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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 09 2018 17:07 Calix wrote: Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched. I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. | ||
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Calix
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
"he's" is Skynx. And I'm guessing that Eversince is not a native English speaker. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On April 09 2018 18:54 Calix wrote: Didn't rayn, currentlyhomeless, etc, saying "you're not voting lol, put your money where your mouth is" not tip you off earlier, HF? I haven't had time to look at the thread until now really. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 09 2018 18:48 Calix wrote: What changed your mind? "Pussy" and "raynpelikoneet" are not two words I would usually put in the same sentence  I liked your post on Eversince, since you "dropped" your push on me, you needed to do something else and you passed. I am not sure you would make points that good as mafia. Also yeah, you would put words "pussy" and "raynpelikoneet" in the same sentence if it includes "Holyflare". I can basically never be sure enough on him on D1. I think your case on Eversince is good. Especially when you group it with the fact that after the pressure on me and Glowingbear dropped, regardless of both of us alignments mafia needs to do something. Eversince looked okayish to me because her post about me (which i know to be correct) and GB (which i assume to be correct). I didn't read the rest of her post closely enough until you brought it up, but the rest of it to me looks like then she got completely lost and tried to do something, aka put some reads up, but the reads are in fact quite terrible. I still think ExO_ is a better lynch because his "case" smells like mafia so much it hurts, but yeah, those two are definitely the scummiest people in the game. I disagree with Holyflare on kush. kush is basically a troll atm and his posts don't mean much alignmentwise. He can die though unless he starts playing properly. | ||
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Holyflare
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Holyflare
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 15:01 Oatsmaster wrote: you give way too much credit for scum teamplay. Based on Eversince's super-low post count, I would assume the vast majority of her Mafia experience comes from elsewhere. And I think a lot of what she's said would make sense for non-TL games, where you DO see a lot more coordination, strategy, and a well-defined "scum agenda" than what is often seen in the games here, where you sometimes wouldn't be able to tell if all the scum players were actually even reading the scum QT during Day Phases, and most members of the team are just doing whatever comes into their heads, without any planning, or forethought, or understanding of how it will impact their teammates. But anyway, even if Scum were to set up "a diversion" and "a backup" that doesn't mean that a scum Skynx's teammates would have to help him out with a push against a town rayn, before gauging the TOWN'S interest in pursuing the lynch. So even once I decide that her premise is logical for non-TL games, I still don't think her premise actually supports her conclusion. Skynx could easily be Town, but this is not good reasoning for deciding that he's Town. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote: you probably shouldnt lie about why you are voting HF He's voting HF because the RNG said "2." He doesn't answer questions about whether there are reasons to think HF would flip scum, beyond the way in which HF fell into his "trap" so I don't really know what to do with him. To this point, he hasn't really exhibited the demeanor of someone who would suddenly become cooperative if vote-pressured. Since I think we should assume he's Kush until we have good reason to believe otherwise, some more comments on what it would mean if Kush were behaving this way would be helpful. (only 1 or 2 people have said anything about this so far.) | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
Also I have no experience with this guy so I do not know how to interpret his current behaviour. I would probably not lynch ExO_ or currentlyhomeless unless Eversince does something townie instead of just "okay". And even then, I think Vivax is a better lynch since he has yet to say anything intelligent and has nothing but "okay" posts. Which actually makes him more likely to be mafia now that I reflect on his posting because mafia are always trying to make "okay" posts and not much else. The point about Eversince having a dodgy read on HF is good but I maintain that the Oats read is whack. I just do not comprehend how someone writes that about a player and doesn't think there's mafia motive there. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 15:36 GlowingBear wrote: Actually, skynx case did get some kind of support because Calix just went on rayn, didn't she?  Not sure if serious, cuz smiley. But in case you misremember, the timeline is that Calix was already voting against rayn before Skynx made his post, and the vote against you. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 17:59 Calix wrote: After catching up properly with the overnight posting, I'm concluding that Eversince is a good lynch. Very fluffy post. But maybe not the fluffiest thing she's done. I liked when she asked Tubesock what he thought about me, when I hadn't made a post yet. That question is bound to be productive. On April 09 2018 17:59 Calix wrote: Look at her reads. A lot of them are not even proper reads ("XYZ is ok" is literal fluff to make the post look more impressive). I'll mention again that I don't think English looks to be her first language. As such, there could be a distinction between who she says seems "ok" (like Damdred) vs. who she says is "alright." When she says "alright" that appears to be a townread, because she lists Tubesock as an "alright" and then shortly later tells him that she "still thinks he is town." And lists Skynx as an "alright" and has gone on to say that she will fight against his lynch. It's a little strange to me, how big a deal she made about how she'll fight against Skynx's lynch, when there's never been more than a single vote against him. On April 09 2018 17:59 Calix wrote: I also do not like her subsequent heavy defense posts about Skynx and I in lieu of finding a suspect to lynch. Since Skynx and I are currently under moderate amounts of suspicion, I feel she is white-knighting me. Envisioning that Eversince is scum, then is she also white-knighting Skynx? Or do you think the way she's defending him feels different, and that he's more likely to be a scummate than just another townie she's trying to cozy up to? On April 09 2018 17:59 Calix wrote: Oats vs Eversince was also odd. Looked like Oats thought Eversince was doing something scummy in #376 (in reference to Skynx not getting any traction), Eversince then posts something about Tubesock, and then Oats asks for a response to his post in #386. Which Eversince did not respond to. That's the second time now that she's dodged questions while still obviously being in the thread. She had definitely answered that. Her explanation is even IN the post he quotes from her when he asks. 1) Several players were suspicious of rayn (you can agree with her about this, or not, but it doesn't matter. This is how the answer goes.) 2) Skynx casts the vote against rayn, and adds to the "case" against him. 3) No one takes this new opportunity to throw their votes onto rayn as well. 4) If Skynx were scum, his teammates would have supported his push against rayn. Nothing like that happened, ergo, Skynx is Town. I don't agree with how her thought process went, but the answer was given. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
Okay, well you're wrong. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 18:38 currentlyhomeless wrote: there we go... can you tell me what Holyflare actually did though? No. Can you tell me what Holyflare actually did? | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote: I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Skynx Currentlyplayless Vivax, Exo, Damdred They’re all pretty much the same really. Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince. I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 09 2018 19:55 n00bKing wrote: Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. Not exactly what I said, but ok? | ||
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