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currentlyhomeless
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote: Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 01:16 ExO_ wrote: I don’t know why else he would post asking for Rayn, without having any indication Rayn would even be here to respond. Presumably, rayn would *eventually* be here to respond. Your observation is noted. People understand what you've said, and have mostly chosen to dismiss it, so you'll need something else. You didn't vote against rayn for this anyway. And in fact, didn't vote for anyone. Hopefully, when you said you'll be gone for the rest of the day, you only meant the rest of what was "April 8th" for you in the US. And not the rest of Day 1. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: The first thing that made me thing Calix is scummy was this post: I can sort of see the thought process here but from this post i got the feeling Calix is doing the thing here where she makes GB answer wrong regardless of the answer. There is nothing wrong with GB asking me or Eversince about Calix, since Eversince was obviously around, and me for other reasons (which shouldn't be a concern to Calix here since she has never played with GB). Then she goes on and says the last sentence which is like... ughhh.. leading GB to possibly say something stupid. Like if GB says: 1) "no i didn't" --> you're mafia because you implied so 2) "yes i actually did" --> you're mafia because you didn't give the reason (why wouldn't you) I don't agree that both answers are wrong. Only the first answer is wrong. He gave the second answer, which I think is fine, and which didn't seem to set Calix off, either. On April 09 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then there is this. The problem with the "questionable progression" Calix gives here might be suspicious because in the post where she accuses Vivax of being mafia she already gives the townie answer for Vivax (aka answer A). It is basically what i believed Vivax was doing, i thought Vivax made a stupid rection test to Damdred on GB already having a townread on GB. That in itself isn't even scummy, what i find stupid is that Calix gives a scumread on Vivax and then says like "but what was your reasoning, pick from these answeres where one is townie and one is scummy or make up your own answer". If you want someone to answer TRUTHFULLY you don't give answers (or you have some kind of trick in there ^^ , which there isn't here). Why would you say, as town, "hey dude, i think you are scummy, can you elaborate on this X thing and if you answer Y then you are town"? What's the point? Now i don't think this is even necessarily scummy but the follow up on it is. Problem being that answer A is NOT what Vivax has said he was doing. He's said that answer B is what happened, and that he did in fact change his mind, rather than townreading GB all along and using a reaction test on Damdred. And through Page 12, you don't seem to have ever acknowledged this fact, or said anything about how (or whether) it changes your impression of Vivax. I agree with Calix that Vivax's "progression" does not read as it should, if he had a genuine change in his perspective. It reads just fine if he was townreading GB all along and fishing for Damdred's response, but Vivax has told us that isn't what happened. Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange? | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 08 2018 14:41 GlowingBear wrote: Mr. Calix and Mr. Rayn I particularly disliked this exchange: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2018 04:29 Vivax wrote: Make it more challenging and flip a coin at least? On April 08 2018 04:39 Calix wrote: Why make it more challenging? I for one need to figure out how to play again. I am pretty rusty  Vivax joke was really obvious, I don't like this question "Why make it more challenging?" like he is pursuing more information - but he really isn't. Feels forced. Calix's response is just as "obviously jokey" as what Vivax said. I don't know why you and rayn don't seem to get that. "Why make it more challenging" is not an earnest attempt to pursue more information, nor is it meant to be disguised as an earnest attempt. On April 08 2018 14:41 GlowingBear wrote: Now this: + Show Spoiler + When he posted this I already voted him. He didn't react to it, he didn't try to understand what was happening. He ignored it and decided to ask Eversince that question. Again, why asking that and completely ignoring my vote? Ignoring it sounds like he froze and decided to go against anything else. I do this as Town all the time. I even did it in the very last game, when Conversion voted against me and I didn't address him about it at all, instead just going about my business. I know you've made some posts that make it sound like you're waffling on the Calix-vote a bit, and have said you might be tunneled, etc. But since you haven't moved the vote yet, I'm making this post anyway, and maybe it'll help. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said.... If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me? Would be a better question if Holyflare were voting against someone else instead of you. Rather than how he's just not voting. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On April 09 2018 13:27 Eversince wrote: I'll say now that Calix/Rayn business seems town on town to me. Doesn't make any sense why either Calix would go so rashly against other Rayn (Who is peculiarly tame this game). Both got a huge amount of attention and the time frame that it happened in doesn't make sense for mafia. Sure, late day hard push for an objective would have made sense. But so early in the day? I don't think mafia would have exposed them self in such a noticeable way that early. Also Calix re-eval is something that I do need to think about. Because that was a little weird. But, people can change there minds. I personally think it was genuine. It just happened in such a fast time frame. But ack, I can't give someone a hard time for realizing their mistake and changing their perspective. GB's alright in my book. He had something that gave me questions when I was skimming. I'll post those when I re-read. Not bad enough for me to move off my town impression of him. HF is so scarcely relevant right now that it's kinda scary. My experience with him has been: 1) Very strong points against people as either alignment. 2) Crazy active, this friend's filter at 2 pages after a day and a half r.r..... 3) Very inquisitive. He notices things that other people miss. Like a lot. He usually attacks these things and hammers scum for it. The fact that he's not currently doing it actually makes me think he's town. Even mafia HF exploits people trash comments. HF isn't doing that. He doesn't have any presence at all. So I will give him a light townread for right now (I hope you are ok HF!) Oats is questionable to me r.r Like he pokes holes in lots of things that are easy to poke holes in. Then doesn't elaborate on them at all. But he's 'lukewarm' in the sense that he hasn't really pushed these ideas towards anything. His largest attempt was on Calix and he still didn't even bother trying to start a wagon. Seems unusual from a mafia perspective to complain points idle in thread for no gain. He can be on my fence. Skynx is alright for now. CH has literally no post in the thread that I remember atm. Would lynch. Vivax is different than I remember from the times we last played. I'll give him time though. Tubesock seems alright. Exo_ He did make couple of post that I thought might be constructive. So I'll give him points for that. I'll filter him later and see what those were though. I don't remember r.r I didn't even realize nOObking was in the game before I filtered him. Would lynch. Damdie seems ok to me. I think that covers everything. I'm sorry if I missed something! I will go shower, and be back in about 15 minutes! Very fluffy post. Look at her reads. A lot of them are not even proper reads ("XYZ is ok" is literal fluff to make the post look more impressive). She concludes 'on the fence' for Oats after pointing out legitimately mafia behaviour (doubt-casting without committing to anything) but thinks there's no benefit for mafia to do this?! She only 'wants to lynch' the super low posting AFK types and gives excuses for everyone else. I especially dislike her read on me. The way it's constructed is weird. It seems too tentative. When she says 'the reevaluation was a little weird' but then adds several sentences about why it doesn't mean I am mafia. I also do not like her subsequent heavy defense posts about Skynx and I in lieu of finding a suspect to lynch. Since Skynx and I are currently under moderate amounts of suspicion, I feel she is white-knighting me. I did note that she at least stated 'I don't have any strong scum-reads' but I didn't see any real attempt to change that. Oats vs Eversince was also odd. Looked like Oats thought Eversince was doing something scummy in #376 (in reference to Skynx not getting any traction), Eversince then posts something about Tubesock, and then Oats asks for a response to his post in #386. Which Eversince did not respond to. That's the second time now that she's dodged questions while still obviously being in the thread. + Show Spoiler [Evidence] + On April 09 2018 15:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Explain why the hell skynx' case getting traction or not shows his alignment without talking about the quality of his case. In short: - Wishy-washy - More focused on defending 'suspicious' players over finding mafia - Only wants to lynch low-posters who won't bite back - Evasive - Terrible read on Oatsmaster. Seriously, just look at it ##vote Eversince As a side note: rayn's #405 sounded legit when I saw it and I think Tubesock is  Oats gets some town points too but this is mostly because of his Eversince posts lol. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
##vote ExO_ The timing of this post added to what i said here: On April 09 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is actually the most terrible single post in thread: - follow thread sentiment, check - make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check - doesn't make any sense at all, check seems like a very convenient thing to do as mafia. I am quite sure he was just trying to follow the thread sentiment with his "own added reasoning". But, once again, the reasoning never makes any sense. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote: Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange? No i do not. I already said that. | ||
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Calix
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: Like, Calix, did you see the reason why Skynx is scumreading me? He said it didn't make sense that I was euphoric to play but peaced out to go to the theatre (as we all know, starts at specific times), then he said I couldn't possibly be back 5:40 hours later. LOL. shrug? You do come out of the gates with some posts that read kinda like "Woohoo! Time to play some Mafia! Let's DO this!" And then you say something like "I'm feeling really good tonight so I might spam a little bit" And then you say something like "Anyway, gotta go, bye" Skynx might have already thought that was weird, even if you hadn't specifically said "I won't be posting until tomorrow" before coming back later that day and posting some more. Calix asked him what your mafia motivation for lying would be, and he didn't seem to know, he just didn't see a good town motivation for lying. When Calix says she could see a Town Skynx just thinking "liars = scum" you responded with: On April 09 2018 05:20 GlowingBear wrote: I understand the reason behing lynch all liars, but the thing is: why I was lying? Well...he doesn't know why you were lying. Why don't YOU tell him why you were lying? lol | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On April 09 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: The only problem i really have with Eversince's reads is the Exo read which doesn't really make any sense in any world. Also the HF read bugs me because Eversince basically gives the reasons why HF would be mafia and then calls him town. Agreed. | ||
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currentlyhomeless
Japan405 Posts
On April 09 2018 17:55 n00bKing wrote: Would be a better question if Holyflare were voting against someone else instead of you. Rather than how he's just not voting. there we go... can you tell me what Holyflare actually did though? | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On April 09 2018 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote: [Calix] doesnt unvote rayn because she doesnt have anyone else to vote but doesnt think hes scum anymore is questionable What's questionable about that? She says that one should not unvote until one has a new target to move the vote TO. She is correct. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 09 2018 18:34 Calix wrote: Why lynch ExO_ over HF or myself or Eversince? I say lynch because ExO_ already said he will basically be absent for some time. And you still think HF and myself are scummy as far as I am aware. Because i don't really think you're mafia anymore and i am a pussy who will not vote for HF most likely on D1 anyways. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
I think kush's play has been scummy and I voted for him. Seems like he tried to do a chezinu play but it's bad because he was actually playing like mafia. | ||
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Calix
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On April 09 2018 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i don't really think you're mafia anymore and i am a pussy who will not vote for HF most likely on D1 anyways. What changed your mind? "Pussy" and "raynpelikoneet" are not two words I would usually put in the same sentence | ||
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