lynch?
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why is RoL the best of the inactives TO lynch rather
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On September 10 2018 07:29 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz: why is RoL the best of the inactive ark lynch?
He routinely joins games and then never does anything. At all. Not even a single post. He seems to forget that TL Mafia exists.
Alright maybe we should just wait for modkill but we can threaten to kill him first and see what happens.
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Cause that feels like a losing stratagy to me
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On September 10 2018 07:35 Sergiovan wrote:
Cause that feels like a losing stratagy to me
It's only a pretend-lynch. Maybe. I mean we have to pretend it's not a pretend-lynch.
In any case, I was retroactively recommending it for D1. I'm not really sure about D2 right now.
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A RoL lynch might still be a cool idea.
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Day 2![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F5VZV7b.gif)
Koshi the Town Vigilante has been killed.
Holyflare the Vanilla Town has been killed.
It is now day 2. You have 48 hours to vote for your preferred lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, Sep 11 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Voting is mandatory and must be done in the voting thread.
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On September 10 2018 05:24 Sergiovan wrote:
Qatol: you defense of yourself in #247 seems misplaced. You either aren’t reading or aren’t actually moving with the thread.
HF is saying that your claim that there was no pushback on Kaley is scummy and your defense is “I said that there was pushback” and you say “there not being pushback isn't a reason to scum read Kaley.” But isn’t that actually a reason to have a town read on Kaley? You said so in your previous post.
You are have a big post to defend yourself which relies on its length rather than its quality to achieve that defense.
Qatol, based on the above post moves to the red column.
I question whether you are reading my post correctly, or my double negatives made things confusing. I agree that there being no push back on Kaley is a reason to town read Kaley. I made that point repeatedly, both in the post that HolyFlare pointed out (#200) and again in the one you mentioned (#247), albeit with a double negative. That was the strongest argument in favor of not lynching Kaley. I said so in both posts. The whole point of post #200 was to, again, give Kaley an opportunity to do something pro-town and to question whether we were doing the right thing by lynching her.
If you think that the post was made for the sheer sake of length, then I simply don't understand where you're coming from. Again, I question whether you actually read the entire post. Maybe you're trying to encourage others not to read my posts?
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I would like more discussion about Vivax. The RoL vote still makes no sense to me, and I still feel like he's trying to be part of the conversation but without actually saying anything. Despite having 16 non-spam posts, pretty much all he's done so far is soft defend Kaley, soft accuse me, say that we were overstating his defense of her, and then say that voting for Kaley was justified.
I'm willing to have my mind changed, but for now, that's where my vote is going.
##Vote: Vivax
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@Qatol Explain to me the night kills as if I were stupid!
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Koshi's main scum read's were Sergio and HF so I assume he shot HF.
Sergio would be a good lynch.
##Vote: Sergiovan
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On September 10 2018 15:19 prplhz wrote:
@Qatol Explain to me the night kills as if I were stupid!
No problem.
Koshi shoots HolyFlare
Mafia shoots Koshi
Koshi has been focused on HolyFlare pretty much ever since HolyFlare jumped onto the Kaley bandwagon. He also said HolyFlare was his #1 lynch priority. It makes sense he would use his vigilante shot on HolyFlare.
As to why the mafia shot Koshi, I can't say for sure. I can think of a couple of potential reasons, any or all of which could be why Koshi was the target.
1. They might have figured out that Koshi was blue. He kinda gave it away with this post:
On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town.
Specifically, he was unnaturally nervous about being lynched day 1. This screams blue.
Looking back, although I didn't catch it at the time, Koshi kinda gave away that he was a vigilante later by asking rayn (#246) and myself (#252) about our opinions of HolyFlare.
2. They might have been trying to shoot active, contributing townies that were unlikely to be watched by a medic. In a game with as many inactives as this one, this is, sadly, a solid strategy.
3. They might have been trying to protect Sergiovan. Although Koshi's #1 target was HolyFlare, he says this:
On September 10 2018 04:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 03:46 Qatol wrote:Okay, hopefully everything is explained and we can move on to useful conversation, though I do still want to know how it could happen that Holyflare didn't read a portion of my post that he took the time to bold. I see another post I'd like to discuss. On September 09 2018 05:45 Koshi wrote:
No. Kaley is fine. But after that it is HF and not Sergio. Because Sergio is linked to hf. And he tried. Koshi, please explain your logic around when the voting ended. I understand you have a scum read on HolyFlare and a town read on Sergio. This post makes it seem like you were also okay with the Kaley lynch. My question is why did you leave your vote where you did? It was pretty obvious at the time that HolyFlare was unlikely to be the lynch. You seem to acknowledge that yourself. So why leave your vote on HolyFlare, making a last second vote switch from Kaley to someone you don't want to see lynched, such as Sergio, more likely? I dont tr Sergio. Because if HF is mafia Sergio is likely as well. And I think HF is mafia.
There are a few problems with this one, at least on its own:
a) We don't know how Koshi would have reacted to Sergiovan after HolyFlare flipped town.
b) Why kill Koshi before he tried to get the town to waste the day 2 lynch on HolyFlare?
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Now my questions for others.
Prplhz: why did you ask me to do that explanation?
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Kelsier: why are you voting for Sergio?
You start focusing on Sergio with this post (which happened during the day 1 lynch):
On September 08 2018 22:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd only lynch sergio or vivax today.
I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on.
There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch.
At this point, the only person to call him out is Koshi (as being connected to HolyFlare). Plus, your post comes one post after you yourself called out Koshi:
On September 08 2018 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more. Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes. @vivax Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason. Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:
I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective. Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi saying Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do. I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like: On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought. Anyway. Vivax tip top town just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is.
When rayn asks you about it, you just say he should read the thread and ask you.
On September 09 2018 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My vote is not on Kaley for policy. My vote is on Kaley because after deciphering his posts the only thing that he has said is a scumread on me and a scumread on Qatol for apparently no other reason than us calling out anti-town behavior (lol). It's literally super ridiculous reasoning to scumread anyone, especially since both me and Qatol have NOT ONLY focused on him in this game, aka there is also other content to analyse. Those scumreads cannot be legit because they are based on a reasoning that doesn't make anyone mafia and anyone with half brain can understand that. And i don't automatically assume people who play this game are stupid. Basically he is present but not playing mafia, and i associate that with alignment mafia.
I am gonna downgrade Kelsier too because i have absolutely no idea where that Serge scumread comes from and why does he have to couple him with Vivax (i mean why not only push Vivax if he strongly thinks Vivax is mafia?) there, after completely zero mentions of the guy all game before now. could just read and ask me
This is me asking you.
In your most recent vote, you say you're voting him because of Koshi's read. Do you have any special reason to trust Koshi's reads other than because he flipped town? His read was contingent on HolyFlare flipping mafia because he saw a connection between Sergio and HolyFlare, which didn't happen. Why do you still think his read was correct?
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On September 10 2018 23:51 Qatol wrote:Kelsier: why are you voting for Sergio? You start focusing on Sergio with this post (which happened during the day 1 lynch): Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 22:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd only lynch sergio or vivax today.
I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on.
There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch. At this point, the only person to call him out is Koshi (as being connected to HolyFlare). Plus, your post comes one post after you yourself called out Koshi: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more. Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes. @vivax On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason. On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:
I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective. Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi saying On September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do. I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like: On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought. Anyway. Vivax tip top town just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is. When rayn asks you about it, you just say he should read the thread and ask you. Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:On September 09 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My vote is not on Kaley for policy. My vote is on Kaley because after deciphering his posts the only thing that he has said is a scumread on me and a scumread on Qatol for apparently no other reason than us calling out anti-town behavior (lol). It's literally super ridiculous reasoning to scumread anyone, especially since both me and Qatol have NOT ONLY focused on him in this game, aka there is also other content to analyse. Those scumreads cannot be legit because they are based on a reasoning that doesn't make anyone mafia and anyone with half brain can understand that. And i don't automatically assume people who play this game are stupid. Basically he is present but not playing mafia, and i associate that with alignment mafia.
I am gonna downgrade Kelsier too because i have absolutely no idea where that Serge scumread comes from and why does he have to couple him with Vivax (i mean why not only push Vivax if he strongly thinks Vivax is mafia?) there, after completely zero mentions of the guy all game before now. could just read and ask me This is me asking you. In your most recent vote, you say you're voting him because of Koshi's read. Do you have any special reason to trust Koshi's reads other than because he flipped town? His read was contingent on HolyFlare flipping mafia because he saw a connection between Sergio and HolyFlare, which didn't happen. Why do you still think his read was correct?
Well he flipped town and mafia thought he was right enough to kill him.
Furthermore I didn't think Sergio's reaction to Holyflare was genuine and before that he felt quite stilted to me.
The fact I found Koshi suspicious isn't relevant at all.
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On September 10 2018 23:44 Qatol wrote:
Now my questions for others.
Prplhz: why did you ask me to do that explanation?
I just found it weird that just skipped any talking about night kills and went straight to defending yourself from some offhand accusation.
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And that your defense is longer than your accusation of Vivax.
And both Koshi and HolyFlare found Qatol scummy. So that's enough for me.
##Vote Qatol
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So you asked me to do that post just for giggles? Why ask for a post and then not discuss anything in it other than its length?
Also, the Vivax post was a continuation of a previous post, post #250 (posted for reference)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 10 2018 04:06 Qatol wrote:On another note, Vivax, I'm confused by your vote as well. I would like to hear more from you about it. Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 01:57 Vivax wrote:
I don't think Sergio is mafia. But he seems to be a bit of a dick if he asks rayn to play nice then proceeds to call Koshis posts trash. I think Koshi is rather townie.
I think we should lynch RoL, cause RoL always flips mafia.
##Vote RoL So you have town reads on Sergio and Koshi. Your filter reveals you wanting to refrain from scumreading anyone. You softly defend Kaley and softly scumread me here: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. But then you back off from it here: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however.
But then, out of nowhere, you decide to vote for RoL, someone who hasn't even posted, has no votes on him, and is thus extremely unlikely to be lynched. Why? Just so your vote won't matter? How do you think that helps? You're just making it easier for the mafia to influence the vote. Especially in a game that's this as inactive as this one has been, this vote sticks out, considering you have been actively posting in the thread.
This vote looks to me like you are afraid to take a stand against anyone. This really looks to me like you could be mafia who is pleased with how the lynch is going and didn't want to be accused of making a bandwagon vote. So please explain.
Are you even reading? It feels like you're randomly throwing out accusations without even bothering to put together any sort of real case. Please, provide a real argument. Point to specific statements. This is seriously the most you have contributed to the game so far, unless you count pushing for lynches of inactives or defending Vivax because he thought Kaley was a smurf (a point that shouldn't really matter) and voted RoL. I'd like to get more conversation out of you.
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Err EBWOP (I messed up the spoiler tag)
So you asked me to do that post just for giggles? Why ask for a post and then not discuss anything in it other than its length?
Also, the Vivax post was a continuation of a previous post, post #250 (posted for reference)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 10 2018 04:06 Qatol wrote:On another note, Vivax, I'm confused by your vote as well. I would like to hear more from you about it. Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 01:57 Vivax wrote:
I don't think Sergio is mafia. But he seems to be a bit of a dick if he asks rayn to play nice then proceeds to call Koshis posts trash. I think Koshi is rather townie.
I think we should lynch RoL, cause RoL always flips mafia.
##Vote RoL So you have town reads on Sergio and Koshi. Your filter reveals you wanting to refrain from scumreading anyone. You softly defend Kaley and softly scumread me here: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. But then you back off from it here: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. But then, out of nowhere, you decide to vote for RoL, someone who hasn't even posted, has no votes on him, and is thus extremely unlikely to be lynched. Why? Just so your vote won't matter? How do you think that helps? You're just making it easier for the mafia to influence the vote. Especially in a game that's this as inactive as this one has been, this vote sticks out, considering you have been actively posting in the thread. This vote looks to me like you are afraid to take a stand against anyone. This really looks to me like you could be mafia who is pleased with how the lynch is going and didn't want to be accused of making a bandwagon vote. So please explain.
Are you even reading? It feels like you're randomly throwing out accusations without even bothering to put together any sort of real case. Please, provide a real argument. Point to specific statements. This is seriously the most you have contributed to the game so far, unless you count pushing for lynches of inactives or defending Vivax because he thought Kaley was a smurf (a point that shouldn't really matter) and voted RoL. I'd like to get more conversation out of you.
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I thought I'd get more out of the night kill discussion with you than I got but that didn't happen. I can't know in advance if your answer will help me discern your alignment.
I don't really get the rest of your post as I didn't vote RoL, I (confusingly) retroactively recommended him for a lynch on D1 (after Kaley had been lynched) and a possible lynch on D2. Like, my first posts were just my thoughts upon reading the game after not having read anything yet.
I don't think that voting for you makes me look afraid. You're kind of a big deal I think? Or used to be back in the days but you still have some of that going on for you.
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Generally you don't avoid conflict in a game like this. I know it's a newbie game but it's full of veterans who will hold you up on every little thing you say.
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On September 11 2018 03:26 prplhz wrote:
I thought I'd get more out of the night kill discussion with you than I got but that didn't happen. I can't know in advance if your answer will help me discern your alignment.
I don't really get the rest of your post as I didn't vote RoL, I (confusingly) retroactively recommended him for a lynch on D1 (after Kaley had been lynched) and a possible lynch on D2. Like, my first posts were just my thoughts upon reading the game after not having read anything yet.
I don't think that voting for you makes me look afraid. You're kind of a big deal I think? Or used to be back in the days but you still have some of that going on for you.
I'm not really sure what else you were hoping to get. Also, read the second post, not the first one. I screwed up the spoiler tag. The RoL vote thing was about Vivax.
Who said anything about being afraid? All I said is that you haven't been posting and it would be helpful to hear more from you. If you feel strongly enough to vote for me, you should be able to make a reasonable argument that isn't just "Koshi and HolyFlare thought you were scummy" and "your Vivax post is shorter than your night analysis post". FYI, Koshi's primary argument was I'm too friendly, which you yourself pointed out doesn't really apply to players from my era, and he was asking me for advice on his vigi hit by the time he died. Half of HolyFlare's argument was just plain wrong, and the other half is me asking a question that I'm still wondering why more people weren't asking right before the lynch.
On September 11 2018 03:30 prplhz wrote:
Generally you don't avoid conflict in a game like this. I know it's a newbie game but it's full of veterans who will hold you up on every little thing you say.
So please find something. Say something. It gives us all a better opportunity to read you.
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Generally I find some people who
1) Are good at finding scum
2) Are town
And then I sheep them. That's really how I do. I rarely do a lot of analysis because I'm really not very good at it. But I wrote a few points on you that I myself find to be something I would expect more from scum.
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Okay, then let's talk about other people. Who else do you think could be a potential mafia member? Is it 2 inactives? Also, how do you feel about the other people who have votes, Vivax and Sergio? Do you still feel like Vivax is on the up and up?
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whoaaaa game started disnt realize.
I am here now. Not much content to sort through give me a couple hours of reading and ask me questions if you want to direct me to someone
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Hi kel, how are you old feiend?
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On September 11 2018 07:27 Damdred wrote:
Hi kel, how are you old feiend?
I'm ok, how are things with you?
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I am sorry, work is a bitch this week.
I just woke up, i will be here for a while in approx one hour.
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I am conflicted on who to lynch. Vivax would be a good lynch as he hasn't contributed anything meaningful apart from that bad kaley read which has been talked about.
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My vote on sergio is just looking at Koshi's reads, Sergio's strange response to HF and the way he went about asking his questions , which felt like "this is how town should play".
However again there's a lot of question marks due to the large number of AFK's.
RoL and Meapak are pretty much done at this point. But guys like prplhz , rels, damdred havent done anything at all.
prplhz especially just looks like spam to avoid a modkill.
It feels wrong to lynch someone like vivax or sergio who are playing the game and letting people who aren't doing anything slip through. My plan is to hover around at deadline and look for someone trying to dodge the modkill with some meaningless posts and lynch that guy.
Realistically all we have to go on is the mafia kill of koshi.
I can see 3 different reasons.
1) They read Koshi as a role
2) Koshi had good reads
3) Koshi is a good player and a good medic dodge.
1) Did Koshi really say anything that screamed he was a role, I don't see it. If you did read him as a role you assume he'd use his power on HF, Sergio or Qatol. That wouldn't necessarily incriminate anyone right as if you think you found a blue you just kill them.
Can anyone give me a post from Koshi that looks blue ? The only other option I see is that mafia is good enough or familiar enough with Koshi to read him as blue based on very little , or at least his game being different from town and mafia know he isn't mafia so must be blue. I'd only give Rayn that much credit.
2) Koshi having good reads , well he had HF as mafia and that was wrong but he had Sergio and Qatol as mafia which makes the two of them look bad. I'm not sure of the two of them who it makes worse.
3) If no one is really close to mafia you just lynch a good townie. Rayn and HF are N1 medic targets or rayn could be mafia so you just kill the next best guy which would be Koshi.
Sticking point behind a Rayn being mafia theory is that Rayn and Koshi townread eachother pretty hard.
So I see two helpful scenaris
Rayn is mafia and killed Koshi as they have familiarity etc and potentially rayn could read him as blue
Kosih was killed for his reads which would make Sergio or Qatol mafia, of the two i'd prefer Sergio.
I've rambled on a lot here as I try to order my thoughts. So my play is to stay active at deadline then lynch into any AFK trying to ninja post/vote. But i'm keeping eyes on rayn and sergio.
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I think i want to lynch Kelsier.
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On September 11 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i want to lynch Kelsier.
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On September 11 2018 22:29 KelsierSC wrote:
I am conflicted on who to lynch. Vivax would be a good lynch as he hasn't contributed anything meaningful apart from that bad kaley read which has been talked about.
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My vote on sergio is just looking at Koshi's reads, Sergio's strange response to HF and the way he went about asking his questions , which felt like "this is how town should play".
However again there's a lot of question marks due to the large number of AFK's.
RoL and Meapak are pretty much done at this point. But guys like prplhz , rels, damdred havent done anything at all.
prplhz especially just looks like spam to avoid a modkill.
It feels wrong to lynch someone like vivax or sergio who are playing the game and letting people who aren't doing anything slip through. My plan is to hover around at deadline and look for someone trying to dodge the modkill with some meaningless posts and lynch that guy.
Realistically all we have to go on is the mafia kill of koshi.
I can see 3 different reasons.
1) They read Koshi as a role
2) Koshi had good reads
3) Koshi is a good player and a good medic dodge.
1) Did Koshi really say anything that screamed he was a role, I don't see it. If you did read him as a role you assume he'd use his power on HF, Sergio or Qatol. That wouldn't necessarily incriminate anyone right as if you think you found a blue you just kill them.
Can anyone give me a post from Koshi that looks blue ? The only other option I see is that mafia is good enough or familiar enough with Koshi to read him as blue based on very little , or at least his game being different from town and mafia know he isn't mafia so must be blue. I'd only give Rayn that much credit.
2) Koshi having good reads , well he had HF as mafia and that was wrong but he had Sergio and Qatol as mafia which makes the two of them look bad. I'm not sure of the two of them who it makes worse.
3) If no one is really close to mafia you just lynch a good townie. Rayn and HF are N1 medic targets or rayn could be mafia so you just kill the next best guy which would be Koshi.
Sticking point behind a Rayn being mafia theory is that Rayn and Koshi townread eachother pretty hard.
So I see two helpful scenaris
Rayn is mafia and killed Koshi as they have familiarity etc and potentially rayn could read him as blue
Kosih was killed for his reads which would make Sergio or Qatol mafia, of the two i'd prefer Sergio.
I've rambled on a lot here as I try to order my thoughts. So my play is to stay active at deadline then lynch into any AFK trying to ninja post/vote. But i'm keeping eyes on rayn and sergio.
What the heck is this? This looks like you restated post #286, except you don't identify the posts where Koshi hinted he had a role (posts 76, 246, and 252).
Why is HolyFlare a good N1 medic target? Koshi was sumreading HF really hard. In fact, Koshi thought HF was scummy enough to use a vigi shot on him. Shouldn't that mean "do not shoot HF at all costs?"
I'm surprised you group Vivax together with Sergio as "playing the game" but prplhz and Rels as not. I agree Sergio is contributing. The other three seem to have contributed about the same amount to the conversation, unless you count arguing over whether Kaley was a smurf or lightly townreading Kaley without reading.
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I am going to star by answering this:
On September 10 2018 05:23 Sergiovan wrote:
Rayn: in post #235 you state that no one but you and Qatol gave reads on Kaley. I clearly stated that I believed her to be town based on her attitude.
More importantly though in the above mentioned post you say that “there is no way” that Koshi is scum. Go read my cases against him and explain how that is possible. I freely admit I don’t think he is a slam dunk 100% confirmed mafia but I fail to see how he is confirmed town.
what is your read on Kelsier? I can’t decipher it from your post #241.
In that same post why are you so quick to defend me?
If you are going to tell me you seriously read Kaley as town after maybe 40 hours of D1 then you can die in a fire, because what you posted about him early on in D1 was a complete misconstrue of what he was saying (giving reads as you said -- which he definitely wasnt), especially going later onto D1.
My read on Kelsier is coming soon.
I am not defending you. I am pointing out irrational behavior by someone else where the target happens to be you, not to even mention HF asked for my read on Kelsier. Right now i don't think you are mafia but even if i did i would point such behavior out just because accusing someone (even someone i read as mafia) based on non-sensical reasons is just BS and points out towards them being mafia.
idk if i have to still explain my read ok Koshi, if you think tha's relevant then go ahead and ask me to explain but the point on it is he made some posts that i found out almost impossible to come from mafia!Koshi. I also didn't care to focus on explaining my townread who was never under any threat of being lynched over other thigns i did D1.
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I think Kelsier is mafia basically because especially on D2 (and that Serge read D1-N1) is based on stuff that other people did. What Kelsier has done D2 is that he has created a narrative and for that he calls out some people. He makes an assumption why Koshi died, creates scenarios about what that means, and makes "reads" out of it. Except that nothing in those reads is based on what the person he scumreads actually did. Koshi can be right or Koshi can be wrong, but whatever Koshi said or did is not a reason for anyone to be mafia, otherwise Holyflare should have flipped red. I understand the idea behind Kelsier's mindset, but he is using Koshi as a REASON to read certain people as he does, and that's just lazy, cheap, and wrong. Because that's not how this game works.
Other than that, let's go to look at those things, especially Kelsier's last big post. I find out there to be some huge problems:
1) Discounting everything else, why is Kelsier voting for Serge over Vivax right now? After all he has actual reasons to think Vivax is mafia, i mean like almost all his D1 is attacking Vivax and it is 100% certain that 0-posts Vivax doesn't at least look better D2 than he did D1.
2) There is no reasoning on Serge being mafia over Vivax (his top scumread D1) right now that wasn't there already on D1 as per his words, except for the below (which i find not reasonable at all).
3) Kelsier scumreads Serge on D1 for something that was not enough to switch his vote from Vivax. I think that should not be a reason to switch his vote come D2 either since Vivax hasn't made a single post after telling us how he "has a pretty good clue of who is mafia but he needs to wait until D2". Right now he is backing up his read on Serge with "Koshi and Holyflare thought Serge is mafia", which first of all isn't a reasonable reason to call anyone mafia (i talked about this earlier) and also there is the fact that the last posts HF and Koshi made on Serge are:
On September 10 2018 06:28 Koshi wrote:
Sure. But care levels are low.
Good on you to do things.
Not reading the things though.
On September 10 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
Sergio cool now.
Now i cannot be sure if Koshi states here he doesn't think Serge is mafia anymore or not, and we unfortunately cannot ask him, but that doesn't sound like a hard scumread anymore. Holyflare definitely doesn't have a scumread on Serge anymore. All this happened during N1. Even the narrative Kelsier is pushing is factually incorrect here.
As a cherry on top of the cake he says this:
It feels wrong to lynch someone like vivax or sergio who are playing the game and letting people who aren't doing anything slip through. My plan is to hover around at deadline and look for someone trying to dodge the modkill with some meaningless posts and lynch that guy.
What's the point of voting for someone who you aren't even planning on lynching????? The pressure factor is gone right here because Kelsier basically said he is going to do something else by the end of the day.
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TLDR:
- I think logically town!Kelsier should be voting for Vivax over Serge
- I think Kelsier isn't using arguments based on what the person he accuses actually did (or even didn't)
- Even his narrative (above) is based on irrational conclusions or missing some crucial posts
- He is already backing off from lynching the people he apparently wants to lynch onto an inactive lynch.
##vote Kelsier
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Oh yes and for the record the reason why Koshi scumread Serge was "because he is linked with Holyflare and Holyflare is mafia."
soooo....
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I am trying really hard to read the case agains Qatol but i don't understand it so can someone explain it to me like i am 5?
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On September 11 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i want to lynch Kelsier.
Make a good case for it and I'll probably back you. That last post doesn't sit so well with me. I'll look and see if I see anything redeeming in his filter.
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both you and Qatol could just ask for an explanation rather than posting a bunch of insulting stuff which makes you look foolish
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Or you just made an argument and I hadn't refreshed yet. BRB reading.
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On September 11 2018 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:
both you and Qatol could just ask for an explanation rather than posting a bunch of insulting stuff which makes you look foolish
I never meant to insult you and I sincerely apologize if there's anything I said that did insult you. Please let me know what I said so I can do better in the future. I really do try my hardest to attack arguments, not people.
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dear god, did Koshi actually hint being blue?
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Nothing is happening in D2, literally no one is posting.
The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this"
I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote.
However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet.
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Holyflare is always a good medic target. Regardless of how right or wrong he is on D1 he is very good and always a good mafia shot.
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and why is HF a good N1 medic target? because he is the best player on the site and mafia usually tries to kill those people.
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I'm surprised you group Vivax together with Sergio as "playing the game" but prplhz and Rels as not. I agree Sergio is contributing. The other three seem to have contributed about the same amount to the conversation, unless you count arguing over whether Kaley was a smurf or lightly townreading Kaley without reading.
This may be true, I was interacting with vivax and he was in the thread earlier than the other two so in my mind he has been a more active participant.
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On September 11 2018 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Nothing is happening in D2, literally no one is posting.
The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this"
I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote.
However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet.
Okay, my apologies for that comment. You are completely right, I shouldn't have said that. I was just a little surprised because you clearly took quite a bit of time to say almost exactly the same things I did.
On September 11 2018 23:54 KelsierSC wrote:
and why is HF a good N1 medic target? because he is the best player on the site and mafia usually tries to kill those people.
This is also something I wasn't aware of; his first game seems to be ~2 years after I stopped following the site closely. As far as I'm concerned, Ver is still the best mafia player on the site.
I am curious what statements from HolyFlare and Koshi you're relying on to vote Sergio.
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On September 12 2018 00:12 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Nothing is happening in D2, literally no one is posting.
The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this"
I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote.
However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet.
Okay, my apologies for that comment. You are completely right, I shouldn't have said that. I was just a little surprised because you clearly took quite a bit of time to say almost exactly the same things I did. Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 23:54 KelsierSC wrote:
and why is HF a good N1 medic target? because he is the best player on the site and mafia usually tries to kill those people. This is also something I wasn't aware of; his first game seems to be ~2 years after I stopped following the site closely. As far as I'm concerned, Ver is still the best mafia player on the site. I am curious what statements from HolyFlare and Koshi you're relying on to vote Sergio.
There was this comment from Sergio which I mentioned I didn't like.
On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
This felt wrong to me, completely out of proportion to what had happened. A lot of the game hadn't even posted at that time and he lashes out at hf really strongly.
I'm looking back over what Koshi wrote and he didn't make a "sergio is mafia for X" reasons. He did reference a scum read on him several times though. An example comment.
On September 08 2018 21:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 13:49 Sergiovan wrote:
1) pants-on-head-useless 2) scum 3) townie who thinks they are making some slick play. imho Sergio should stick to singing great belgian songs. 1) Why? pants on head because he voted somebody? Why? 2) Why? scum because he voted somebody? Why? 3) Why? townie who thinks they are making some slick play because he voted somebody? Why? Weird. Total weird.
I've looked back over koshi's posts and it's a bit of a drunken mess but his main scum reads are you , sergio and hf. Hf is dead
If I want to find reasons he was killed it's because either you or sergio are scum. Or he was read as a role and I think only rayn is familiar enough or good enough to do that.
The third option is he was a town who was killed to dodge medic saves but that could be done by anyone so it isn't helpful.
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I don't agree that the comments you mentioned are indicators of a role.
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On September 11 2018 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
dear god, did Koshi actually hint being blue?
I was ~90% sure he was from post #76 (though not which role). He didn't seem the type to frequently get lynched day 1, which would be the only other reason I could see for him to get that nervous about getting lynched that early. It's why my strategy with him was to basically tell the thread "look at him later, but he might be suspicious."
Looking back at it, posts 246 and 252 were pretty clear requests for our blessing on how he was using his vigi hit.
I think there's a chance the mafia could have caught on.
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Prplhz could definitely be mafia.
His timing to pop up in the thread end of the night is oddly suspicious
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On September 12 2018 00:27 KelsierSC wrote:
Prplhz could definitely be mafia.
His timing to pop up in the thread end of the night is oddly suspicious
Do you have any arguments about him other than his timing?
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Feels like he pops up to avoid mod action or maybe complete the night kill?
Then posts some one liners as his "impression" of re reading the thread.
Then he attacks you for defending yourself and not discussing night kills.
His final reason to vote you at the start of the day (maybe to avoid mod kill for not voting) is that koshi and hf scum read you. Which isn't a bad reason but feels really convenient.
So to answer your question. No I don't have a particularly good reason but he's an inactive and he feels bad so get him outta here.
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I could lynch anyone apart from you and rayn.
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I'm here now.
Before I start getting back to posting about people in particular and who I think is mafia and not: I got a roleblock notification.
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On September 12 2018 00:40 Vivax wrote:
I'm here now.
Before I start getting back to posting about people in particular and who I think is mafia and not: I got a roleblock notification.
oh nice
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I already think we should lynch Damdred for the empty promise. You aren't here on D1? Okay. But you are here on D2 and then you deliver an empty promise? That's not ok. You should usually be capable of doing at least a tiny little bit more as town. And I know you tend to give yourself away as mafia with posts that contain a lot of things that superficially look good and in depth turn out to be extremely inconsistent with each other. Maybe you know that, maybe you avoid posting for that reason.
Either way, as town you usually have the drive to put out at least a minimum of thoughts when you say you would. So for me, you wander right into scum pile with the little I have read and think you should be today's lynch.
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Then I have a gripe with Sergio I have been carrying with me around for a while: You said it would be concerning for me to have townleaned Kaley if he turned out to be town. I don't recall you going back to this or using it to further your read on me, in a good or a bad way. I would like you to do that next.
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On September 12 2018 00:23 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 00:12 Qatol wrote:On September 11 2018 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Nothing is happening in D2, literally no one is posting.
The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this"
I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote.
However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet.
Okay, my apologies for that comment. You are completely right, I shouldn't have said that. I was just a little surprised because you clearly took quite a bit of time to say almost exactly the same things I did. On September 11 2018 23:54 KelsierSC wrote:
and why is HF a good N1 medic target? because he is the best player on the site and mafia usually tries to kill those people. This is also something I wasn't aware of; his first game seems to be ~2 years after I stopped following the site closely. As far as I'm concerned, Ver is still the best mafia player on the site. I am curious what statements from HolyFlare and Koshi you're relying on to vote Sergio. There was this comment from Sergio which I mentioned I didn't like. Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
This felt wrong to me, completely out of proportion to what had happened. A lot of the game hadn't even posted at that time and he lashes out at hf really strongly. I'm looking back over what Koshi wrote and he didn't make a "sergio is mafia for X" reasons. He did reference a scum read on him several times though. An example comment. Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 21:26 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 13:49 Sergiovan wrote:
1) pants-on-head-useless 2) scum 3) townie who thinks they are making some slick play. imho Sergio should stick to singing great belgian songs. 1) Why? pants on head because he voted somebody? Why? 2) Why? scum because he voted somebody? Why? 3) Why? townie who thinks they are making some slick play because he voted somebody? Why? Weird. Total weird. I've looked back over koshi's posts and it's a bit of a drunken mess but his main scum reads are you , sergio and hf. Hf is dead If I want to find reasons he was killed it's because either you or sergio are scum. Or he was read as a role and I think only rayn is familiar enough or good enough to do that. The third option is he was a town who was killed to dodge medic saves but that could be done by anyone so it isn't helpful.
I don't see the post you're pointing to as being a scumread, more like calling Sergio out for not explaining his actions better. Koshi did push Sergio, but only as a conditional (i.e., if Holyflare then Sergiovan). Wouldn't that mean the mafia has every reason to leave Koshi alive and let him push holyflare for lynch day 2? I am not defending Sergio by any means, but I like arguments that make sense to me and this one doesn't.
You said you are looking for reasons Koshi was killed and the strongest reason you can think of is because either Sergio or I am scum. You pointed out that he went after Sergio and myself. You mentioned HolyFlare is the best mafia player on the site. He was pushing me harder than anyone else. Further, Holyflare's very last post said this:
On September 10 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
Sergio cool now.
Why aren't you pushing me? Why Sergio?
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Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).
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On September 12 2018 00:49 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 00:23 KelsierSC wrote:On September 12 2018 00:12 Qatol wrote:On September 11 2018 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Nothing is happening in D2, literally no one is posting.
The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this"
I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote.
However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet.
Okay, my apologies for that comment. You are completely right, I shouldn't have said that. I was just a little surprised because you clearly took quite a bit of time to say almost exactly the same things I did. On September 11 2018 23:54 KelsierSC wrote:
and why is HF a good N1 medic target? because he is the best player on the site and mafia usually tries to kill those people. This is also something I wasn't aware of; his first game seems to be ~2 years after I stopped following the site closely. As far as I'm concerned, Ver is still the best mafia player on the site. I am curious what statements from HolyFlare and Koshi you're relying on to vote Sergio. There was this comment from Sergio which I mentioned I didn't like. On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
This felt wrong to me, completely out of proportion to what had happened. A lot of the game hadn't even posted at that time and he lashes out at hf really strongly. I'm looking back over what Koshi wrote and he didn't make a "sergio is mafia for X" reasons. He did reference a scum read on him several times though. An example comment. On September 08 2018 21:26 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 13:49 Sergiovan wrote:
1) pants-on-head-useless 2) scum 3) townie who thinks they are making some slick play. imho Sergio should stick to singing great belgian songs. 1) Why? pants on head because he voted somebody? Why? 2) Why? scum because he voted somebody? Why? 3) Why? townie who thinks they are making some slick play because he voted somebody? Why? Weird. Total weird. I've looked back over koshi's posts and it's a bit of a drunken mess but his main scum reads are you , sergio and hf. Hf is dead If I want to find reasons he was killed it's because either you or sergio are scum. Or he was read as a role and I think only rayn is familiar enough or good enough to do that. The third option is he was a town who was killed to dodge medic saves but that could be done by anyone so it isn't helpful. I don't see the post you're pointing to as being a scumread, more like calling Sergio out for not explaining his actions better. Koshi did push Sergio, but only as a conditional (i.e., if Holyflare then Sergiovan). Wouldn't that mean the mafia has every reason to leave Koshi alive and let him push holyflare for lynch day 2? I am not defending Sergio by any means, but I like arguments that make sense to me and this one doesn't. You said you are looking for reasons Koshi was killed and the strongest reason you can think of is because either Sergio or I am scum. You pointed out that he went after Sergio and myself. You mentioned HolyFlare is the best mafia player on the site. He was pushing me harder than anyone else. Further, Holyflare's very last post said this: Why aren't you pushing me? Why Sergio?
Because I had my own reason to scumread Sergio aswell as the night kill. My impression is that Koshi had Sergio as a scumread. It being a convoluted reason isn't relevant to my logic.
Honestly you do bring up a good point that I could push you aswell , You are a good fit for mafia based on the night kills. but you seem to be playing the game at the moment and we don't have enough of that.
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On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).
Going to take my scum read off vivax.
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I'd like to see more from Rels apart from the lazy kaley vote. Cause I need it to make up my mind about the third mafia.
On September 09 2018 04:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. Plus, we're getting posts like this: On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. During those 30 minutes I read the game. Sergio's angryness makes no sense as scum in my opinion. Kaley has chosen to play in a way that makes her very hard to read. Fair enough. But when pushed for it, she doubled down and did it more strongly. I can see this strategy coming more from scum (kinda like "they wouldn't believe scum would continue roleplaying in my position"). Could also come from stubborn town but for now she's the more likely to flip scum.
The bolded is wifom. It's something you can't really disagree with and superficially seems like a good reason, but where do you draw the line in what kaley was thinking? Do I try to appease the townies or do I look like I don't give a damn? Both seem like viable strategies to me as long as you wrap them up in the right way.
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Shit man reading through all this. Big part of me wants to just sheep HF and Koshi into lynching Qatol.
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rayn, I haven't forgotten you. I think you overstate your case a little bit, but you have a couple of good points.
You've played enough games to know that people will sometimes vote for the person that was being accused by the night kill target. I can absolutely see a townie voting for Sergio based on Koshi's posts (even though I think Koshi's argument has fallen apart). I don't think he ever said he was voting Sergio based on HF's reads (though why isn't he looking at HF's reads more closely if he thinks HF is a better player than Koshi? just because of the night kill?)
Easily your strongest point is this:
As a cherry on top of the cake he says this: Show nested quote +It feels wrong to lynch someone like vivax or sergio who are playing the game and letting people who aren't doing anything slip through. My plan is to hover around at deadline and look for someone trying to dodge the modkill with some meaningless posts and lynch that guy. What's the point of voting for someone who you aren't even planning on lynching????? The pressure factor is gone right here because Kelsier basically said he is going to do something else by the end of the day.
I absolutely agree on this point and would like Kelsier to explain the logic behind this point. At the end of the day, everyone in this game signed up to play. If they are at all interested in playing more in the future, why wouldn't they try to dodge a modkill? This looks to me like a push to, at best (assuming proportional inactives between the mafia and town), to take a shot in the dark prayer, hoping to hit mafia.
I would like to see Kelsier respond to some of these points before I vote him though.
On a related point, I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks that lynching an inactive at this point is the best policy. We have no way to identify whether they are town or mafia whatsoever, except by process of elimination. Plus we know that at least someone from the mafia is participating in the game (or there wouldn't have been a night kill). The odds are simply not behind a blind shot in the dark.
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Because I can see the scenario where Koshi is lynched either for role because he scum reads qatol and it makes hf/sergio look bad in the process. But then HF dies unexpectedly and now Qatol is kind of fucked.
If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is.
##Vote: Qatol
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On September 12 2018 01:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oh shit
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On September 12 2018 01:13 Qatol wrote:rayn, I haven't forgotten you. I think you overstate your case a little bit, but you have a couple of good points. You've played enough games to know that people will sometimes vote for the person that was being accused by the night kill target. I can absolutely see a townie voting for Sergio based on Koshi's posts (even though I think Koshi's argument has fallen apart). I don't think he ever said he was voting Sergio based on HF's reads (though why isn't he looking at HF's reads more closely if he thinks HF is a better player than Koshi? just because of the night kill?) Easily your strongest point is this: Show nested quote +As a cherry on top of the cake he says this: It feels wrong to lynch someone like vivax or sergio who are playing the game and letting people who aren't doing anything slip through. My plan is to hover around at deadline and look for someone trying to dodge the modkill with some meaningless posts and lynch that guy. What's the point of voting for someone who you aren't even planning on lynching????? The pressure factor is gone right here because Kelsier basically said he is going to do something else by the end of the day. I absolutely agree on this point and would like Kelsier to explain the logic behind this point. At the end of the day, everyone in this game signed up to play. If they are at all interested in playing more in the future, why wouldn't they try to dodge a modkill? This looks to me like a push to, at best (assuming proportional inactives between the mafia and town), to take a shot in the dark prayer, hoping to hit mafia. I would like to see Kelsier respond to some of these points before I vote him though. On a related point, I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks that lynching an inactive at this point is the best policy. We have no way to identify whether they are town or mafia whatsoever, except by process of elimination. Plus we know that at least someone from the mafia is participating in the game (or there wouldn't have been a night kill). The odds are simply not behind a blind shot in the dark.
it's not a strong point and I already explained it.
I voted sergio at the start of the day when I had my own feelings and some vote logic. However as the day has progressed circumstances changed and I decided to change my vote.
So I voted someone I was planning on lynching and unvoted when I wasn't. If rayn had bothered to ask i'd have explained it then.
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Ok I think the early Kaley votes were stupid, I'd say people who went after Koshi D1 look ok since scum don't usually like to shoot into someone they're trying to mislynch. I really really want to feel good about Qatol but its been so long since I've seen him play or read any games with him.. Depending on how much time I have to read today before the cycle ends I may end up picking a Koshi read and sheeping that.
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Also prplhz right now reads almost exactly like a game where I tunneled him and he flipped town.
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Ok I think the early Kaley votes were stupid, I'd say people who went after Koshi D1 look ok since scum don't usually like to shoot into someone they're trying to mislynch. I really really want to feel good about Qatol but its been so long since I've seen him play or read any games with him.. Depending on how much time I have to read today before the cycle ends I may end up picking a Koshi read and sheeping that.
You think the votes on the person who has flipped town were incorrect?
wow you are some sort of mafia wizard.
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Argh, all of that took too long and I have to go. I'll be back in a few hours. While I was posting that, it looks like Vivax started posting. Vivax, please respond to post #250.
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On September 12 2018 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 01:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Ok I think the early Kaley votes were stupid, I'd say people who went after Koshi D1 look ok since scum don't usually like to shoot into someone they're trying to mislynch. I really really want to feel good about Qatol but its been so long since I've seen him play or read any games with him.. Depending on how much time I have to read today before the cycle ends I may end up picking a Koshi read and sheeping that. You think the votes on the person who has flipped town were incorrect? wow you are some sort of mafia wizard.
Oh lol I must have missed the night post when I was skimming. Give me one second, I have an idea.
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I always like to go looking at the middle of the pack on a townie mislynch since imo that's where scum like to hide. Qatol started the lynch and I honestly am still not sure what to make of him yet so I'm gonna ignore his participation for now. Rayn was next, Koshi thought he was town and he's also a little early in the train to be a lurking scum. Then HF but he's flipped town. That brings us to our scum of the day aka Rels. The 4th vote on a lynch in a game this size is a great place for scum to hide so let's take a look at his filter.
Rels fits the profile for lurking scum for several reasons. Firstly he's active enough to avoid people hunting for inactives, secondly, he has a habit of calling lots of people town but in a very noncommittal manner. The biggest example of this is how he finds all three of Koshi, Sergio, and Rayn town:
On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley
This sticks out since all three were fighting with each other. Usually townies will get a gut feel that one guy is right shares that opinion but Rels is content to say "well they're all probably town." At the end of this post he also, without any real explanation, announces his intent to kill Kaley. It's not for another five hours until we get some reasoning and it's simply this:
On September 09 2018 04:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. Plus, we're getting posts like this: On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. During those 30 minutes I read the game. Sergio's angryness makes no sense as scum in my opinion. Kaley has chosen to play in a way that makes her very hard to read. Fair enough. But when pushed for it, she doubled down and did it more strongly. I can see this strategy coming more from scum (kinda like "they wouldn't believe scum would continue roleplaying in my position"). Could also come from stubborn town but for now she's the more likely to flip scum.
His reasoning for lynching Kaley is that he/she was hard to read? That's just lazy town play, not scumhunting. Killing someone for roleplaying is a super low percentage policy lynch move which is both apathetic and ineffective as it gives no real information. But it sure is an easy position for a scum to hop on and defend bc they wanted to "punish poor town play." But folks our goal is to catch mafia, not punish bad townplay.
I'm also really not a fan of Rels' final post:
On September 09 2018 04:28 Rels wrote:
rayn not interacting with me feels weird
Why is it weird Rels? I fucking hate when players do this 'soft pressure' bullshit or whatever. Why is it weird? What were you expecting? Does this mean rayn is scum? All these questions would help substantiate this post if Rels was town, instead it feels like scum trying to signpost in case the town turns on rayn and Rels want credibility to jump on the bandwagon.
Rels hasn't been active in three days and while I obviously am not someone who should be talking about activity (Sorry Kita!), it is still worth noting that mafia don't need a thread presence right now since town has been fairly good at killing themselves. Rels took a safe vote on a lynch gathering steam for incredibly weak reasons, does not provide concrete opinions on conflicts within the thread, instead preferring to hand wave them away as all likely town, and has made little marker posts which I usually associate with scum.
Gonna go vote now ##Vote: Rels
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MZ feels town but I think he's turned a blind eye to Damdred.
MZ reconsider for a moment. What are the odds that Rels is lazy townie vs scum?
What are the odds that Damdred is lazy townie? As townie at least you should have a partial interest into solving the game, so why does Rels at least show a bit of that (even though his arguments leave to wish for) contrary to Damdred while being more likely mafia in your eyes? One does a bit of stuff that looks like it can come from mafia but the other does something (pretend to be active and promise more activity) and then does nothing which is more likely to be mafia behaviour in my opinion.
And Qatol my vote on RoL was a throwaway vote cause I didn't feel like voting kaley and pushing you wouldn't have felt right considering you were being an active player and also I wasn't feeling confident about you being mafia beyond the little I had expressed. I was unwilling to flesh out a scumread on you up until this day. Why RoL out of everyone? Pretty much for what prplhz said about him.
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The case for Vivax
In this case I will show that Vivax has shown out of game knowledge of alignments that could only come from scum.
In post #89 Vivax explains a town read on Kaley that comes mostly “from the gut” while also trying to give real reasoning for it I.e. that Kaley is attacking Rayn.
But in post #119 Vivax says that he isn’t sure if Kaley is genuinely pushing Rayn and that he hasn’t read her full post.
Therefore the alignment read that Vivax had on Kaley didn’t come from an actual read but was instead manufactured by Vivax
## Vote: Vivax
Somewhat tangentially I also believe that, assuming I’m right and Vivax is scum, the other two scum will be very in active as his claim of being role blocked is high reward/high risk as any counter claim would instantly put Vivax on the chopping block while a lack of one could lead towards a ‘confirmed town’ status for Vivax.
Assuming a Scum!Vivax I believe the d3 lynch should be RoL since he is an inactive and Vivax put an inexplicable d1 vote on him.
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elsier: your vote is bad and you should feel bad.
This vote (#285) strikes me as a pressure vote rather than scum trying to start a d2 mislynch though, there are other easier targets for an early d2 push given that the two flipped townies both town read me right before they flipped. I think scum would be more aware of that and your follow up posts on the vote suggest an attempt at pressuring me to read my alignment rather than a true attempt to get a mislynch.
Kelsier stays in the town column for me, I especially like his post #304 it lays out a very townie thought process. His mindset makes sense coming from town and in a game with this few active players I am strongly opposed to a lynch on one then then who is making good posts. Also, although it isn’t a great heuristic, Kelsier has a three page filter in a 16 page game which indicates to me that he is involved in the day to day going’s on in the thread.
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Ok so we have about 19 different people who have votes on them, Rels, damdred,vivax, me,qatol, sergio ...anyone else?
Just consolidate votes because right now mafia just vote on whichever rando target isnt them and this lynch is a crap shoot.
HF and Koshi both had Qatol as scum, looking at the night kills koshi is a great one for qatol to make but he didnt count on hf being shot. it's a genuinely solid lynch and should be a good one.
The AFK lynch is a crap shoot and any votes there are bad and make you instantly scummy, any "reason" for rels or damdred or RoL or prpl at this point is sort shitty.
You can pick another person if you legitimately make a good case on them, fuck you can think rayn is right and vote me I wont give a shit just dont vote on an AFK and peace out.
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Qatol: as to post #282 you could be right. I’ve re-read your post with the double negatives (#247) a couple of times and what I was reading into it actually could easily be you mis-writing what you meant or me mis-reading it.
I think what you meant was that no pushback = town!kaley which is a fine argument to make but your post still gives me the heebie-jeebies and I just can’t explain why.
Qatol’s post #286 shows that he successfully read Koshi as blue d1. Given that Koshi was pushing two townies, HF and myself, as red for most of n1 I can’t think of another reason for scum to kill Koshi besides his role. (I can’t expect any of you to share my read of this necessarily at this point since I haven’t flipped but you’ll have to trust me on this or return to it after I flip).
Based on my gut feelings and this potential scum slip Qatol is second priority for the lynch. Though his push on Vivax has me going back and forth in my head since I happen to think Vivax is scummier than Qatol and I do not think they are scum together since I believe that Vivax’s RB claim is too high risk for a scum team with multiple active members in this town.
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On September 12 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote:
I already think we should lynch Damdred for the empty promise. You aren't here on D1? Okay. But you are here on D2 and then you deliver an empty promise? That's not ok. You should usually be capable of doing at least a tiny little bit more as town. And I know you tend to give yourself away as mafia with posts that contain a lot of things that superficially look good and in depth turn out to be extremely inconsistent with each other. Maybe you know that, maybe you avoid posting for that reason.
Either way, as town you usually have the drive to put out at least a minimum of thoughts when you say you would. So for me, you wander right into scum pile with the little I have read and think you should be today's lynch.
##Vote Damdred
I like you and I think Damdred is more likely to get lynched today.
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##Vote Damdred
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Rayn: why are you over-reacting so much in your response to me? I did read Kaley as town and, whether it was for good reasons or not, I was right. Kaley clearly (to me) had a carefree mindset which is something I look for to make d1 town reads.
Please provide the reasoning you had for reading Koshi as town, I am still interested in hearing your thoughts.
As to Kelsier’s push on me rather than Vivax that you reference in #308 I think it’s clearly a pressure vote rather than a lynch vote. He isn’t pushing my lynch at all, he is discussing it in such a way that appears to be attempting to illicit a reaction from me. Considering his actions from a townie perspective and they follow an internal logic, considering his actions from a scum perspective and they don’t.
I don’t like this post by Rayn or his d2 push on Kelsier. I don’t think Rayn is good lynch today but if he survives into d3 I’ll need to reconsider.
Again though if Vivax is scum I have a hard time seeing Rayn as his partner.
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Damdred: I would be content with a Damdred lynch. He appeared in the thread promised to be useful and then hasn’t reappeared.
On his own he is my third in line for the lynch.
Though the Prplhz sheep of Vivax makes me uncomfortable I still think Damdred looks scummy on his own.
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On September 12 2018 04:29 Sergiovan wrote:
Damdred: I would be content with a Damdred lynch. He appeared in the thread promised to be useful and then hasn’t reappeared.
On his own he is my third in line for the lynch.
Though the Prplhz sheep of Vivax makes me uncomfortable I still think Damdred looks scummy on his own.
So Vivax is voting for Damdred and you are voting for Vivax.
However, you would be comfortable with a Damdred. That is if it weren't for the fact that now I am voting for him.
Shouldn't the vote of your biggest scum read deter you more than my vote?
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EBWOP However, you would be comfortable with a Damdred lynch.
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Sorry I guess that wasn’t clear, I attached those two thoughts partaxically.
Damdred is scummy on his own. He is third in line for lynch in my mind.
I also didn’t like how you sheeped Vivax.
Those are unrelated thoughts. You’ll note that I’m not pushing a Damdred lynch because he isn’t my top scum read.
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Everyone please respond to my Vivax case.
I’ll be gone for about an hour and then I’ll only have about fifteen minutes before I have to head back to work.
I need to hear from you all (especially Prplhz and Kelsier who I know are in the thread right now)
We need to consolidate down to two targets for this lynch to force scum to actually make an impactful vote
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On September 12 2018 01:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Because I can see the scenario where Koshi is lynched either for role because he scum reads qatol and it makes hf/sergio look bad in the process. But then HF dies unexpectedly and now Qatol is kind of fucked.
If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is.
##Vote: Qatol
As odd as it is to say considering you wound up voting for me, thank you. This is the post I was looking for, though I disagree with the result (as I still don't think HF's argument made any sense and I still don't think Koshi found me scummy when he died). I'm taking this as a strong statement of "fed up townie who doesn't know what to think after defending himself for 2 pages."
On September 12 2018 04:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Ok so we have about 19 different people who have votes on them, Rels, damdred,vivax, me,qatol, sergio ...anyone else?
Just consolidate votes because right now mafia just vote on whichever rando target isnt them and this lynch is a crap shoot.
HF and Koshi both had Qatol as scum, looking at the night kills koshi is a great one for qatol to make but he didnt count on hf being shot. it's a genuinely solid lynch and should be a good one.
The AFK lynch is a crap shoot and any votes there are bad and make you instantly scummy, any "reason" for rels or damdred or RoL or prpl at this point is sort shitty.
You can pick another person if you legitimately make a good case on them, fuck you can think rayn is right and vote me I wont give a shit just dont vote on an AFK and peace out.
This is also true, and was exactly what I was thinking getting to this point. 1-2 votes on a bunch of different people is ridiculously easy for the mafia to manipulate. As I posted earlier, lynching an inactive is just silly.
That includes Damdred. If he doesn't post by this time day 3, I'm fine with a lynch on him. Until then, we have no idea why he didn't come back and his disappearance says nothing to us about whether or not he's mafia.
Of the people with votes right now, I would most prefer a lynch of Vivax. I could live with a Rels lynch. I'm also not comfortable with how heavily prplhz has been defending/sheeping Vivax all game (post 266, post 291, post 355). He said:
On September 11 2018 05:20 prplhz wrote:
Generally I find some people who
1) Are good at finding scum
2) Are town
And then I sheep them. That's really how I do. I rarely do a lot of analysis because I'm really not very good at it. But I wrote a few points on you that I myself find to be something I would expect more from scum.
So prplhz decided to latch onto Vivax? What exactly makes you (prplhz) think Vivax is town? What makes you think he's good at finding scum?
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On September 12 2018 04:46 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz: how do you feel about Meapak’s entrance into the thread?
I like his town read on me. Bonus points.
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On September 12 2018 04:55 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 01:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Because I can see the scenario where Koshi is lynched either for role because he scum reads qatol and it makes hf/sergio look bad in the process. But then HF dies unexpectedly and now Qatol is kind of fucked.
If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is.
##Vote: Qatol As odd as it is to say considering you wound up voting for me, thank you. This is the post I was looking for, though I disagree with the result (as I still don't think HF's argument made any sense and I still don't think Koshi found me scummy when he died). I'm taking this as a strong statement of "fed up townie who doesn't know what to think after defending himself for 2 pages." Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 04:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Ok so we have about 19 different people who have votes on them, Rels, damdred,vivax, me,qatol, sergio ...anyone else?
Just consolidate votes because right now mafia just vote on whichever rando target isnt them and this lynch is a crap shoot.
HF and Koshi both had Qatol as scum, looking at the night kills koshi is a great one for qatol to make but he didnt count on hf being shot. it's a genuinely solid lynch and should be a good one.
The AFK lynch is a crap shoot and any votes there are bad and make you instantly scummy, any "reason" for rels or damdred or RoL or prpl at this point is sort shitty.
You can pick another person if you legitimately make a good case on them, fuck you can think rayn is right and vote me I wont give a shit just dont vote on an AFK and peace out. This is also true, and was exactly what I was thinking getting to this point. 1-2 votes on a bunch of different people is ridiculously easy for the mafia to manipulate. As I posted earlier, lynching an inactive is just silly. That includes Damdred. If he doesn't post by this time day 3, I'm fine with a lynch on him. Until then, we have no idea why he didn't come back and his disappearance says nothing to us about whether or not he's mafia. Of the people with votes right now, I would most prefer a lynch of Vivax. I could live with a Rels lynch. I'm also not comfortable with how heavily prplhz has been defending/sheeping Vivax all game (post 266, post 291, post 355). He said: Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 05:20 prplhz wrote:
Generally I find some people who
1) Are good at finding scum
2) Are town
And then I sheep them. That's really how I do. I rarely do a lot of analysis because I'm really not very good at it. But I wrote a few points on you that I myself find to be something I would expect more from scum. So prplhz decided to latch onto Vivax? What exactly makes you (prplhz) think Vivax is town? What makes you think he's good at finding scum?
I already thought he was town yesterday for pushing against the Kaley lynch with some decent arguments. I don't know if he's great at finding scum, I agree with him on Damdred and I find it more likely we'll lynch Damdred over you today.
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Like, his thoughts on Damdred's empty promise are like my own. I also think that Damdred is usually lazy on D1 but shows up and interacts and does something on D2.
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On September 12 2018 04:20 Sergiovan wrote:
Qatol: as to post #282 you could be right. I’ve re-read your post with the double negatives (#247) a couple of times and what I was reading into it actually could easily be you mis-writing what you meant or me mis-reading it.
I think what you meant was that no pushback = town!kaley which is a fine argument to make but your post still gives me the heebie-jeebies and I just can’t explain why.
Qatol’s post #286 shows that he successfully read Koshi as blue d1. Given that Koshi was pushing two townies, HF and myself, as red for most of n1 I can’t think of another reason for scum to kill Koshi besides his role. (I can’t expect any of you to share my read of this necessarily at this point since I haven’t flipped but you’ll have to trust me on this or return to it after I flip).
Based on my gut feelings and this potential scum slip Qatol is second priority for the lynch. Though his push on Vivax has me going back and forth in my head since I happen to think Vivax is scummier than Qatol and I do not think they are scum together since I believe that Vivax’s RB claim is too high risk for a scum team with multiple active members in this town.
You are correct in what I meant. I probably worded it poorly. My apologies.
Post #286 wasn't a slip. I stated it again in post #323. He was unnaturally nervous in post #76, and I caught it. And, although I didn't catch it at the time, there isn't really another reason why he would be urgently gathering reads on HF in the middle of the night while drunk (posts #248 and #252) other than vigilante or detective, with vigilante being most likely. He could have waited until he was sober otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia caught it too.
As far as your case on Vivax goes:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 04:09 Sergiovan wrote:
The case for Vivax
In this case I will show that Vivax has shown out of game knowledge of alignments that could only come from scum.
In post #89 Vivax explains a town read on Kaley that comes mostly “from the gut” while also trying to give real reasoning for it I.e. that Kaley is attacking Rayn.
But in post #119 Vivax says that he isn’t sure if Kaley is genuinely pushing Rayn and that he hasn’t read her full post.
Therefore the alignment read that Vivax had on Kaley didn’t come from an actual read but was instead manufactured by Vivax
## Vote: Vivax
Somewhat tangentially I also believe that, assuming I’m right and Vivax is scum, the other two scum will be very in active as his claim of being role blocked is high reward/high risk as any counter claim would instantly put Vivax on the chopping block while a lack of one could lead towards a ‘confirmed town’ status for Vivax.
Assuming a Scum!Vivax I believe the d3 lynch should be RoL since he is an inactive and Vivax put an inexplicable d1 vote on him.
Your primary argument is one that was made previously, including by you in post #147. I think it makes sense and it should make sense.
However, I disagree that both other two scum have to be inactive. I don't know how new you are to TL mafia, but it's pretty much always been the case that mafia can communicate privately. In this game, in the sample PMs:
On August 20 2018 00:58 kitaman27 wrote:Sample PMs:Show nested quote +Mafia Roleblocker
The mafia team is:
A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
Mafia has a quicktopic in which they can communicate. That's why Vivax's roleblock claim does not and should not move the needle unless he dies and flips town (which I don't think will happen). If there is a roleblocker at all (also not guaranteed), the mafia could just not use it and have Vivax claim it was placed on him.
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On September 12 2018 05:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 04:55 Qatol wrote:On September 12 2018 01:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Because I can see the scenario where Koshi is lynched either for role because he scum reads qatol and it makes hf/sergio look bad in the process. But then HF dies unexpectedly and now Qatol is kind of fucked.
If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is.
##Vote: Qatol As odd as it is to say considering you wound up voting for me, thank you. This is the post I was looking for, though I disagree with the result (as I still don't think HF's argument made any sense and I still don't think Koshi found me scummy when he died). I'm taking this as a strong statement of "fed up townie who doesn't know what to think after defending himself for 2 pages." On September 12 2018 04:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Ok so we have about 19 different people who have votes on them, Rels, damdred,vivax, me,qatol, sergio ...anyone else?
Just consolidate votes because right now mafia just vote on whichever rando target isnt them and this lynch is a crap shoot.
HF and Koshi both had Qatol as scum, looking at the night kills koshi is a great one for qatol to make but he didnt count on hf being shot. it's a genuinely solid lynch and should be a good one.
The AFK lynch is a crap shoot and any votes there are bad and make you instantly scummy, any "reason" for rels or damdred or RoL or prpl at this point is sort shitty.
You can pick another person if you legitimately make a good case on them, fuck you can think rayn is right and vote me I wont give a shit just dont vote on an AFK and peace out. This is also true, and was exactly what I was thinking getting to this point. 1-2 votes on a bunch of different people is ridiculously easy for the mafia to manipulate. As I posted earlier, lynching an inactive is just silly. That includes Damdred. If he doesn't post by this time day 3, I'm fine with a lynch on him. Until then, we have no idea why he didn't come back and his disappearance says nothing to us about whether or not he's mafia. Of the people with votes right now, I would most prefer a lynch of Vivax. I could live with a Rels lynch. I'm also not comfortable with how heavily prplhz has been defending/sheeping Vivax all game (post 266, post 291, post 355). He said: On September 11 2018 05:20 prplhz wrote:
Generally I find some people who
1) Are good at finding scum
2) Are town
And then I sheep them. That's really how I do. I rarely do a lot of analysis because I'm really not very good at it. But I wrote a few points on you that I myself find to be something I would expect more from scum. So prplhz decided to latch onto Vivax? What exactly makes you (prplhz) think Vivax is town? What makes you think he's good at finding scum? I already thought he was town yesterday for pushing against the Kaley lynch with some decent arguments. I don't know if he's great at finding scum, I agree with him on Damdred and I find it more likely we'll lynch Damdred over you today.
Which push against the Kaley lynch? Which arguments? The ones he later admitted were part of "a crappy feels-read?"
Or maybe this one?
On September 09 2018 01:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 23:06 Rels wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. why ? Yea it isn't a smurf after reading through the profile. And it sure as hell isn't a she. I was sure it was a new acc just for this game, meh. I was wrong. But the rapping thing isn't something exclusive to this game. It's just his hobby. I don't want to vote him though. There's too many shitty votes on kaley floating about, some policy like rayn, some for weird analysis of the rap like from Qatol. And you for no reason.
If that's the case, why are you pushing for what is effectively a policy lynch on damdred now? Note that Vivax called rayn's policy vote a "shitty vote" in the post I quoted.
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On September 12 2018 05:40 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 05:08 prplhz wrote:On September 12 2018 04:55 Qatol wrote:On September 12 2018 01:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Because I can see the scenario where Koshi is lynched either for role because he scum reads qatol and it makes hf/sergio look bad in the process. But then HF dies unexpectedly and now Qatol is kind of fucked.
If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is.
##Vote: Qatol As odd as it is to say considering you wound up voting for me, thank you. This is the post I was looking for, though I disagree with the result (as I still don't think HF's argument made any sense and I still don't think Koshi found me scummy when he died). I'm taking this as a strong statement of "fed up townie who doesn't know what to think after defending himself for 2 pages." On September 12 2018 04:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Ok so we have about 19 different people who have votes on them, Rels, damdred,vivax, me,qatol, sergio ...anyone else?
Just consolidate votes because right now mafia just vote on whichever rando target isnt them and this lynch is a crap shoot.
HF and Koshi both had Qatol as scum, looking at the night kills koshi is a great one for qatol to make but he didnt count on hf being shot. it's a genuinely solid lynch and should be a good one.
The AFK lynch is a crap shoot and any votes there are bad and make you instantly scummy, any "reason" for rels or damdred or RoL or prpl at this point is sort shitty.
You can pick another person if you legitimately make a good case on them, fuck you can think rayn is right and vote me I wont give a shit just dont vote on an AFK and peace out. This is also true, and was exactly what I was thinking getting to this point. 1-2 votes on a bunch of different people is ridiculously easy for the mafia to manipulate. As I posted earlier, lynching an inactive is just silly. That includes Damdred. If he doesn't post by this time day 3, I'm fine with a lynch on him. Until then, we have no idea why he didn't come back and his disappearance says nothing to us about whether or not he's mafia. Of the people with votes right now, I would most prefer a lynch of Vivax. I could live with a Rels lynch. I'm also not comfortable with how heavily prplhz has been defending/sheeping Vivax all game (post 266, post 291, post 355). He said: On September 11 2018 05:20 prplhz wrote:
Generally I find some people who
1) Are good at finding scum
2) Are town
And then I sheep them. That's really how I do. I rarely do a lot of analysis because I'm really not very good at it. But I wrote a few points on you that I myself find to be something I would expect more from scum. So prplhz decided to latch onto Vivax? What exactly makes you (prplhz) think Vivax is town? What makes you think he's good at finding scum? I already thought he was town yesterday for pushing against the Kaley lynch with some decent arguments. I don't know if he's great at finding scum, I agree with him on Damdred and I find it more likely we'll lynch Damdred over you today. Which push against the Kaley lynch? Which arguments? The ones he later admitted were part of "a crappy feels-read?" Or maybe this one? Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 01:16 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 23:06 Rels wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. why ? Yea it isn't a smurf after reading through the profile. And it sure as hell isn't a she. I was sure it was a new acc just for this game, meh. I was wrong. But the rapping thing isn't something exclusive to this game. It's just his hobby. I don't want to vote him though. There's too many shitty votes on kaley floating about, some policy like rayn, some for weird analysis of the rap like from Qatol. And you for no reason. If that's the case, why are you pushing for what is effectively a policy lynch on damdred now? Note that Vivax called rayn's policy vote a "shitty vote" in the post I quoted.
Yes, that one.
I don't really know if I get your policy lynch point, but I don't think Damdred is a policy lynch.
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So Vivax is basically confirmed town unless the roleblock went on Holyflare.
Whats up Serge? Youre voting for confirmed town.
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Wait no.. not necessarily.
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On September 12 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Vivax is basically confirmed town unless the roleblock went on Holyflare.
Whats up Serge? Youre voting for confirmed town.
Or unless there's no roleblocker. Or unless the roleblocker decided not to roleblock (might be an inactive? might be a strategy by the mafia?)
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On September 12 2018 05:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 05:40 Qatol wrote:On September 12 2018 05:08 prplhz wrote:On September 12 2018 04:55 Qatol wrote:On September 12 2018 01:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Because I can see the scenario where Koshi is lynched either for role because he scum reads qatol and it makes hf/sergio look bad in the process. But then HF dies unexpectedly and now Qatol is kind of fucked.
If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is.
##Vote: Qatol As odd as it is to say considering you wound up voting for me, thank you. This is the post I was looking for, though I disagree with the result (as I still don't think HF's argument made any sense and I still don't think Koshi found me scummy when he died). I'm taking this as a strong statement of "fed up townie who doesn't know what to think after defending himself for 2 pages." On September 12 2018 04:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Ok so we have about 19 different people who have votes on them, Rels, damdred,vivax, me,qatol, sergio ...anyone else?
Just consolidate votes because right now mafia just vote on whichever rando target isnt them and this lynch is a crap shoot.
HF and Koshi both had Qatol as scum, looking at the night kills koshi is a great one for qatol to make but he didnt count on hf being shot. it's a genuinely solid lynch and should be a good one.
The AFK lynch is a crap shoot and any votes there are bad and make you instantly scummy, any "reason" for rels or damdred or RoL or prpl at this point is sort shitty.
You can pick another person if you legitimately make a good case on them, fuck you can think rayn is right and vote me I wont give a shit just dont vote on an AFK and peace out. This is also true, and was exactly what I was thinking getting to this point. 1-2 votes on a bunch of different people is ridiculously easy for the mafia to manipulate. As I posted earlier, lynching an inactive is just silly. That includes Damdred. If he doesn't post by this time day 3, I'm fine with a lynch on him. Until then, we have no idea why he didn't come back and his disappearance says nothing to us about whether or not he's mafia. Of the people with votes right now, I would most prefer a lynch of Vivax. I could live with a Rels lynch. I'm also not comfortable with how heavily prplhz has been defending/sheeping Vivax all game (post 266, post 291, post 355). He said: On September 11 2018 05:20 prplhz wrote:
Generally I find some people who
1) Are good at finding scum
2) Are town
And then I sheep them. That's really how I do. I rarely do a lot of analysis because I'm really not very good at it. But I wrote a few points on you that I myself find to be something I would expect more from scum. So prplhz decided to latch onto Vivax? What exactly makes you (prplhz) think Vivax is town? What makes you think he's good at finding scum? I already thought he was town yesterday for pushing against the Kaley lynch with some decent arguments. I don't know if he's great at finding scum, I agree with him on Damdred and I find it more likely we'll lynch Damdred over you today. Which push against the Kaley lynch? Which arguments? The ones he later admitted were part of "a crappy feels-read?" Or maybe this one? On September 09 2018 01:16 Vivax wrote:On September 08 2018 23:06 Rels wrote:On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. why ? Yea it isn't a smurf after reading through the profile. And it sure as hell isn't a she. I was sure it was a new acc just for this game, meh. I was wrong. But the rapping thing isn't something exclusive to this game. It's just his hobby. I don't want to vote him though. There's too many shitty votes on kaley floating about, some policy like rayn, some for weird analysis of the rap like from Qatol. And you for no reason. If that's the case, why are you pushing for what is effectively a policy lynch on damdred now? Note that Vivax called rayn's policy vote a "shitty vote" in the post I quoted. Yes, that one. I don't really know if I get your policy lynch point, but I don't think Damdred is a policy lynch.
Then please explain to me in simple terms the reasoning behind the damdred lynch. I get that he said he would be back and didn't come back. How does that make him mafia?
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Yeah i somehow thought this is an open setup. I havent read the op for a week except for now.
I am never lynching vivax now anyways, it is way more likely he was just roleblocked because he wasnt exactly under heavy fire when he claimed roleblocked.
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Then who do you want to lynch, other than Kelsier (assuming you still want to lynch him)?
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Idk. Kelsiers answer doesnt please me. And he made another scumread based on - once again - what other people said.
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I can vote for damdred, or rels. I wont be voting for vivax or qatol. Unless kelsier is happening, which doesnt seem likely rn. I hate to play when i dont have enough time.
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Rels had the dumb "rayn not interacting with me" post which doesnt make any sense since every read he made was exactly what my reads were at the time -- so why should i interact woth him when he is voting for who i want to lynch and he 100% agrees with my reads?
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What do you think about prplhz?
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Rayn: no way is Vivax confirmed town. His RB claim is high risk/high reward as I said but it certainly doesn’t absolve him.
What are your thoughts on my case on him.
Qatol: my reasoning for believing that the other two scum are inactive isn’t about their communication it is that the high risk play comes at a time where scum!vivax shouldn’t feel much pressure and, therefore, would only happen if scum!bivax needed to elicit the reaction he got from Rayn because he can’t count on his teammates
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I’ll try to check the thread again before deadline but I am at work and can’t do much.
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Prplhz I still want your response to my Vivax case.
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hello. Sorry for the activity I'm working pretty hard
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I dont think prpkhz is mafia, he said something that sounded really townie
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Well i have to make the decision now.
At least this has a chance of happening.
##vote Damdred
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On September 12 2018 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think prpkhz is mafia, he said something that sounded really townie
what was it ?
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Rels: your thoughts on my Vivax case.
Who is scummier to you Vivax or Damdred?
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Rayn: your thoughts on Vivax besides “totes confirmed town” and “oh wait maybe not confirmed town”
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On September 12 2018 00:24 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
dear god, did Koshi actually hint being blue? I was ~90% sure he was from post #76 (though not which role). He didn't seem the type to frequently get lynched day 1, which would be the only other reason I could see for him to get that nervous about getting lynched that early.
I don't see how anyone would see this Koshi post as him being blue unless they were bluehunting.
(even bluehunting, I don't how anyone could think Koshi was 90% blue from that post, but that's besides the point)
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On September 12 2018 07:19 Sergiovan wrote:
Rels: your thoughts on my Vivax case.
Who is scummier to you Vivax or Damdred?
Qatol is the scummier. :p
I think Vivax is town and I have no read on Damdred.
Qatol just feels wrong, very logical, as if he's following a plan. He defend himself too much compared to his position in the thread. The NK would also makes sense.
More things I don't like:
- his Kaley's vote, when he's attacking at the same time the wagon on Kaley, while justifying keeping his vote in it:
On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. Plus, we're getting posts like this: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. However, the thing that is most perplexing about the situation is Kaley's insistence on staying in character and getting in a flamewar with rayn rather than providing any real analysis. Kaley, you're spending the time to put together semi-rhymes. Why not at least point to the words rayn has posted that are making you push for him so hard? From what I can tell, your original read came from him stating that he would policy lynch people who posted rp/ms paint. He hadn't even said anything about you before you started trying to aggravate him. As I have mentioned repeatedly, you really haven't posted anything that helps the town. Instead, your posts have been inflammatory and disruptive. As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you.
- is looking for blues as VT, which is an unusual mindset:
On September 12 2018 00:24 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
dear god, did Koshi actually hint being blue? I was ~90% sure he was from post #76 (though not which role). He didn't seem the type to frequently get lynched day 1, which would be the only other reason I could see for him to get that nervous about getting lynched that early. It's why my strategy with him was to basically tell the thread "look at him later, but he might be suspicious." Looking back at it, posts 246 and 252 were pretty clear requests for our blessing on how he was using his vigi hit. I think there's a chance the mafia could have caught on.
-he's voting Vivax, but is ready to be convinced by a case on KSC:
On September 11 2018 23:47 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i want to lynch Kelsier. Make a good case for it and I'll probably back you. That last post doesn't sit so well with me. I'll look and see if I see anything redeeming in his filter.
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will check your case on Vivax though. If I don't remember it it probably means it didn't convince me
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I like this new and improved active Rels
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On September 12 2018 04:09 Sergiovan wrote:
In post #89 Vivax explains a town read on Kaley that comes mostly “from the gut” while also trying to give real reasoning for it I.e. that Kaley is attacking Rayn.
But in post #119 Vivax says that he isn’t sure if Kaley is genuinely pushing Rayn and that he hasn’t read her full post.
Therefore the alignment read that Vivax had on Kaley didn’t come from an actual read but was instead manufactured by Vivax
Yeah. Meh. Don't see how him admitting he hasn't read her full post makes his quick gut read not possible.
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On the other hand I see NOONE except someone looking actively for blues reading this post:
On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town.
And thinking: "mm yeah this person is 90% blue"
And THEN making this post:
On September 08 2018 15:42 Qatol wrote:
I agree that Koshi isn't really contributing very seriously and he should be looked at as a more serious lynch candidate in the near future. His posts generally are not helping the town, with the possible exception of his halfhearted stabs at me, which at least potentially foster discussion. However, I don't agree with calling him scummy for not posting his town reads, at least if those townies are not under threat of lynch and he himself is not about to die.
Oh yeah. Really 90% sure Koshi was town at that point.
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On September 10 2018 23:31 Qatol wrote:1. They might have figured out that Koshi was blue. He kinda gave it away with this post:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town. Specifically, he was unnaturally nervous about being lynched day 1. This screams blue.
He didn't "give it away" since ... he wasn't blue! Odd choice of words I think. Unless you come frm the perspective of being sure that Koshi would flip blue.
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On September 08 2018 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Qatol Qatol Qatol.
Potentially you are just a friendly guy. I don't trust friendly guys.
Friendly. Slimy. Friendly. Pocketing. Who knows who knows.
Yep.
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Rels in #396 what do you mean by “he didn’t give it away since he wasn’t Blue?” Koshi was blue
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Who said anything about blue hunting? If you don't see blue out of the three posts I pointed out, you aren't reading closely enough. And if TL has changed so much that being nice is cause for mistrust, then that's just sad.
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On September 12 2018 07:46 Sergiovan wrote:
Rels in #396 what do you mean by “he didn’t give it away since he wasn’t Blue?” Koshi was blue
oh you're right. Dunno why I thought he wasn't blue
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On September 12 2018 07:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 23:31 Qatol wrote:1. They might have figured out that Koshi was blue. He kinda gave it away with this post:On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town. Specifically, he was unnaturally nervous about being lynched day 1. This screams blue. He didn't "give it away" since ... he wasn't blue! Odd choice of words I think. Unless you come frm the perspective of being sure that Koshi would flip blue.
Uhhh....
On September 10 2018 08:00 kitaman27 wrote:[center] Day 2Koshi the Town Vigilante has been killed.Holyflare the Vanilla Town has been killed.
It is now day 2. You have 48 hours to vote for your preferred lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, Sep 11 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Voting is mandatory and must be done in the voting thread.
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On September 12 2018 07:47 Qatol wrote:
Who said anything about blue hunting? If you don't see blue out of the three posts I pointed out, you aren't reading closely enough. And if TL has changed so much that being nice is cause for mistrust, then that's just sad.
I'm saying I don't see how anyone could think Koshi is 90%blue from the post you pointed out unless they were looking for it. Which VTs usually don't
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Or because I was reading the thread? I still don't see how you don't see it. This isn't rocket science.
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Is anyone else active right now? I'm still not comfortable lynching damdred. I still think this is basically a policy lynch and the math isn't in support of it.
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On September 12 2018 07:50 Qatol wrote:
Or because I was reading the thread? I still don't see how you don't see it. This isn't rocket science.
On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town.
This post is so obviously sarcastic so you mistaking it for being "unnaturally nervous about being lynched day 1" is making you extremely likely scum in my mind.
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that, and the other stuff I've said last page
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you got lucky with your unlikely assumption being right
or maybe you really caught him with his posts asking for advice during the night
but that post is not a blueslip, and no VT would think it is
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On September 12 2018 07:51 Qatol wrote:
Is anyone else active right now? I'm still not comfortable lynching damdred. I still think this is basically a policy lynch and the math isn't in support of it.
What math?
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On September 12 2018 07:51 Qatol wrote:
Is anyone else active right now? I'm still not comfortable lynching damdred. I still think this is basically a policy lynch and the math isn't in support of it.
this I agree.
I mean, it's possible he flips scum.
It's possible he doesn't.
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you even said something like "Koshi doesn't look lik someone that is hard to lynch" at some point right ? Why did you think that ?
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On September 12 2018 07:56 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 07:51 Qatol wrote:
Is anyone else active right now? I'm still not comfortable lynching damdred. I still think this is basically a policy lynch and the math isn't in support of it. What math?
A random lynch of someone who has posted no relevant content. You never explained why this is anything other than that, so I am forced to assume that damdred is being policy lynched for inactivity.
As far as I can tell, at best, you have a 3 in 10 chance of hitting mafia, unless I'm missing something.
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since Damdred is gettin modkilled we should switch
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we can kill a lot of people that didn't vote yesterday
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On September 12 2018 07:57 Rels wrote:
you even said something like "Koshi doesn't look lik someone that is hard to lynch" at some point right ? Why did you think that ?
I didn't say that. Find the post and I'll explain my thought process.
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Night 2![[image loading]](https://media.tenor.com/images/c2e45ea5c98b5a3676111a129f4ddb76/tenor.gif)
Final Vote Count
Damdred [3]: Vivax, prplhz, raynpelikoneet
Vivax [2]: Qatol, Sergiovan
Qatol [1]: prplhz, Rels
KelsierSC [0]: raynpelikoneet
Rels [1]: Meapak_Ziphh
Sergiovan [0]: KelsierSC
Damdred the Vanilla Town has been lynched.
RebirthOfLeGendD, Damdred, and KelsierSC have been warned for failing to vote.
It is now Night 2. You have 24 hours to submit night actions. The night ends on Wednesday, Sep 12 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
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not even ROL got modkilled ? I'm pretty sure he didn't vote yesterday
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On September 12 2018 08:00 Rels wrote:
we can kill a lot of people that didn't vote yesterday
On August 20 2018 00:57 kitaman27 wrote:
Activity:
You are expected to keep up with the thread and participate in discussion daily. If for some reason you anticipate that you will not be available for a period longer than 24 hours, please notify a host ahead of time.
I will be looking for at least 3 posts per cycle, so 1 post every 24 hours. Players will not be removed from the game for activity or failure to vote, but may face post game punishment.
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On September 12 2018 08:00 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 07:57 Rels wrote:
you even said something like "Koshi doesn't look lik someone that is hard to lynch" at some point right ? Why did you think that ? I didn't say that. Find the post and I'll explain my thought process.
On September 12 2018 00:24 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
dear god, did Koshi actually hint being blue? I was ~90% sure he was from post #76 (though not which role). He didn't seem the type to frequently get lynched day 1, which would be the only other reason I could see for him to get that nervous about getting lynched that early.
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I have to go, but I'll be back in about an hour. I am happy to respond to any questions you leave, Rels
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On September 12 2018 08:03 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 08:00 Rels wrote:
we can kill a lot of people that didn't vote yesterday Show nested quote +On August 20 2018 00:57 kitaman27 wrote:
Activity:
You are expected to keep up with the thread and participate in discussion daily. If for some reason you anticipate that you will not be available for a period longer than 24 hours, please notify a host ahead of time.
I will be looking for at least 3 posts per cycle, so 1 post every 24 hours. Players will not be removed from the game for activity or failure to vote, but may face post game punishment.
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annoying
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well happy to finally be thinking about mafia. It had been a while
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On September 12 2018 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i somehow thought this is an open setup. I havent read the op for a week except for now.
I am never lynching vivax now anyways, it is way more likely he was just roleblocked because he wasnt exactly under heavy fire when he claimed roleblocked.
kinda cheesy, but almost lock town right there for that. As far as I know rayn don't dumbtell as scum
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rayn did you ever dumbtell as scum ?
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blegh I thought I had voted but forgot to post in the vote thread.
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On September 12 2018 08:03 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 08:00 Qatol wrote:On September 12 2018 07:57 Rels wrote:
you even said something like "Koshi doesn't look lik someone that is hard to lynch" at some point right ? Why did you think that ? I didn't say that. Find the post and I'll explain my thought process. Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 00:24 Qatol wrote:On September 11 2018 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
dear god, did Koshi actually hint being blue? I was ~90% sure he was from post #76 (though not which role). He didn't seem the type to frequently get lynched day 1, which would be the only other reason I could see for him to get that nervous about getting lynched that early.
What about it? I said Koshi is unlikely to be lynched day 1, as in unlikely to be repeatedly lynched early for policy/poor play/whatever (which would be the other reason I could see him being nervous). That is basically the opposite of "Koshi doesn't look like someone that is hard to lynch."
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On another note, I just thought I'd point out that, assuming the night kill goes through, town is at mylo, which, in a game without no lynches, is lylo (5 town vs. 3 mafia). It's a little better if RoL is mafia and continues not to vote, but if he's town, a mislynch means we lose. If you are town, please think things through before you vote, and we are going to need to vote overwhelmingly.
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On September 12 2018 08:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i somehow thought this is an open setup. I havent read the op for a week except for now.
I am never lynching vivax now anyways, it is way more likely he was just roleblocked because he wasnt exactly under heavy fire when he claimed roleblocked. kinda cheesy, but almost lock town right there for that. As far as I know rayn don't dumbtell as scum
Then why did he provide the hammer vote on an absolutely horrible damdred lynch? As in, if he did not vote damdred, then damdred would not have been lynched (it would have been vivax). As I have been pointing out, damdred had exactly 1 post during the game. This was a mafia-endorsed "policy lynch." I say endorsed because it was a majority vote of 3, and a single vote switch could and did change the result. Isn't rayn supposed to be the best player left in this game? That vote is making me at least reconsider him.
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On September 12 2018 07:55 Rels wrote:
you got lucky with your unlikely assumption being right
or maybe you really caught him with his posts asking for advice during the night
but that post is not a blueslip, and no VT would think it is
Please take a step back and think things through. It doesn't matter if I got lucky or not. We were speculating on reasons for why Koshi got hit. I mentioned that I think that post painted him as blue. Again, it doesn't matter if that was a blueslip or not to you. To me, it was one. Explain to me why me mentioning that makes me mafia. Not to dive too deeply into wifom, but what would mafia say in that situation? Why would mafia volunteer that information?
Again, we are probably at lylo. If we are unable to coordinate town votes on a mafia, we lose.
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I'm gonna blatantly setup speculate right now and say that RoL is honestly probably town which is keeping him from being modkilled otherwise town would have already lost. Since it looks like Qatol is right and we'll be lylo tomorrow, I'd really not like to spend that lynch on an inactive.
I really think we should be focusing on Rels, I didn't really like any of his activity today. I have some other dumb speculative reasons but I'll type out a longer post tomorrow. I had a 13 hour flying day today so I need to go to bed.
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On September 12 2018 15:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm gonna blatantly setup speculate right now and say that RoL is honestly probably town which is keeping him from being modkilled otherwise town would have already lost. Since it looks like Qatol is right and we'll be lylo tomorrow, I'd really not like to spend that lynch on an inactive.
I really think we should be focusing on Rels, I didn't really like any of his activity today. I have some other dumb speculative reasons but I'll type out a longer post tomorrow. I had a 13 hour flying day today so I need to go to bed.
Well in the OP it is stated that people won't be modkilled for failing to vote or low activity.
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Problem with a lot of people spending 2 days doing nothing is that when you come back and tell us who to focus on our give any kind of read I honestly don't give a fuck.
Like telling us we should focus on Rels and having to wait for a reason, I just dgaf
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On September 12 2018 06:29 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz I still want your response to my Vivax case.
I sort of get it. If Vivax thinks Kaley is town, Vivax should think that all Kaley's actions are geniune. He says he thinks Kaley is town, but that Kaley's push on raynpelikoneet isn't genuine. It's a fair point actually.
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On September 12 2018 08:15 Rels wrote:
rayn did you ever dumbtell as scum ?
At least once.
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On September 12 2018 09:25 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 08:07 Rels wrote:On September 12 2018 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i somehow thought this is an open setup. I havent read the op for a week except for now.
I am never lynching vivax now anyways, it is way more likely he was just roleblocked because he wasnt exactly under heavy fire when he claimed roleblocked. kinda cheesy, but almost lock town right there for that. As far as I know rayn don't dumbtell as scum Then why did he provide the hammer vote on an absolutely horrible damdred lynch? As in, if he did not vote damdred, then damdred would not have been lynched (it would have been vivax). As I have been pointing out, damdred had exactly 1 post during the game. This was a mafia-endorsed "policy lynch." I say endorsed because it was a majority vote of 3, and a single vote switch could and did change the result. Isn't rayn supposed to be the best player left in this game? That vote is making me at least reconsider him.
What the....?
idk which is worse, this post here or the fact that noone who has posted after this has had nothing to say about this.
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On September 13 2018 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 09:25 Qatol wrote:On September 12 2018 08:07 Rels wrote:On September 12 2018 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i somehow thought this is an open setup. I havent read the op for a week except for now.
I am never lynching vivax now anyways, it is way more likely he was just roleblocked because he wasnt exactly under heavy fire when he claimed roleblocked. kinda cheesy, but almost lock town right there for that. As far as I know rayn don't dumbtell as scum Then why did he provide the hammer vote on an absolutely horrible damdred lynch? As in, if he did not vote damdred, then damdred would not have been lynched (it would have been vivax). As I have been pointing out, damdred had exactly 1 post during the game. This was a mafia-endorsed "policy lynch." I say endorsed because it was a majority vote of 3, and a single vote switch could and did change the result. Isn't rayn supposed to be the best player left in this game? That vote is making me at least reconsider him. What the....? idk which is worse, this post here or the fact that noone who has posted after this has had nothing to say about this.
What is so surprising about wanting to reevaluate you? You jumped onto the bandwagon of a player with exactly 1 post in the game and with a nonexistent argument for lynching him. On top of that, it was done at a time when a mislynch most likely puts us at lylo. At the very least, I think an explanation is in order.
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So in your opinion i should have:
1) Lynch or let my townread Vivax lynched?
2) Lynch you (since i thought Kelsier was also voting for you)
Tell me, which of those options should have town!rayn done over voting for someone i believed has at least a decent chance of flipping mafia over the other options?
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Like i literally came here with the time i had, saw that there was no interest in my preferred lynch (Kelsier), said i didn't want to lynch the other two of the three wagons (which i had already said even before they were actual wagons), and decided to vote for a the last possible option.
Like it's already fucking bullshit how the votes have gone all game because in a game with 3 mafia (even if RoL is mafia in this game) you are never ever gonna lynch mafia with 3 votes unless mafia is just garbage, let alone with 2 votes. Leaving my vote on Kelsier was not an option. Because i want to even have a chance of lynching mafia and in my opinion voting for Damdred was the best chance out of those three.
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I do not mind people reevaluating me or even calling me mafia but i do mind if it is for absolutely horrendous reasons that never make sense in any world.
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I can't answer those questions without knowing how you reached the assumptions that underly them.
Why did you think damdred had a "decent chance of flipping mafia"? Again, the entire argument against him was "he said he would come back but he didn't." What about that did you find to be so persuasive?
Why do you have a townread on Vivax?
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Have you even read anything i have written in this game?
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On September 13 2018 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally came here with the time i had, saw that there was no interest in my preferred lynch (Kelsier), said i didn't want to lynch the other two of the three wagons (which i had already said even before they were actual wagons), and decided to vote for a the last possible option.
Like it's already fucking bullshit how the votes have gone all game because in a game with 3 mafia (even if RoL is mafia in this game) you are never ever gonna lynch mafia with 3 votes unless mafia is just garbage, let alone with 2 votes. Leaving my vote on Kelsier was not an option. Because i want to even have a chance of lynching mafia and in my opinion voting for Damdred was the best chance out of those three.
This is a point I was hoping you would make.
However, I'd still like to hear why you thought damdred was the best choice or why vivax is so town to you. Judging from posts other people have been making, you're supposed to be the best scumhunter left. On top of that, your posts have been relatively reasoned, so I'm wondering why you jumped onto a train with such a weak case.
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I have a townread on Vivax because claiming a roleblock on D2 most likely makes him town, unless mafia is 3/3 someone who normally doesn't play here, which includes you, and that also makes Vivax town (if you are mafia).
People here tend to roleblock either a blue read, or way more likely the person who they shoot (aka Koshi N1 which we know was not roleblocked). The games here tend to have at least 2 town blues, especially newbie games, so newbies get a hold of roles and possible fake or counter-claim situations aswell.
Sure it is possible mafia does not have a roleblocker at all, or that the roleblock went on Holyflare, but i don't find that likely based on above. I also know Koshi flipped town and i give merit on his read on Vivax.
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On September 13 2018 05:49 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally came here with the time i had, saw that there was no interest in my preferred lynch (Kelsier), said i didn't want to lynch the other two of the three wagons (which i had already said even before they were actual wagons), and decided to vote for a the last possible option.
Like it's already fucking bullshit how the votes have gone all game because in a game with 3 mafia (even if RoL is mafia in this game) you are never ever gonna lynch mafia with 3 votes unless mafia is just garbage, let alone with 2 votes. Leaving my vote on Kelsier was not an option. Because i want to even have a chance of lynching mafia and in my opinion voting for Damdred was the best chance out of those three. This is a point I was hoping you would make. However, I'd still like to hear why you thought damdred was the best choice or why vivax is so town to you. Judging from posts other people have been making, you're supposed to be the best scumhunter left. On top of that, your posts have been relatively reasoned, so I'm wondering why you jumped onto a train with such a weak case.
I thought Vivax is town and i thought you are town so what choice do i have? I am not gonna lie, i didn't think Damdred was necessarily mafia but that was the best option i had at the time.
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Like if mafia has a roleblocker there is 0% chance mafia is not using their roleblock unless the mafia is in you, Serge, RoL and Meapak, literally 0% chance.
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uh sorry peeps I didn't realize the game started. Gimme a bit.
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On September 13 2018 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Have you even read anything i have written in this game?
Absolutely. From what I can tell, you decided vivax is confirmed town based entirely on him claiming to have been roleblocked. Is there anything else? You were at this point before that:
On September 08 2018 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, i try to make this very simple.
If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing.
And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax.
I understand Koshi had a townread on Vivax. It was also a day 1 only read. Plus, after you commented on that, you said this:
[QUOTE]On September 09 2018 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 09 2018 20:51 Vivax wrote:
Kaley wasn't the worst of lynches considering that his raps would have remained his only contributions for the rest of the game. But I'm wary of anyone who tried to argue that the above wasn't the only reason.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure what you are trying to say here. Very easy argument to make since he flipped town, and idgaf how vary you will be of me for the rest of the game because if you are not saying what i was just above then i disagree with you.[/QUOTE
I'm surprised town!rayn would be so quick to change his mind, unless there's something I am missing.
As far as damdred goes, please explain more thoroughly, because I simply don't understand. Why damdred over rels?
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Argh again. EBWOP:
On September 13 2018 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Have you even read anything i have written in this game?
Absolutely. From what I can tell, you decided vivax is confirmed town based entirely on him claiming to have been roleblocked. Is there anything else? You were at this point before that:
On September 08 2018 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, i try to make this very simple.
If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing.
And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax.
I understand Koshi had a townread on Vivax. It was also a day 1 only read. Plus, after you commented on that, you said this:
On September 09 2018 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 20:51 Vivax wrote:
Kaley wasn't the worst of lynches considering that his raps would have remained his only contributions for the rest of the game. But I'm wary of anyone who tried to argue that the above wasn't the only reason. I am not sure what you are trying to say here. Very easy argument to make since he flipped town, and idgaf how vary you will be of me for the rest of the game because if you are not saying what i was just above then i disagree with you.
I'm surprised town!rayn would be so quick to change his mind, unless there's something I am missing.
As far as damdred goes, please explain more thoroughly, because I simply don't understand. Why damdred over rels?
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Put together a little matrix with all the current alive players and their current reads (as near as I can tell). I had this feeling a lot of people haven’t really given strong reads or have simply called a bunch of people town which at this point in the game I thing is a sure sign of someone trying to avoid being noticed. A quick note about this, I have not included RoL since he literally has no posts.
Kelsier
Scum: Vivax Sergio prplhz qatol
Town: NA
Meapak
Scum: Rels
Town: prplhz
Rels
Scum: qatol
Town: Sergio rayn kelsier vivax
Qatol
Scum: vivax kelsier?
Town: NA
Rayn
Scum: kelsier
Town: Sergio Qatol vivax? Prplhz
Sergio
Scum: vivax
Town: NA
Vivax
Scum: Qatol?
Town: Sergio MZ
Prplhz
Scum: Qatol
Town: NA
Firstly, if you disagree with how I’ve classified your reads please let me know, it’s always good to nail down people on what they’re thinking. Secondly, a few things jump out at me. Rels has called a lot of people town and only has one scum read, Qatol, who half the remaining players have as scum so it’s a very safe read. I’m pretty certain Rels is scum at this point when pared with the other analysis I did. Another person who jumps out is Rayn. Along with Rels, he’s got a lot of town reads and more importantly they share Sergio as a town read. Sergio has been fantastically useless, has asked a loooot of filler questions, and has only one claim to fame which is a scum read on vivax. Rayn has Kelsier as a scum read but hasn’t really done much to push that. Vivax is also worth noting because he has the easy scumread on qatol but also has a townread on Sergio as well. So after looking at all this, what I’m left with is Rels: 100% scum. Sergio: 90% scum, Rayn: 70% Vivax: 50% (only scum if one of the other 3 is somehow town).
As a quick explanation for my thought process, what I look for right now are people pushing easy reads as scum, and people who are quick to call many people town. Scum push easy reads so they can blend in, which is why I'm not a huge fan of the Qatol votes, regardless of the validity of the case, if a lot of people are doing it you can be sure there are a few scum trying to slip under the radar. This is a nail in the coffin for Rels. Rayn has called a lot of people town, but most importantly Sergio who has done nothing to warrant this.
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I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
can you understand why?
Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels. I think Rels' "blue hunt case" is another ridiculous one because why would anyone as mafia ever kill someone, then say the kill was because of them being obvious blue, and then openly admit they figured out they are blue. Like yeah.... that's not how mafia operates.
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Actually reading the last few pages I missed while writing that is starting to make me wonder if a Rels/Rayn/Vivax team isn't out of the question.
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On September 13 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
can you understand why? Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels. I think Rels' "blue hunt case" is another ridiculous one because why would anyone as mafia ever kill someone, then say the kill was because of them being obvious blue, and then openly admit they figured out they are blue. Like yeah.... that's not how mafia operates.
Hmmm
Damdred had 1 vote and Rels had 1 vote
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On September 13 2018 06:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Rayn
Scum: kelsier
Town: Sergio Qatol vivax? Prplhz
I have you as town and rels as mafia.
idk what qatol is rn because i think this very simple argument has been blown out of proportion by him.
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On September 13 2018 06:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
can you understand why? Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels. I think Rels' "blue hunt case" is another ridiculous one because why would anyone as mafia ever kill someone, then say the kill was because of them being obvious blue, and then openly admit they figured out they are blue. Like yeah.... that's not how mafia operates. Hmmm Damdred had 1 vote and Rels had 1 vote
While i did not know you were voting for Rels (i literally didn't have time on phone) that's not true.
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Okay, let me see if I'm understanding everything right regarding your position on Vivax.
1. Koshi's support of him means something to you.
2. You also saw him claim roleblock despite not being under too much pressure (I happen to disagree, considering I had already accused him, Kelsier was leaning that direction, and sergio hadn't backed off on him, but that isn't the point). You believe this claim to have been genuine because of the following logic. Because Koshi's vigi shot went through, Koshi obviously wasn't roleblocked. Nobody else has claimed to have been roleblocked. That means that, assuming there was a roleblock, it would have to have gone on either HF or Vivax.
Is there anything he has said, other than the roleblock claim, that makes you think he's town?
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[QUOTE]On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
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You of all people should realise why this is never a mafia post....
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Hey Qatol,
Still catching up, but can you explain your thoughts on the Day 1 lynch? I figured you just made an accusation to generate other reads but you never changed your vote and let the lynch go through.. figured you would throw out the accusation to try to gauge reactions.
Maybe when I finish reading I'll see more I just though it was odd. It seemed like a move to create pressure and force people out and to comment and it seems as though you didn't change votes which would indicate that you were either content with your read based off some poem/summary thing, or you didn't see anything else acting odd.
In hindsight I'm curious to what you gained through that while I continue reading. I'm at work so It's going to be a bit sporadic as stuff comes up.
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Can’t be here for long unfortunately. So a few quick thoughts.
1) I need to check in on Qatol some more but I currently have him as scum
2) I have Kelsier as a relatively strong town read
3) RoL actually posted, wow
4) I like Meapak’s post, he is thinking about the game with a townie mindset though I don’t find his conclusions convincing. That is: his case(s) put him in the town column but they don’t convince me.
If I’m alive tomorrow I’m going to spend some time looking at voting patterns and how wagons developed. Unless we have protective blue roles we need to lynch scum tomorrow
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Okay you posted again, pointing out a specific statement from Vivax.
On September 13 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
can you understand why?
Please explain it to me. I tried to work it out, but my evaluation of the statement falls apart at the point where Vivax talks about a "Qatol made decision," considering the mafia didn't make a decision about HF, other than maybe roleblocking him.
Unless you are pointing out that the incorrect logic is a reason to trust Vivax?
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On September 13 2018 06:24 Qatol wrote:Okay you posted again, pointing out a specific statement from Vivax. Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
can you understand why? Please explain it to me. I tried to work it out, but my evaluation of the statement falls apart at the point where Vivax talks about a "Qatol made decision," considering the mafia didn't make a decision about HF, other than maybe roleblocking him. Unless you are pointing out that the incorrect logic is a reason to trust Vivax?
You think mafia!Vivax comes here on D2 and tells "holyflare night kill points towards Qatol" when, if he is mafia, he clearly knows that's not what happened? Like he makes an utterly "bullshit case" when he knows every single person in the game knows is bullshit if they have just looked at the day post....
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On September 13 2018 06:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Put together a little matrix with all the current alive players and their current reads (as near as I can tell). I had this feeling a lot of people haven’t really given strong reads or have simply called a bunch of people town which at this point in the game I thing is a sure sign of someone trying to avoid being noticed. A quick note about this, I have not included RoL since he literally has no posts.
Kelsier
Scum: Vivax Sergio prplhz qatol
Town: NA
Meapak
Scum: Rels
Town: prplhz
Rels
Scum: qatol
Town: Sergio rayn kelsier vivax
Qatol
Scum: vivax kelsier?
Town: NA
Rayn
Scum: kelsier
Town: Sergio Qatol vivax? Prplhz
Sergio
Scum: vivax
Town: NA
Vivax
Scum: Qatol?
Town: Sergio MZ
Prplhz
Scum: Qatol
Town: NA
Firstly, if you disagree with how I’ve classified your reads please let me know, it’s always good to nail down people on what they’re thinking. Secondly, a few things jump out at me. Rels has called a lot of people town and only has one scum read, Qatol, who half the remaining players have as scum so it’s a very safe read. I’m pretty certain Rels is scum at this point when pared with the other analysis I did. Another person who jumps out is Rayn. Along with Rels, he’s got a lot of town reads and more importantly they share Sergio as a town read. Sergio has been fantastically useless, has asked a loooot of filler questions, and has only one claim to fame which is a scum read on vivax. Rayn has Kelsier as a scum read but hasn’t really done much to push that. Vivax is also worth noting because he has the easy scumread on qatol but also has a townread on Sergio as well. So after looking at all this, what I’m left with is Rels: 100% scum. Sergio: 90% scum, Rayn: 70% Vivax: 50% (only scum if one of the other 3 is somehow town).
As a quick explanation for my thought process, what I look for right now are people pushing easy reads as scum, and people who are quick to call many people town. Scum push easy reads so they can blend in, which is why I'm not a huge fan of the Qatol votes, regardless of the validity of the case, if a lot of people are doing it you can be sure there are a few scum trying to slip under the radar. This is a nail in the coffin for Rels. Rayn has called a lot of people town, but most importantly Sergio who has done nothing to warrant this.
I don't have a scumread on kelsier. I do have one on prplhz. I'm also willing to vote Rels in lylo. I'm not going to provide my townreads unless they are under serious pressure, because I think it just hands the mafia information about the consensus most trusted players.
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Incorrect logic does not make anyone mafia per se, but like... If Vivax is mafia he HAS TO KNOW what really happened during the night because when you are mafia night is your time, you kill people at night. Do you remember a time when you didn't know who you nightkilled when posting the next day as mafia?
Sure you can argue "he is faking" but you can also argue "kitaman made as all town and this is jsut a bastard game" and i think that's almost evenly likely.....
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On September 13 2018 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
can you understand why? Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels. I think Rels' "blue hunt case" is another ridiculous one because why would anyone as mafia ever kill someone, then say the kill was because of them being obvious blue, and then openly admit they figured out they are blue. Like yeah.... that's not how mafia operates. Hmmm Damdred had 1 vote and Rels had 1 vote While i did not know you were voting for Rels (i literally didn't have time on phone) that's not true.
I mean it was in the voting thread, surely you would have been able to read the thread on your phone before you voted.
On September 12 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote:
##Vote Damdred
On September 12 2018 02:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote: Rels
On September 12 2018 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Damdred
Vivax was the first vote on damdred, I voted for rels 2 hours later, you were the second vote on damdred almost 5 hours after I had voted.
On September 12 2018 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:I can vote for damdred, or rels. I wont be voting for vivax or qatol. Unless kelsier is happening, which doesnt seem likely rn. I hate to play when i dont have enough time.
I was the only reason rels was brought up at this point so clearly you had seen my analysis and it kinda calls into question why you'd say something like While i did not know you were voting for Rels
The timestamps are not lining up for your story, and actually going back through your filter to that time again reminded me of this post right hereOn September 12 2018 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels had the dumb "rayn not interacting with me" post which doesnt make any sense since every read he made was exactly what my reads were at the time -- so why should i interact woth him when he is voting for who i want to lynch and he 100% agrees with my reads?
I didn't like rels for that post but now I'm starting to wonder if it wasn't an attempt to distance himself from you if you two are scum together. The fact is, your timeline doesn't line up. You were a crucial vote on damdred, and now it seems like you're lying about why you picked damdred over rels.
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On September 13 2018 06:30 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Put together a little matrix with all the current alive players and their current reads (as near as I can tell). I had this feeling a lot of people haven’t really given strong reads or have simply called a bunch of people town which at this point in the game I thing is a sure sign of someone trying to avoid being noticed. A quick note about this, I have not included RoL since he literally has no posts.
Kelsier
Scum: Vivax Sergio prplhz qatol
Town: NA
Meapak
Scum: Rels
Town: prplhz
Rels
Scum: qatol
Town: Sergio rayn kelsier vivax
Qatol
Scum: vivax kelsier?
Town: NA
Rayn
Scum: kelsier
Town: Sergio Qatol vivax? Prplhz
Sergio
Scum: vivax
Town: NA
Vivax
Scum: Qatol?
Town: Sergio MZ
Prplhz
Scum: Qatol
Town: NA
Firstly, if you disagree with how I’ve classified your reads please let me know, it’s always good to nail down people on what they’re thinking. Secondly, a few things jump out at me. Rels has called a lot of people town and only has one scum read, Qatol, who half the remaining players have as scum so it’s a very safe read. I’m pretty certain Rels is scum at this point when pared with the other analysis I did. Another person who jumps out is Rayn. Along with Rels, he’s got a lot of town reads and more importantly they share Sergio as a town read. Sergio has been fantastically useless, has asked a loooot of filler questions, and has only one claim to fame which is a scum read on vivax. Rayn has Kelsier as a scum read but hasn’t really done much to push that. Vivax is also worth noting because he has the easy scumread on qatol but also has a townread on Sergio as well. So after looking at all this, what I’m left with is Rels: 100% scum. Sergio: 90% scum, Rayn: 70% Vivax: 50% (only scum if one of the other 3 is somehow town).
As a quick explanation for my thought process, what I look for right now are people pushing easy reads as scum, and people who are quick to call many people town. Scum push easy reads so they can blend in, which is why I'm not a huge fan of the Qatol votes, regardless of the validity of the case, if a lot of people are doing it you can be sure there are a few scum trying to slip under the radar. This is a nail in the coffin for Rels. Rayn has called a lot of people town, but most importantly Sergio who has done nothing to warrant this. I don't have a scumread on kelsier. I do have one on prplhz. I'm also willing to vote Rels in lylo. I'm not going to provide my townreads unless they are under serious pressure, because I think it just hands the mafia information about the consensus most trusted players.
I don't want town reads lol, that was part of the point of this post, I want scum reads.
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On September 13 2018 06:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2018 06:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
can you understand why? Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels. I think Rels' "blue hunt case" is another ridiculous one because why would anyone as mafia ever kill someone, then say the kill was because of them being obvious blue, and then openly admit they figured out they are blue. Like yeah.... that's not how mafia operates. Hmmm Damdred had 1 vote and Rels had 1 vote While i did not know you were voting for Rels (i literally didn't have time on phone) that's not true. I mean it was in the voting thread, surely you would have been able to read the thread on your phone before you voted. Vivax was the first vote on damdred, I voted for rels 2 hours later, you were the second vote on damdred almost 5 hours after I had voted. Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:I can vote for damdred, or rels. I wont be voting for vivax or qatol. Unless kelsier is happening, which doesnt seem likely rn. I hate to play when i dont have enough time. I was the only reason rels was brought up at this point so clearly you had seen my analysis and it kinda calls into question why you'd say something like The timestamps are not lining up for your story, and actually going back through your filter to that time again reminded me of this post right here Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels had the dumb "rayn not interacting with me" post which doesnt make any sense since every read he made was exactly what my reads were at the time -- so why should i interact woth him when he is voting for who i want to lynch and he 100% agrees with my reads? I didn't like rels for that post but now I'm starting to wonder if it wasn't an attempt to distance himself from you if you two are scum together. The fact is, your timeline doesn't line up. You were a crucial vote on damdred, and now it seems like you're lying about why you picked damdred over rels.
first of all purplehaze has voted for Damdred right fucking before my vote on him, so if you wanna discuss someone being mafia because they missed a vote in the voting thread, you can also call yourself scum.
Yeah, i really missed your vote on Rels, Rels was discussed of being mafia by some people and that's why i thought he was a "viable candidate". I really thought he had no votes (and even if i knew he had one why the fuck would i vote for him over Damdred who had two)?
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I ma sorry i missed your vote 4 hours before mine in a hurry.
You however missed this:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/jov8M3G.jpg)
????????????????????
for real?
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On September 13 2018 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:24 Qatol wrote:Okay you posted again, pointing out a specific statement from Vivax. On September 13 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to tell you a secret. Mafia never writes this: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
can you understand why? Please explain it to me. I tried to work it out, but my evaluation of the statement falls apart at the point where Vivax talks about a "Qatol made decision," considering the mafia didn't make a decision about HF, other than maybe roleblocking him. Unless you are pointing out that the incorrect logic is a reason to trust Vivax? You think mafia!Vivax comes here on D2 and tells "holyflare night kill points towards Qatol" when, if he is mafia, he clearly knows that's not what happened? Like he makes an utterly "bullshit case" when he knows every single person in the game knows is bullshit if they have just looked at the day post....
Okay, fair point. Clearly I'm not seeing the forest for the trees on this one, and I'm willing to reconsider vivax based on what happens tonight.
If accusing Vivax isn't productive, then let's talk about prplhz. He latched onto Vivax pretty hard on day 2. In fact, he followed Vivax onto damdred after he made the argument you mentioned and his justification for latching onto Vivax was:
On September 11 2018 05:20 prplhz wrote:
Generally I find some people who
1) Are good at finding scum
2) Are town
And then I sheep them. That's really how I do. I rarely do a lot of analysis because I'm really not very good at it. But I wrote a few points on you that I myself find to be something I would expect more from scum.
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I mean:
I mean it was in the voting thread, surely you would have been able to read the thread before you posted that.
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I'll summarize what I've been trying to get at over the last few pages. I think rayn tried to rewrite history while explaining his damdred vote when he said
Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels.
Vivax's case against rels was pretty bad, so post hoc rayn doesn't try to justify his vote except by saying there were no other options. This is where I think he is lying. It's hard for me to believe that he came into the thread 4 hours after I posted my rels analysis and say he never saw it and then bring up rels as a lynch option when he had previously not even mentioned rels. Furthermore, when he went into the voting thread, my vote was literally 4 posts above his. I find it incredibly improbable for him to have gone into the voting thread and have missed the D2 vote count thread which should vivax on damdred and me on rels. Actually the more I think about this the more convinced I am rayn is trying to cover his ass.
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On September 13 2018 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:I ma sorry i missed your vote 4 hours before mine in a hurry. You however missed this: ???????????????????? for real?
On September 12 2018 03:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 2 Vote Count
Vivax [1]: Qatol Qatol [1]: prplhz KelsierSC [1]: raynpelikoneet Damdred [1]: Vivax Rels [1]: Meapak_Ziphh Sergiovan [0]: KelsierSCNot Voting [5]: Rels, RebirthOfLeGendD, Sergiovan, Damdred, KelsierSC
Vivax is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Tuesday, Sep 11 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.
This was two posts above yours.
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says the guy who missed purplehaze's vote directly above mine.
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fun fact, i do not read the voting thread. i go there to vote.
i have absolutely no reason to even lie about this if i was mafia, because it is true.
i have always criticised voting threads because they are useless, they are only to help the host and make it harder for players (when people vote in thread and not in voting thread or vice versa).
so yeah, i do not read the voting thread. you can think i am mafia for that, idgaf.
you seem to be reading the voting thread so why did you miss the vote directly above mine, and even made a case on me based on that?
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On September 13 2018 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Incorrect logic does not make anyone mafia per se, but like... If Vivax is mafia he HAS TO KNOW what really happened during the night because when you are mafia night is your time, you kill people at night. Do you remember a time when you didn't know who you nightkilled when posting the next day as mafia?
Sure you can argue "he is faking" but you can also argue "kitaman made as all town and this is jsut a bastard game" and i think that's almost evenly likely.....
I've only been mafia once, and we had a prominent team member (L) who didn't know the night kills; this was before quicktopics were used. That being said, I understand your point. I just wish you had made it earlier. I will back off of Vivax for now.
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On September 13 2018 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
says the guy who missed purplehaze's vote directly above mine.
This really doesn't change the fact that rels had votes on him. And it doesn't stop that voting for someone just because they already have votes on them is an absolutely terrible strategy. If you actually thought rels was scum, as you seem to say now, then why didn't you vote for him? It seems like you just went for the expedient lynch and are now backpedaling.
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whatever i dont even think you are mafia because this is too dumb to be scum....
i will get back to you qatol when i get out of my annoyance. which means a cigarette.
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On September 13 2018 06:47 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Incorrect logic does not make anyone mafia per se, but like... If Vivax is mafia he HAS TO KNOW what really happened during the night because when you are mafia night is your time, you kill people at night. Do you remember a time when you didn't know who you nightkilled when posting the next day as mafia?
Sure you can argue "he is faking" but you can also argue "kitaman made as all town and this is jsut a bastard game" and i think that's almost evenly likely..... I've only been mafia once, and we had a prominent team member (L) who didn't know the night kills; this was before quicktopics were used. That being said, I understand your point. I just wish you had made it earlier. I will back off of Vivax for now.
I didn't read that post, or at least that part, until N2. So you should discount that for my D2 read on Vivax.
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rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him.
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On September 13 2018 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fun fact, i do not read the voting thread. i go there to vote.
i have absolutely no reason to even lie about this if i was mafia, because it is true.
i have always criticised voting threads because they are useless, they are only to help the host and make it harder for players (when people vote in thread and not in voting thread or vice versa).
so yeah, i do not read the voting thread. you can think i am mafia for that, idgaf.
you seem to be reading the voting thread so why did you miss the vote directly above mine, and even made a case on me based on that?
My case on you is based on several other things I've already outlined. I'm zeroing in on this because it's your defense for your damdred vote. You voted for him bc you claim nobody was voting rels. I've already gone over why I think this is bs. I don't buy the lazy townie defense since you've been engaged this whole game. Here's what I think happened. You avoided rels and went for damdred, then you tried to explain away the damdred vote as the only one that was viable. And you're also hell bent on calling vivax confirmed town which smells since it was him who started the damdred lynch in the first place.
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On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him.
Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option.
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I must be really good at being engaged on this then since i have worked 16 hrs days this week with basically no chance to play during work.
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On September 13 2018 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option.
I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red).
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On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option. I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red).
prplhz is my one town read simply because I've mislynched him for play exactly like this before. Of everyone in this game, he's probably the only person I feel comfortable making a meta read on even after a few years off. I honestly could see vivax as scum too if sergio is actually innocent. It would make the whole damdred lynch make more sense. Of course it will be interesting to see if anyone else claims RB tonight. What I would like to do going forwards is lynch Rels tomorrow, lynch rayn d4, and then if nobody has claimed to be rb'd lynch vivax d5. If someone does claim to be rb'd we lynch sergio.
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If this is what he does as town, what does he do differently as mafia?
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On September 13 2018 06:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
says the guy who missed purplehaze's vote directly above mine. This really doesn't change the fact that rels had votes on him. And it doesn't stop that voting for someone just because they already have votes on them is an absolutely terrible strategy. If you actually thought rels was scum, as you seem to say now, then why didn't you vote for him? It seems like you just went for the expedient lynch and are now backpedaling.
Ah i see, you are saying i scumread Rels at that time, well i did not. I started scumreading Rels for his vote on Qatol which i found out to be based on the blue hunting theory which i think is really stupid.(also his other points are crap imo). That happened after N2 start, well for me.
Also ofc it changes the fact. I find it very hypocritical to call me mafia based ONLY on "rayn missed a vote in voting thread" when you yourself missed a vote directly above the one you are making the case on (my vote). I mean, sure you can call me scum for a missed vote but when you yourself miss a vote which is right next to the one you are calling mafia for, i have a hard time seeing how you can do something and it never is scummy at all and i can't (assuming you don't wanna call yourself scum ofc).
On September 13 2018 06:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I'll summarize what I've been trying to get at over the last few pages. I think rayn tried to rewrite history while explaining his damdred vote when he said Show nested quote +Damdred over Rels simply because there were votes on Damdred and no votes on Rels. Vivax's case against rels was pretty bad, so post hoc rayn doesn't try to justify his vote except by saying there were no other options. This is where I think he is lying.
idk what Vivax' case on Rels has to do with anything? Who was Vivax voting for? Who was i voting for? Idk what Vivax has to do with this...
It's hard for me to believe that he came into the thread 4 hours after I posted my rels analysis and say he never saw it and then bring up rels as a lynch option when he had previously not even mentioned rels.
Well, then you do not believe it, i can't do anything about it, and you can argue i am mafia for it. That's your call. The bolded is simply untrue because i called Rels out on N1 (or D2 i don't remember). I just remember some people calling Rels out and when i entered the thread and skimmed through i thought the lynch options were Damdred, Vivax, Qatol and Rels. I don't even know why i would lie about this as mafia since no more than 2 of those can even possibly be my scumbuddies. What is the point lol?
Furthermore, when he went into the voting thread, my vote was literally 4 posts above his. I find it incredibly improbable for him to have gone into the voting thread and have missed the D2 vote count thread which should vivax on damdred and me on rels. Actually the more I think about this the more convinced I am rayn is trying to cover his ass.
Sure, you can claim this. See if it sticks...
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oh lol, i didn't actually call him out until when i said i could lynch him.
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On September 13 2018 07:15 Qatol wrote:
If this is what he does as town, what does he do differently as mafia?
prplhz is most likely town because of the post you called him scum for. The one where he says he picks a townie he trusts and then sheeps them, or whatever it was, something along the lines of that. His scumplay is generally a fucking mess where he makes just some irrational points of something that might or might not (usually) even have any resemblance on what is going on in the game. The post in itself is already a good indicator of him being town, him following up on that is even more.
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On September 13 2018 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:oh lol, i didn't actually call him out until when i said i could lynch him.
I kinda did though. Because the "please elaborate" post is a direct predecessor for the post when i call him out. I am just not sure anymore if people can put 1+1 together nowadays.
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On September 13 2018 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What did you want Qatol?
You answered it, but while you're asking, am I correct in thinking your mafia list is Kelsier and Rels? Who is your third?
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you, rels and serge, in that order.
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Kelsier, Rels, RoL
My best guess, in that order.
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Vivax the Vanilla Town has been killed.
It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to vote for your preferred lynch. The deadline is Friday, Sep 14 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Voting is mandatory and must be done in the voting thread.
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On September 13 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
#vote KelsierSC
This is absolutely terrible lmao
Also I have been roleblocked.
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On September 13 2018 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you, rels and serge, in that order.
On September 13 2018 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier, Rels, RoL
My best guess, in that order.
??? What happened here?
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Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible.
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On September 13 2018 08:07 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you, rels and serge, in that order. Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier, Rels, RoL
My best guess, in that order. ??? What happened here?
rly?
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On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible.
very good now explain why my vote is terrible?
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look meapak i think you are town and if you are town us getting into a shitfight isn't gonna win us the game. But you are super annoying and pushing points that are fucking ridiculous and the way i respond to that kinda things is being annoying.
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On September 13 2018 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible. very good now explain why my vote is terrible?
It's very simple. This is lylo. If you are town then you'd be wanting to lynch the person who has the highest probability of being scum. You clearly aren't all that sold on Kels day 2 since you voted damdred at the end of the day. You already have said you think rels is scum who was, from what you've said, a coin flip in your mind with damdred. Why at lylo would you now swing back to kels who you didn't even stick with him D2? If the only thing keeping you from voting rels yesterday was a lack of votes, a townie would be jumping for joy that their second highest scum read was getting attention. Instead you're off with the distract game with Kels.
Look if by some miracle you are town, just vote Rels so we don't lose today.
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Fuck you are so fucking annoying. I am just going to throw the fucking game.
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Like you cant fucking understand anything.
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Or you are mafia. idgaf.
But i can make you not win regardless.
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On September 13 2018 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you cant fucking understand anything.
No I can understand scum motivated play very well. And your frustration with me is making me pretty confident I've got at least 2/3 scum nailed down. I'm not even trying to get you lynched yet and you're going bonkers. Again, you haven't approached any of the last 5/10 pages of conversation with a town oriented mindset. Townies vote for their reads, scum vote for the sake of lynches. Townies understand lylo and the need to lynch highest probability of scum, scum are looking for one last mislynch.
On September 13 2018 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or you are mafia. idgaf.
But i can make you not win regardless.
I think we're done here lol, the rest of the players can read the thread.
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On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible.
What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333?
As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree.
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Just to be clear, ##vote Rels
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I need to sleep right now. Tomorrow i will use for degrading Meapak because i feel very very very annoyed of him. The next day i will be using to find mafia and i dont care if you believe me or not. This is already a lackluster game with people not playing from the beginning and the votes being fucking garbage. For now i will say this:
On September 13 2018 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
If you are town then you'd be wanting to lynch the person who has the highest probability of being scum.
Yeah from D2 you called me mafia for DOING THE EXACT THING YOU NOW CALL ME MAFIA FOR NOT DOING. Like literally, fuck you if you are town. I kinda wanna vote for you because you are being so incredibly contradictional, but then again i dnu if you would ever do that as mafia, because you should know it sounds dumb as shit. And this is not the only instance, you called me mafia because i missed a post, i posted a fucking picture of YOU CASE BASED ON missing a post (which you have not let go) when you yourself couldn't even recognize the post ABOVE the one you called mafia.
Like fucking shit man???? Fuck. And i think you are town, that's the problem. I wish i could just call you mafia and lynch you for the win but i can't, fuck. FUCK!
I need to sleep. Can someone who is town tell this guy why he is being an idiot?
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On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible. What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree.
Ah yes, this one right here:
On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).
I'm nowhere near sold on you being scum but this post did have more substance than most of the other people I've seen call you scum. To be honest your defensiveness over me even bringing it up does kinda give me pause since I've been very clearly about who I want dead over the next two days but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now focus needs to be on rels/rayn.
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WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT OF ME UNVOTING KELSIER UNLESS I AM MAFIA WITH VIVAX??**********************
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as per your case, now tell me ffs, because everything i do is just designed to make me look worse.
Do you even know why people do the things they do as mafia? Or are you just spouting random fucking shit? Like why the fuck do i do what i did and then kill Vivax who doesnt even think i am mafia, do you think that increases my winning chances? Like wtf?
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whatever you are not getting majority on rels unless it is mafia, so take that into account, 100% truth.
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rayn, please calm down. There is no need to talk to anyone like that. All you do is make the game less fun for all of us. We are supposed to be a friendly community at the end of the day, or we don't wind up having a community at all.
All he's asking you to do is vote for someone you already have pegged as scum. Again, this is lylo. Town needs to vote overwhelmingly.
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On September 13 2018 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
as per your case, now tell me ffs, because everything i do is just designed to make me look worse.
Do you even know why people do the things they do as mafia? Or are you just spouting random fucking shit? Like why the fuck do i do what i did and then kill Vivax who doesnt even think i am mafia, do you think that increases my winning chances? Like wtf?
My dude, a) this is WIFOM b) I am pretty confident you're mafia at this point, I'm obviously not going to be able to get you to admit that in thread. On the offchance you're town, vote rels so that we can have another day of play.
And I'm sorry if anything I said came off as personal, I'm really not trying to piss people off, just calling things as I see it. I'll go ahead and step away from the thread to let other people look things over and give some opinions.
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On September 13 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whatever you are not getting majority on rels unless it is mafia, so take that into account, 100% truth.
Awesome. So are you saying it's lynch Kelsier or bust? Or are you only unwilling to vote for Rels now?
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On September 13 2018 08:41 Qatol wrote:
rayn, please calm down. There is no need to talk to anyone like that. All you do is make the game less fun for all of us. We are supposed to be a friendly community at the end of the day, or we don't wind up having a community at all.
[bAll he's asking you to do is vote for someone you already have pegged as scum.[/b Again, this is lylo. Town needs to vote overwhelmingly.
........................................... ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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On September 13 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whatever you are not getting majority on rels unless it is mafia, so take that into account, 100% truth.
There are still 8 people left my dude...
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I am sorry but what are you guys smoking? I am literally voting for someone i have pegged as mafia and i am being called out for it (regardless of my reasoning), just if i do vote for them, or if i dont. I think Kelsier is mafia. For Meapak i am mafia because i did not stick with my vote on Kelsier (which i gave reasoning for), and now i am mafia because i am voting for Kelsier (so i am sticking with it).
Why am i annoyed? Hmm.. idk, you fucking figure...
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On September 13 2018 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whatever you are not getting majority on rels unless it is mafia, so take that into account, 100% truth. There are still 8 people left my dude...
yeah 3 of those are mafia and i am not so 4-4 ends up in either kelsier being scum or lose.
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I am pretty close doing "my way or highway".
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So think about it, i am going to sleep now.
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One more thing, i am sorry if i offended someone. It was not my intention.
I just get really angry when someone tells me i am scum because i did a thing X and then i am scum because i did not do thing X, and i even can't throw it onto their face because i don't think they are mafia.
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On September 13 2018 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am sorry but what are you guys smoking? I am literally voting for someone i have pegged as mafia and i am being called out for it (regardless of my reasoning), just if i do vote for them, or if i dont. I think Kelsier is mafia. For Meapak i am mafia because i did not stick with my vote on Kelsier (which i gave reasoning for), and now i am mafia because i am voting for Kelsier (so i am sticking with it).
Why am i annoyed? Hmm.. idk, you fucking figure...
For people who aren't rayn, here's the difference.
D2, there was almost no consolidation, if rayn had felt this strongly Kelsier was scum, a townie could have put in the effort to try and make a Kelsier lynch happen, the stakes were also lower as it was not lylo, and there was less information to make a decision. Instead rayn switched to damdred (thus indicating he thinks damdred is scummier) but also names rels as someone he'd vote for (thus suggesting rels is scummier as well).
D3, we're at lylo, we already know rayn thinks rels is as scummy as damdred (who he voted for over kelsier) but instead of voting for rels (who he indicated he would have voted for if others wanted to) he goes back to kelsier. The issue is the prioritization is wrong for a townie. He already indicated D2 he thought rels was scummier than Kelsier during the whole damdred lynch. Now that there are several people who also want to lynch rels, a townie would be happy to see their read is finally getting pushed. Instead we have this quasi meltdown over the kelsier vote which ends up sounding like cornered mafia.
The logic between D2 and D3 does not add up.
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Doing a terrible job of stepping away from the thread, my bad, I'm gonna go get some beer.
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Kelsier top 1 mafia
Rels top 2 mafia
Damdred top 2 mafia
I picked Damdred over Rels for the reasons i have staed D2.
Yes, it would be totally logical for me to vote for Rels now.
You caught me, i was also roleblocker, RoL is the godfather and Rels is jsut vanilla mafia.
You can confirm by a cop check.
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I am sorry team i let you down.
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I somehow messed up with my logic between D2 and D3, like a bolt struck me, shit i should call kitaman and tell him to cancel this game from the database.
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I should just have sticked with Kelsier (town) over Damdred (town) so i should not have been seen as defending Vivax (town) into defending Rels (scum). Such a ploy i definitely needed to make happen so noone could catch me and Rels.
I am sorry Rels. I fucked up.
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On September 13 2018 08:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am sorry but what are you guys smoking? I am literally voting for someone i have pegged as mafia and i am being called out for it (regardless of my reasoning), just if i do vote for them, or if i dont. I think Kelsier is mafia. For Meapak i am mafia because i did not stick with my vote on Kelsier (which i gave reasoning for), and now i am mafia because i am voting for Kelsier (so i am sticking with it).
Why am i annoyed? Hmm.. idk, you fucking figure... For people who aren't rayn, here's the difference. D2, there was almost no consolidation, if rayn had felt this strongly Kelsier was scum, a townie could have put in the effort to try and make a Kelsier lynch happen, the stakes were also lower as it was not lylo, and there was less information to make a decision. Instead rayn switched to damdred (thus indicating he thinks damdred is scummier) but also names rels as someone he'd vote for (thus suggesting rels is scummier as well). D3, we're at lylo, we already know rayn thinks rels is as scummy as damdred (who he voted for over kelsier) but instead of voting for rels (who he indicated he would have voted for if others wanted to) he goes back to kelsier. The issue is the prioritization is wrong for a townie. He already indicated D2 he thought rels was scummier than Kelsier during the whole damdred lynch. Now that there are several people who also want to lynch rels, a townie would be happy to see their read is finally getting pushed. Instead we have this quasi meltdown over the kelsier vote which ends up sounding like cornered mafia. The logic between D2 and D3 does not add up.
You are an idiot. Nothing more, nothing less. Just an idiot.
I have no intention in discussing anything with you, unfortunately i think you are town.
I think you should change your perspective when making scumreads. We will see if i was right or not. I know you are not. "Good luck".
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ftr that was an indication i am not gonna waste time on this game anymore.
just fyi
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On September 13 2018 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:41 Qatol wrote:
rayn, please calm down. There is no need to talk to anyone like that. All you do is make the game less fun for all of us. We are supposed to be a friendly community at the end of the day, or we don't wind up having a community at all.
[bAll he's asking you to do is vote for someone you already have pegged as scum.[/b Again, this is lylo. Town needs to vote overwhelmingly. ........................................... ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I meant vote for rels and not kelsier. You said yourself you think rels is mafia, albeit your #2 read. However, this is lylo. We need to focus our votes. I get that you and Meapak are at odds right now. However, you both agree that rels is mafia. All I'm asking is that you follow your reads. Again, this is lylo.
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With that, I unfortunately need to deal with RL stuff for the next day or so. All I can do is ask that town players consider the situation when making their vote. We cannot have the same type of vote that occurred days 1 and 2 happen again. A majority of 3 votes cannot happen.
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On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).
I'm thinking why vivax was killed, he was town read by some and scum read by some, however his major scum read after damdred was Qatol and only activity was saving him.
On September 13 2018 08:27 Qatol wrote:
Just to be clear, ##vote Rels
On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible. What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree.
On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option. I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red).
These quotes show he is setting himself up to lynch whatever AFK is town and win, which is at odds with his previous approach to not lynching AFK's.
These reason and night kill logic almost confirm qatol as mafia
##Vote: Qatol
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I probably won't be around today or at deadline because I have no interest in being there.
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Wait a minute here
Is Holyflare the best player on the site?
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On September 11 2018 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Nothing is happening in D2, literally no one is posting.
The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this"
I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote.
However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet.
Here he says that he is voting for Sergovian but he's down with lynching into some AFK people semi randomly.
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On September 12 2018 00:40 KelsierSC wrote:
I could lynch anyone apart from you and rayn.
Here he says kind of the same, he'll lynch anyone except "you" (Qatol) and raynpelikoneet.
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On September 13 2018 16:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him). I'm thinking why vivax was killed, he was town read by some and scum read by some, however his major scum read after damdred was Qatol and only activity was saving him. Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible. What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree. Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option. I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red). These quotes show he is setting himself up to lynch whatever AFK is town and win, which is at odds with his previous approach to not lynching AFK's. These reason and night kill logic almost confirm qatol as mafia ##Vote: Qatol
Now suddenly he wants to lynch Qatol. Even though Qatol was one of the only two people he didn't want to lynch before and even though the reasonable (setting himself up to lynch semi-arbitrarily into AFK people) was the exact same thing as KelsierSC was doing.
Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone.
I guess this is sort of what raynpelikoneet already complained about but I'm slow.
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On September 13 2018 20:07 prplhz wrote:#316Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Nothing is happening in D2, literally no one is posting.
The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this"
I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote.
However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet.
Here he says that he is voting for Sergovian but he's down with lynching into some AFK people semi randomly. #327Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 00:40 KelsierSC wrote:
I could lynch anyone apart from you and rayn. Here he says kind of the same, he'll lynch anyone except "you" (Qatol) and raynpelikoneet. #537Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 16:25 KelsierSC wrote:On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him). I'm thinking why vivax was killed, he was town read by some and scum read by some, however his major scum read after damdred was Qatol and only activity was saving him. On September 13 2018 08:27 Qatol wrote:
Just to be clear, ##vote Rels On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible. What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree. On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option. I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red). These quotes show he is setting himself up to lynch whatever AFK is town and win, which is at odds with his previous approach to not lynching AFK's. These reason and night kill logic almost confirm qatol as mafia ##Vote: Qatol Now suddenly he wants to lynch Qatol. Even though Qatol was one of the only two people he didn't want to lynch before and even though the reasonable (setting himself up to lynch semi-arbitrarily into AFK people) was the exact same thing as KelsierSC was doing. Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone. I guess this is sort of what raynpelikoneet already complained about but I'm slow.
You think it's bad to think about the game, read other people's post and analyse night kills?
I mean you haven't read any of my posts because I already explained to rayn why I was voting sergio at the BEGINNING of D2.
I didn't want to lynch rayn or qatol at that time because they were the only active people in the game. Then I thought about things, read koshi again. read hf. read vivax's case on qatol and it was the optimal lynch.
I don't know why you are adding in extra bits like "suddenly" I want to kill him. I voted for him d2 and i'm voting the same person again.
Honestly you post is so horrendously awful you are mafia or just unbelievably moronic town.
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Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone.
who were koshi's scumreads d1?
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On September 13 2018 16:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him). I'm thinking why vivax was killed, he was town read by some and scum read by some, however his major scum read after damdred was Qatol and only activity was saving him. Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible. What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree. Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option. I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red). These quotes show he is setting himself up to lynch whatever AFK is town and win, which is at odds with his previous approach to not lynching AFK's. These reason and night kill logic almost confirm qatol as mafia ##Vote: Qatol
I really don't have time for this, but, because the game is literally on the line, I'll try to make this point one more time in the brief moment I have:
This. isn't. helping.
I can't tell if you're scum pushing an obviously false narrative or a townie who has locked in on a misguided read and refuses to think about it any more. If you're the former, I need to prevent you from confusing the actual townies. If you're the latter, because it's lylo, I unfortunately have to persuade you to think about what you're saying, so here goes:
Your argument re: Koshi is reliant upon the assumption that the mafia team felt so threatened by Koshi's early posts towards me that they needed to use a night kill on him to protect me. For once and for all: what did Koshi say that was so threatening? I don't want to hear that he "accused me." That's how you're building up this false assumption in the first place. What. did. he. say? Is it really bad enough that the mafia would be threatened?
Re: HF, again: What. did. he. say? His argument was jumping on me for being uneasy about the lynch train on Kaley (think about it: is that really anti-town?) and a mistaken assumption that I jumped on a bandwagon on Kaley (I didn't).
Here's my point. This entire portion of your argument is based on them having strong, reasonable accusations. The problem is those accusations aren't. You are literally trying to put the entire game on me being scum because the mafia was threatened by Koshi saying I was "too friendly" and a weird, early day 1 deconstruction of a post. I'm not sure even Koshi believed his argument on that one (he certainly stopped posting about it quickly enough).
As far as Vivax goes, aren't you at least a little concerned that he might have been killed because rayn spent the whole night explaining to the thread (and me specifically) why he was basically a confirmed townie? And even if he wasn't confirmed by that discussion, maybe vivax was killed because the mafia wanted to roleblock someone else (meapak) without confirming vivax?
Finally, where did I ever say I supported lynching an AFK? Those quotes don't support that. You're making assumptions to try and support your narrative.
Again, the game is literally on the line. Please think about what you're saying. Your argument is reliant upon false assumptions and falls apart when they are removed.
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To any townies, please vote rels. I really do think Meapak has a decent argument on him and think that lynching him is the best (and only) chance for town to win.
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Think of it this way: if you believe Meapak is town and think his roleblock claim is legit, then the town most likely loses with literally almost any other vote except in the situation where a single vote is placed on a mafia member, unless mafia supports a lynch on their own member.
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lynch who you want, this game is pointless
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@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose.
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Eh, whatever. Maybe we can lynch Qatol.
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i've voted and i'm never moving it so if the game doesn't end I will see you all Sunday.
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It would just be easier if KelsierSC is scum than if Qatol is scum.
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On September 13 2018 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are so fucking annoying. I am just going to throw the fucking game.
yeah anyone who says this and just wants to sew discord and chaos.
##vote Raynpelikoneet"
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On September 13 2018 23:29 Qatol wrote:
Think of it this way: if you believe Meapak is town and think his roleblock claim is legit, then the town most likely loses with literally almost any other vote except in the situation where a single vote is placed on a mafia member, unless mafia supports a lynch on their own member.
It's not instant majority. We have time to discuss stuff.
I'm probably going to focus here.
Day 1
Kaley [3]: Qatol, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Rels
Day 2
Damdred [3]: Vivax, prplhz, raynpelikoneet
I know it is kind of an inactive game, but I imagine among this group the common denominator is scum. As an aside, I voted for him after reading that post I quoted but before I even knew he also ended up being the common denominator on 2 bad lynches.
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On September 14 2018 01:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are so fucking annoying. I am just going to throw the fucking game. yeah anyone who says this and just wants to sew discord and chaos. ##vote Raynpelikoneet"
Seems like a rather brute and unsubtle manner to push a mafia agenda?
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On September 14 2018 01:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 23:29 Qatol wrote:
Think of it this way: if you believe Meapak is town and think his roleblock claim is legit, then the town most likely loses with literally almost any other vote except in the situation where a single vote is placed on a mafia member, unless mafia supports a lynch on their own member. It's not instant majority. We have time to discuss stuff. I'm probably going to focus here. Day 1Kaley [3]: Qatol, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Rels Day 2Damdred [3]: Vivax, prplhz, raynpelikoneet I know it is kind of an inactive game, but I imagine among this group the common denominator is scum. As an aside, I voted for him after reading that post I quoted but before I even knew he also ended up being the common denominator on 2 bad lynches.
Then tell me what were the "good lynches" i should have participated in?
Also your argument is easily debunked by the following:
On September 09 2018 07:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
Kaley [3]: Qatol, raynpelikoneet, Rels Koshi [1]: Sergiovan raynpelikoneet [1]: Kaley Vivax [1]: KelsierSC Holyflare [1]: Koshi RebirthOfLeGenD [1]: Vivax Qatol [1]: Koshi, Holyflare Not Voting [4]: Meapak_Ziphh, RebirthOfLeGenD, Damdred, prplhz
On September 12 2018 07:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 2 Vote Count
Damdred [3]: Vivax, prplhz, raynpelikoneet Vivax [2]: Qatol, Sergiovan Qatol [1]: Rels Rels [1]: Meapak_Ziphh Not Voting [3]: RebirthOfLeGendD, Damdred, KelsierSC
I greened the confirmed townies who weren't lynched on D1 and D2, but were voted (also you because i assume you consider or pretend to consider yourself as town). For your argument to make any sense at all there must be a mafia player i am "protecting" (aka voting for someone to lynch them over my teammate), otherwise the "common nominator" theory doesn't make any sense since i don't really have to stick my neck out as mafia. We can clearly see that is not the case here, because on D1 i could have voted maybe 5 different people over Kaley to not stick my neck out (not even counting the inactives), and on D2 the only other viable wagon to get lynched was Vivax (who was town) at the time i voted for Damdred.
So like... your theory does not hold any water, i don't really know what your theory is to be exact because you just took two lynches and my name which was on both and called me mafia for it. Pro tip, just because someone voted for someone doesn't make them mafia, and you have never explained why me voting for anyone makes me mafia.
I don't really care to argue about things like this because there is no argument at all. Idk, this isn't as bad as Meapak's argument where he just builds his own world and accuses me while everything i have said and done contradicts the world he has created.... That's like.. idk delusional lol.
I actually want to know why Qatol, while being in the thread when Meapak was posting his bs didn't care AT ALL about cutting that shit off. Literally, almost every single thing he posted about me on page 24-26 is factually incorrect or results in some unbelieveable way into "strengthening" his self-created narrative that doesn't even make any sense at all if you have read any of my posts.
Also why is his case on rels good? Because i don't really think it is good at all. There are a lot of huge problems in that case but i will let Rels answer him and not give him answers.
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On September 13 2018 23:42 prplhz wrote:
It would just be easier if KelsierSC is scum than if Qatol is scum.
I don't understand why Kelsier is doing the whole "whatever I give up" thing." I have never read that play as frustrated town. Basically his entire case on Qatol is based around the NKs which is honestly just speculation. I mean Vivax was most likely killed since he was essentially confirmed town. Vivax hadn't even pushed Qatol or been active in the two irl days prior to getting killed so I have a hard time believing this speculation that he was killed bc he was onto something big. Like read Vivax's filter, he does not come off as someone who is gunning to kill Qatol. If we're gonna speculate on the NKs I find it a much higher chance it was bc he was quasi confirmed due to the RB claim. I don't think Kelsier is scum bc it would be an odd play for rayn to be bussing him this hard at lylo but I just don't find the Qatol case convincing for a lylo lynch.
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Maybe Meapak is just mafia.
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On September 14 2018 22:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 23:42 prplhz wrote:
It would just be easier if KelsierSC is scum than if Qatol is scum. I don't understand why Kelsier is doing the whole "whatever I give up" thing." I have never read that play as frustrated town. Basically his entire case on Qatol is based around the NKs which is honestly just speculation.
True.
I mean Vivax was most likely killed since he was essentially confirmed town. Vivax hadn't even pushed Qatol or been active in the two irl days prior to getting killed so I have a hard time believing this speculation that he was killed bc he was onto something big. Like read Vivax's filter, he does not come off as someone who is gunning to kill Qatol. If we're gonna speculate on the NKs I find it a much higher chance it was bc he was quasi confirmed due to the RB claim.
So you think Vivax was killed because he was confirmed town due to being roleblocked, except that your top 2 scumread was the only one who even entertained the thought, and you are essentially claiming that "rayn pushed the Vivax is confirmed town bcz of roleblock (which noone even believed", then rayn decided that "oh shit my tem needs to kill Vivax because he is confirmed town (which again noone in the game believed)", then you discount everything Kelsier said about Vivax while you don't believe it and still call me mafia because of something that doesn't make any sense at all in any world.
I don't think Kelsier is scum bc it would be an odd play for rayn to be bussing him this hard at lylo but I just don't find the Qatol case convincing for a lylo lynch.
The only reason you don't think Kelsier is scum is because i am scum which i have to be because Rels is scum. So there is that, that's incredibly idiotic. The individual "case" on me you did is already debunked because i don't need to even say anything about it since anyone who is reading the thread can tell your foundation of the case is just 100% false.
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Like you literally can't come into the thread and say i am 90% mafia JUST because i missed a vote in a voting thread somewhere (which is what you are saying) when you yourself missed a vote RIGHT ABOVE MINE, and discount THAT vote and use that (incorrect) narrative to call me mafia (when i literally proved you wrong with a fucking picture of the voting thread.
And that is a fact.
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well you can but that just makes you an idiot or mafia.
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On September 14 2018 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 22:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I mean Vivax was most likely killed since he was essentially confirmed town. Vivax hadn't even pushed Qatol or been active in the two irl days prior to getting killed so I have a hard time believing this speculation that he was killed bc he was onto something big. Like read Vivax's filter, he does not come off as someone who is gunning to kill Qatol. If we're gonna speculate on the NKs I find it a much higher chance it was bc he was quasi confirmed due to the RB claim. So you think Vivax was killed because he was confirmed town due to being roleblocked, except that your top 2 scumread was the only one who even entertained the thought, and you are essentially claiming that "rayn pushed the Vivax is confirmed town bcz of roleblock (which noone even believed", then rayn decided that "oh shit my tem needs to kill Vivax because he is confirmed town (which again noone in the game believed)", then you discount everything Kelsier said about Vivax while you don't believe it and still call me mafia because of something that doesn't make any sense at all in any world. Can anyone understand how incredibly stupid this is especially since Vivax was the second most voted wagon D2?
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On September 09 2018 07:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
Kaley [3]: Qatol, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Rels Koshi [1]: Sergiovan raynpelikoneet [1]: KaleyVivax [1]: Koshi, KelsierSC Holyflare 1]: KoshiRebirthOfLeGenD [1]: VivaxQatol [1]: Koshi, HolyflareNot Voting [4]: Meapak_Ziphh, RebirthOfLeGenD, Damdred, prplhz
Kaley is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Saturday, Sep 08 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.
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On September 12 2018 07:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 2 Vote Count
Damdred [3]: Vivax,prplhz, raynpelikoneet Vivax [2]: Qatol, Sergiovan Qatol [1]: prplhz, Rels KelsierSC [0]: raynpelikoneetRels [1]: Meapak_Ziphh Sergiovan [0]: KelsierSCNot Voting [3]: RebirthOfLeGendD, Damdred, KelsierSC
Damdred is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Tuesday, Sep 11 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.
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The above two vote counts show that we haven’t had a true wagon emerge on scum this whole game, the most votes any possible scum has had at EOD is one.
Based on that my vote analysis is lacking at best. There was no impetus for any scum member to vote one way or another during d1 or d2.
There is also no impetus for scum to vote any particular way now, d3 with each wagon having less than or equal to two votes. We need to consolidate our votes on only two targets for this lynch so that we actually have a chance of winning.
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Rayn: the point was to help me see what’s happened thus far and try to work out the next step
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On September 15 2018 01:29 Sergiovan wrote:
The above two vote counts show that we haven’t had a true wagon emerge on scum this whole game, the most votes any possible scum has had at EOD is one.
Based on that my vote analysis is lacking at best. There was no impetus for any scum member to vote one way or another during d1 or d2.
There is also no impetus for scum to vote any particular way now, d3 with each wagon having less than or equal to two votes. We need to consolidate our votes on only two targets for this lynch so that we actually have a chance of winning.
yes, it is exactly what i am saying so how are you feeling on Meapak?
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I have a gut town read on Meapak but I have to filter dive him again now
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I’m pretty sure Kelsier is town
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I am waiting on your report on "why".
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You can surely tell why Kelsier is town by now, no?
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prplhz can you vote for Kelsier instead, please?
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You madea case on him... It was good and accurateand he didn't respond towards it like he should if he is town, he just said he will fuck off.
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RoL your vote isn't doing shit right now, tell epople to join you aka up your case or vote for the other wagons. You probably wont do it because you are probably scum and that tells me the lynch rn is going to be shit.... can people vote for Kelsier please?
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Okay, I am back, and am incredibly disappointed with what I'm seeing (i.e., no real focus). Let me make this simple, because the town really only has 3 options:
1) Support Meapak's read of Rels
2) Convince Meapak and every other townie to vote for someone else
3) Vote for me
Considering the level of activity in the thread, #2 is extremely unlikely. Here's something else that should help on this point: I won't support a lynch of rayn. His actions on day 3 don't make sense for mafia. I'll explain more in a follow-up post in a moment.
As far as #3 goes, if you honestly believe the arguments being made, then, by all means vote me. But, I cannot emphasize this enough, read the arguments. Don't just focus on the fact that so-and-so "accused me." This is lazy, bad play. If, after reading everything, you still feel like I'm mafia (and then you probably need to reevaluate how you read people after the game), then, by all means. At least you approached things with the right mindset, even if you reached the wrong conclusion. Anything less is giving the game to the mafia.
Hopefully you will rule out #3 as an option as well. That means the town's only chance is a vote for Rels.
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we only need every other townie (if meapak is town it doesnt matter).
why are you so sure he is town?
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and once again tell me what is os good in the argument on rels?
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also tell me why you let the shit argument run around in the thread?
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On September 14 2018 07:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 3 Vote Count
Rels [2]: Qatol, Meapak_Ziphh Qatol [2]: KelsierSC, prplhz KelsierSC [1]: raynpelikoneet Raynpelikoneet [1]: RebirthOfLeGenD Not Voting [2]: Rels, Sergiovan
Rels is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Friday, Sep 14 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.
It is literally incorrect to say there is no other lynch than Rels or you.
Literally.
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Meapak came into the thread late but with an open mindset trying to find scum in a different way than anyone else had up to that point, his post #450 looks really townie to me as it shows what he is thinking about every player and why with the use of a heuristic that makes sense to me. His attempts to discern Alignments from voting patterns are townie as well though, based on my above vote analysis, I don’t think we can find scum that way today.
I’m sticking to my town read there.
Kelsier strikes me as town as well, his play around Kaley d1 felt genuine in that he was annoyed but didn’t find her role playing alignment indicative which is the correct read for a townie in my mind.
Kelsier has been involved in the thread as it moves and is posting quick thoughts and snippets which I think is hard for scum to do. His early game especially shows him being really careless with his posting that just doesn’t seem possible from scum.
Again I think Kelsier is town.
My town right now is Qatol, Meapak and Kelsier with three scum in RoL, Rels, Rayn and Prplhz. In something like that order of likeliness. I will probably end up sheeping Meapak and Qatol onto Rels today since that is the only way I feel that we can insure a town controlled lynch.
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So Rayn, do you have Prplhz as scum as well as Kelsier?
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well whatever, who do you wanna vote for?
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i went to read your filter and nvm on Kelsier, i just think you are wrong and i am right.
Which is bad, but i cant reall do anything about it.
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On September 15 2018 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
we only need every other townie (if meapak is town it doesnt matter).
why are you so sure he is town?
Let me make the voting simple for everyone, because town!meapak does matter:
town!meapak votes town!rels
every other townie votes the same scum (4 votes total)
all 3 mafia vote town!rels (4 votes total)
You're now looking at tiebreakers to determine the game.
Do you really think the town is going to coordinate itself on a single scum faster than the mafia coordinates itself on town!rels?
As far as my read on Meapak goes, it's related to my read on you, which is a longer post. Don't worry, it's coming.
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I am not sure but i think you have maybe 70% chance of having to throw the game with your vote.
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Do you Rayn think Prplhz is mafia y/n?
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On September 15 2018 02:11 Sergiovan wrote:
Do you Rayn think Prplhz is mafia y/n?
no, why do you even ask?
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Rayn - I will not vote Kelsier today. Your vote is bad and you should feel bad
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On September 15 2018 02:14 Sergiovan wrote:
Rayn - I will not vote Kelsier today. Your vote is bad and you should feel bad
i disagree and i disagree.
care to explain why?
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purplehaze you really need to come in here and reconsider your vote, please.
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pfff idk, game is already most likely lost because rol is being an idiot
whatever
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I think Qatol is mafia btw, and Meapak is no longer town for the shit he has produced
Rels is not mafia.
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Qatol cant be mafia with Meapak for all i know.
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fuck why dont you guys want to vote for Kelsier?
Like what is the reason, you are just bnanging on someone based on a shit case?
pfffffffffffff.......... Maybe rels is mafia, but maybe he isnt.
kelsier is however
like he literally made two sets of reads (his own -- and the one based on night kills) and he played with the deck he found more comfrotable.... townies do their own choises, right or wrong.
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## unvote
## vote kelsiersc
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Because I won’t vote Kelsier and you think Prplhz is town which means there is a zero percent chance you can get a town controlled lynch on Kelsier since Prplhz is voting with Kelsier he clearly won’t vote for him. Therefore your vote is bad because you will only be able to lynch Kelsier if he is town.
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yeah idk why prplhz is voting with his scumread. i am sorry i havent had time to pay attention to this game as much i wanted to.
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Kelsier’s posts simply aren’t from a scum mindset, look at how careless he is. Bad townie makes way more sense than any other explanation for his behavior. Read what I wrote about him, go look at his early game again; the way he thinks means he cannot be the most likely scum in this game
Don’t vote Qatol. That’s a terrible vote.
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Okay, talking about Rayn. First of all, let's talk about his actions on day 3. What has he done so far in day 3? He continued to push for a lynch on his strongest scumread, Kelsier, and has since been raging at/defending himself against pressure from Meapak and RoL.
Stop and think for one moment. What is the mafia's goal today? It's pretty simple: it's mylo, so they want a mislynch at all costs. As Sergio pointed out, the most votes any potential mafioso has had the whole game is one. They haven't exactly been pressured very hard. In other words, the town has basically been self destructing the whole game on its own. With all of that in mind, what is the best way to go about getting one more townie lynch? By waiting for a small bandwagon to form on someone they know is town and then to jump on it. Even better if the townie they are voting with happens to be relatively inactive. All they have to do is make sure that they follow the townie in a way that doesn't make the townie suspicious.
So, with that in mind, what would be the absolute worst thing the mafia could do? Getting in a big argument with a townie, drawing attention to every little thing they have possibly done that is even remotely suspicious seems pretty awful. That's an easy way to make themselves an easy lynch candidate in a town as swingy as this one!
So why would rayn or Meapak do something like that? They aren't even pushing for lynches on each other right now! The answer is pretty simple. Additionally, Meapak has claimed to be roleblocked and nobody has counterclaimed. This doesn't make him 100% town on its own, but it should carry significant weight.
On top of that, the mafia shouldn't be feeling a huge amount of urgency. Why would they? Although this is mylo, they haven't even lost any members yet! Plus, as I mentioned above, none of them have ever received more than a single vote.
As far as the voting analysis of rayn goes, it's completely bogus. Day 1, rayn was voting for someone who was accusing him and literally doing nothing else constructive, even after being asked to meaningfully contribute. Nothing obviously scummy about that. Day 2, rayn had a strong townread on vivax. When the vote was winding down, vivax was the lynch, and there clearly wasn't going to be a switch to rayn's favored target, Kelsier. Rayn saw the vote as being between someone he was sure was town (vivax) or someone he wasn't sure on (damdred). It makes perfect sense that town!rayn would switch.
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On September 15 2018 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
also tell me why you let the shit argument run around in the thread?
Frankly, you're right and I should have made more of an effort to stop it. You will note that I made a halfhearted effort to stop it here:
On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him.
I fully realize this isn't a defense of you, which I should have posted, but all I can do on this point is plead lack of clear thought (if you must know, I have to do things that aggravate a serious spinal condition and it means I'm not sleeping very well). I'm running on a full 10 hours of sleep now, however, and am hoping it helps.
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So Qatol, from that I gather that you read Rayn and Meapak as town, yes?
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On September 15 2018 02:38 Sergiovan wrote:
Kelsier’s posts simply aren’t from a scum mindset, look at how careless he is. Bad townie makes way more sense than any other explanation for his behavior. Read what I wrote about him, go look at his early game again; the way he thinks means he cannot be the most likely scum in this game
Don’t vote Qatol. That’s a terrible vote.
every read kelsier has given so far HIMSELF has been debunked by himself becaue of "who died". Do you think that is the way to play as town? Do you think that is how he plays as town, because i know he doesnt?
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On September 15 2018 02:56 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
also tell me why you let the shit argument run around in the thread? Frankly, you're right and I should have made more of an effort to stop it. You will note that I made a halfhearted effort to stop it here: Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. I fully realize this isn't a defense of you, which I should have posted, but all I can do on this point is plead lack of clear thought (if you must know, I have to do things that aggravate a serious spinal condition and it means I'm not sleeping very well). I'm running on a full 10 hours of sleep now, however, and am hoping it helps.
I am not asking you to defend myself, i am actually curious why did you let his argument run around because of the fact it is beneficial for mafia in case he is town.
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I don’t know how he plays but I think his behavior makes more sense from a bad town than a scum it’s about how he thinks not what he thinks
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Qatol: Meapak’s RB claim is total WIFOM. Scum could easily have not sent a RB and claimed it themselves. I think Meapak appears townie but that isn’t a good reason to think so
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On September 15 2018 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck why dont you guys want to vote for Kelsier?
Like what is the reason, you are just bnanging on someone based on a shit case?
pfffffffffffff.......... Maybe rels is mafia, but maybe he isnt.
kelsier is however
like he literally made two sets of reads (his own -- and the one based on night kills) and he played with the deck he found more comfrotable.... townies do their own choises, right or wrong.
My reluctance to vote for Kelsier comes down to 2 posts:
On September 12 2018 00:40 KelsierSC wrote:
I could lynch anyone apart from you and rayn.
(directed at me)
Followed, after being pushed a bit more, by:
On September 12 2018 01:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Because I can see the scenario where Koshi is lynched either for role because he scum reads qatol and it makes hf/sergio look bad in the process. But then HF dies unexpectedly and now Qatol is kind of fucked.
If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is.
##Vote: Qatol
(Underline added by me)
That's a pretty fearless statement to make for a townie, going against your reads like that. I think what happened is he got frustrated by me pushing him on his scumreads (I was trying to get him to realize that maybe he shouldn't give so much weight to the reads of Koshi and HF) and decided he would trust players that he perceives as being better than him. You should know that this phenomenon isn't especially uncommon for townies, especially with a townie who feels like they aren't especially good at the game. I'm hoping that means that other people in the thread can persuade him to change his mind; my conversations with Kelsier since then have clearly proven that I cannot do that.
I'm not saying it isn't possible he is mafia. It's entirely possible he's only pretending to be a tunneling townie. However, I've seen the phenomenon too often to be sure. That's why I would prefer not to vote for him today.
If you can build up enough support for him today to get a lynch through, I'll support it. However, because sergio and meapak are also against it, and I think a scumteam of meapak/sergio/Kelsier is very unlikely, that means that we need to focus on someone else right now.
Remember, the most important thing right now is to get the town coordinated on a single person they all think is likely scum.
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On September 15 2018 02:57 Sergiovan wrote:
So Qatol, from that I gather that you read Rayn and Meapak as town, yes?
Yes
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Qatol would you, or would you able to make these posts as mafia, on this page?
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So you have three scum in me, Rels, RoL and Prplhz. Yes?
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Which of RoL and Prplhz do you have as scummier?
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On September 15 2018 03:06 Sergiovan wrote:
Qatol: Meapak’s RB claim is total WIFOM. Scum could easily have not sent a RB and claimed it themselves. I think Meapak appears townie but that isn’t a good reason to think so
Notice that my read isn't really based on that. I'm just pointing out that it's an additional thing that would have had to happen for scum!meapak to be true. Let me take this a step further. Think about who the mafia shot last night. Again, rayn spent a decent chunk of the night explaining why vivax was extremely likely town. I think they were worried enough about a potential medic that setting up the claim by meapak wouldn't be worth it. And again, this is just a supporting point to my main argument anyways.
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About Kelsier, who are you taking about in this part:
That's a pretty fearless statement to make for a townie, going against your reads like that
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Yeah not disagreeing on the read as a whole, just don’t like that aspect of the reasoning.
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On September 15 2018 03:20 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 03:06 Sergiovan wrote:
Qatol: Meapak’s RB claim is total WIFOM. Scum could easily have not sent a RB and claimed it themselves. I think Meapak appears townie but that isn’t a good reason to think so Notice that my read isn't really based on that. I'm just pointing out that it's an additional thing that would have had to happen for scum!meapak to be true. Let me take this a step further. Think about who the mafia shot last night. Again, rayn spent a decent chunk of the night explaining why vivax was extremely likely town. I think they were worried enough about a potential medic that setting up the claim by meapak wouldn't be worth it. And again, this is just a supporting point to my main argument anyways.
I think you are misrepping a bit here. Probably 70% of the game (my guess since i didnt talk with anyone except for you and meapak) were afk when i was around at nightphase.
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I mean if either of you is not mafia, then killing Vivax doesn't really tell anything (well at least what you are saying).
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On September 15 2018 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Qatol would you, or would you able to make these posts as mafia, on this page?
I doubt it. Mafia!Qatol wouldn't be so eager to call attention to this being mylo. Mafia!Qatol also wouldn't be so worried about not splitting the vote. There simply wouldn't be the same urgency.
If you really want insight into mafia!Qatol, after the one game I was scum, I did a full writeup on the game including my thought process here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/92894-qatols-mafia-vii-experience
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On September 15 2018 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You madea case on him... It was good and accurateand he didn't respond towards it like he should if he is town, he just said he will fuck off.
Shameless pocketing,... will I fall for it before going out?
I think I just might.
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On September 15 2018 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 03:20 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 03:06 Sergiovan wrote:
Qatol: Meapak’s RB claim is total WIFOM. Scum could easily have not sent a RB and claimed it themselves. I think Meapak appears townie but that isn’t a good reason to think so Notice that my read isn't really based on that. I'm just pointing out that it's an additional thing that would have had to happen for scum!meapak to be true. Let me take this a step further. Think about who the mafia shot last night. Again, rayn spent a decent chunk of the night explaining why vivax was extremely likely town. I think they were worried enough about a potential medic that setting up the claim by meapak wouldn't be worth it. And again, this is just a supporting point to my main argument anyways. I think you are misrepping a bit here. Probably 70% of the game (my guess since i didnt talk with anyone except for you and meapak) were afk when i was around at nightphase.
I'm not sure what I'm misrepresenting. This actually isn't saying anything about you other than you pointed out that vivax was unlikely to be mafia. I'm not saying it was scummy. I'm not actually even saying it was pro-town. All I'm saying is you made a relatively persuasive argument for vivax being almost confirmed town, and that it's likely that at least some townies would be persuaded by it. That makes vivax both a good target for the mafia night kill but also a good target for a medic. Because he's a good medic target, the mafia are less likely to try and use the roleblock to establish their own credibility.
Again, my main point has to do with how the two of you acted at the beginning of Day 3 not fitting what I would expect from the mafia team.
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On September 15 2018 03:34 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You madea case on him... It was good and accurateand he didn't respond towards it like he should if he is town, he just said he will fuck off. Shameless pocketing,... will I fall for it before going out? I think I just might.
I am just trying to get you put your money where your mouth is.
You can think it as pocketing, idc.
If you do then do something else and be clear of what you do because if you are town we don't have a chance of people voting off wagon.
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I just read through that but I’m not sure how much insight I can give since it was a two family pms allowed game almost a decade ago
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On September 15 2018 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:About Kelsier, who are you taking about in this part: Show nested quote +That's a pretty fearless statement to make for a townie, going against your reads like that ?
I'm talking about Kelsier. Let me try and say this a different way: I think that only a townie would act in such a fearless manner. I think a mafioso would be much more concerned about being lynched for obviously going against their reads like that.
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Will try to phonepost.
KelsierSC or bust.
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On September 15 2018 03:36 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 03:20 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 03:06 Sergiovan wrote:
Qatol: Meapak’s RB claim is total WIFOM. Scum could easily have not sent a RB and claimed it themselves. I think Meapak appears townie but that isn’t a good reason to think so Notice that my read isn't really based on that. I'm just pointing out that it's an additional thing that would have had to happen for scum!meapak to be true. Let me take this a step further. Think about who the mafia shot last night. Again, rayn spent a decent chunk of the night explaining why vivax was extremely likely town. I think they were worried enough about a potential medic that setting up the claim by meapak wouldn't be worth it. And again, this is just a supporting point to my main argument anyways. I think you are misrepping a bit here. Probably 70% of the game (my guess since i didnt talk with anyone except for you and meapak) were afk when i was around at nightphase. I'm not sure what I'm misrepresenting. This actually isn't saying anything about you other than you pointed out that vivax was unlikely to be mafia. I'm not saying it was scummy. I'm not actually even saying it was pro-town. All I'm saying is you made a relatively persuasive argument for vivax being almost confirmed town, and that it's likely that at least some townies would be persuaded by it. That makes vivax both a good target for the mafia night kill but also a good target for a medic. Because he's a good medic target, the mafia are less likely to try and use the roleblock to establish their own credibility. Again, my main point has to do with how the two of you acted at the beginning of Day 3 not fitting what I would expect from the mafia team.
I mean the fact that when i started talking about Vivax being town, from what i remember noone else was in the thread anymore except for you and Meapak. So either it points towards one or two of you, or noone (by default -- i am not saying it does, because it is a crapshot argumet in itself).
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On September 15 2018 03:39 prplhz wrote:
Will try to phonepost.
KelsierSC or bust.
i agree.
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Prplhz! Welcome back to the thread.
Please be aware that if you are town we don’t have the option of splitting our votes. We need to vote as four fifths of a single block and I believe that means that we have to vote Rels with Meapak and Qatol
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can someone tell why meapak's case on rels is good?
can everyone who is not on rels or kelsier either vote for those two or argue why their case is better?
pleasE?
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On September 15 2018 03:42 Sergiovan wrote:
Jesus christ
i dont trust your "wow so careless and not scummy" on both Kelsier and prplhz. like you gave me reasons why i should scumread prplhz didn't you? why don't you scumread him yourself for it, and simply write it off because of "wow so careless" or whatever......??????????
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On September 15 2018 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can someone tell why meapak's case on rels is good?
can everyone who is not on rels or kelsier either vote for those two or argue why their case is better?
pleasE?
Give me a sec, I'll explain why I have a scumread on rels. The short version is that he dogpiled on me with a super crappy argument, which is exactly what I expected to see from scum.
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I know he dogpiled onto you on a super crappy argumetn, but i dont thin that makes him mafia.
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i dont wanna hear it, i wanna hear why Kelsier is not mafia for you.
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I don’t have a town read on Prplhz are you even reading?
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On September 15 2018 03:53 Sergiovan wrote:
I don’t have a town read on Prplhz are you even reading?
i did not say you townread him, i asked why you don't scumread him for it?
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On September 15 2018 03:42 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz! Welcome back to the thread.
Please be aware that if you are town we don’t have the option of splitting our votes. We need to vote as four fifths of a single block and I believe that means that we have to vote Rels with Meapak and Qatol
and this does not sound like a scumread at all.
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I have him as a potential member of the scum team it’s either him or you and I’m not sure which
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i am interested in who are the rest 2
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I’m not confident on Prplhz. If he is town he needs to help town and it’s like a 50% chance that he is. Notice I’ve been engaging you in the thread too, that doesn’t mean I have a town read on you.
One of you is town and engaging you is the best play for town so that information enters the thread and is present even if I’m night killed
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On September 15 2018 03:59 Sergiovan wrote:
I’m not confident on Prplhz. If he is town he needs to help town and it’s like a 50% chance that he is. Notice I’ve been engaging you in the thread too, that doesn’t mean I have a town read on you.
One of you is town and engaging you is the best play for town so that information enters the thread and is present even if I’m night killed
ofc, i get that, i am not blaming you for any of that.
Why am i mafia?
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you have been scumreading me pretty much all game, your reasons have been on peole who i scumread, who have pretty much all turned up town, so... why?
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can you people vote for Kelsier?
or if you do not, tell why someone else over him.
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On September 15 2018 02:01 Sergiovan wrote:
Meapak came into the thread late but with an open mindset trying to find scum in a different way than anyone else had up to that point, his post #450 looks really townie to me as it shows what he is thinking about every player and why with the use of a heuristic that makes sense to me. His attempts to discern Alignments from voting patterns are townie as well though, based on my above vote analysis, I don’t think we can find scum that way today.
I’m sticking to my town read there.
Kelsier strikes me as town as well, his play around Kaley d1 felt genuine in that he was annoyed but didn’t find her role playing alignment indicative which is the correct read for a townie in my mind.
Kelsier has been involved in the thread as it moves and is posting quick thoughts and snippets which I think is hard for scum to do. His early game especially shows him being really careless with his posting that just doesn’t seem possible from scum.
Again I think Kelsier is town.
My town right now is Qatol, Meapak and Kelsier with three scum in RoL, Rels, Rayn and Prplhz. In something like that order of likeliness. I will probably end up sheeping Meapak and Qatol onto Rels today since that is the only way I feel that we can insure a town controlled lynch.
Rayn: I haven’t had a read on you the whole game, your play hasn’t been alignment indicative to me. I currently have you on my potential scum list by process of elimination. But your inability to read my friggin posts isn’t helping your case.
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On September 15 2018 04:12 Sergiovan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 02:01 Sergiovan wrote:
Meapak came into the thread late but with an open mindset trying to find scum in a different way than anyone else had up to that point, his post #450 looks really townie to me as it shows what he is thinking about every player and why with the use of a heuristic that makes sense to me. His attempts to discern Alignments from voting patterns are townie as well though, based on my above vote analysis, I don’t think we can find scum that way today.
I’m sticking to my town read there.
Kelsier strikes me as town as well, his play around Kaley d1 felt genuine in that he was annoyed but didn’t find her role playing alignment indicative which is the correct read for a townie in my mind.
Kelsier has been involved in the thread as it moves and is posting quick thoughts and snippets which I think is hard for scum to do. His early game especially shows him being really careless with his posting that just doesn’t seem possible from scum.
Again I think Kelsier is town.
My town right now is Qatol, Meapak and Kelsier with three scum in RoL, Rels, Rayn and Prplhz. In something like that order of likeliness. I will probably end up sheeping Meapak and Qatol onto Rels today since that is the only way I feel that we can insure a town controlled lynch. Rayn: I haven’t had a read on you the whole game, your play hasn’t been alignment indicative to me. I currently have you on my potential scum list by process of elimination. But your inability to read my friggin posts isn’t helping your case.
you called me mafia so you must be lying.
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wait hmm.. no you actually didn't.
why am i not mafia?
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I’m not confident that you aren’t
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fuck hahah^^
oh god you are prolly town :D
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On September 15 2018 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait hmm.. no you actually didn't.
why am i not mafia?
if i was mafia i think i would never be able to answer this post as a townie does lol.
fine
who is mafia? gimme your three. we discuss.
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On September 15 2018 04:19 Sergiovan wrote:
I’m not confident that you aren’t
for further this is the best post i have ever read on this forum
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As I mentioned in post #606, I think the mafia are basically on cruise control right now. Anyone who has been reading the thread (or at least who has looked at Meapak's post #450) knows that I am on the scumlist of literally almost everyone. Regardless of what you think about my alignment, this makes me an easy target for scum "contributions." I expected to see scum dogpile on me at some point, probably adding more poorly considered fuel to the fire. As you know, basically everyone in the game has been piling on me with various arguments, some more reasoned than others. That makes it extremely likely that the mafia shows up in there somewhere. However, in day 2, only two people really added new content to the fire: Vivax (which was why I scumread him day 2) and Rels.
In particular, Rels's accusation was as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:On the other hand I see NOONE except someone looking actively for blues reading this post: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town. And thinking: "mm yeah this person is 90% blue" And THEN making this post: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 15:42 Qatol wrote:
I agree that Koshi isn't really contributing very seriously and he should be looked at as a more serious lynch candidate in the near future. His posts generally are not helping the town, with the possible exception of his halfhearted stabs at me, which at least potentially foster discussion. However, I don't agree with calling him scummy for not posting his town reads, at least if those townies are not under threat of lynch and he himself is not about to die. Oh yeah. Really 90% sure Koshi was town at that point.
In other words, his "contribution" was that it isn't pro-town to look for blues. However, as anyone who looks for mafia by evaluating how nervous they appear would know, a huge part of that is distinguishing blues from reds (because both will act nervous when pressured). Plus, sometimes people just make posts that make you think they have a role. If anything, in the context of a discussion about why Koshi was killed, me revealing that I had a blue read on him is more likely to make me town than mafia. However, when I pointed that out to him, instead of thinking about the argument like you would expect from a townie trying to contribute, he instead mindlessly doubles down and tries to make it a blue hunting competition:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 07:55 Rels wrote:
you got lucky with your unlikely assumption being right
or maybe you really caught him with his posts asking for advice during the night
but that post is not a blueslip, and no VT would think it is
However, at this point, he has justified his crappy vote.
So at this point, I'm already not loving what he has done, but maybe his other contributions to the thread have something that redeems him?
Day 1, he's trying not to get into arguments with anyone. Instead, his posts are either defenses of Vivax or him talking about various people he thinks are probably townie (sergio, rayn, koshi, and kelsier). As Meapak pointed out in post #349, he isn't taking sides with people who are arguing against each other, which is unusual. Instead, he thinks they're all town.
Night 2, he only discusses modkills and a quick support for rayn.
These look like the type of posts I'm expecting out of mafia. He's doing his very best to avoid any sort of controversy while at the same time not really contributing. Literally the only potentially redeeming things I can find in his filter at all are his defense of Vivax (which doesn't bring him under fire) and him being confused about Koshi flipping blue (but this is a mistake scum could easily make).
I also like Meapak's point from post #349 that Rels lazily jumped on the bandwagon for Kaley, mostly in the spirit of "punishing poor town play." (Only excerpt copied below)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 02:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. During those 30 minutes I read the game. Sergio's angryness makes no sense as scum in my opinion. Kaley has chosen to play in a way that makes her very hard to read. Fair enough. But when pushed for it, she doubled down and did it more strongly. I can see this strategy coming more from scum (kinda like "they wouldn't believe scum would continue roleplaying in my position"). Could also come from stubborn town but for now she's the more likely to flip scum. His reasoning for lynching Kaley is that he/she was hard to read? That's just lazy town play, not scumhunting. Killing someone for roleplaying is a super low percentage policy lynch move which is both apathetic and ineffective as it gives no real information. But it sure is an easy position for a scum to hop on and defend bc they wanted to "punish poor town play." But folks our goal is to catch mafia, not punish bad townplay.
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Sorry, I write slowly. I'm trying not to mess up the TL spoiler and quote functions again too, which almost happened 3 or 4 different times in there. And you are slightly incorrect, his "bluehunting" posts were all made after that post.
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So Qatol which of me/RoL/Prplhz is town?
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On September 15 2018 04:28 Qatol wrote:As I mentioned in post #606, I think the mafia are basically on cruise control right now. Anyone who has been reading the thread (or at least who has looked at Meapak's post #450) knows that I am on the scumlist of literally almost everyone. Regardless of what you think about my alignment, this makes me an easy target for scum "contributions." I expected to see scum dogpile on me at some point, probably adding more poorly considered fuel to the fire. As you know, basically everyone in the game has been piling on me with various arguments, some more reasoned than others. That makes it extremely likely that the mafia shows up in there somewhere. However, in day 2, only two people really added new content to the fire: Vivax (which was why I scumread him day 2) and Rels. In particular, Rels's accusation was as follows: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:On the other hand I see NOONE except someone looking actively for blues reading this post: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.
I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.
I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.
Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.
Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.
I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town. And thinking: "mm yeah this person is 90% blue" And THEN making this post: Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 15:42 Qatol wrote:
I agree that Koshi isn't really contributing very seriously and he should be looked at as a more serious lynch candidate in the near future. His posts generally are not helping the town, with the possible exception of his halfhearted stabs at me, which at least potentially foster discussion. However, I don't agree with calling him scummy for not posting his town reads, at least if those townies are not under threat of lynch and he himself is not about to die. Oh yeah. Really 90% sure Koshi was town at that point. In other words, his "contribution" was that it isn't pro-town to look for blues. However, as anyone who looks for mafia by evaluating how nervous they appear would know, a huge part of that is distinguishing blues from reds (because both will act nervous when pressured). Plus, sometimes people just make posts that make you think they have a role. If anything, in the context of a discussion about why Koshi was killed, me revealing that I had a blue read on him is more likely to make me town than mafia. However, when I pointed that out to him, instead of thinking about the argument like you would expect from a townie trying to contribute, he instead mindlessly doubles down and tries to make it a blue hunting competition: + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 07:55 Rels wrote:
you got lucky with your unlikely assumption being right
or maybe you really caught him with his posts asking for advice during the night
but that post is not a blueslip, and no VT would think it is However, at this point, he has justified his crappy vote. So at this point, I'm already not loving what he has done, but maybe his other contributions to the thread have something that redeems him? Day 1, he's trying not to get into arguments with anyone. Instead, his posts are either defenses of Vivax or him talking about various people he thinks are probably townie (sergio, rayn, koshi, and kelsier). As Meapak pointed out in post #349, he isn't taking sides with people who are arguing against each other, which is unusual. Instead, he thinks they're all town. Night 2, he only discusses modkills and a quick support for rayn. These look like the type of posts I'm expecting out of mafia. He's doing his very best to avoid any sort of controversy while at the same time not really contributing. Literally the only potentially redeeming things I can find in his filter at all are his defense of Vivax (which doesn't bring him under fire) and him being confused about Koshi flipping blue (but this is a mistake scum could easily make). I also like Meapak's point from post #349 that Rels lazily jumped on the bandwagon for Kaley, mostly in the spirit of "punishing poor town play." (Only excerpt copied below) + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2018 02:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. During those 30 minutes I read the game. Sergio's angryness makes no sense as scum in my opinion. Kaley has chosen to play in a way that makes her very hard to read. Fair enough. But when pushed for it, she doubled down and did it more strongly. I can see this strategy coming more from scum (kinda like "they wouldn't believe scum would continue roleplaying in my position"). Could also come from stubborn town but for now she's the more likely to flip scum. His reasoning for lynching Kaley is that he/she was hard to read? That's just lazy town play, not scumhunting. Killing someone for roleplaying is a super low percentage policy lynch move which is both apathetic and ineffective as it gives no real information. But it sure is an easy position for a scum to hop on and defend bc they wanted to "punish poor town play." But folks our goal is to catch mafia, not punish bad townplay.
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Rayn, you think I’m town now. Trust me on town!Qatol and, therefore follow us on Rels. With me and Qatol on that lynch it’s literally the only possible town lead lynch for today.
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Also I’m not sure that lll be able to be here at deadline to prevent scum shenanigans so we need to consolidate now rather than later
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I can understand your first argument, especially since i do not think you are mafia. But i do not think it makes Rels mafia (your first paragraph).
Second thing, yeah i think his argument is shit, it really is. But i can't really let it go, if i am being really honest you are the one that is arguing that "anyone should have been seeing Koshi was blue" when that is not really how it works. From my perspective, i do not think Koshi hinted blue, not any good player nowadays hints blue so that people can catch it (unless you are blazinghand lol). I do not know why Rels makes that argument, but i also do not know which is worse, him making the argument or "you enforcing it" when you never should in case you are town.
What has Rels done, other than that, that is mafia-esque, other than is related to me (which i find really annoying)? If you wanna call me mafia, call me mafia, but i find a lot of your (and Meapak's) points out to be heavily related towards me. And i don't like people calling other people mafia because "someone else is mafia". Obviously i am not going to lynch myself or want to be lynched myself over Rels because it is LYLO, but please, can you just not make your case founded on something that the person themselves did?
I fully know i dont have any say in if people want to lynch Rels or not since the people who "are listening to me" arent actually listening to me, and well, you have the rest. So i hope you are right then, i just think Kelsier is most likely mafia and i want to lynch him.
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On September 15 2018 04:56 Sergiovan wrote:
So Qatol which of me/RoL/Prplhz is town?
RoL. He's distracting the thread and trying to divide the vote for no good reason. He's also trying to downplay the urgency to focus votes, despite this being an inactive game involving people in wildly different time zones. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the "voting" argument on rayn is just wrong and RoL should know better.
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i dnu why we are arguing Qatol it is not the important point today.
Can people consolidate on Rels or Kelsier? I have made my case on him, i have no other things to say, just make the right choice.
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On September 15 2018 05:07 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 04:56 Sergiovan wrote:
So Qatol which of me/RoL/Prplhz is town? RoL. He's distracting the thread and trying to divide the vote for no good reason. He's also trying to downplay the urgency to focus votes, despite this being an inactive game involving people in wildly different time zones. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the "voting" argument on rayn is just wrong and RoL should know better.
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can we actually kill rol?
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because i am 100% up for it
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But I have twenty minutes until I’m AFK so if we are gonna do it we have to do it now. Qatol?
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On September 15 2018 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can understand your first argument, especially since i do not think you are mafia. But i do not think it makes Rels mafia (your first paragraph).
Second thing, yeah i think his argument is shit, it really is. But i can't really let it go, if i am being really honest you are the one that is arguing that "anyone should have been seeing Koshi was blue" when that is not really how it works. From my perspective, i do not think Koshi hinted blue, not any good player nowadays hints blue so that people can catch it (unless you are blazinghand lol). I do not know why Rels makes that argument, but i also do not know which is worse, him making the argument or "you enforcing it" when you never should in case you are town.
What has Rels done, other than that, that is mafia-esque, other than is related to me (which i find really annoying)? If you wanna call me mafia, call me mafia, but i find a lot of your (and Meapak's) points out to be heavily related towards me. And i don't like people calling other people mafia because "someone else is mafia". Obviously i am not going to lynch myself or want to be lynched myself over Rels because it is LYLO, but please, can you just not make your case founded on something that the person themselves did?
I fully know i dont have any say in if people want to lynch Rels or not since the people who "are listening to me" arent actually listening to me, and well, you have the rest. So i hope you are right then, i just think Kelsier is most likely mafia and i want to lynch him.
I think I understand what you're saying. Again, it doesn't really matter whether Koshi actually hinted he was blue. I thought it was obvious (and I come from an era where people most definitely did leak that they were blue - read this game if you don't believe me). And even that isn't really the point. The point is that identifying posts as potentially indicating a blue after the fact is not scummy behavior. When pressed on that point, Rels decided to double down because it was his only contribution to the argument.
As far as the remainder of the argument goes, it isn't so much that Rels supported you. It's that he supported a bunch of people while otherwise trying not to get in the way of anyone who would call him out. Yes, you were mentioned both times, but so what? So were Sergio, Koshi, Kelsier, and Vivax. The point is that he was trying to stay out of your way (and really out of the way of most of the active town).
As far as your arguments towards Kelsier go, trust me, they are having an effect. Your arguments are the main reason I haven't completely written him off as a misguided, tunneling townie. I just have a stronger read on Rels (and RoL). I also happen to think that Rels is the most likely to get a townie majority.
If Meapak shows up and Meapak and Sergio are willing to switch, I am perfectly happy to lynch RoL instead. Ideally, we could get prplhz to switch too. My preference would be to have 5 votes so, if they join the majority, mafia cannot switch off the majority at the last second.
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On September 15 2018 05:19 Sergiovan wrote:
But I have twenty minutes until I’m AFK so if we are gonna do it we have to do it now. Qatol?
Let's do it. Rayn isn't supporting the Rels lynch and we need him. Here's hoping Meapak and prplhz show up in time to help.
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Without majority in the thread we can’t bring another candidate in to this lynch.
I would much rather a RoL v Rels rather than Rels v Kelsier lynch though as I’m pretty sure both are scum but we need Qatol, Prplhz and one of Kelsier or Meapak. We need four townies on the lynch and one of Rayn/Prp is scum (I’m leaning Prplhz)
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Alright I’m all in on this then I hope someone shows up to play with us
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The fuck is even majority, we three can be majority.
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On September 15 2018 05:07 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 04:56 Sergiovan wrote:
So Qatol which of me/RoL/Prplhz is town? RoL. He's distracting the thread and trying to divide the vote for no good reason. He's also trying to downplay the urgency to focus votes, despite this being an inactive game involving people in wildly different time zones. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the "voting" argument on rayn is just wrong and RoL should know better.
I just realized I exactly misread your post. I think RoL is mafia (not town). I think the second mafia is Rels. I think the last mafia is one of prplhz, KelsierSC, and you. I'm not going to worry about which one right now, as night kills and future posts can provide more clarity.
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On September 15 2018 05:34 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 05:07 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 04:56 Sergiovan wrote:
So Qatol which of me/RoL/Prplhz is town? RoL. He's distracting the thread and trying to divide the vote for no good reason. He's also trying to downplay the urgency to focus votes, despite this being an inactive game involving people in wildly different time zones. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the "voting" argument on rayn is just wrong and RoL should know better. I just realized I exactly misread your post. I think RoL is mafia (not town). I think the second mafia is Rels. I think the last mafia is one of prplhz, KelsierSC, and you. I'm not going to worry about which one right now, as night kills and future posts can provide more clarity.
Yeah I figured out what you meant, no worries
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Wait what does this mean?
I also happen to think that Rels is the most likely to get a townie majority.
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can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol?
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I'm really not here. I really am not.
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On September 15 2018 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Wait what does this mean? Show nested quote + I also happen to think that Rels is the most likely to get a townie majority.
That I think Meapak is town and is likely to be perceived as town by the townies in the group of prplhz, kelsierSC, and Sergiovan. Sergio backing a RoL lynch helps things, but I really would like 5 votes.
Because we're switching to RoL, I'm hoping Meapak and prplhz at a minimum will back this play.
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I can't change vote because, in spite of how it may appear, I'm not here.
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I'm phoneposting and hiding from people.
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I am going to be 100% honest here Qatol. I do not know if you are either just very hard to understand because for me your answers do not answer the question i am asking, or if you are just mafia...
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On September 15 2018 05:46 prplhz wrote:
I can't change vote because, in spite of how it may appear, I'm not here.
i dont care just change your vote on rol.
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On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol?
Two of them:
1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar.
2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive.
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On September 15 2018 05:44 prplhz wrote:
When is deadline?
Deadline is in just over 2 hours.
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well whatewver, either rol is mafia nd game is bad or rol is not mafia and game is bad.
too many inactives, i dont enough time to make a judgement call.
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On September 15 2018 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to be 100% honest here Qatol. I do not know if you are either just very hard to understand because for me your answers do not answer the question i am asking, or if you are just mafia...
I'm not sure what I'm not answering, but if you point it out, I'm happy to do so. We definitely have completely different posting styles, which can be a source of confusion.
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On September 15 2018 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fuck is even majority, we three can be majority.
That’s what worries me a four man majority is much safer than three.
If you lynch Rels with me and Qatol today we can lynch RoL tomorrow and have the time to convince another townie to jump on board, that way we could be more sure of a win rather than risking a mafia deadline switch to save RoL
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Prplhz: vote for either Rels or RoL. Take a stand that matters for this lynch. You are clearly here
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On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol? Two of them: 1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar. 2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive.
1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1.
2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period.
note that this is not why i even decided to vote for kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him.
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On September 15 2018 05:58 Sergiovan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fuck is even majority, we three can be majority. That’s what worries me a four man majority is much safer than three. If you lynch Rels with me and Qatol today we can lynch RoL tomorrow and have the time to convince another townie to jump on board, that way we could be more sure of a win rather than risking a mafia deadline switch to save RoL
the thing is i dont wanna vote with meapak
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just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him...
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I think you could separate the fact that he looks town from the fact that he made a bad case on you.
Rels is objectively scummy and should be lynched. I think so and Qatol thinks so as well. You mathematically have to have at least one of us as town so listen to that person.
I don’t like that Rels hasn’t voted during LYLO if he is town he has totally abdicated his ability to help town win, town wouldn’t play that way. Therefore he is scum waiting til deadline to hammer vote a townie.
I actually just convinced myself Rels is the scummiestbased on the above, I don’t see any way his play is coming from a town player at this moment.
Qatol, Rayn, Prplhz: all aboard the Rels train
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## Vote Rels
Qatol, Rayn and Prplhz follow me on this, we can lynch RoL tomorrow when we can get more people on him. A three man wagon is going to fail when scum all hammer vote at deadline we need to consolidate with the absent townies and that’s Kelsier and Meapak, Kelsier voting into Qatol so we have to follow Meapak.
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So you think Qatol is town?
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And meapak mafia? or what?
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On September 15 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol? Two of them: 1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar. 2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive. 1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1. 2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period. note that this is not why i even decided to vote for Kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him.
1. It isn't the number of town reads that bothers me. The uncommon thing is that they were all arguing with each other. I just don't see town!rels not taking sides on that kind of thing. That screams fear to me. Considering he hasn't even tried to contribute other than the case on me, that screams mafia.
2. No, I definitely think Kaley could have been lynched D1. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted the way I did. However, that isn't the argument Rels made. His argument was "this is hard to read and I don't want to bother."
On September 15 2018 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him...
I obviously don't agree with his case on you. But here's the big thing: that doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter how you view each other. What matters is the town is at lylo and needs a majority on a scum. That means the townies need to vote for the same person, even if they don't trust each other. You can accuse each other later.
Think of it this way: if the town gets a majority, this could be a way to force mafia!meapak to go along with it, making last second idiocy even less likely (because then he has to be at his computer right before the lynch to undo it). This doesn't mean you have to trust meapak. This is more about the town focusing on a single mafia member.
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Jesus Christ do you read anything I post?!
Qatol, Meapak, Kelsier - town
Rels, RoL - Scum
I’m not sure on the third scum it’s either Rayn or Prplhz
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On September 15 2018 06:16 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol? Two of them: 1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar. 2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive. 1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1. 2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period. note that this is not why i even decided to vote for Kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him. 1. It isn't the number of town reads that bothers me. The uncommon thing is that they were all arguing with each other. I just don't see town!rels not taking sides on that kind of thing. That screams fear to me. Considering he hasn't even tried to contribute other than the case on me, that screams mafia. 2. No, I definitely think Kaley could have been lynched D1. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted the way I did. However, that isn't the argument Rels made. His argument was "this is hard to read and I don't want to bother." Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him... I obviously don't agree with his case on you. But here's the big thing: that doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter how you view each other. What matters is the town is at lylo and needs a majority on a scum. That means the townies need to vote for the same person, even if they don't trust each other. You can accuse each other later. Think of it this way: if the town gets a majority, this could be a way to force mafia!meapak to go along with it, making last second idiocy even less likely (because then he has to be at his computer right before the lynch to undo it). This doesn't mean you have to trust meapak. This is more about the town focusing on a single mafia member.
I don't like two things.
1) we were not all arguing with each other. Actually almost all of us were (except for Kelsier) each other's town reads. Feel free to prove me wrong.
2) i do not like how you call out a lynch like you do here. You did it at the start of D3, saying basically my vote on kelsier is stupid because i cant get him lynched anyways (that is entirely wrong). we put a wagon on RoL, that IS doable, regardless of if it is a mafia or town endorsed wagon. Why are you against people voting?
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i guess that's not really against or in favor of rels. but you qatol
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On September 15 2018 06:13 Sergiovan wrote:
## Unvote
## Vote Rels
Qatol, Rayn and Prplhz follow me on this, we can lynch RoL tomorrow when we can get more people on him. A three man wagon is going to fail when scum all hammer vote at deadline we need to consolidate with the absent townies and that’s Kelsier and Meapak, Kelsier voting into Qatol so we have to follow Meapak.
I will switch to rels if rayn or prplhz does. If they say they aren't switching, I think our best chance is for meapak to show up and have him switch. Otherwise, you're just splitting the vote.
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## unvote
## vote kelsiersc
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On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc
so is anyone willing to join me?
if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why.
thank you.
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On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you.
Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please.
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On September 15 2018 06:00 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz: vote for either Rels or RoL. Take a stand that matters for this lynch. You are clearly here
Seriously no.
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On September 15 2018 06:27 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you. Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please.
Who is to say that? You?
If i am completely honest i dont feel confident voting with you, which is why i dont find confident right now at all. I am 100% calm, me saying "fuck" or whatever words doesn't make me less competitive, ever. I am sorry though if it feels bad for someone.
Why is Kelsier the best lynch, who is?
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On September 15 2018 06:30 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:00 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz: vote for either Rels or RoL. Take a stand that matters for this lynch. You are clearly here Seriously no.
who are you voting for?
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On September 15 2018 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:30 prplhz wrote:On September 15 2018 06:00 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz: vote for either Rels or RoL. Take a stand that matters for this lynch. You are clearly here Seriously no. who are you voting for?
nvm, you jsut hung on like 100 hours before you actually voted..............
purplehaze......... why?
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idk maybe i am wrong, this is shit.
dont do voting threads.
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OR AT LEAST VOTE IN THE FUCKING GAME THREAD*!
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On September 15 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:16 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol? Two of them: 1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar. 2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive. 1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1. 2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period. note that this is not why i even decided to vote for Kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him. 1. It isn't the number of town reads that bothers me. The uncommon thing is that they were all arguing with each other. I just don't see town!rels not taking sides on that kind of thing. That screams fear to me. Considering he hasn't even tried to contribute other than the case on me, that screams mafia. 2. No, I definitely think Kaley could have been lynched D1. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted the way I did. However, that isn't the argument Rels made. His argument was "this is hard to read and I don't want to bother." On September 15 2018 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him... I obviously don't agree with his case on you. But here's the big thing: that doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter how you view each other. What matters is the town is at lylo and needs a majority on a scum. That means the townies need to vote for the same person, even if they don't trust each other. You can accuse each other later. Think of it this way: if the town gets a majority, this could be a way to force mafia!meapak to go along with it, making last second idiocy even less likely (because then he has to be at his computer right before the lynch to undo it). This doesn't mean you have to trust meapak. This is more about the town focusing on a single mafia member. I don't like two things. 1) we were not all arguing with each other. Actually almost all of us were (except for Kelsier) each other's town reads. Feel free to prove me wrong. 2) i do not like how you call out a lynch like you do here. You did it at the start of D3, saying basically my vote on kelsier is stupid because i cant get him lynched anyways (that is entirely wrong). we put a wagon on RoL, that IS doable, regardless of if it is a mafia or town endorsed wagon. Why are you against people voting?
1) Sergio vs. Koshi
+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
Koshi is sooooo scummy, am I totally pants-on-head retarded? I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can not be voting him right now, he says in post #99 that he has three town reads but he doesn’t ever reveal them, he isn’t contributing while spamming and pretending to have reads. Koshi = Scum.
Vivax in post #119 says he didn’t read Kayly’s post from which he read her as town. Highly suspicious if Kaley = town that Vivax = scum. Vivax has made a town read based on something he didn’t even read. If that ‘read’ is correct it seems like it comes from alignment knowledge.
I see that Kelsier has seen the same things in that post as I have. That makes Kelsier relatively townie irrespective of the alignments of Vivax and Kaley.
Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.
Rayn: calm down, no matter how you feel about Kaley’s RP your behavior is negatively effecting the town atmosphere. If you are town think about it and get better. If you are scum listen to me and do that right thing anyway so I don’t have to read your shit stirring before I lynch you.
If you are still present I would like to discuss Kaley and Koshi. Kaley is posting relatively coherently and has some reads in the thread which seem to indicate that she is involved in the thread as it progresses. Koshi is posting useless and meaningless trash. Explain your reads on both of them to me.
Kelsier vs. Koshi
+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2018 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.
Will try and post more. Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes. @vivax Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason. Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:
I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective. Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi saying Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote:On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.
That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do. I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like: On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.
I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.
Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought. Anyway. Vivax tip top town just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is.
Kelsier vs. Sergio
On September 08 2018 22:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd only lynch sergio or vivax today.
I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on.
There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch.
2) What happened on day 3 is different. Rels jumping on a bandwagon is not the same as arguing about whether we should start one. If your argument is so strong, why is prplhz the only one who joined you? We need to coordinate votes, not split them up. That means finding someone people can agree on as mafia. If you look back at the start of Day 3, both you and Meapak had rels on your scum lists. Meapak didn't have Kelsier on his. Please explain to me why it makes sense to lynch kelsier?
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just because people are not playing
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idk what serge has to do with me-koshi-kelsier, and i dont know where kelsier called koshi mafia.
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On September 15 2018 06:40 Qatol wrote:
If your argument is so strong, why is prplhz the only one who joined you?
I am sorry but it is because you are all just stupid or afk.
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funnily enough i dont even think you are mafia.
well i gotta sleep, so i guess i will vote for rels and take the blame if i was right.
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##unvote
##vote Rels
i think mafia is on this lynch and we are gonna lose but what the fuck ever, nice job not believing me whoever is town.
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no wait no
##unvote
## vote kelsiersc
murder kelsier, see the cases, make up your mind, and vote.
this is way better.
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Yo. Finally home off work. Im ashamed about the activity, this will be the last time I'll join a game while working here - I simply do not have the time to play
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I don't have time to read everyything from these last 3 days so any cases on current wagons would be appreciated
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please. i have to sleep.
please read my filter whoever is town and here.
if you wanna lynch rels i dont fault you, it is like over 50% he is mafia, but kelsier is mafia. just read my posts.
please.
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On September 15 2018 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:27 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you. Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please. Who is to say that? You? If i am completely honest i dont feel confident voting with you, which is why i dont find confident right now at all. I am 100% calm, me saying "fuck" or whatever words doesn't make me less competitive, ever. I am sorry though if it feels bad for someone. Why is Kelsier the best lynch, who is?
If you don't feel confident voting with me, lynch me and lose. That's literally your choice. There's really only 4 situations:
1) town!Qatol, town!Kelsier
You need a tiebreaker or 5 votes on someone who isn't me. In other words, you have to coordinate with me.
2) town!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier
You need 4 votes on someone who isn't me. If you don't want to vote with me, pray that I vote alone on someone who doesn't have the tiebreaker.
3) mafia!Qatol, town!Kelsier
I'm pretty sure you don't believe this one, but the answer is lynch me.
4) mafia!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier
Do you really think this makes sense either? You still need to collect 3 votes on someone, and you need to worry about Meapak, Sergio, Rels, and RoL voting on a townie or not voting at all.
Look, I am willing to coordinate votes with you, just not on Kelsier or Meapak. If you don't want to do that and you're town, it's game over. It's really that simple.
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What the fuck are we doing rayn
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I showed up now so tell me before it's too late.
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what has Qatol done that is townie since I filtered him at the end of D2 ?
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On September 15 2018 06:57 Rels wrote:
what has Qatol done that is townie since I filtered him at the end of D2 ?
Kill for showing up now?
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Who is scum and murderable?
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On September 15 2018 06:55 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:27 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you. Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please. Who is to say that? You? If i am completely honest i dont feel confident voting with you, which is why i dont find confident right now at all. I am 100% calm, me saying "fuck" or whatever words doesn't make me less competitive, ever. I am sorry though if it feels bad for someone. Why is Kelsier the best lynch, who is? If you don't feel confident voting with me, lynch me and lose. That's literally your choice. There's really only 4 situations: 1) town!Qatol, town!Kelsier You need a tiebreaker or 5 votes on someone who isn't me. In other words, you have to coordinate with me. 2) town!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier You need 4 votes on someone who isn't me. If you don't want to vote with me, pray that I vote alone on someone who doesn't have the tiebreaker. 3) mafia!Qatol, town!Kelsier I'm pretty sure you don't believe this one, but the answer is lynch me. 4) mafia!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier Do you really think this makes sense either? You still need to collect 3 votes on someone, and you need to worry about Meapak, Sergio, Rels, and RoL voting on a townie or not voting at all. Look, I am willing to coordinate votes with you, just not on Kelsier or Meapak. If you don't want to do that and you're town, it's game over. It's really that simple.
idgaf if you are town because i am not sure, as i am with prplhz, i am voting with him.
so you dont even need me in case we are both town.
so whatever, i dont care about this game anyways, it was never winnable in the first place.
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On September 15 2018 06:58 prplhz wrote:
Who is scum and murderable?
no idea I'm very disconnected from this game. I wanted to murder Qatol when I read the game at the end of D2 but now I'm not sure since. Trying to quick read my way up to date
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On September 15 2018 06:56 prplhz wrote:
What the fuck are we doing rayn
we are the only ones voting for mafia in this shit game.
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On September 15 2018 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:55 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:27 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you. Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please. Who is to say that? You? If i am completely honest i dont feel confident voting with you, which is why i dont find confident right now at all. I am 100% calm, me saying "fuck" or whatever words doesn't make me less competitive, ever. I am sorry though if it feels bad for someone. Why is Kelsier the best lynch, who is? If you don't feel confident voting with me, lynch me and lose. That's literally your choice. There's really only 4 situations: 1) town!Qatol, town!Kelsier You need a tiebreaker or 5 votes on someone who isn't me. In other words, you have to coordinate with me. 2) town!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier You need 4 votes on someone who isn't me. If you don't want to vote with me, pray that I vote alone on someone who doesn't have the tiebreaker. 3) mafia!Qatol, town!Kelsier I'm pretty sure you don't believe this one, but the answer is lynch me. 4) mafia!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier Do you really think this makes sense either? You still need to collect 3 votes on someone, and you need to worry about Meapak, Sergio, Rels, and RoL voting on a townie or not voting at all. Look, I am willing to coordinate votes with you, just not on Kelsier or Meapak. If you don't want to do that and you're town, it's game over. It's really that simple. idgaf if you are town because i am not sure, as i am with prplhz, i am voting with him. so you dont even need me in case we are both town. so whatever, i dont care about this game anyways, it was never winnable in the first place.
Actually, I do need you if you and prplhz are both town. Unless you think the mafia is going to be unable to force a scum lynch when the town majority is 3.
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On September 15 2018 07:00 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:55 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:27 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc so is anyone willing to join me? if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why. thank you. Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please. Who is to say that? You? If i am completely honest i dont feel confident voting with you, which is why i dont find confident right now at all. I am 100% calm, me saying "fuck" or whatever words doesn't make me less competitive, ever. I am sorry though if it feels bad for someone. Why is Kelsier the best lynch, who is? If you don't feel confident voting with me, lynch me and lose. That's literally your choice. There's really only 4 situations: 1) town!Qatol, town!Kelsier You need a tiebreaker or 5 votes on someone who isn't me. In other words, you have to coordinate with me. 2) town!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier You need 4 votes on someone who isn't me. If you don't want to vote with me, pray that I vote alone on someone who doesn't have the tiebreaker. 3) mafia!Qatol, town!Kelsier I'm pretty sure you don't believe this one, but the answer is lynch me. 4) mafia!Qatol, mafia!Kelsier Do you really think this makes sense either? You still need to collect 3 votes on someone, and you need to worry about Meapak, Sergio, Rels, and RoL voting on a townie or not voting at all. Look, I am willing to coordinate votes with you, just not on Kelsier or Meapak. If you don't want to do that and you're town, it's game over. It's really that simple. idgaf if you are town because i am not sure, as i am with prplhz, i am voting with him. so you dont even need me in case we are both town. so whatever, i dont care about this game anyways, it was never winnable in the first place. Actually, I do need you if you and prplhz are both town. Unless you think the mafia is going to be unable to force a scum lynch when the town majority is 3.
or i need you and rels / meapak. and i have lost my hope with meapak.
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On September 13 2018 08:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:This is absolutely terrible lmao Also I have been roleblocked.
weird roleblock. If I was the scumteam I wouldn't roleblock anyone and I would claim roleblock.
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For crying out loud, you do realize that unless RoL is mafia you need 4 votes and a tiebreaker to not get lynched yourself, right? You have more people on your scumlist than there are scum in this game. This is just crazy. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
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On September 15 2018 07:02 Qatol wrote:
For crying out loud, you do realize that unless RoL is mafia you need 4 votes and a tiebreaker to not get lynched yourself, right? You have more people on your scumlist than there are scum in this game. This is just crazy. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
that's not true, and i don't care if i am lynched, i just care about if i was right or not.
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On September 15 2018 01:51 Qatol wrote:
Okay, I am back, and am incredibly disappointed with what I'm seeing (i.e., no real focus). Let me make this simple, because the town really only has 3 options:
1) Support Meapak's read of Rels
2) Convince Meapak and every other townie to vote for someone else
3) Vote for me
Considering the level of activity in the thread, #2 is extremely unlikely. Here's something else that should help on this point: I won't support a lynch of rayn. His actions on day 3 don't make sense for mafia. I'll explain more in a follow-up post in a moment.
As far as #3 goes, if you honestly believe the arguments being made, then, by all means vote me. But, I cannot emphasize this enough, read the arguments. Don't just focus on the fact that so-and-so "accused me." This is lazy, bad play. If, after reading everything, you still feel like I'm mafia (and then you probably need to reevaluate how you read people after the game), then, by all means. At least you approached things with the right mindset, even if you reached the wrong conclusion. Anything less is giving the game to the mafia.
Hopefully you will rule out #3 as an option as well. That means the town's only chance is a vote for Rels.
I hate how lectury you've been all game. Reeks of scum.
Qatol / MZ / ???
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rayn why do you wanna lynch KSC ?
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a couple of years ago i stopped playing the game for to win (while i still care about it and get angry about losing), just because of the games like these that you can't count as games because half of the people are not playing.
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On September 15 2018 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:02 Qatol wrote:
For crying out loud, you do realize that unless RoL is mafia you need 4 votes and a tiebreaker to not get lynched yourself, right? You have more people on your scumlist than there are scum in this game. This is just crazy. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. that's not true, and i don't care if i am lynched, i just care about if i was right or not.
Then who is your scumlist? Kelsier, RoL, some combination of me/meapak/rels?
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On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose.
'cause I find this post really townie in a world when he can let me die
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On September 15 2018 07:07 Rels wrote:
rayn why do you wanna lynch KSC ?
he has two differnt mindsets which he changes based on how it suits him.
read my filter.
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On September 15 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose. 'cause I find this post really townie in a world when he can let me die
yeah and you can definitely be mafia with him so why would i fucking care?
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i am pretty sure even if you are town you should not use tjhat as an argument because it is not gonna fly, even with your possible scumbuddies.
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On September 15 2018 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose. 'cause I find this post really townie in a world when he can let me die yeah and you can definitely be mafia with him so why would i fucking care?
'cause I'm not mafia. This game would be very EZ if I was scum TBH. Just be active and win
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On September 15 2018 07:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose. 'cause I find this post really townie in a world when he can let me die yeah and you can definitely be mafia with him so why would i fucking care? 'cause I'm not mafia. This game would be very EZ if I was scum TBH. Just be active and win
so yo uare inactive BECAUSE you are town?
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On September 15 2018 07:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 01:51 Qatol wrote:
Okay, I am back, and am incredibly disappointed with what I'm seeing (i.e., no real focus). Let me make this simple, because the town really only has 3 options:
1) Support Meapak's read of Rels
2) Convince Meapak and every other townie to vote for someone else
3) Vote for me
Considering the level of activity in the thread, #2 is extremely unlikely. Here's something else that should help on this point: I won't support a lynch of rayn. His actions on day 3 don't make sense for mafia. I'll explain more in a follow-up post in a moment.
As far as #3 goes, if you honestly believe the arguments being made, then, by all means vote me. But, I cannot emphasize this enough, read the arguments. Don't just focus on the fact that so-and-so "accused me." This is lazy, bad play. If, after reading everything, you still feel like I'm mafia (and then you probably need to reevaluate how you read people after the game), then, by all means. At least you approached things with the right mindset, even if you reached the wrong conclusion. Anything less is giving the game to the mafia.
Hopefully you will rule out #3 as an option as well. That means the town's only chance is a vote for Rels. I hate how lectury you've been all game. Reeks of scum. Qatol / MZ / ???
I wouldn't be if people would read or realize some of this stuff on their own. Instead, if you haven't noticed, even despite this post, we have a completely split up vote.
And why does it reek of scum? Please share. Is anything there wrong? Is anything there anti-town?
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On September 15 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:09 Rels wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose. 'cause I find this post really townie in a world when he can let me die yeah and you can definitely be mafia with him so why would i fucking care? 'cause I'm not mafia. This game would be very EZ if I was scum TBH. Just be active and win so yo uare inactive BECAUSE you are town?
I'm inactive because when I got home all week I couldn't do anything but eat then sleep. And I couldn't play at work. Would have had the same problems as scum but it's easy to write BS as scum
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On September 15 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:09 Rels wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose. 'cause I find this post really townie in a world when he can let me die yeah and you can definitely be mafia with him so why would i fucking care? 'cause I'm not mafia. This game would be very EZ if I was scum TBH. Just be active and win so yo uare inactive BECAUSE you are town?
or vice versa, doesnt make it any better
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On September 15 2018 07:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 07:09 Rels wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose. 'cause I find this post really townie in a world when he can let me die yeah and you can definitely be mafia with him so why would i fucking care? 'cause I'm not mafia. This game would be very EZ if I was scum TBH. Just be active and win so yo uare inactive BECAUSE you are town? I'm inactive because when I got home all week I couldn't do anything but eat then sleep. And I couldn't play at work. Would have had the same problems as scum but it's easy to write BS as scum
that's not really how it works.
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On September 15 2018 07:12 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:06 Rels wrote:On September 15 2018 01:51 Qatol wrote:
Okay, I am back, and am incredibly disappointed with what I'm seeing (i.e., no real focus). Let me make this simple, because the town really only has 3 options:
1) Support Meapak's read of Rels
2) Convince Meapak and every other townie to vote for someone else
3) Vote for me
Considering the level of activity in the thread, #2 is extremely unlikely. Here's something else that should help on this point: I won't support a lynch of rayn. His actions on day 3 don't make sense for mafia. I'll explain more in a follow-up post in a moment.
As far as #3 goes, if you honestly believe the arguments being made, then, by all means vote me. But, I cannot emphasize this enough, read the arguments. Don't just focus on the fact that so-and-so "accused me." This is lazy, bad play. If, after reading everything, you still feel like I'm mafia (and then you probably need to reevaluate how you read people after the game), then, by all means. At least you approached things with the right mindset, even if you reached the wrong conclusion. Anything less is giving the game to the mafia.
Hopefully you will rule out #3 as an option as well. That means the town's only chance is a vote for Rels. I hate how lectury you've been all game. Reeks of scum. Qatol / MZ / ??? I wouldn't be if people would read or realize some of this stuff on their own. Instead, if you haven't noticed, even despite this post, we have a completely split up vote. And why does it reek of scum? Please share. Is anything there wrong? Is anything there anti-town?
yep. The number of posts you dedicated to this subject. Makes you active without doing anything
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On September 15 2018 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:14 Rels wrote:On September 15 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 07:09 Rels wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose. 'cause I find this post really townie in a world when he can let me die yeah and you can definitely be mafia with him so why would i fucking care? 'cause I'm not mafia. This game would be very EZ if I was scum TBH. Just be active and win so yo uare inactive BECAUSE you are town? I'm inactive because when I got home all week I couldn't do anything but eat then sleep. And I couldn't play at work. Would have had the same problems as scum but it's easy to write BS as scum that's not really how it works.
yeah that isn't gonna convince anyone I suppose. But it's probably true
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doesn't matter though. Qatol or MZ ?
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you do what you can with the time you have, scum or town. you are claiming you would have -- as mafia -- come here and feed some "bullshit", but as town you didn't care enough to even share your opinion on those times?
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Kelsier or you, your pick. No Qatol or MZ.
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On September 15 2018 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you do what you can with the time you have, scum or town. you are claiming you would have -- as mafia -- come here and feed some "bullshit", but as town you didn't care enough to even share your opinion on those times?
I never had any opinion to share
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pretty sure KSC doesn't make his post regarding me as scum. Especially if it was already him against I. But even if it was not it seems unlikely. Unless I was not a wagon at all at the time which seems weird to me given my activity
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On September 15 2018 07:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you do what you can with the time you have, scum or town. you are claiming you would have -- as mafia -- come here and feed some "bullshit", but as town you didn't care enough to even share your opinion on those times? I never had any opinion to share
but you did
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can you link / quote your case ? Searching KelsierSC on your filter doesn't seem to find it
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On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley
this is an example
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wow MZ case on me is so bad lol. He extrapolates so much on the throwaway reads I had D1. Especially, lol at "he townread 3 people that were fighting". So bad
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On September 11 2018 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to star by answering this: Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 05:23 Sergiovan wrote:
Rayn: in post #235 you state that no one but you and Qatol gave reads on Kaley. I clearly stated that I believed her to be town based on her attitude.
More importantly though in the above mentioned post you say that “there is no way” that Koshi is scum. Go read my cases against him and explain how that is possible. I freely admit I don’t think he is a slam dunk 100% confirmed mafia but I fail to see how he is confirmed town.
what is your read on Kelsier? I can’t decipher it from your post #241.
In that same post why are you so quick to defend me? If you are going to tell me you seriously read Kaley as town after maybe 40 hours of D1 then you can die in a fire, because what you posted about him early on in D1 was a complete misconstrue of what he was saying (giving reads as you said -- which he definitely wasnt), especially going later onto D1. My read on Kelsier is coming soon. I am not defending you. I am pointing out irrational behavior by someone else where the target happens to be you, not to even mention HF asked for my read on Kelsier. Right now i don't think you are mafia but even if i did i would point such behavior out just because accusing someone (even someone i read as mafia) based on non-sensical reasons is just BS and points out towards them being mafia. idk if i have to still explain my read ok Koshi, if you think tha's relevant then go ahead and ask me to explain but the point on it is he made some posts that i found out almost impossible to come from mafia!Koshi. I also didn't care to focus on explaining my townread who was never under any threat of being lynched over other thigns i did D1. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I think Kelsier is mafia basically because especially on D2 (and that Serge read D1-N1) is based on stuff that other people did. What Kelsier has done D2 is that he has created a narrative and for that he calls out some people. He makes an assumption why Koshi died, creates scenarios about what that means, and makes "reads" out of it. Except that nothing in those reads is based on what the person he scumreads actually did. Koshi can be right or Koshi can be wrong, but whatever Koshi said or did is not a reason for anyone to be mafia, otherwise Holyflare should have flipped red. I understand the idea behind Kelsier's mindset, but he is using Koshi as a REASON to read certain people as he does, and that's just lazy, cheap, and wrong. Because that's not how this game works. Other than that, let's go to look at those things, especially Kelsier's last big post. I find out there to be some huge problems: 1) Discounting everything else, why is Kelsier voting for Serge over Vivax right now? After all he has actual reasons to think Vivax is mafia, i mean like almost all his D1 is attacking Vivax and it is 100% certain that 0-posts Vivax doesn't at least look better D2 than he did D1. 2) There is no reasoning on Serge being mafia over Vivax (his top scumread D1) right now that wasn't there already on D1 as per his words, except for the below (which i find not reasonable at all). 3) Kelsier scumreads Serge on D1 for something that was not enough to switch his vote from Vivax. I think that should not be a reason to switch his vote come D2 either since Vivax hasn't made a single post after telling us how he "has a pretty good clue of who is mafia but he needs to wait until D2". Right now he is backing up his read on Serge with "Koshi and Holyflare thought Serge is mafia", which first of all isn't a reasonable reason to call anyone mafia (i talked about this earlier) and also there is the fact that the last posts HF and Koshi made on Serge are: Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 06:28 Koshi wrote:
Sure. But care levels are low.
Good on you to do things.
Not reading the things though. Now i cannot be sure if Koshi states here he doesn't think Serge is mafia anymore or not, and we unfortunately cannot ask him, but that doesn't sound like a hard scumread anymore. Holyflare definitely doesn't have a scumread on Serge anymore. All this happened during N1. Even the narrative Kelsier is pushing is factually incorrect here. As a cherry on top of the cake he says this: Show nested quote +It feels wrong to lynch someone like vivax or sergio who are playing the game and letting people who aren't doing anything slip through. My plan is to hover around at deadline and look for someone trying to dodge the modkill with some meaningless posts and lynch that guy. What's the point of voting for someone who you aren't even planning on lynching????? The pressure factor is gone right here because Kelsier basically said he is going to do something else by the end of the day. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ TLDR: - I think logically town!Kelsier should be voting for Vivax over Serge - I think Kelsier isn't using arguments based on what the person he accuses actually did (or even didn't) - Even his narrative (above) is based on irrational conclusions or missing some crucial posts - He is already backing off from lynching the people he apparently wants to lynch onto an inactive lynch. ##vote Kelsier
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On September 15 2018 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley this is an example
yeah and after this day I didn't have the time to play until the end of D2
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lol wtf. I got dogpiled overnight. Neat.
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On September 15 2018 07:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley this is an example yeah and after this day I didn't have the time to play until the end of D2
but you said it never happened?
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why did you say it never happened?
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that case is convincing actually. Will fact check it
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On September 15 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:
that case is convincing actually. Will fact check it
Do you think i make a case that does not fact check even if i am mafia?
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nvm, do what you do, i wont interrupt anymore.
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On September 15 2018 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why did you say it never happened?
after the dude that I felt was most likely to flip scum flip town at the end of D1, I didn't read anything until the end of D2, and thus didn't have any updated opinion to share
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On September 15 2018 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:
that case is convincing actually. Will fact check it Do you think i make a case that does not fact check even if i am mafia?
nope. You can miss stuff though
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rels i am not actually interested in if you want to vote for kelsier or not, i am more interested in if you are mafia or not
because if you are not, kelsier pretty much has to be mafia because there are no other 3 people that dont include you who are mafia. if you are mafia then wow i can just lynch you instead. so i would prefer if you proved why you are town instead.
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On September 15 2018 07:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:
that case is convincing actually. Will fact check it Do you think i make a case that does not fact check even if i am mafia? nope. You can miss stuff though
i dont though, especially as mafia.
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Okay, I have switched my vote back to rels. I think Meapak and Sergio are both town and both inactive. I still believe rels is mafia. As a result, there really is only 1 move.
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On September 15 2018 05:07 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 04:56 Sergiovan wrote:
So Qatol which of me/RoL/Prplhz is town? RoL. He's distracting the thread and trying to divide the vote for no good reason. He's also trying to downplay the urgency to focus votes, despite this being an inactive game involving people in wildly different time zones. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the "voting" argument on rayn is just wrong and RoL should know better.
I don't think I ever downplayed consolidation. There was plenty of time left in the day for consolidating votes.
I don't know why you think my vote argument is flawed. I'd be inclined to agree with you about the meapak RB though so I'm going to consolidate my vote with him.
unvote]
vote: rels
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KSC insisting that Koshi scumread Sergio when Koshi repeated that he only things Sergio is scum if HS is scum is scummy. And after D1 he basically only relied on previous reasons without much new. Hard-to-change read might indicate scum
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And by inactive, I mean will not be showing up again for the remainder of the vote.
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ROL and Qatol you both think the RB makes MZ town ???
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It puts too much pressure on him otherwise so its an unlikely fake claim.
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Qatol / KSC / MZ
kinda weird given KSC's attack on Qatol at some point. But possible
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On September 15 2018 07:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
It puts too much pressure on him otherwise so its an unlikely fake claim.
completely disagree. Unless scums are dumb
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it's WIFOM at best. I think it's more likely it indicates scum. But WIFOM is the absolute best you could stretch it
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Basically I have to convince you ROL or the game is lost
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why do you scumread me more than KSC ?
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On September 15 2018 07:43 Rels wrote:
Qatol / KSC / MZ
kinda weird given KSC's attack on Qatol at some point. But possible
And there's the nail in the coffin. This is incredibly unlikely. And you just talked about how suspicious you were about RoL. Thanks for making me feel better about my vote.
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On September 15 2018 07:47 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:43 Rels wrote:
Qatol / KSC / MZ
kinda weird given KSC's attack on Qatol at some point. But possible And there's the nail in the coffin. This is incredibly unlikely. And you just talked about how suspicious you were about RoL. Thanks for making me feel better about my vote.
it is actually not, it could be a weak one-way bus. You could have easily attack him yet didn't
and I said ROL was a coinflip, nothing he did was scummy, only a lack of activity
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it's incredible how everything you write is so obviously following a certain plan yet nobody seems to remark it. Except Koshi at some point
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On September 15 2018 07:46 Rels wrote:
why do you scumread me more than KSC ?
because im pretty sure rayn is scum and if he's doing something I imagine it's not in towns interest. You are more process of elimination than me actually having a case on you tbh.
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On September 15 2018 07:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:46 Rels wrote:
why do you scumread me more than KSC ? because im pretty sure rayn is scum and if he's doing something I imagine it's not in towns interest. You are more process of elimination than me actually having a case on you tbh.
lol
well I can't do anything to change that p:
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On September 15 2018 07:50 Rels wrote:
it's incredible how everything you write is so obviously following a certain plan yet nobody seems to remark it. Except Koshi at some point
Koshi said I'm too friendly and deconstructed one of my posts. That's it. At least get your story straight if you're going to make comments like this.
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On September 15 2018 07:51 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:50 Rels wrote:
it's incredible how everything you write is so obviously following a certain plan yet nobody seems to remark it. Except Koshi at some point Koshi said I'm too friendly and deconstructed one of my posts. That's it. At least get your story straight if you're going to make comments like this.
haha
how can anyone else not see how suspicious these side remarks are is beyond me
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On September 15 2018 07:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:51 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 07:50 Rels wrote:
it's incredible how everything you write is so obviously following a certain plan yet nobody seems to remark it. Except Koshi at some point Koshi said I'm too friendly and deconstructed one of my posts. That's it. At least get your story straight if you're going to make comments like this. haha how can anyone else not see how suspicious these side remarks are is beyond me
Because you're pushing a tired, misleading narrative that has been pushed at least since the beginning of day 2?
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You realize what it means, Kelsier voting off wagon?
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On September 15 2018 07:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 07:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On September 15 2018 07:46 Rels wrote:
why do you scumread me more than KSC ? because im pretty sure rayn is scum and if he's doing something I imagine it's not in towns interest. You are more process of elimination than me actually having a case on you tbh. lol well I can't do anything to change that p:
yeah lol its nothing personal.
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On September 15 2018 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You realize what it means, Kelsier voting off wagon?
that means nothing unless his vote was required for him to survive
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Why would a townie ever do that?
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On September 15 2018 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would a townie ever do that?
no time to play
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kitaman27
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Night 3![[image loading]](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HoarseAnnualIrukandjijellyfish-size_restricted.gif)
Final Vote Count
Rels [4]: Qatol, Meapak_Ziphh, Sergiovan, Sergiovan, raynpelikoneet, Qatol, RebirthOfLeGenD
KelsierSC [3]: raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, prplhz, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Rels
Qatol [1]: KelsierSC, prplhz, raynpelikoneet
RebirthOfLeGenD [0]: raynpelikoneet, Qatol, Sergiovan
Raynpelikoneet [0]: RebirthOfLeGenD
Rels the Vanilla Town has been lynched.
It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to submit night actions. The night ends on Saturday, Sep 15 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
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Not relaly a numbers guy but can we survive without some epic save from a vec or doc?
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On September 15 2018 09:26 prplhz wrote:
Not relaly a numbers guy but can we survive without some epic save from a vec or doc?
No. Its 4-3. If a kill goes through mafia wins because its a tie in terms of numbers.
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huh
Well my bad rayn, guess I should have decided to go full sheep on vivax.
I guess the team really was Kels/Qatol and then prplhz or RoL. No bad feelings Rayn.
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Worst part of getting roleblocked is it makes me think I'm on the right track lol
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On September 15 2018 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
huh
Well my bad rayn, guess I should have decided to go full sheep on vivax.
I guess the team really was Kels/Qatol and then prplhz or RoL. No bad feelings Rayn.
Not quite. I'm clearly pretty bad at this. It's probably something like Kelsier/RoL and then prplhz or Sergio. I even knew something was probably up when RoL sheeped me onto Rels; I just questioned whether I was wrong for too long. Sorry for not following your read, rayn.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7buhhswwzN8lBHCU/giphy.gif) End Game
prplhz the Town Veteran has been killed.
KelsierSC the Vanilla Town has been endgamed.
Meapak_Ziphh has been endgamed.
Qatol has been endgamed.
raynpelikoneet the Mafia Roleblocker has survived.
Sergiovan the Mafia Goon has survived.
RebirthOfLeGenD the Mafia Goon has survived.
Flawless Mafia Victory!!!
Mafia QT
Obs QT
Congrats to the mafia team for a well played game! Special thanks to Mocsta for co-hosting. Thanks for playing all!
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Well done.
Mafia coming in to have some fun yesterday sowed the final seeds of destruction.
My only end game thought are that the hero town plays have got to stop.
Its ok to work as a team and its ok to sheep.
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On September 16 2018 01:08 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2018 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
huh
Well my bad rayn, guess I should have decided to go full sheep on vivax.
I guess the team really was Kels/Qatol and then prplhz or RoL. No bad feelings Rayn. Not quite. I'm clearly pretty bad at this. It's probably something like Kelsier/RoL and then prplhz or Sergio. I even knew something was probably up when RoL sheeped me onto Rels; I just questioned whether I was wrong for too long. Sorry for not following your read, rayn.
yeah. Sorry for inactivty. I assume you are the one that prompted Ver to text me? I straight up didn't know the game was going on most of the time.
When I showed up town was kind of already in shambles. Day 3 the two main people up weren't even mafia.
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On September 16 2018 09:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 01:08 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
huh
Well my bad rayn, guess I should have decided to go full sheep on vivax.
I guess the team really was Kels/Qatol and then prplhz or RoL. No bad feelings Rayn. Not quite. I'm clearly pretty bad at this. It's probably something like Kelsier/RoL and then prplhz or Sergio. I even knew something was probably up when RoL sheeped me onto Rels; I just questioned whether I was wrong for too long. Sorry for not following your read, rayn. yeah. Sorry for inactivty. I assume you are the one that prompted Ver to text me? I straight up didn't know the game was going on most of the time. When I showed up town was kind of already in shambles. Day 3 the two main people up weren't even mafia.
Yeah, I thought he might get your attention. My read on rayn was flat out wrong (well done rayn), and I spent way too much time defending myself instead of scumhunting. I'm glad to hear my read on Kelsier was right at least.
It is super disappointing that pretty much every single townie in the game suspected me so heavily (which I'll admit was almost certainly my fault). I'm still not even sure what I did wrong on that front. If anyone has a guess, please tell me; I would honestly like to know.
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GG guys!
This game was a real pleasure for me, I haven’t played Mafia in about five years as I said before the start of the game and getting to play with TL veterans like Qatol and RoL who I had never never had the chance to play with before.
I was looking forward to Scum hunting but it was quite fun to just shit things up with Rayn instead.
A few thoughts: above all I’m sad that’s TL has devolved so far that having four AFKs in a mini is possible. I never loved the 30 player games but I’m glad they were an option and our minis used to have so many people ready to replace in, what happened?
I don’t know if anyone noticed but I bread crumbed DT d1 as well as checks on Koshi n1 and Qatol n2 I was saving that to create a big WIFOM mess if and when I was lynched. That ‘check’ is also why I had a hard town read on Qatol d3 that inexplicably I was never questioned on.
I still do not understand the d1 Kaley lynch. Can anyone explain why they thought that was a good idea? She was actively participating in the game and had reads (admittedly bad ones with bad reasoning but she was playing and looked pretty townie I thought)
The d2 lynch was equally disorganized and ended up as poorly as d1. Damdred looked like a fine lynch to me but the town needed to organize better around making us actually commit to something. There was never a lynch where we felt pressure as to where to put our votes. The inactive players really screwed town over here by allowing the scum team to be everywhere.
D3 Rayn and I really took control of the thread and I feel bad for Qatol trying to figure out what was happening while Rayn and I created a mess in his head. I quite enjoyed our play towards RoL just in case our night kill didn’t go through for some reason.
N3 we shot Prplhz and roleblocked him to ensure if he was vet he couldn’t keep himself alive. None of town had hard town reads on him so I figured if there was a doc we would be safe with our shot on Prplhz.
Koshi: I mentioned this in the mafia qt but your vigi shot was very poor, in a game like this you needed to vig an inactive. I’m told Holyflare is now quite good as town so bogging him night one is a high risk low reward play.
Qatol: I really enjoyed playing with you, you were clearly trying to figure things out to the very end. You were excellent.
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
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Oh also: Kita your gifs were perfect
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fuck me man
I should have lynched rayn for the fit he pulled in the thread.
Actually why did you that rayn? You could have quietly lynched rels with me and still won. Oh well, hurts to have 2/3 and just be off by the order you went in.
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Also it sucked having RoL as scum since I could never get a read on him and hated lynching into unknowns at lylo.
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Parting shots:
Thanks for hosting Kita, you my boy even 3 years later. I wish I had been able to be more active but I'm not sure that would have changed anything since I felt like I was either talking to Qatol or Rayn for most of the game. Guess having IRL jobs makes mafia a lot harder than it was in high school and college lol. It kinda sucks having this be my last game but idk if I'll ever be able to /in another game in good faith that I can provide good activity.
Wp Rayn, I should have pushed for your scummy ass lolol.
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On September 16 2018 10:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also it sucked having RoL as scum since I could never get a read on him and hated lynching into unknowns at lylo.
sorry T_T
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On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
GG guys!
This game was a real pleasure for me, I haven’t played Mafia in about five years as I said before the start of the game and getting to play with TL veterans like Qatol and RoL who I had never never had the chance to play with before.
I was looking forward to Scum hunting but it was quite fun to just shit things up with Rayn instead.
A few thoughts: above all I’m sad that’s TL has devolved so far that having four AFKs in a mini is possible. I never loved the 30 player games but I’m glad they were an option and our minis used to have so many people ready to replace in, what happened?
I don’t know if anyone noticed but I bread crumbed DT d1 as well as checks on Koshi n1 and Qatol n2 I was saving that to create a big WIFOM mess if and when I was lynched. That ‘check’ is also why I had a hard town read on Qatol d3 that inexplicably I was never questioned on.
I still do not understand the d1 Kaley lynch. Can anyone explain why they thought that was a good idea? She was actively participating in the game and had reads (admittedly bad ones with bad reasoning but she was playing and looked pretty townie I thought)
The d2 lynch was equally disorganized and ended up as poorly as d1. Damdred looked like a fine lynch to me but the town needed to organize better around making us actually commit to something. There was never a lynch where we felt pressure as to where to put our votes. The inactive players really screwed town over here by allowing the scum team to be everywhere.
D3 Rayn and I really took control of the thread and I feel bad for Qatol trying to figure out what was happening while Rayn and I created a mess in his head. I quite enjoyed our play towards RoL just in case our night kill didn’t go through for some reason.
N3 we shot Prplhz and roleblocked him to ensure if he was vet he couldn’t keep himself alive. None of town had hard town reads on him so I figured if there was a doc we would be safe with our shot on Prplhz.
Koshi: I mentioned this in the mafia qt but your vigi shot was very poor, in a game like this you needed to vig an inactive. I’m told Holyflare is now quite good as town so bogging him night one is a high risk low reward play.
Qatol: I really enjoyed playing with you, you were clearly trying to figure things out to the very end. You were excellent.
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
Thanks! I enjoyed playing with you too, even if I was obviously absolutely outplayed.
Why did you shoot Koshi n1?
At least for me, the d1 Kaley lynch was that she refused to explain anything. She accused rayn and me and didn't explain why, even after being pressed repeatedly. Instead, she insisted on doing that rapping and summary stuff and then devolved into a flamewar with rayn. I didn't see it helping the town and I felt like it was hurting the atmosphere. I'll admit that some of it was also the flamewar, which I saw Kaley as starting. I'm very uncomfortable when the thread gets like that. I really do think it's extremely sad that being nice is a reason to scumread someone.
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On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
I shall succeed......eventually. I'll guess Promethelax.
On September 16 2018 09:42 Qatol wrote:
It is super disappointing that pretty much every single townie in the game suspected me so heavily (which I'll admit was almost certainly my fault). I'm still not even sure what I did wrong on that front.
I think most players should have had a solid town read on you by day three considering your clear efforts to coordinate the town votes.
I noticed that you tend to ask a lot of questions in your posts, which is fine to drive discussion especially in a low activity game, but I think there were cases where your questions may have put certain townies on the defensive. When players are put in a position to explain themselves it has the potential to rub them the wrong way and make them feel threatened if they feel that you're misrepresenting them. Perhaps posts like these could have benefited from a more neutral line of questioning or better suited as a conclusion to share with the rest of the thread instead of further questioning.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 11 2018 03:13 Qatol wrote:
So you asked me to do that post just for giggles? Why ask for a post and then not discuss anything in it other than its length? On September 11 2018 23:41 Qatol wrote:
What the heck is this? This looks like you restated post #286, except you don't identify the posts where Koshi hinted he had a role (posts 76, 246, and 252).
Why is HolyFlare a good N1 medic target? Koshi was sumreading HF really hard. In fact, Koshi thought HF was scummy enough to use a vigi shot on him. Shouldn't that mean "do not shoot HF at all costs?" On September 12 2018 07:50 Qatol wrote:
Or because I was reading the thread? I still don't see how you don't see it. This isn't rocket science.
On a separate topic, there were a bunch of people that weren't aware the game had started and ended up missing day one completely. I know signups tend to drag on recently, but people really need to get into the habit of checking the thread every couple of days after they sign up. I probably should have sent out confirmation PMs first, but with signups taking two and a half weeks I was afraid that the game would fall apart if we waited any longer to start. As far as activity, I don't think a 50 page game is really a problem as long as everyone is reading the thread a couple times a cycle, but there were a few players who didn't really meet the bare minimum effort. I know it's sometimes unavoidable when real life kicks in, but hopefully people can make sure it doesn't become a habit when they sign up.
I think rayn had a really strong game pushing the mafia agenda while looking townie in the process. The fact that several townies are apologizing to rayn after a mislynch says a lot. The interaction with Meapak seemed a bit overboard and the name calling isn't really necessary, but otherwise the play was really solid. Town was so spread out with their votes that mafia could really easily pick whatever inactives they wanted for the lynch.
Serg played a nice side kick role by never really saying anything that would draw attention to him, but still doing enough to split the thread and distance himself from his buddies. I think the only way he ever would have been nailed was by process of elimination. There was one point where I thought mafia might be starting to throw where the idea of a RoL lynch was suggested, but you guys quickly recovered after that. Serg disappearing from the thread afterwards was especially nice since it limited town's options by having them think that your vote was locked in.
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On September 16 2018 14:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions. I shall succeed......eventually. I'll guess Promethelax. Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 09:42 Qatol wrote:
It is super disappointing that pretty much every single townie in the game suspected me so heavily (which I'll admit was almost certainly my fault). I'm still not even sure what I did wrong on that front. I think most players should have had a solid town read on you by day three considering your clear efforts to coordinate the town votes. I noticed that you tend to ask a lot of questions in your posts, which is fine to drive discussion especially in a low activity game, but I think there were cases where your questions may have put certain townies on the defensive. When players are put in a position to explain themselves it has the potential to rub them the wrong way and make them feel threatened if they feel that you're misrepresenting them. Perhaps posts like these could have benefited from a more neutral line of questioning or better suited as a conclusion to share with the rest of the thread instead of further questioning. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2018 03:13 Qatol wrote:
So you asked me to do that post just for giggles? Why ask for a post and then not discuss anything in it other than its length? On September 11 2018 23:41 Qatol wrote:
What the heck is this? This looks like you restated post #286, except you don't identify the posts where Koshi hinted he had a role (posts 76, 246, and 252).
Why is HolyFlare a good N1 medic target? Koshi was sumreading HF really hard. In fact, Koshi thought HF was scummy enough to use a vigi shot on him. Shouldn't that mean "do not shoot HF at all costs?" On September 12 2018 07:50 Qatol wrote:
Or because I was reading the thread? I still don't see how you don't see it. This isn't rocket science. On a separate topic, there were a bunch of people that weren't aware the game had started and ended up missing day one completely. I know signups tend to drag on recently, but people really need to get into the habit of checking the thread every couple of days after they sign up. I probably should have sent out confirmation PMs first, but with signups taking two and a half weeks I was afraid that the game would fall apart if we waited any longer to start. As far as activity, I don't think a 50 page game is really a problem as long as everyone is reading the thread a couple times a cycle, but there were a few players who didn't really meet the bare minimum effort. I know it's sometimes unavoidable when real life kicks in, but hopefully people can make sure it doesn't become a habit when they sign up. I think rayn had a really strong game pushing the mafia agenda while looking townie in the process. The fact that several townies are apologizing to rayn after a mislynch says a lot. The interaction with Meapak seemed a bit overboard and the name calling isn't really necessary, but otherwise the play was really solid. Town was so spread out with their votes that mafia could really easily pick whatever inactives they wanted for the lynch. Serg played a nice side kick role by never really saying anything that would draw attention to him, but still doing enough to split the thread and distance himself from his buddies. I think the only way he ever would have been nailed was by process of elimination. There was one point where I thought mafia might be starting to throw where the idea of a RoL lynch was suggested, but you guys quickly recovered after that. Serg disappearing from the thread afterwards was especially nice since it limited town's options by having them think that your vote was locked in.
Understood. Thanks for pointing that out. I definitely lost my composure at various times, especially during day 2. It felt like people weren't reading what I was writing and/or causing me to spend a lot of time writing for no reason and I let it get to me. I apologized to Kelsier right after that (and I meant it), but I also want to apologize to rels and prplhz. I shouldn't have acted like that. If there's anyone else I missed, I apologize to you as well.
The game would have taken absolutely forever to get started if you tried to wait for confirmation PMs. My only advice on that front is I wouldn't have started the game on a Thursday night/Friday morning (depending on time zones). Notice that everyone except RoL showed up the following Monday.
I agree; rayn played great, but I wasn't a fan of the name calling either. This might just be a conflict of cultures though; I'm not used to people posting like that in mafia threads. Back when I played actively, the hosts were pretty strict on that kind of thing, so the argument between rayn and Kaley was a bit of a shock. I'm not sure I would have been as engaged in the game if Kaley hadn't been lynched, stopping that argument. However, to rayn's credit, posting like that did make me not want to take a position against him pretty much ever.
Sergio did a good job too, though I think we probably would have caught him eventually through process of elimination. He was on a couple of lists for exactly that reason. I didn't catch his DT breadcrumbs, but that's partially because I never really believed there would be anything other than a veteran (who, ironically, I thought would be rayn because he didn't seem worried about dying at night) after we had a vigi flip night 1. Too few players for a medic or especially for a DT. You're absolutely right about him disappearing when he did being a stroke of genius. As far as I was concerned, as soon as he disappeared, the votes were locked in. It didn't hurt that Meapak actually disappeared to give further weight to that.
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On September 16 2018 10:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
fuck me man
I should have lynched rayn for the fit he pulled in the thread.
Actually why did you that rayn? You could have quietly lynched rels with me and still won. Oh well, hurts to have 2/3 and just be off by the order you went in.
I just tried to spew disorganization the last hours of D3 so noone gets any ideas. I have probably done it before.. The idea was -- when Rels started posting -- to keep him talking about what i want him to talk about so he doesn't talk about anything that could make him look like town, because i had no idea where the votes would have ended in case Rels suddenly started looking townie.
Also you had the idea that Rels has to be mafia with me so why would i vote for Rels? Probably made you want to kill him even more.
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I like that the game wasn't so spammy, makes it easier to join and I don't think it makes it impossible to play.
Well played!
Also sorry to kita and everybody for being afk the first day.
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Ideally, you guys should want to establish some ground rules on what optimal town behavior is supposed to entail. Kind of like a town constitution. And realize that enforcing a good constitution automatically means upholding the appeal of playing forum mafia in general.
Once you've spent some time thinking about what constitutes a failure to abide by sensible townplay, adding new entries as more games are played, you might come up with a decent version of DOs and especially DON'Ts. And then it will be blatantly ridiculous for game hosts to compliment play the likes rayn has exhibited here.
Also, some of Kita's gifs were too big.
4+ MB, cmon.
If people don't feel like rolelplaying as anti-intuitive, newbie versions of themselves for the sake of complying with the game name then stuff like what he pulled wouldn't end well for mafia. Imho rayn played like crap on so many levels, while sadly not single-handedly cheating me out of a pleasurable TL Mafia debut experience, because he was encouraged every step of the way, culminating in post-game praise, which I find supremely distasteful.
I figure you find yourself applauding noob scumplay because of a general lack of cohesion to step up for the common good and reject the bad.
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Who are you kaley? Besides being british
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Kaley is a new person. I also agree with them but take note that they also contributed heavily to the toxicity on day 1.
I would have loved to play in this game but would have probably tried to lynch Qatol day 2.
The reason I, and likely many others, scum read you is because you made too many assumptions that to me looked like TMI. When prplhz asked why Koshi was shot and you said it was obviously because he was blue and here were his crumbs it looked really off. The same with how you treated the damdred lynch, providing no proper case or alternative and then berating (not negatively) for an afk lynch.
I think that's a fault on my part mostly though because if I thought a little deeper Koshi wasn't shot because he was obviously blue. I figured that out after the Vivax rb claim and death (which I also thought made Vivax mafia). The fact they didn't rb Koshi meant he was just a kill like any other. Since he wasn't playing great at all then it was far more likely to be a rayn night kill or possibly rels/kelsier than any other.
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On September 17 2018 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Kaley is a new person. I also agree with them but take note that they also contributed heavily to the toxicity on day 1.
I would have loved to play in this game but would have probably tried to lynch Qatol day 2.
The reason I, and likely many others, scum read you is because you made too many assumptions that to me looked like TMI. When prplhz asked why Koshi was shot and you said it was obviously because he was blue and here were his crumbs it looked really off. The same with how you treated the damdred lynch, providing no proper case or alternative and then berating (not negatively) for an afk lynch.
I think that's a fault on my part mostly though because if I thought a little deeper Koshi wasn't shot because he was obviously blue. I figured that out after the Vivax rb claim and death (which I also thought made Vivax mafia). The fact they didn't rb Koshi meant he was just a kill like any other. Since he wasn't playing great at all then it was far more likely to be a rayn night kill or possibly rels/kelsier than any other.
Thanks! I'll keep this in mind if I ever find the time to play again.
One thing to point out: if they read Koshi as specifically vigi, the correct move is not to rb him because it was pretty clear you were his #1 scum read. Letting the vigi hit through on a townie speeds up lylo by one day, unless a night hit gets blocked.
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I don't think any reasonable person would expect Koshi to nk me n1 over any given afker though.
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It felt like Koshi just wanted to shoot holyflare no matter what, which was pretty spiteful. With an inactive town and two decent townies dead after N1, it was always going to be an uphill struggle.
Thanks for hosting and well played mafia.
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On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
GG guys!
This game was a real pleasure for me, I haven’t played Mafia in about five years as I said before the start of the game and getting to play with TL veterans like Qatol and RoL who I had never never had the chance to play with before.
I was looking forward to Scum hunting but it was quite fun to just shit things up with Rayn instead.
A few thoughts: above all I’m sad that’s TL has devolved so far that having four AFKs in a mini is possible. I never loved the 30 player games but I’m glad they were an option and our minis used to have so many people ready to replace in, what happened?
I don’t know if anyone noticed but I bread crumbed DT d1 as well as checks on Koshi n1 and Qatol n2 I was saving that to create a big WIFOM mess if and when I was lynched. That ‘check’ is also why I had a hard town read on Qatol d3 that inexplicably I was never questioned on.
I still do not understand the d1 Kaley lynch. Can anyone explain why they thought that was a good idea? She was actively participating in the game and had reads (admittedly bad ones with bad reasoning but she was playing and looked pretty townie I thought)
The d2 lynch was equally disorganized and ended up as poorly as d1. Damdred looked like a fine lynch to me but the town needed to organize better around making us actually commit to something. There was never a lynch where we felt pressure as to where to put our votes. The inactive players really screwed town over here by allowing the scum team to be everywhere.
D3 Rayn and I really took control of the thread and I feel bad for Qatol trying to figure out what was happening while Rayn and I created a mess in his head. I quite enjoyed our play towards RoL just in case our night kill didn’t go through for some reason.
N3 we shot Prplhz and roleblocked him to ensure if he was vet he couldn’t keep himself alive. None of town had hard town reads on him so I figured if there was a doc we would be safe with our shot on Prplhz.
Koshi: I mentioned this in the mafia qt but your vigi shot was very poor, in a game like this you needed to vig an inactive. I’m told Holyflare is now quite good as town so bogging him night one is a high risk low reward play.
Qatol: I really enjoyed playing with you, you were clearly trying to figure things out to the very end. You were excellent.
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
Nisani
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Nha wouldnt have guessed d1. Should have shot rol. Sry HF.
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