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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F5VZV7b.gif) Koshi the Town Vigilante has been killed. Holyflare the Vanilla Town has been killed. It is now day 2. You have 48 hours to vote for your preferred lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, Sep 11 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Voting is mandatory and must be done in the voting thread. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On September 10 2018 05:24 Sergiovan wrote: Qatol: you defense of yourself in #247 seems misplaced. You either aren’t reading or aren’t actually moving with the thread. HF is saying that your claim that there was no pushback on Kaley is scummy and your defense is “I said that there was pushback” and you say “there not being pushback isn't a reason to scum read Kaley.” But isn’t that actually a reason to have a town read on Kaley? You said so in your previous post. You are have a big post to defend yourself which relies on its length rather than its quality to achieve that defense. Qatol, based on the above post moves to the red column. I question whether you are reading my post correctly, or my double negatives made things confusing. I agree that there being no push back on Kaley is a reason to town read Kaley. I made that point repeatedly, both in the post that HolyFlare pointed out (#200) and again in the one you mentioned (#247), albeit with a double negative. That was the strongest argument in favor of not lynching Kaley. I said so in both posts. The whole point of post #200 was to, again, give Kaley an opportunity to do something pro-town and to question whether we were doing the right thing by lynching her. If you think that the post was made for the sheer sake of length, then I simply don't understand where you're coming from. Again, I question whether you actually read the entire post. Maybe you're trying to encourage others not to read my posts? | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
I'm willing to have my mind changed, but for now, that's where my vote is going. ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Sergio would be a good lynch. ##Vote: Sergiovan | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On September 10 2018 15:19 prplhz wrote: @Qatol Explain to me the night kills as if I were stupid! No problem. Koshi shoots HolyFlare Mafia shoots Koshi Koshi has been focused on HolyFlare pretty much ever since HolyFlare jumped onto the Kaley bandwagon. He also said HolyFlare was his #1 lynch priority. It makes sense he would use his vigilante shot on HolyFlare. As to why the mafia shot Koshi, I can't say for sure. I can think of a couple of potential reasons, any or all of which could be why Koshi was the target. 1. They might have figured out that Koshi was blue. He kinda gave it away with this post: On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote: I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town. Specifically, he was unnaturally nervous about being lynched day 1. This screams blue. Looking back, although I didn't catch it at the time, Koshi kinda gave away that he was a vigilante later by asking rayn (#246) and myself (#252) about our opinions of HolyFlare. 2. They might have been trying to shoot active, contributing townies that were unlikely to be watched by a medic. In a game with as many inactives as this one, this is, sadly, a solid strategy. 3. They might have been trying to protect Sergiovan. Although Koshi's #1 target was HolyFlare, he says this: On September 10 2018 04:55 Koshi wrote: I dont tr Sergio. Because if HF is mafia Sergio is likely as well. And I think HF is mafia. There are a few problems with this one, at least on its own: a) We don't know how Koshi would have reacted to Sergiovan after HolyFlare flipped town. b) Why kill Koshi before he tried to get the town to waste the day 2 lynch on HolyFlare? | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
Prplhz: why did you ask me to do that explanation? | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
You start focusing on Sergio with this post (which happened during the day 1 lynch): On September 08 2018 22:45 KelsierSC wrote: I'd only lynch sergio or vivax today. I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on. There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch. At this point, the only person to call him out is Koshi (as being connected to HolyFlare). Plus, your post comes one post after you yourself called out Koshi: On September 08 2018 22:39 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes. @vivax at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason. Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi saying just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is. When rayn asks you about it, you just say he should read the thread and ask you. This is me asking you. In your most recent vote, you say you're voting him because of Koshi's read. Do you have any special reason to trust Koshi's reads other than because he flipped town? His read was contingent on HolyFlare flipping mafia because he saw a connection between Sergio and HolyFlare, which didn't happen. Why do you still think his read was correct? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On September 10 2018 23:51 Qatol wrote: Kelsier: why are you voting for Sergio? You start focusing on Sergio with this post (which happened during the day 1 lynch): At this point, the only person to call him out is Koshi (as being connected to HolyFlare). Plus, your post comes one post after you yourself called out Koshi: When rayn asks you about it, you just say he should read the thread and ask you. This is me asking you. In your most recent vote, you say you're voting him because of Koshi's read. Do you have any special reason to trust Koshi's reads other than because he flipped town? His read was contingent on HolyFlare flipping mafia because he saw a connection between Sergio and HolyFlare, which didn't happen. Why do you still think his read was correct? Well he flipped town and mafia thought he was right enough to kill him. Furthermore I didn't think Sergio's reaction to Holyflare was genuine and before that he felt quite stilted to me. The fact I found Koshi suspicious isn't relevant at all. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On September 10 2018 23:44 Qatol wrote: Now my questions for others. Prplhz: why did you ask me to do that explanation? I just found it weird that just skipped any talking about night kills and went straight to defending yourself from some offhand accusation. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
And both Koshi and HolyFlare found Qatol scummy. So that's enough for me. ##Vote Qatol | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
Also, the Vivax post was a continuation of a previous post, post #250 (posted for reference) + Show Spoiler + On September 10 2018 04:06 Qatol wrote: On another note, Vivax, I'm confused by your vote as well. I would like to hear more from you about it. So you have town reads on Sergio and Koshi. Your filter reveals you wanting to refrain from scumreading anyone. You softly defend Kaley and softly scumread me here: But then you back off from it here: But then, out of nowhere, you decide to vote for RoL, someone who hasn't even posted, has no votes on him, and is thus extremely unlikely to be lynched. Why? Just so your vote won't matter? How do you think that helps? You're just making it easier for the mafia to influence the vote. Especially in a game that's this as inactive as this one has been, this vote sticks out, considering you have been actively posting in the thread. This vote looks to me like you are afraid to take a stand against anyone. This really looks to me like you could be mafia who is pleased with how the lynch is going and didn't want to be accused of making a bandwagon vote. So please explain. Are you even reading? It feels like you're randomly throwing out accusations without even bothering to put together any sort of real case. Please, provide a real argument. Point to specific statements. This is seriously the most you have contributed to the game so far, unless you count pushing for lynches of inactives or defending Vivax because he thought Kaley was a smurf (a point that shouldn't really matter) and voted RoL. I'd like to get more conversation out of you. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
So you asked me to do that post just for giggles? Why ask for a post and then not discuss anything in it other than its length? Also, the Vivax post was a continuation of a previous post, post #250 (posted for reference) + Show Spoiler + On September 10 2018 04:06 Qatol wrote: On another note, Vivax, I'm confused by your vote as well. I would like to hear more from you about it. So you have town reads on Sergio and Koshi. Your filter reveals you wanting to refrain from scumreading anyone. You softly defend Kaley and softly scumread me here: But then you back off from it here: But then, out of nowhere, you decide to vote for RoL, someone who hasn't even posted, has no votes on him, and is thus extremely unlikely to be lynched. Why? Just so your vote won't matter? How do you think that helps? You're just making it easier for the mafia to influence the vote. Especially in a game that's this as inactive as this one has been, this vote sticks out, considering you have been actively posting in the thread. This vote looks to me like you are afraid to take a stand against anyone. This really looks to me like you could be mafia who is pleased with how the lynch is going and didn't want to be accused of making a bandwagon vote. So please explain. Are you even reading? It feels like you're randomly throwing out accusations without even bothering to put together any sort of real case. Please, provide a real argument. Point to specific statements. This is seriously the most you have contributed to the game so far, unless you count pushing for lynches of inactives or defending Vivax because he thought Kaley was a smurf (a point that shouldn't really matter) and voted RoL. I'd like to get more conversation out of you. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I don't really get the rest of your post as I didn't vote RoL, I (confusingly) retroactively recommended him for a lynch on D1 (after Kaley had been lynched) and a possible lynch on D2. Like, my first posts were just my thoughts upon reading the game after not having read anything yet. I don't think that voting for you makes me look afraid. You're kind of a big deal I think? Or used to be back in the days but you still have some of that going on for you. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On September 11 2018 03:26 prplhz wrote: I thought I'd get more out of the night kill discussion with you than I got but that didn't happen. I can't know in advance if your answer will help me discern your alignment. I don't really get the rest of your post as I didn't vote RoL, I (confusingly) retroactively recommended him for a lynch on D1 (after Kaley had been lynched) and a possible lynch on D2. Like, my first posts were just my thoughts upon reading the game after not having read anything yet. I don't think that voting for you makes me look afraid. You're kind of a big deal I think? Or used to be back in the days but you still have some of that going on for you. I'm not really sure what else you were hoping to get. Also, read the second post, not the first one. I screwed up the spoiler tag. The RoL vote thing was about Vivax. Who said anything about being afraid? All I said is that you haven't been posting and it would be helpful to hear more from you. If you feel strongly enough to vote for me, you should be able to make a reasonable argument that isn't just "Koshi and HolyFlare thought you were scummy" and "your Vivax post is shorter than your night analysis post". FYI, Koshi's primary argument was I'm too friendly, which you yourself pointed out doesn't really apply to players from my era, and he was asking me for advice on his vigi hit by the time he died. Half of HolyFlare's argument was just plain wrong, and the other half is me asking a question that I'm still wondering why more people weren't asking right before the lynch. On September 11 2018 03:30 prplhz wrote: Generally you don't avoid conflict in a game like this. I know it's a newbie game but it's full of veterans who will hold you up on every little thing you say. So please find something. Say something. It gives us all a better opportunity to read you. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
1) Are good at finding scum 2) Are town And then I sheep them. That's really how I do. I rarely do a lot of analysis because I'm really not very good at it. But I wrote a few points on you that I myself find to be something I would expect more from scum. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I am here now. Not much content to sort through give me a couple hours of reading and ask me questions if you want to direct me to someone | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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