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On April 09 2018 20:45 Eversince wrote:
ack, i guess i'm misunderstood lol. Calix thinks I'm scum.
Rayn think's I'm scum.
The people I knighted for have gone against me.
Ask your questions, I don't want to be lynched because we misunderstand each other.
Why do you call me town after saying I'm playing like mafia?
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Why are/were you town reading me? @eversince
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On April 09 2018 20:45 Eversince wrote:
ack, i guess i'm misunderstood lol. Calix thinks I'm scum.
Rayn think's I'm scum.
The people I knighted for have gone against me.
Ask your questions, I don't want to be lynched because we misunderstand each other.
Could you elaborate on your HF and Oats reads? Because as I noted before, I don't get how you are not mafia-reading Oats.
And rayn/ HF do not understand why you're town-reading HF (I think).
Also I am rereading your posts. Because n00bking said your theories about mafia coordination were not unusual. When I first read those posts, I thought they were unconvincing (because one cannot tell how active or coordinated a mafia team is) but I wasn't sure whether it meant anything for your alignment. Since it apparently doesn't, it follows that there may be further misunderstandings.
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I think HF is playing like he did in the game just prior to this (he was VT). This doesn't mean he isn't capable of posting like this as scum, but I don't think he's scum right now.
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On April 09 2018 20:45 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:19 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 20:07 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 20:04 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 19:55 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 17:07 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 16:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tubesock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/524561-generic-mini-mafia-iii?user=SkynxOn July 13 2017 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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so you basically did a case on me based on what i said the first couple of hours and without reading the actual explanations at all.
man i was so right here:
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Funny thing is it's always "because rayn did the same thing last game as mafia". Without any thinking at all. I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched. I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. Not exactly what I said, but ok? Well what did you mean to say, then? There is at least one word missing in your post, and maybe other errors. I tried to figure it out as best I could, but maybe I missed the mark. It is worse to kill a town HF than let a fairly inactive mafia HF live. Then I like what I said already. Because if HF is Town, then he's probably as inactive as he appears to be. If he's Scum, there is NO way for everyone to know if he is as inactive as he appears to be. As Scum, I can largely afk the main thread, while actively crafting and guiding the scum agenda through Day Phases, and suggesting (or simply selecting) what I think would be optimal Night actions. And even if the Scum player IS truly not applying much energy or effort to the game, an empty shell scum player who is really nothing more than just a warm body provides a lot more value to this team than an empty shell town player provides to his. The only thing a Scum player needs to do in order to significantly benefit his team is not die. Low-activity scum player is more dangerous than a low-activity town player is helpful. You saying that you are confident you can read him eventually is valid, though.
Generally speaking that’s true. But town Hf wrecks mafia. so I’d like to take that chance he’s town.
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On April 09 2018 20:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:45 Eversince wrote:
ack, i guess i'm misunderstood lol. Calix thinks I'm scum.
Rayn think's I'm scum.
The people I knighted for have gone against me.
Ask your questions, I don't want to be lynched because we misunderstand each other. Why do you call me town after saying I'm playing like mafia?
I've never said you were playing like mafia. I said your un-attached from the game. And I saw that as more as town then mafia. Because I know your a strong player as both alignments. So to be underwhelmed felt off.
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On April 09 2018 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:15 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?
No i do not. I already said that. Okay, well you're wrong. Fine, then tell us why it is strange because i dont see it. I agree with Calix about why it is strange. See Post #161. I read it the same way you (rayn) read it, that what he was doing was probably "Answer A." When it turned out to be "Answer B" I was like...that doesn't make any sense. As Calix outlined, Vivax didn't sound like someone who had a genuine change in his perception. So if he hadn't gone into the whole thing already townleaning GB before Damdred commented on it....then he didn't phrase things anything like I would, and it comes off very unnatural in my opinion. Fine. I cant double check rn but from my memory i disagree its an unnatural change in read. Lets see what Vivax has to say about it.
His (single-page) filter would tell you what he has to say about it. And (if you're Town) you probably found his responses convincing, and that's why you don't remember there being anything unnatural about it. That's fine, but I think differently. So let's see what *other people* have to say about it, too.
Because Vivax seems to be sitting at around #2 or #3 or #4 in a lot of people's lynch lists, but there weren't any votes against him.
Think a couple of people have mentioned that they haven't really liked HIS level of effort in the game, and then he voted the AFK player, with the stated goal of "motivating" him. I don't remember having any luck trying to get (Town) Vivax to vote against AFK players, in the most recent games.
Side note: Are we sure that Eversince is not a "smurf" account that's just been used more than once? Are the smurfs always revealed at the end of the game or anything like that?
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On April 09 2018 20:51 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:45 Eversince wrote:
ack, i guess i'm misunderstood lol. Calix thinks I'm scum.
Rayn think's I'm scum.
The people I knighted for have gone against me.
Ask your questions, I don't want to be lynched because we misunderstand each other. Could you elaborate on your HF and Oats reads? Because as I noted before, I don't get how you are not mafia-reading Oats.And rayn/ HF do not understand why you're town-reading HF (I think). Also I am rereading your posts. Because n00bking said your theories about mafia coordination were not unusual. When I first read those posts, I thought they were unconvincing (because one cannot tell how active or coordinated a mafia team is) but I wasn't sure whether it meant anything for your alignment. Since it apparently doesn't, it follows that there may be further misunderstandings.
I am scum reading Oats though?
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On April 09 2018 20:55 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:51 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 20:45 Eversince wrote:
ack, i guess i'm misunderstood lol. Calix thinks I'm scum.
Rayn think's I'm scum.
The people I knighted for have gone against me.
Ask your questions, I don't want to be lynched because we misunderstand each other. Could you elaborate on your HF and Oats reads? Because as I noted before, I don't get how you are not mafia-reading Oats.And rayn/ HF do not understand why you're town-reading HF (I think). Also I am rereading your posts. Because n00bking said your theories about mafia coordination were not unusual. When I first read those posts, I thought they were unconvincing (because one cannot tell how active or coordinated a mafia team is) but I wasn't sure whether it meant anything for your alignment. Since it apparently doesn't, it follows that there may be further misunderstandings. I am scum reading Oats though?
You said he was on the fence which I interpreted as a nullish read.
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Because he hasn't been at all productive with his points. That's a problem. I misword maby?
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On April 09 2018 20:57 Eversince wrote:
Because he hasn't been at all productive with his points. That's a problem. I misword maby?
Any of them in particular which you felt were 'not at all productive'?
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On April 09 2018 20:46 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.
##unvote
##vote eversince I wanted to clarify here, what GB did still weirds me out. I still don't understand why he picked you to ask a question about, and an active player. That flow doesn't make sense to me
GlowingBear said "I remember rayn was really good with opening posts, that's why I inquired him."
You might decide that he's lying or that his explanation still doesn't make sense to you, but I want to make sure you at least have seen what he already said about it.
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Look at his filter. All of it is 'This is wrong' Ignores caring about. Doesn't push. Doesn't fish around (Like right now! I am here but nothing?)
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I'm catching up would appreciate if thread didn't go instantly empty once I'm done.
Highlights from the reread as well:
Don't like Skynx entry.
Tonal argument: His way of going in is very different from the rest of the thread up until that point and reads almost excessively tryhard to me. Entire post looks like he just didn't know what to do besides forced scumhunting.
Content arguments:
Also I don't believe he actually would believe to have caught skynx just off timestamps as town. His rayn points are all meta and don't leave any wiggle room for a rayn town argument when he said he doesn't post more from work.
Basically skynx entrance screams all lazy mafia trying to look tryhard.
Moving on.
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mixed feelings on Vivax, and low post count doesn’t
help, but his thoughts on Calix and the reaction he had when Calix responded feel townie to me
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I have 45 mins to an hour Vivax. I will stay that long. I will try to stay longer if I can but no promises xd!
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Anyway I got to actually opening filters and n00bking is not someone I fancy lynching today. He agrees with me a lot (buddying FTW), is asking good questions and I don't see much of an agenda with his posts. Basically he's doing stuff.
Would like some explicit reads so I know where his head's at though. Right now he's consistently made posts which imply I am town, consistently suggests Vivax is mafia, and some posts about a few other players like Eversince.
Envisioning that Eversince is scum, then is she also white-knighting Skynx? Or do you think the way she's defending him feels different, and that he's more likely to be a scummate than just another townie she's trying to cozy up to?
Generally I do not make pre-flip associations.
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On April 09 2018 21:02 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:46 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.
##unvote
##vote eversince I wanted to clarify here, what GB did still weirds me out. I still don't understand why he picked you to ask a question about, and an active player. That flow doesn't make sense to me GlowingBear said "I remember rayn was really good with opening posts, that's why I inquired him." You might decide that he's lying or that his explanation still doesn't make sense to you, but I want to make sure you at least have seen what he already said about it.
Correct I have seen it, but have trouble swallowing that as an explanation. Why would he ask for and expect a response from a player who isnt there? It feels weird to me to ask what you think from a player reading in thread, and one who isn’t even there.
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On April 09 2018 21:04 Eversince wrote:
Look at his filter. All of it is 'This is wrong' Ignores caring about. Doesn't push. Doesn't fish around (Like right now! I am here but nothing?)
Hm, you might have a point. He does have a lot of negative posts in his filter.
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Still no rely to me eversince — explain your town read of me earier
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