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On September 16 2018 09:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 01:08 Qatol wrote:On September 15 2018 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
huh
Well my bad rayn, guess I should have decided to go full sheep on vivax.
I guess the team really was Kels/Qatol and then prplhz or RoL. No bad feelings Rayn. Not quite. I'm clearly pretty bad at this.  It's probably something like Kelsier/RoL and then prplhz or Sergio. I even knew something was probably up when RoL sheeped me onto Rels; I just questioned whether I was wrong for too long. Sorry for not following your read, rayn. yeah. Sorry for inactivty. I assume you are the one that prompted Ver to text me? I straight up didn't know the game was going on most of the time. When I showed up town was kind of already in shambles. Day 3 the two main people up weren't even mafia.
Yeah, I thought he might get your attention. My read on rayn was flat out wrong (well done rayn), and I spent way too much time defending myself instead of scumhunting. I'm glad to hear my read on Kelsier was right at least.
It is super disappointing that pretty much every single townie in the game suspected me so heavily (which I'll admit was almost certainly my fault). I'm still not even sure what I did wrong on that front. If anyone has a guess, please tell me; I would honestly like to know.
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GG guys!
This game was a real pleasure for me, I haven’t played Mafia in about five years as I said before the start of the game and getting to play with TL veterans like Qatol and RoL who I had never never had the chance to play with before.
I was looking forward to Scum hunting but it was quite fun to just shit things up with Rayn instead.
A few thoughts: above all I’m sad that’s TL has devolved so far that having four AFKs in a mini is possible. I never loved the 30 player games but I’m glad they were an option and our minis used to have so many people ready to replace in, what happened?
I don’t know if anyone noticed but I bread crumbed DT d1 as well as checks on Koshi n1 and Qatol n2 I was saving that to create a big WIFOM mess if and when I was lynched. That ‘check’ is also why I had a hard town read on Qatol d3 that inexplicably I was never questioned on.
I still do not understand the d1 Kaley lynch. Can anyone explain why they thought that was a good idea? She was actively participating in the game and had reads (admittedly bad ones with bad reasoning but she was playing and looked pretty townie I thought)
The d2 lynch was equally disorganized and ended up as poorly as d1. Damdred looked like a fine lynch to me but the town needed to organize better around making us actually commit to something. There was never a lynch where we felt pressure as to where to put our votes. The inactive players really screwed town over here by allowing the scum team to be everywhere.
D3 Rayn and I really took control of the thread and I feel bad for Qatol trying to figure out what was happening while Rayn and I created a mess in his head. I quite enjoyed our play towards RoL just in case our night kill didn’t go through for some reason.
N3 we shot Prplhz and roleblocked him to ensure if he was vet he couldn’t keep himself alive. None of town had hard town reads on him so I figured if there was a doc we would be safe with our shot on Prplhz.
Koshi: I mentioned this in the mafia qt but your vigi shot was very poor, in a game like this you needed to vig an inactive. I’m told Holyflare is now quite good as town so bogging him night one is a high risk low reward play.
Qatol: I really enjoyed playing with you, you were clearly trying to figure things out to the very end. You were excellent.
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
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Oh also: Kita your gifs were perfect
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fuck me man
I should have lynched rayn for the fit he pulled in the thread.
Actually why did you that rayn? You could have quietly lynched rels with me and still won. Oh well, hurts to have 2/3 and just be off by the order you went in.
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Also it sucked having RoL as scum since I could never get a read on him and hated lynching into unknowns at lylo.
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Parting shots:
Thanks for hosting Kita, you my boy even 3 years later. I wish I had been able to be more active but I'm not sure that would have changed anything since I felt like I was either talking to Qatol or Rayn for most of the game. Guess having IRL jobs makes mafia a lot harder than it was in high school and college lol. It kinda sucks having this be my last game but idk if I'll ever be able to /in another game in good faith that I can provide good activity.
Wp Rayn, I should have pushed for your scummy ass lolol.
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On September 16 2018 10:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also it sucked having RoL as scum since I could never get a read on him and hated lynching into unknowns at lylo.
sorry T_T
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On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
GG guys!
This game was a real pleasure for me, I haven’t played Mafia in about five years as I said before the start of the game and getting to play with TL veterans like Qatol and RoL who I had never never had the chance to play with before.
I was looking forward to Scum hunting but it was quite fun to just shit things up with Rayn instead.
A few thoughts: above all I’m sad that’s TL has devolved so far that having four AFKs in a mini is possible. I never loved the 30 player games but I’m glad they were an option and our minis used to have so many people ready to replace in, what happened?
I don’t know if anyone noticed but I bread crumbed DT d1 as well as checks on Koshi n1 and Qatol n2 I was saving that to create a big WIFOM mess if and when I was lynched. That ‘check’ is also why I had a hard town read on Qatol d3 that inexplicably I was never questioned on.
I still do not understand the d1 Kaley lynch. Can anyone explain why they thought that was a good idea? She was actively participating in the game and had reads (admittedly bad ones with bad reasoning but she was playing and looked pretty townie I thought)
The d2 lynch was equally disorganized and ended up as poorly as d1. Damdred looked like a fine lynch to me but the town needed to organize better around making us actually commit to something. There was never a lynch where we felt pressure as to where to put our votes. The inactive players really screwed town over here by allowing the scum team to be everywhere.
D3 Rayn and I really took control of the thread and I feel bad for Qatol trying to figure out what was happening while Rayn and I created a mess in his head. I quite enjoyed our play towards RoL just in case our night kill didn’t go through for some reason.
N3 we shot Prplhz and roleblocked him to ensure if he was vet he couldn’t keep himself alive. None of town had hard town reads on him so I figured if there was a doc we would be safe with our shot on Prplhz.
Koshi: I mentioned this in the mafia qt but your vigi shot was very poor, in a game like this you needed to vig an inactive. I’m told Holyflare is now quite good as town so bogging him night one is a high risk low reward play.
Qatol: I really enjoyed playing with you, you were clearly trying to figure things out to the very end. You were excellent.
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
Thanks! I enjoyed playing with you too, even if I was obviously absolutely outplayed.
Why did you shoot Koshi n1?
At least for me, the d1 Kaley lynch was that she refused to explain anything. She accused rayn and me and didn't explain why, even after being pressed repeatedly. Instead, she insisted on doing that rapping and summary stuff and then devolved into a flamewar with rayn. I didn't see it helping the town and I felt like it was hurting the atmosphere. I'll admit that some of it was also the flamewar, which I saw Kaley as starting. I'm very uncomfortable when the thread gets like that. I really do think it's extremely sad that being nice is a reason to scumread someone.
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On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
I shall succeed......eventually. I'll guess Promethelax.
On September 16 2018 09:42 Qatol wrote:
It is super disappointing that pretty much every single townie in the game suspected me so heavily (which I'll admit was almost certainly my fault). I'm still not even sure what I did wrong on that front.
I think most players should have had a solid town read on you by day three considering your clear efforts to coordinate the town votes.
I noticed that you tend to ask a lot of questions in your posts, which is fine to drive discussion especially in a low activity game, but I think there were cases where your questions may have put certain townies on the defensive. When players are put in a position to explain themselves it has the potential to rub them the wrong way and make them feel threatened if they feel that you're misrepresenting them. Perhaps posts like these could have benefited from a more neutral line of questioning or better suited as a conclusion to share with the rest of the thread instead of further questioning.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 11 2018 03:13 Qatol wrote:
So you asked me to do that post just for giggles? Why ask for a post and then not discuss anything in it other than its length? On September 11 2018 23:41 Qatol wrote:
What the heck is this? This looks like you restated post #286, except you don't identify the posts where Koshi hinted he had a role (posts 76, 246, and 252).
Why is HolyFlare a good N1 medic target? Koshi was sumreading HF really hard. In fact, Koshi thought HF was scummy enough to use a vigi shot on him. Shouldn't that mean "do not shoot HF at all costs?" On September 12 2018 07:50 Qatol wrote:
Or because I was reading the thread? I still don't see how you don't see it. This isn't rocket science.
On a separate topic, there were a bunch of people that weren't aware the game had started and ended up missing day one completely. I know signups tend to drag on recently, but people really need to get into the habit of checking the thread every couple of days after they sign up. I probably should have sent out confirmation PMs first, but with signups taking two and a half weeks I was afraid that the game would fall apart if we waited any longer to start. As far as activity, I don't think a 50 page game is really a problem as long as everyone is reading the thread a couple times a cycle, but there were a few players who didn't really meet the bare minimum effort. I know it's sometimes unavoidable when real life kicks in, but hopefully people can make sure it doesn't become a habit when they sign up.
I think rayn had a really strong game pushing the mafia agenda while looking townie in the process. The fact that several townies are apologizing to rayn after a mislynch says a lot. The interaction with Meapak seemed a bit overboard and the name calling isn't really necessary, but otherwise the play was really solid. Town was so spread out with their votes that mafia could really easily pick whatever inactives they wanted for the lynch.
Serg played a nice side kick role by never really saying anything that would draw attention to him, but still doing enough to split the thread and distance himself from his buddies. I think the only way he ever would have been nailed was by process of elimination. There was one point where I thought mafia might be starting to throw where the idea of a RoL lynch was suggested, but you guys quickly recovered after that. Serg disappearing from the thread afterwards was especially nice since it limited town's options by having them think that your vote was locked in.
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On September 16 2018 14:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions. I shall succeed......eventually. I'll guess Promethelax. Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 09:42 Qatol wrote:
It is super disappointing that pretty much every single townie in the game suspected me so heavily (which I'll admit was almost certainly my fault). I'm still not even sure what I did wrong on that front. I think most players should have had a solid town read on you by day three considering your clear efforts to coordinate the town votes. I noticed that you tend to ask a lot of questions in your posts, which is fine to drive discussion especially in a low activity game, but I think there were cases where your questions may have put certain townies on the defensive. When players are put in a position to explain themselves it has the potential to rub them the wrong way and make them feel threatened if they feel that you're misrepresenting them. Perhaps posts like these could have benefited from a more neutral line of questioning or better suited as a conclusion to share with the rest of the thread instead of further questioning. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2018 03:13 Qatol wrote:
So you asked me to do that post just for giggles? Why ask for a post and then not discuss anything in it other than its length? On September 11 2018 23:41 Qatol wrote:
What the heck is this? This looks like you restated post #286, except you don't identify the posts where Koshi hinted he had a role (posts 76, 246, and 252).
Why is HolyFlare a good N1 medic target? Koshi was sumreading HF really hard. In fact, Koshi thought HF was scummy enough to use a vigi shot on him. Shouldn't that mean "do not shoot HF at all costs?" On September 12 2018 07:50 Qatol wrote:
Or because I was reading the thread? I still don't see how you don't see it. This isn't rocket science. On a separate topic, there were a bunch of people that weren't aware the game had started and ended up missing day one completely. I know signups tend to drag on recently, but people really need to get into the habit of checking the thread every couple of days after they sign up. I probably should have sent out confirmation PMs first, but with signups taking two and a half weeks I was afraid that the game would fall apart if we waited any longer to start. As far as activity, I don't think a 50 page game is really a problem as long as everyone is reading the thread a couple times a cycle, but there were a few players who didn't really meet the bare minimum effort. I know it's sometimes unavoidable when real life kicks in, but hopefully people can make sure it doesn't become a habit when they sign up. I think rayn had a really strong game pushing the mafia agenda while looking townie in the process. The fact that several townies are apologizing to rayn after a mislynch says a lot. The interaction with Meapak seemed a bit overboard and the name calling isn't really necessary, but otherwise the play was really solid. Town was so spread out with their votes that mafia could really easily pick whatever inactives they wanted for the lynch. Serg played a nice side kick role by never really saying anything that would draw attention to him, but still doing enough to split the thread and distance himself from his buddies. I think the only way he ever would have been nailed was by process of elimination. There was one point where I thought mafia might be starting to throw where the idea of a RoL lynch was suggested, but you guys quickly recovered after that. Serg disappearing from the thread afterwards was especially nice since it limited town's options by having them think that your vote was locked in.
Understood. Thanks for pointing that out. I definitely lost my composure at various times, especially during day 2. It felt like people weren't reading what I was writing and/or causing me to spend a lot of time writing for no reason and I let it get to me. I apologized to Kelsier right after that (and I meant it), but I also want to apologize to rels and prplhz. I shouldn't have acted like that. If there's anyone else I missed, I apologize to you as well.
The game would have taken absolutely forever to get started if you tried to wait for confirmation PMs. My only advice on that front is I wouldn't have started the game on a Thursday night/Friday morning (depending on time zones). Notice that everyone except RoL showed up the following Monday.
I agree; rayn played great, but I wasn't a fan of the name calling either. This might just be a conflict of cultures though; I'm not used to people posting like that in mafia threads. Back when I played actively, the hosts were pretty strict on that kind of thing, so the argument between rayn and Kaley was a bit of a shock. I'm not sure I would have been as engaged in the game if Kaley hadn't been lynched, stopping that argument. However, to rayn's credit, posting like that did make me not want to take a position against him pretty much ever.
Sergio did a good job too, though I think we probably would have caught him eventually through process of elimination. He was on a couple of lists for exactly that reason. I didn't catch his DT breadcrumbs, but that's partially because I never really believed there would be anything other than a veteran (who, ironically, I thought would be rayn because he didn't seem worried about dying at night) after we had a vigi flip night 1. Too few players for a medic or especially for a DT. You're absolutely right about him disappearing when he did being a stroke of genius. As far as I was concerned, as soon as he disappeared, the votes were locked in. It didn't hurt that Meapak actually disappeared to give further weight to that.
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On September 16 2018 10:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
fuck me man
I should have lynched rayn for the fit he pulled in the thread.
Actually why did you that rayn? You could have quietly lynched rels with me and still won. Oh well, hurts to have 2/3 and just be off by the order you went in.
I just tried to spew disorganization the last hours of D3 so noone gets any ideas. I have probably done it before..  The idea was -- when Rels started posting -- to keep him talking about what i want him to talk about so he doesn't talk about anything that could make him look like town, because i had no idea where the votes would have ended in case Rels suddenly started looking townie.
Also you had the idea that Rels has to be mafia with me so why would i vote for Rels? Probably made you want to kill him even more.
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I like that the game wasn't so spammy, makes it easier to join and I don't think it makes it impossible to play.
Well played!
Also sorry to kita and everybody for being afk the first day.
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Ideally, you guys should want to establish some ground rules on what optimal town behavior is supposed to entail. Kind of like a town constitution. And realize that enforcing a good constitution automatically means upholding the appeal of playing forum mafia in general.
Once you've spent some time thinking about what constitutes a failure to abide by sensible townplay, adding new entries as more games are played, you might come up with a decent version of DOs and especially DON'Ts. And then it will be blatantly ridiculous for game hosts to compliment play the likes rayn has exhibited here.
Also, some of Kita's gifs were too big.
4+ MB, cmon.
If people don't feel like rolelplaying as anti-intuitive, newbie versions of themselves for the sake of complying with the game name then stuff like what he pulled wouldn't end well for mafia. Imho rayn played like crap on so many levels, while sadly not single-handedly cheating me out of a pleasurable TL Mafia debut experience, because he was encouraged every step of the way, culminating in post-game praise, which I find supremely distasteful.
I figure you find yourself applauding noob scumplay because of a general lack of cohesion to step up for the common good and reject the bad.
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Who are you kaley? Besides being british
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Kaley is a new person. I also agree with them but take note that they also contributed heavily to the toxicity on day 1.
I would have loved to play in this game but would have probably tried to lynch Qatol day 2.
The reason I, and likely many others, scum read you is because you made too many assumptions that to me looked like TMI. When prplhz asked why Koshi was shot and you said it was obviously because he was blue and here were his crumbs it looked really off. The same with how you treated the damdred lynch, providing no proper case or alternative and then berating (not negatively) for an afk lynch.
I think that's a fault on my part mostly though because if I thought a little deeper Koshi wasn't shot because he was obviously blue. I figured that out after the Vivax rb claim and death (which I also thought made Vivax mafia). The fact they didn't rb Koshi meant he was just a kill like any other. Since he wasn't playing great at all then it was far more likely to be a rayn night kill or possibly rels/kelsier than any other.
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On September 17 2018 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Kaley is a new person. I also agree with them but take note that they also contributed heavily to the toxicity on day 1.
I would have loved to play in this game but would have probably tried to lynch Qatol day 2.
The reason I, and likely many others, scum read you is because you made too many assumptions that to me looked like TMI. When prplhz asked why Koshi was shot and you said it was obviously because he was blue and here were his crumbs it looked really off. The same with how you treated the damdred lynch, providing no proper case or alternative and then berating (not negatively) for an afk lynch.
I think that's a fault on my part mostly though because if I thought a little deeper Koshi wasn't shot because he was obviously blue. I figured that out after the Vivax rb claim and death (which I also thought made Vivax mafia). The fact they didn't rb Koshi meant he was just a kill like any other. Since he wasn't playing great at all then it was far more likely to be a rayn night kill or possibly rels/kelsier than any other.
Thanks! I'll keep this in mind if I ever find the time to play again.
One thing to point out: if they read Koshi as specifically vigi, the correct move is not to rb him because it was pretty clear you were his #1 scum read. Letting the vigi hit through on a townie speeds up lylo by one day, unless a night hit gets blocked.
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I don't think any reasonable person would expect Koshi to nk me n1 over any given afker though.
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It felt like Koshi just wanted to shoot holyflare no matter what, which was pretty spiteful. With an inactive town and two decent townies dead after N1, it was always going to be an uphill struggle.
Thanks for hosting and well played mafia.
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On September 16 2018 09:53 Sergiovan wrote:
GG guys!
This game was a real pleasure for me, I haven’t played Mafia in about five years as I said before the start of the game and getting to play with TL veterans like Qatol and RoL who I had never never had the chance to play with before.
I was looking forward to Scum hunting but it was quite fun to just shit things up with Rayn instead.
A few thoughts: above all I’m sad that’s TL has devolved so far that having four AFKs in a mini is possible. I never loved the 30 player games but I’m glad they were an option and our minis used to have so many people ready to replace in, what happened?
I don’t know if anyone noticed but I bread crumbed DT d1 as well as checks on Koshi n1 and Qatol n2 I was saving that to create a big WIFOM mess if and when I was lynched. That ‘check’ is also why I had a hard town read on Qatol d3 that inexplicably I was never questioned on.
I still do not understand the d1 Kaley lynch. Can anyone explain why they thought that was a good idea? She was actively participating in the game and had reads (admittedly bad ones with bad reasoning but she was playing and looked pretty townie I thought)
The d2 lynch was equally disorganized and ended up as poorly as d1. Damdred looked like a fine lynch to me but the town needed to organize better around making us actually commit to something. There was never a lynch where we felt pressure as to where to put our votes. The inactive players really screwed town over here by allowing the scum team to be everywhere.
D3 Rayn and I really took control of the thread and I feel bad for Qatol trying to figure out what was happening while Rayn and I created a mess in his head. I quite enjoyed our play towards RoL just in case our night kill didn’t go through for some reason.
N3 we shot Prplhz and roleblocked him to ensure if he was vet he couldn’t keep himself alive. None of town had hard town reads on him so I figured if there was a doc we would be safe with our shot on Prplhz.
Koshi: I mentioned this in the mafia qt but your vigi shot was very poor, in a game like this you needed to vig an inactive. I’m told Holyflare is now quite good as town so bogging him night one is a high risk low reward play.
Qatol: I really enjoyed playing with you, you were clearly trying to figure things out to the very end. You were excellent.
Kita has been trying to figure out the name I played under in the past on TL. I welcome you all to join in that particular game, I’m happy to answer questions.
Nisani
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