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On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote:
My lynch order would be something like:
Skynx
Currentlyplayless
Vivax, Exo, Damdred
They’re all pretty much the same really.
Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince.
I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town.
What makes you town-read n00bking strongly enough to say that you 'won't vote [him] for the rest of the game'? Or was that comment just referring to Eversince?
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On April 09 2018 20:04 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 19:55 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 17:07 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 16:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tubesock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/524561-generic-mini-mafia-iii?user=SkynxOn July 13 2017 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 13 2017 21:40 Skynx wrote:
Meh i'm gona take a break then continue from where i left reading. so you basically did a case on me based on what i said the first couple of hours and without reading the actual explanations at all. man i was so right here: On July 13 2017 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this guy can go to ignore pile.
he's probably gonna throw if it comes close. Funny thing is it's always "because rayn did the same thing last game as mafia". Without any thinking at all. I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched. I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. Not exactly what I said, but ok?
Well what did you mean to say, then? There is at least one word missing in your post, and maybe other errors. I tried to figure it out as best I could, but maybe I missed the mark.
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On April 09 2018 20:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote:
My lynch order would be something like:
Skynx
Currentlyplayless
Vivax, Exo, Damdred
They’re all pretty much the same really.
Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince.
I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town. What makes you town-read n00bking strongly enough to say that you 'won't vote [him] for the rest of the game'? Or was that comment just referring to Eversince?
Neither. "rest of the game" means any player he hadn't mentioned yet, not that there is anyone he won't vote for from here on out. He coulda worded that better.
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But maybe not the fluffiest thing she's done. I liked when she asked Tubesock what he thought about me, when I hadn't made a post yet. That question is bound to be productive.
I am sorry but how is this productive? Do you think mafia will make up a read on someone who hasnt posted?
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On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?
No i do not. I already said that. Okay, well you're wrong.
Fine, then tell us why it is strange because i dont see it.
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On April 09 2018 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +
But maybe not the fluffiest thing she's done. I liked when she asked Tubesock what he thought about me, when I hadn't made a post yet. That question is bound to be productive.
I am sorry but how is this productive? Do you think mafia will make up a read on someone who hasnt posted?
I was being sardonic.
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Damdred disagreed with his read on gb, then he went back and read gb's posts again and changed his opinion on him. Then he called Damdred town for not "taking easy route and just call gb mafia" which is a dumb conclusion but not out of vivax' town range.
There is nothing strange in that afaik and noone has said anything that makes me think otherwise. Just sayong it is strange is not enough to change my opinion.
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On April 09 2018 20:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote:
My lynch order would be something like:
Skynx
Currentlyplayless
Vivax, Exo, Damdred
They’re all pretty much the same really.
Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince.
I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town. What makes you town-read n00bking strongly enough to say that you 'won't vote [him] for the rest of the game'? Or was that comment just referring to Eversince?
Just for the day and it referred to Eversince.
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On April 09 2018 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?
No i do not. I already said that. Okay, well you're wrong. Fine, then tell us why it is strange because i dont see it.
I agree with Calix about why it is strange. See Post #161.
I read it the same way you (rayn) read it, that what he was doing was probably "Answer A." When it turned out to be "Answer B" I was like...that doesn't make any sense. As Calix outlined, Vivax didn't sound like someone who had a genuine change in his perception. So if he hadn't gone into the whole thing already townleaning GB before Damdred commented on it....then he didn't phrase things anything like I would, and it comes off very unnatural in my opinion.
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The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.
##unvote
##vote eversince
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On April 09 2018 20:07 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:04 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 19:55 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 17:07 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 16:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tubesock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/524561-generic-mini-mafia-iii?user=SkynxOn July 13 2017 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 13 2017 21:40 Skynx wrote:
Meh i'm gona take a break then continue from where i left reading. so you basically did a case on me based on what i said the first couple of hours and without reading the actual explanations at all. man i was so right here: On July 13 2017 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this guy can go to ignore pile.
he's probably gonna throw if it comes close. Funny thing is it's always "because rayn did the same thing last game as mafia". Without any thinking at all. I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched. I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. Not exactly what I said, but ok? Well what did you mean to say, then? There is at least one word missing in your post, and maybe other errors. I tried to figure it out as best I could, but maybe I missed the mark.
It is worse to kill a town HF than let a fairly inactive mafia HF live. In the context of the damage the inactive mafia can do, and not knowing his alignment. Obviously if he’s mafia it’s better to lynch him but I prefer him to live to increase the odds of a correct guess of his alignment. If that makes sense. This would not apply to currentlyhomeless for example, because there’s high odds he will play this same way all game.
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On April 09 2018 20:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote:
My lynch order would be something like:
Skynx
Currentlyplayless
Vivax, Exo, Damdred
They’re all pretty much the same really.
Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince.
I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town. What makes you town-read n00bking strongly enough to say that you 'won't vote [him] for the rest of the game'? Or was that comment just referring to Eversince?
Sorry ebwob:
Doubt I would vote for n00bking. I will not vote for the rest of the players not mentioned.
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On April 09 2018 20:15 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?
No i do not. I already said that. Okay, well you're wrong. Fine, then tell us why it is strange because i dont see it. I agree with Calix about why it is strange. See Post #161. I read it the same way you (rayn) read it, that what he was doing was probably "Answer A." When it turned out to be "Answer B" I was like...that doesn't make any sense. As Calix outlined, Vivax didn't sound like someone who had a genuine change in his perception. So if he hadn't gone into the whole thing already townleaning GB before Damdred commented on it....then he didn't phrase things anything like I would, and it comes off very unnatural in my opinion.
Fine. I cant double check rn but from my memory i disagree its an unnatural change in read. Lets see what Vivax has to say about it.
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Here this morning (though really tired)
Gonna try to read through the thread and catch up now.
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On April 09 2018 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.
##unvote
##vote eversince
r.r.... Catching up. But won't be around long. It's very late...
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On April 09 2018 20:19 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:07 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 20:04 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 19:55 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 17:07 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 16:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tubesock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/524561-generic-mini-mafia-iii?user=SkynxOn July 13 2017 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 13 2017 21:40 Skynx wrote:
Meh i'm gona take a break then continue from where i left reading. so you basically did a case on me based on what i said the first couple of hours and without reading the actual explanations at all. man i was so right here: On July 13 2017 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this guy can go to ignore pile.
he's probably gonna throw if it comes close. Funny thing is it's always "because rayn did the same thing last game as mafia". Without any thinking at all. I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched. I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. Not exactly what I said, but ok? Well what did you mean to say, then? There is at least one word missing in your post, and maybe other errors. I tried to figure it out as best I could, but maybe I missed the mark. It is worse to kill a town HF than let a fairly inactive mafia HF live.
Then I like what I said already. Because if HF is Town, then he's probably as inactive as he appears to be. If he's Scum, there is NO way for everyone to know if he is as inactive as he appears to be.
As Scum, I can largely afk the main thread, while actively crafting and guiding the scum agenda through Day Phases, and suggesting (or simply selecting) what I think would be optimal Night actions.
And even if the Scum player IS truly not applying much energy or effort to the game, an empty shell scum player who is really nothing more than just a warm body provides a lot more value to this team than an empty shell town player provides to his. The only thing a Scum player needs to do in order to significantly benefit his team is not die.
Low-activity scum player is more dangerous than a low-activity town player is helpful.
You saying that you are confident you can read him eventually is valid, though.
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ack, i guess i'm misunderstood lol. Calix thinks I'm scum.
Rayn think's I'm scum.
The people I knighted for have gone against me.
Ask your questions, I don't want to be lynched because we misunderstand each other.
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On April 09 2018 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.
##unvote
##vote eversince
I wanted to clarify here, what GB did still weirds me out. I still don't understand why he picked you to ask a question about, and an active player. That flow doesn't make sense to me -- ask someone currently posting in the thread and somebody who hasn't said a word yet. It feels unnatural.
I don't feel like it's really fair to you, but I can't help but feel like it's off. And I've gotten stuck on stuff like this before and been off-base. So I'm going to try to judge you based on your posts only, and GB based on things other than this strange situation.
All of that being said, I haven't been active, and think I would like to here eversince'e explanation of why I'm townie. Do you agree with what I said about GB @eversince? If so, why haven't you said anything about it.
I think for now I'm parking my vote on eversince until I get a good explanation here.
##vote eversince
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what explaining do you want???
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I'm here now. Put the question infront of me.
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