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On August 28 2018 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: o shit Better rename this game vet mafia lol I haven't played in so long I might as well be a newbie. I think the thread title fits just fine.  | ||
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On August 28 2018 08:26 kitaman27 wrote: lol hiya Qatol. If we can get 13 players by the weekend, I'll promise to update the database. Don't pass up this once in a lifetime offer! Hiya! Congrats on the star! | ||
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On September 07 2018 20:13 Kaley wrote: RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting he's glad another game is churning Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet nobody's got a concept of how to start shit worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee is vivax for real i don't know oh jee he might be mafia as half of ya believe he's really just trying to be constructively foretelling alignemn like theees 2018. Lesbatron with that conf townie vibe, best belieeev This is too much effort spent on what is essentially a summary of early game spam posts. I'm generally suspicious of summary posts anyways, as they generally fall into the category of "appearing to contribute but not really contributing." Considering the game state, something smells fishy to me. ##vote Kaley | ||
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On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote: And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit. I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated. I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere. Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum. Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both. Unfortunately, I predate everyone here except RebirthOfLegend, so my meta reads are nonexistent. I've helped host a game that Meapak played in, but, unless I'm forgetting something, I haven't played with him. I'm not so sure about your Koshi read without more. You lost me when you say "he is aware of how he appears." Do you mean he showed he is nervous with his "I am town" post? That looked like relatively typical early game fluff to me. Interesting that you read Kaley as carefree. What about it is so different about the picture to you than, for example, Kelsier posting about coffee? | ||
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On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote: I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far. I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people. Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. I don't know if overanalyzing is the right word. The first 24 hours of a game are often the most obnoxious because there isn't much to talk about; I think Sergio accusing someone gives us meaningful discussion to look at, as opposed to "the next person to post is mafia." Sergio hasn't said anything so far that makes me think tunnel vision is occurring. Why exactly do you think Kaley going after rayn without providing any reasoning is a town action? Kaley claims to be new, so what makes rayn different from anyone else? Also, why are you worried about bandwagon votes, rather than just straight up looking for them? | ||
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On September 08 2018 01:06 Kaley wrote: RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting he glad another game is churning Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet nobody's got a concept of how to start shit worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee too Qats a hater hatin on my my rhymin oh boo hoo votes a tron saying there ain't nothin to be townread n a resume n that i be spending effort i should go to bed but nah, this shits like breathin for me fool once i get into the groove i be spittin just to keep myself enthused ...y'all be trippin, if y'all think i should quit this sick spittahn all y'all gotta do is vote me outa tha game, your read is lame sergiovahn but don't be alarmed it's only page 2 you got a lot of chances ahead of you but don't you go 180 on yours tru ly i hope you keep me where I also happen to be cuz i'm town my homie as i said don't go degree on me but if you scum tho you're bout to fall on your face and then i'll be there to make a sick case but yo kayls I ain't no smurf i'm new to this turf and i'm the lesbatron so don't be callin me a he, sergio, son And don't you let qat give you that veteran crap nee duh my reads are rayn and qat to 2/3 be the .. mafia team i'm bout intervene just watch me Charlie Sheen n place this vote on rayn ftw. vote: raynpelikoneet Translated into English: rehash of early game filler, Qatol is a hater for picking on my rhyming, sergio has bad reads, I'm town and I think Qatol and rayn are mafia. Again, I fail to see how this is really contributing. There is no reasoning. Why is sergio's read lame? What did rayn say that made you vote him? This is posting to make it look like you're contributing when you really aren't doing anything. | ||
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On September 08 2018 02:58 Vivax wrote: The reason I think that it is unlikely for mafia kaley to push a town rayn is that he's typically one of the guys you can expect a lot of resistance from. Conversely I see it more likely that a mafia goes after kaley here when a town rayn already hinted that he would lynch for rping. Why would a new player know that rayn is going to provide a lot of resistance? Unless you think the mafia are coordinating the people they are going to accuse in thread? I fail to see how this point weighs in either direction unless the mafia are doing a lot of communicating behind the scenes or Kaley is a smurf. | ||
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I think that Kaley's most recent post is circular and conclusory (rayn is mafia therefore the stuff rayn is posting is scummy therefore rayn is mafia) without pointing out specific language. As a result, it really isn't helpful and doesn't do anything to change my opinion of the situation. I agree that Koshi isn't really contributing very seriously and he should be looked at as a more serious lynch candidate in the near future. His posts generally are not helping the town, with the possible exception of his halfhearted stabs at me, which at least potentially foster discussion. However, I don't agree with calling him scummy for not posting his town reads, at least if those townies are not under threat of lynch and he himself is not about to die. More importantly, I think we currently have better candidates for potential lynching in Vivax (who has admitted to making a read on no information) and Kaley (who, at best, is being actively destructive to the town atmosphere). By the way (kitaman or mocsta please correct me if I'm wrong), the game has 48 hour days, and you don't need to vote every 24 hours, only post once every 24 hours. I'm more concerned about the players (Meapak, Rels, RoL, Damdred, and prplhz) who haven't posted at all yet. I'm not reading anything into holyflare's post except "I want to meet the posting requirement, so here's a quick post that does that." I'll worry more about him if we don't see something more substantial over the weekend. | ||
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My personal context on the subject for anyone who cares: + Show Spoiler + I was one of the original forces behind inactivity modkills on TL (for those who don't know I was the original moderator of the ban list), mostly as a result of this game. The town was so inactive the mafia could take the strategy of night killing anyone who voted, while at the same time hiding amongst the inactives themselves. The end of that game was a miserable experience, with inactivity literally deciding the game. | ||
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Plus, we're getting posts like this: On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote: Sergio is almost lock town for me rayn Koshi and KSC look town too I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. However, the thing that is most perplexing about the situation is Kaley's insistence on staying in character and getting in a flamewar with rayn rather than providing any real analysis. Kaley, you're spending the time to put together semi-rhymes. Why not at least point to the words rayn has posted that are making you push for him so hard? From what I can tell, your original read came from him stating that he would policy lynch people who posted rp/ms paint. He hadn't even said anything about you before you started trying to aggravate him. As I have mentioned repeatedly, you really haven't posted anything that helps the town. Instead, your posts have been inflammatory and disruptive. As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you. | ||
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On September 09 2018 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it really doesn't matter anymore what Qatol says in terms of "i need to wait". I was kinda hoping you wouldnt have made that post HF in case youre town as i was kinda hoping Qatol would have used the "i voted Kaley first" as an asnwer to your question if he's mafia. But you kinda blew it there... Why did you decide to vote for Qatol? Instead of Serge? Did you think you would really gather momentum to lynch Qatol over Kaly (who you read as town -- aka you are trying to, or should be, save them)? At least Kelsier would have possibly followed you onto your other scumread. Who did you think will vote for Qatol at that point? Okay let me address this. I hadn't posted on Holyflare's vote because, quite frankly, his argument is ridiculous, mischaracterizes the situation, and causes a distraction. That being said, because people are asking me to respond, let me break things down. (Sorry I couldn't respond sooner, but you waited between 5am and 6am my time, so it wasn't going to happen) On September 09 2018 06:23 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote: Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. Plus, we're getting posts like this: Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. However, the thing that is most perplexing about the situation is Kaley's insistence on staying in character and getting in a flamewar with rayn rather than providing any real analysis. Kaley, you're spending the time to put together semi-rhymes. Why not at least point to the words rayn has posted that are making you push for him so hard? From what I can tell, your original read came from him stating that he would policy lynch people who posted rp/ms paint. He hadn't even said anything about you before you started trying to aggravate him. As I have mentioned repeatedly, you really haven't posted anything that helps the town. Instead, your posts have been inflammatory and disruptive. As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you. ##vote Qatol This is so contradictory. You can't understand why there is no push back (maybe the fact that Kaley could be town?) so you'll vote Kaley regardless? It's not even a reason to scum read Kaley. Kaley is poking at rayn because rayn's points blatantly pointed towards policy lynching Kaley. You are simply voting the highest wagon (that could well be town) that is currently active under the guise of policy/scum lynch. I do indeed mention that there is no push back on Kaley, which could mean that Kaley is town. If you look back at previous posts I have made, I repeatedly been asked Kaley to post something, anything productive. Instead, she insisted on her "raps" and throwing personal attacks at rayn with no logic. I agree that there not being pushback isn't a reason to scum read Kaley. However, this isn't my first post on Kaley. If you look at my filter, it's actually my 6th post that mentions Kaley. My scumread was based on Kaley doing her best to disrupt and distract the town without actually contributing. Again, in those posts, just like in the one you pointed out, I have been asking Kaley to contribute. Finally, the wagon. I was the first to vote Kaley. As I mentioned above, I also made a large amount of the discussion on Kaley. Hardly a bandwagon vote. In fact, the only votes that could reasonably be considered bandwagon votes are your own vote and Rels (rayn's vote occurred at a time when there was 4 different players with 1 vote for them and thus is more of a vote that pointed us in a direction). You further clarify this point later in the thread by saying this: On September 09 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote: I didn't realise Qatol had voted Kaley before that post. Regardless, the point still stands. The post you're so worried about clearly states "As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you." You even went through the effort to bold this portion of my post. Are you now trying to state that you took the effort to accuse me based on this post, and even specifically bold this portion of the post but didn't read it? | ||
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On September 09 2018 23:30 Holyflare wrote: Now, if we could get back to actually relevant stuff. People that aren't rayn talking about Qatol would be good. Rayn talking about Kelsier posts would also be good. Okay, let me comment one more time on this because you requested it and because you have posted a few other things that simply aren't true. The big one is the reason for my read on Kaley. On September 09 2018 23:22 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 09 2018 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this: You are saying this: When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless: 1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened) 2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia). Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town? About three people called Kaley mafia because they were posting in rhymes and being specifically antagonistic towards you. It's the entire basis for Qatol's scum read even. Just because I don't agree with you or other people that this makes Kaley mafia does not also infer I think Kaley is town nor is it a town read. It's a read that means I don't think that specific point makes that specific person mafia. I don't know why you are trying so hard to put words in my mouth that I never quite said but you should stop. It was not because she was antagonistic towards rayn. It was because she wasn't contributing and was actively trying to distract people from useful conversation. Her first post was a summary of spam. Her second post was an attempt to provoke a policy lynch. Her third post was another summary of spam (after being called out on it) and then attacks on rayn and myself without providing any reasoning. Her posts after that point were basically just a mixture of accusing rayn as mafia (again, without reasoning) and personal attacks on rayn. How is that helpful, pro-town behavior? I also find it amusing that you are worried about other people putting words in your mouth when that's exactly what you just did. | ||
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I see another post I'd like to discuss. On September 09 2018 05:45 Koshi wrote: No. Kaley is fine. But after that it is HF and not Sergio. Because Sergio is linked to hf. And he tried. Koshi, please explain your logic around when the voting ended. I understand you have a scum read on HolyFlare and a town read on Sergio. This post makes it seem like you were also okay with the Kaley lynch. My question is why did you leave your vote where you did? It was pretty obvious at the time that HolyFlare was unlikely to be the lynch. You seem to acknowledge that yourself. So why leave your vote on HolyFlare, making a last second vote switch from Kaley to someone you don't want to see lynched, such as Sergio, more likely? | ||
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On September 09 2018 01:57 Vivax wrote: I don't think Sergio is mafia. But he seems to be a bit of a dick if he asks rayn to play nice then proceeds to call Koshis posts trash. I think Koshi is rather townie. I think we should lynch RoL, cause RoL always flips mafia. ##Vote RoL So you have town reads on Sergio and Koshi. Your filter reveals you wanting to refrain from scumreading anyone. You softly defend Kaley and softly scumread me here: On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote: I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far. I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people. Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them. But then you back off from it here: On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote: I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me. That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. But then, out of nowhere, you decide to vote for RoL, someone who hasn't even posted, has no votes on him, and is thus extremely unlikely to be lynched. Why? Just so your vote won't matter? How do you think that helps? You're just making it easier for the mafia to influence the vote. Especially in a game that's this as inactive as this one has been, this vote sticks out, considering you have been actively posting in the thread. This vote looks to me like you are afraid to take a stand against anyone. This really looks to me like you could be mafia who is pleased with how the lynch is going and didn't want to be accused of making a bandwagon vote. So please explain. | ||
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On September 10 2018 05:24 Sergiovan wrote: Qatol: you defense of yourself in #247 seems misplaced. You either aren’t reading or aren’t actually moving with the thread. HF is saying that your claim that there was no pushback on Kaley is scummy and your defense is “I said that there was pushback” and you say “there not being pushback isn't a reason to scum read Kaley.” But isn’t that actually a reason to have a town read on Kaley? You said so in your previous post. You are have a big post to defend yourself which relies on its length rather than its quality to achieve that defense. Qatol, based on the above post moves to the red column. I question whether you are reading my post correctly, or my double negatives made things confusing. I agree that there being no push back on Kaley is a reason to town read Kaley. I made that point repeatedly, both in the post that HolyFlare pointed out (#200) and again in the one you mentioned (#247), albeit with a double negative. That was the strongest argument in favor of not lynching Kaley. I said so in both posts. The whole point of post #200 was to, again, give Kaley an opportunity to do something pro-town and to question whether we were doing the right thing by lynching her. If you think that the post was made for the sheer sake of length, then I simply don't understand where you're coming from. Again, I question whether you actually read the entire post. Maybe you're trying to encourage others not to read my posts? | ||
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I'm willing to have my mind changed, but for now, that's where my vote is going. ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On September 10 2018 15:19 prplhz wrote: @Qatol Explain to me the night kills as if I were stupid! No problem. Koshi shoots HolyFlare Mafia shoots Koshi Koshi has been focused on HolyFlare pretty much ever since HolyFlare jumped onto the Kaley bandwagon. He also said HolyFlare was his #1 lynch priority. It makes sense he would use his vigilante shot on HolyFlare. As to why the mafia shot Koshi, I can't say for sure. I can think of a couple of potential reasons, any or all of which could be why Koshi was the target. 1. They might have figured out that Koshi was blue. He kinda gave it away with this post: On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote: I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town. Specifically, he was unnaturally nervous about being lynched day 1. This screams blue. Looking back, although I didn't catch it at the time, Koshi kinda gave away that he was a vigilante later by asking rayn (#246) and myself (#252) about our opinions of HolyFlare. 2. They might have been trying to shoot active, contributing townies that were unlikely to be watched by a medic. In a game with as many inactives as this one, this is, sadly, a solid strategy. 3. They might have been trying to protect Sergiovan. Although Koshi's #1 target was HolyFlare, he says this: On September 10 2018 04:55 Koshi wrote: I dont tr Sergio. Because if HF is mafia Sergio is likely as well. And I think HF is mafia. There are a few problems with this one, at least on its own: a) We don't know how Koshi would have reacted to Sergiovan after HolyFlare flipped town. b) Why kill Koshi before he tried to get the town to waste the day 2 lynch on HolyFlare? | ||
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Prplhz: why did you ask me to do that explanation? | ||
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