[M] Classic Mafia

On March 17 2018 05:37 Calix wrote:


Long time no see.

As someone who has also worked two jobs, good to hear you're not getting slaughtered there anymore

On March 17 2018 05:51 Calix wrote:


Debt from grad tax college fees, I take it? I agree it pays off in the end though.

Probably sometime during the Easter break. All my teachers are on strike so I have no classes until September. And I am paying for this privilege

On March 18 2018 06:57 Skynx wrote:
Shit what have i done

On March 18 2018 15:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Is it just me or do the number of signups just keep increasing?

/out

On March 20 2018 08:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also the number of players in this game worries me. Someone will have to enlighten me on setup because I do not know what it is.

On March 20 2018 09:45 Conversion wrote:


I barely kept up with the last game, and I'm not reading any meta so far. We should still lynch n00bking. He is scum.

On March 20 2018 10:12 Alakaslam wrote:

Fiber gives me gas

On March 20 2018 11:38 ExO_ wrote:


He’s VT or mafia — not blue. That’s the distinction here

On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote:
I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.

I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.

I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.

##Vote: disformation

More votes on ykl would also be a good thing.

On March 20 2018 19:51 KelsierSC wrote:


yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided.

In terms of actual bad stuff. He liked a post that exo had made which wasn't that good.



I can understand exo's defence of this post but I don't like the post in general.

he also leaves exo off his list of town afterwards



gives the impression that he doesn't really care who his town circle is and just wants to throw some names out.
I'd lynch him and not just to stop the terrible RP.

On March 21 2018 07:35 Palmar wrote:
Also ff is not trustworthy

On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:

tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.

On March 21 2018 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hot take moose is actually town

On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote:

Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1.

On March 21 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:

What is that even supposed to mean? He's not doing anything with the roleplay. Roleplay doesn't DO anything. The discussion is of whether the use of roleplay is scum-indicative or town-indicative. Kelsier thought scum would be more likely to "hide" by making a persona. I asked how the persona is supposed to help him hide, when I think the opposite is actually true, and that it draws attention. And when I say that it's something I've seen from Town but not from Scum, that has nothing to do with my "values on how to play the game." It's just real-world, lived experience.

Scum: I'm gunna do weird shit, kus only town does weird shit!

Noobking: Wow, look at that townie, doing weird shit...

Scum: Success!

On March 21 2018 09:47 n00bKing wrote:
I'm the last person who needs the rules and roles quoted to me. As shown in the order of operations, the mafia roleblock would be enforced before a vigilante shot. And there is exactly no reason for you to assume they do not have a roleblocker. Or a jailkeeper.

So let's all just hope you're not a town vigilante. Because if you are, you've done a very stupid thing.

From OP
- The following roles can be used and can be of any alignment: Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante, Vanilla.

On March 21 2018 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I just wanted to point out I really hate this type of post from people.

On March 21 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Actually scrap that. Tictock's post is complete garbage like Mocsta's earlier post on me. Both have no idea what the point of my activity at the start of the game was and why my list is the way it is.

On March 21 2018 11:38 n00bKing wrote:

It's hugely important for the spectators, if you actually have ANY designs on seeing me lynched. Players get lynched and not lynched based on what spectators think of the arguments between them.

lol, oh no no no no no. By no means did I ask "what have I done wrong?" I know there is not something I've done wrong. I instead only listed things I've done that contribute to seeing my targets receive pressure, and things I've done that contribute to an atmosphere consistent with a town victory.

On March 22 2018 10:42 Mocsta wrote:
i dunno vivax

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=Tictock&view=all
its actually a pretty shite filter.
lots of fence-sitting, lots of apologies

sorta like the guy wearing the hand-glove below.
not just shouting from the sidelines, but shouting @ the people shouting from the sidelines...

On March 22 2018 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, rsoultin, Moosydoosy, Kelsier, darthfoley.

On March 22 2018 20:13 n00bKing wrote:

Thank goodness you didn't have a wasted singleton vote on me, at EoD. Oh, right.

Rels got lynched because we allowed ourselves to be in a position where one of those wagons HAD to be, instead of taking the ABC play of consolidating on the AFK (and if we could rewind and lynch the AFK instead, I guess we probably should, huh?)

Also, lol @ "taking no stance on other wagons." I broke a tie to protect darthfoley from being lynched, and Rels remained the lynch from the moment I did that, until EoD. Killing Rels isn't something to hang my hat on, but it pretty well protects me from your criticism of "taking no stances" on the wagons.

On March 22 2018 20:31 Holyflare wrote:
So why exactly are people town reading mocsta enough that he wasn't the lynch yesterday? Nobody other than himself even commented on my posts (maybe rayn a bit by proxy).

On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:


I think there's two approaches here I would consider:

Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead.


Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation.

+ Show Spoiler +

At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party).


So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum.

This is not a good post. Instead of trying to divert a lynch towards one of his many scum reads, he just wants to coinflip on me. His vote pattern is now n00bking -> rels -> me

On March 23 2018 00:57 Holyflare wrote:
Read my case yo. You missed out the parts where mocsta says noobking looks better but then says he's scummy a few posts later but then repeats he looks better again when everyone unvoted him.

On March 23 2018 01:03 Holyflare wrote:


https://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=Holyflare&page=6

A bit on the page before if you're bored.

On March 23 2018 05:31 disformation wrote:
that's actually another point. like tons of ppl scumread nk. why wasn't he the lynch?
I mean I think palmar, hf and rayn have a scumread on him? usually that would mean a lynch mob

On March 23 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:


It's okay. We can just make bull shit reads on each other then \o/ I'm not going to pretend that I even want to bother to try to figure out your alignment right now only to wafflebot all over the place on it the rest of the game lol >< Suffice it to say I can't confidently townread you.

On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 23 2018 07:03 Conversion wrote:


the point was not townreading HF. the point was why was Palmar above HF, why did he just call HF unimpressive without ever addressing the shared scumread, and why did he suddenly jump off NK when FF voted?

On March 23 2018 07:50 Mocsta wrote:
i thought it was organic because I was an associative "blue" link after the disfo vet collapse.

on a re-read, i believe thats how i got momentum (and yes, HF was calling for me prior.. but it didnt snowball till that point).

On March 23 2018 07:59 Mocsta wrote:
im lost this game, truly lost & also done some really stupid things.

I only read OP pre-game, so when I received my 1-shot VIG post, I really did think mafia could only be strongman/backup.
OUCH.

ANYWAYS, i expect to be shot & RB tonight, so backup scores a free KP.
this is my bad, and I cant take the actions back. I tried my best to make it look fake since, hence, no claiming EoD1.

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My reference to slam was because, he had this post where he claimed hmmm, 1-shot vig.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?page=37#736
I thought this meant he had a 1-shot role (thus would be town).. reading the OP later, scum can also be 1-shot.
Unfortunately, this doesnt help then.

Its very odd that rsoultin doesnt follow this up with me and demand I say the tell.
If I wasnt going to vig by the rules, I would prob shoot rsoultin this cycle as a dark horse with low risk for demoralising town.

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Who are my trusted town reads:

• Vivax
  
• Disfo

Who am I putting faith in for PoE

• rayn
  
• kelsier (i misinterpretted why he vote for me. i can accept it)
  
• palmar (too charistmatic)
  
• koshi
  
• conversion
  
• ykl
  
• darthfoley

Who i dont have problems with, but paying attention to their posts:

• HF (I cant tell if hes canvassing my D2 lynch, or seeking info.. one way moves up to town, the other moves down to scum)
  
• tictock (I appreciate the defend n1 with what for me was the unbiased truth. I can't tell if good intention, or setting up to shit on a town!HF. Consider this if tictock / HF / Mocsta are all alive D2)
  
• rsoultin
  
• n00bking

No fucking idea:

• ExO
  
• slam
  
• FF
  
• Coagulation
  
• Moosy

My guess for scum combination is that the 95% of actives are town and this is all in-fighting for OMGUS and EGO.
Something like ExO_ / FF and one of the actives (perhaps one of rsoultin or HF) makes some sense to me.

Like, I dont have a problem rsoultin is lost. I am lost.. however, the way she is manouvering to call me scum is interesting. I find it overly cautious - e.g. claiming pocketing etc.
I find this an evolved version of being apologetic - hence scummy.

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Anyways, if my vig shot does go through, I have decided to shoot ExO_.

This is because I want to clear some thoughts up for Vivax, and I also think ExO is over apologetically scummy & in the trash tier.

WIN-WIN for vig shot (if it goes through.. otherwise, sorry. hard game this one)

On March 23 2018 08:19 rsoultin wrote:


How is he confirmed town? I'll admit an ExO shot is weird for scum tho unless they were bluereading him

On March 22 2018 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Conversion is going to flip town because there is absolutely no way both darthfoley and disformation are town.

Rels [7]: Mocsta, rsoultin, Mocsta, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, Conversion, darthfoley, n00bking, raynpelikoneet, ExO_

On March 23 2018 12:07 Conversion wrote:
oh you mean you want to see what he can do. nvm. I’m going to bed I’ll be better tomorrow and for the weekend

On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:

So general game stuff:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track, there's probably a pool of KelsierSC, Koshi, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, ticktock, fecalfeast there? I'd try and filter them out one by one later to take a look.

On March 23 2018 18:36 n00bKing wrote:

This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean?

On March 23 2018 19:05 n00bKing wrote:

Now why is that something you would want "to be honest" about?

Mocsta was fairly close to being lynched on D1, so HF and I both felt comfortable saying he would not be killed. He was too tantalizing as a mislynch target. Meanwhile:

Kind of ridiculous. Why should they have wasted a Strongarm to kill an exposed Veteran?

Here are the 9 potential Town roles:

Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante

Every single one of them can help the Town catch scum, help the Town kill scum, or help the Town prevent kills by the scum....EXCEPT an exposed Veteran.

If we assume disformation is a legitimate Town Veteran, then: barring a scenario where he becomes the "Town Jesus" that was described earlier, there is NO rush to eliminate him. He's been completely neutralized by virtue of claiming his actual role, instead of just saying he was blue.

On March 23 2018 19:18 n00bKing wrote:

Rather...perhaps I was just RIGHT? And Holyflare was WRONG. And Tictock was either wrong or scum. Yeah...that makes for an extremely simple explanation of things, in place of "TMI."

But hey, if you want to claim "TMI" for my townread and defense of Exo, then you don't need to stop there. Keep digging in my filter, and I promise you'll find moooorrrre of it, because Exo was one of my Top 2 townreads in the whole friggin' game.

If the original town indicator wasn't enough for others, I have no idea why they still wouldn't decide he was Town after the most convincing continuous string of dumbtown posts I may ever have seen. Page after page, he had me chuckling through a facepalm, and eventually rsoul got so fed up with him that she (while saying she didn't think he was scum) made a post that essentially read like "I don't want to tell you that you're an idiot who can't read....BUT...."

I felt a little bit bad for her, but mostly I felt bad for Vivax, if Vivax was scum, and Exo was the guy he was going to try and push, that day. Because Exo's posting I felt made him a million percent lynchproof. It would have been doubly bad for scum Vivax because multiple players were saying that Exo and Kelsier (the other guy Vivax was pushing) appeared to be the same alignment. Such that Exo accidentally tripping and falling into a vat of neon green paint was going to render Vivax's other target lynchproof as well. Alas, Vivax was Town, so all this potential hilarity was for naught.

Anyway, you acted bummed that your top townread (Vivax) was killed last night. I'm pretty much in that same boat...thanks to YOU. So if you're a Town vigilante, then you're one in the hole, with that shot. Try not to get yourself two in the hole by contributing to my mislynch today. How can I help you keep from doing that?

On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:

Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion.

Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.

On March 23 2018 22:46 Conversion wrote:
I'm done with this. All of you can just waste your fucking day and policy lynch me.

On March 24 2018 01:11 Tictock wrote:


Cool, thanks for helping me understand why mafia would leave a claimed Veteran alive.

On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?

I want to lynch rso

On March 24 2018 02:52 disformation wrote:

10/10 answer. =D
will leave work in a bit, but lemme take a look at her filter later.

On March 24 2018 03:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
haHAA

On March 24 2018 03:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OH HEY MY NAME IS RAYN PEOPLE DONT VOTE THE WAY I LIKE IM JUST GOING TO GIVE UP AND FLAME OTHER PLAYERS HAHAA HAHAA

On March 24 2018 03:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright I'm being an asshole at this point so I'm going to stop

On March 24 2018 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No you dont. I said tomorrow.

On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:

More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion?
More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion?

On March 24 2018 07:55 n00bKing wrote:

It has relevance to this game in that rayn displayed a willingness to continue an argument in which he knows he is in the wrong. My fake-out non-vote of him was a big topic of discussion in that game, I *know* he remembers it. I *know* that HE knows that I did not vote for him in that game, and that the only two players I voted for in that game were BOTH scum. Yet he continued to extend the argument about it, time and time again. For what? To make the game thread longer and harder to read? To make his filter longer and harder to read? To try and take my focus off of the game at hand? What other reason would he have for willfully extending an argument where he knows what I've said is fact?

On March 24 2018 08:03 n00bKing wrote:

And if your inclination is to "assume that both were targeted because their reads were on track" then wouldn't you have to expect the mafia to have thought of this, when selecting their targets? In chess terms, this would represent thinking just ONE move ahead, yet you've not even done that?

Holyflare's top scum read had been mocsta, and Vivax's targets were Kelsier and Exo (whom multiple players had said were likely of the same alignment, regardless of which alignment that turned out to be). If the mafia wants people to think that HF and Vivax were targeted because their reads were on track, then it could be in an effort to achieve a mislynch on any of mocsta/Exo/Kelsier. Problem being that (if mocsta is truly a town Vigilante) they didn't foresee that he would cement his earlier Vigilante claim, and shoot Exo. Making an Exo mislynch impossible, a mocsta mislynch unlikely, and (if people still think Exo and Kelsier were likely the same alignment) a mislynch on Kelsier unlikely as well.

If you want to operate under the assumption that HF and Vivax were killed because their reads were on track, are you suggesting that mocsta should be the lynch? Are you suggesting that Kelsier should be the lynch? Are you suggesting anyone should be the lynch?

On March 24 2018 08:15 n00bKing wrote:

There wouldn't be any risk of fruitlessly responding to a dead HF, if you just didn't post until you'd read. And being saved from fruitlessly responding to a dead HF didn't save you from fruitlessly making posts about the flips while having no context.

eg "Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?" If you just read before you posted, you would have seen that mocsta had said he was vig-killing Exo.

So, why would a TOWN player feel any need to post reactions to the flips, if he hadn't read the rest of the thread yet, and had no context to work with? I see absolutely no reason for a town player to do this. However, it is comparatively easier for me to pick out the scum motivation for trying to sound like you've not read the thread when you actually have.

On March 24 2018 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Can you tell me who you actually think is mafia?
The problem i have with you is that usually when i play and you're town i ahve huge problems with you -- i mean in a way that you post some reads and i disagree with them all and then i think you are mafia and either i mislynch you or one of us dies.

This game the only things i remember from you are things where you ask me something that can be easily explained in my filter straight out. It feels like you only read half of the posts and completely disregard others, like you pick a post that looks "bad" and not even call the dude (me) scum for it, just "question" them. That's why i think you look bad, almost the worst in the game in fact.

On March 24 2018 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you think of the above post by noobking?
Why do you quote a post you actually say nothing about?

On March 24 2018 10:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wow i didn't know firefly had a voting thread. Is noobking voting for me because it seems like he is surely calling me mafia?

On March 24 2018 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually this is one of the things i agree with him, not in your words but his. You are putting words to his mouth.

On March 24 2018 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

- Rels called me town
- Rels' reads were not nowhere in line with mine
- Rels didn't ask me anything anytime
- I didn't feel the need to address this because the first time i voted for him i was not sure if i even wanna lynch him and second time well.. there was not much time and i only swapped myu vote because i thought df claimed doc and i didn't want to lynch Mocsta or Conversion.


That is because i found Conversion townie and Rels not.


I also called Moosy mafia in last game obs QT probably like 12 hrs into the game. Do you find that spooky too? Idk, i can't answer you on that, i think he is town and that's it.

On March 24 2018 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you don't feel like he is misrepresenting the situation at all?
Like Conversion who modkilled himself and me and whoever else he was talking aabout all the same?

On March 24 2018 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont either know why would nayone ever make that post as town.

On March 24 2018 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well if Rels disagrees with me he either tries to make me see his way or understand my way or call me mafia. Take that as you want, i am sorry i was wrong in the end here but i don't think he did anything, especially what i think he would have done as town towards me.

I am not Moosy whisperer. Unless i am. I have my meta on him and that's it i am trusting it until someone makes a slam dunk case on him.

On March 24 2018 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem is this:

Because in my world you are "pushing yourself" into wrong direction. And that's just not because of reads but also how you treat those two people here, Vivax is basically "i wanna sheep him", and HF is "maybe i can townread him now". That sounds unnatural as hell to me.

On March 24 2018 11:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I can sheep a vote on noobking. But I'd prefer to carry out HF's last will and kill Tictock.

On March 23 2018 18:59 Koshi wrote:

This I agree with. NK last post was incredible underwhelming.

Conversion I dont know about atm. I might not lynch him based on TT his read on conv which I respect.

On March 22 2018 07:28 KelsierSC wrote:
why are we acting like fucking retards all of a sudden and going oprah on our votes.

df, moosy , dis if you dont believe the claim are the only real choices.

I don't understand the mocsta voting at all.

On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote:
voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote.

Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster.

On March 22 2018 07:39 KelsierSC wrote:
or they were worried about df being lynched...

this conversion wagon is really fucking bad lol

On March 22 2018 07:43 KelsierSC wrote:
i dont want like 3 wagons competing with conversions wagon

keep it clean

vote df or conversion of give a real fucking good reason why you are wasting your vote.

On March 24 2018 12:12 Alakaslam wrote:
As per Holyflare, I will look into Palmar and vote Ticktock.

On March 24 2018 12:07 Alakaslam wrote:

Why YKL? He is pretty new, have you factored that in?

I saw him as scummy earlier. I do not remember why. But I retracted it when I filtered him.

On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Ok yeah, I'm finally back. Kinda got stuck with some RL stuff last 2 days. Just kinda quickly read up the last few pages.

Quick reply to n00bking firstly:
I was kind of hesitating on the first day vote, that was quite terrible and came about since I woke up at 6am trying to do a last minute decision before the deadline at 7am my time. Probably not the best of ideas. I made a snap judgement between the front runners and it was pretty much that. I'm also not too sure where you're reading fear from tbh, I've been nothing but very open and the fear/dodging that you want to attribute to me was more lack of time just having to keep up with the thread.
And also: "instead" of putting your vote on me.


So general game stuff:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track, there's probably a pool of KelsierSC, Koshi, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, ticktock, fecalfeast there? I'd try and filter them out one by one later to take a look.

Can anyone point out which page was the start of the rels push, I want reread what the heck happened there since I was slightly sleep dazed and reading off a tablet.

On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:

Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion.

Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.

On March 24 2018 05:33 Tictock wrote:


Noting this post, especially if there is nothing else from y’all after this.

This first bit is fine, but I don’t like him calling himself stupid. Feels like he is downplaying his own impact on the game. Sorta a “don’t expect much from me” thing.

Jumping from “they were killed because they were right” into “killed kus they were wrong to sow confusion” feels off too. The next best explanation should simply be because they were well townread and not easy mid lynched.

The last bit is what really bugs me though, and why I’ll be keeping an eye out for follow up posts from ykl. Waaaayyyyy too passive and is basically asking to be given something to talk about.

I can understand being overwhelmed as Town and not knowing where to start, but this feels more like overwhelmed mafia not having a clue what to post.

On March 24 2018 12:31 Alakaslam wrote:

...

+ Show Spoiler +

I don’t know whether this is about me or Conversion

On March 21 2018 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
I've skimmed up while I'm supposed tk be working.

Towny
Palmar
Rso
Hf
Didform

Not towny
Kelsier
Noobking
Moose

Back to work ask me why if you must

On March 22 2018 01:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
So we believe mocstas vig claim right? Ive had him as scummy in my brain but that d1 claim though

On March 22 2018 01:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well then i scumread mocsta and am pocketed by hf.

Why is disfo more scum than nk, sheepdog hf?

On March 22 2018 01:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
So mocsta says he's staying on noobking, sees that I'm voting noobking so changes his vote to rels and says I'm getting vigged but doesn't include me in his lynch list?

On March 22 2018 01:30 Fecalfeast wrote:

Also he says mafia is looking for any town lynch, implies I'm scum by not voting with me which means I'm looking for easy town lynch on noobking but still keeps noobking in his lynch list

On March 22 2018 04:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
that would mean my usually pretty accurate early gut reads are wrong though vivax

That would make me sad

On March 22 2018 06:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
This is my only break til deadline and i have no idea what's going on... can we lynch vivax

On March 22 2018 07:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think vivax and hf are town and its hard to decide who to sheep

On March 23 2018 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Definitely not a koshi tier read i should be scummy coinflip at best

On March 23 2018 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
So if nobody claims vivax as a vig shot I'm going to assume he was correct about a player most everyone else is townreading

On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?

I want to lynch rso

On March 24 2018 02:51 Fecalfeast wrote:

Alternatively I'll sheep onto noobking

On March 24 2018 16:54 n00bKing wrote:

...as rayn and I have said, there is no reason for a town player to make that post. As I've said, I can, however, imagine a reason for a scum player to make that post.

And again, his defense of the post has been even worse than the post was. Check my "Yikes" post.

On March 24 2018 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier
ykl
FF

Basically have to contain at least one mafia however i look at this. Unless of course the two people i don't talk about are scum.

On March 24 2018 23:35 n00bKing wrote:

Don't really have time to address this, and the other things I'm about to. Ask me about it again later, if a Tictock lynch looks or feels more achievable than whatever one I seem to be wanting at the time.

On March 24 2018 23:44 Mocsta wrote:

Ykl content might be minimal

But tone is very consistent even following longer post intervals.

Like if you arent super invested as a new player.. a 120p game is not going to entice more activity.

I would never lynch ykl or kelsier over a ff

On March 24 2018 23:56 n00bKing wrote:

I don't know how much legwork it is or isn't. What I know is that Palmar told us he's only reading 20-30% of the game, and that he doesn't "meta" people. Then he went and dug up multiple links to discussions of the Coag "town seal" meta. If Coag is on the scum team with him, and this is the game where the seal is being broken, then the motivation is obvious.

It sounds to me like rsoul and/or rayn are hypothesizing that Palmar could instead have done that just to look like he was doing *something* and it wouldn't hurt his scum play to give town Coag all this help looking townie, because Coag is a well-known player, and the history of the town seal would have come to light if needed anyway.

That all sounds fine too. So again, red Palmar doesn't necessarily mean red Coag. I was only saying that unless or until we see red Palmar, I'm not even going to worry about a red Coag, because of how huge an indicator the town seal appears to be.

On March 25 2018 00:03 n00bKing wrote:


You won't make up for killing a Town player with a botched vig shot by killing another one with a botched Day 2 lynch. Do better.

Help us find a flaw in the arguments against Palmar, if there are any. Help us determine FF's alignment, if there's a way to do that. This Phase isn't do or die, but this Phase matters.

And if you're Town, your vote is in the wrong place.

On March 25 2018 02:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:

##Unvote
##Vote: disformation

instavote for shitty pun

On March 25 2018 02:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of agree with rayn. I think noobking is scum here but I want to see other players' alignments first like darth.

I guarantee if darth flips scum, then ykl is scum as well

On March 25 2018 05:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
We'll see. I just refilled my coffee and my SO is leaving for the rest of the day so the conditions are perfect

On March 25 2018 06:30 n00bKing wrote:

If that doesn't feel like a real read, then I guess you haven't ever seen one.

On March 25 2018 06:51 n00bKing wrote:

I feel like there was really only one. It more or less amounted to "what did you discern from the night actions?" Unfortunately, we've had very little information about what the night actions actually were, and the analysis is made more difficult by not knowing how many mafia there are. (Again, that sure would be handy to know!)
I haven't had time to complete that analysis, as it takes actual effort. Skimming someone's meta is something I can do while doing something at the same time that isn't game-related. Responding to a bunch of posts in the thread is something that takes almost no time, because I am usually posting from a legit keyboard, and type over 90wpm. I can post comments on other posts almost as quickly as I generate thoughts about them. Analyzing what it means that Vivax and HF appear to have been the night-kill targets is a whole other kind of animal.
That said, from what I did get to of the comments from Vivax and HF on other players, other players' comments on Vivax and HF, and mixing in some inductive reasoning, I think HF and Vivax being the night-kills would help me feel better about Exo, mocsta, and Kelsier being town. And to a lesser extent, also Tictock. (So my vote on him was only about the fact that he's had bad posts throughout every stage of the game. I voted for him despite the night results, and not because of them.)
Meanwhile, HF and Vivax being the night-kills would make me more suspicious of Palmar, and you. And to a lesser extent, also Koshi and FecalFeast.
Not knowing how many mafia there are is a problem again here also, because the fewer of them there are, the more weight you can put on what each one's "desirable kills" would be, based on their play. But I think another factor is that if there is an overbearing personality on the scum team (like a Palmar, for example) then I could see it not mattering what the "desirable kills" would be for potential teammates like ykl or FecalFeast. Palmar might just browbeat them into whatever Night Actions he wanted anyway.
Palmar's meta looks slightly scum-indicative to me. His posts in this game (independent of the nightkills or his meta) already felt slightly scummy to me. The fact that he so powerfully scumreads someone I know to be Town does not help anything. Do I find anything in his filter that makes Vivax and Holyflare undesirable Night-kills for him? I do not. Do I think it would make sense for him to eliminate those targets, as maybe being players who have played with him a lot and could potentially use his meta history against him? Yeah, I could possibly see that. So that's the player I would flip today, were it my choice.

On March 25 2018 07:11 n00bKing wrote:

Sure, I could have worded that better. I have initial impressions of what the nightkills will mean about some other players. Gut-based, instinct stuff, before I check. Sixth sense told me the nightkills were going to look good for Tictock, I voted for him "despite" that. After the analysis I did confirmed what sixth sense told me, I kept my vote on him for a while longer "despite" that. (Again, which kills Tictock would like may not matter, if there were an overbearing personality on the team with him controlling decisions.) I completed enough of the analysis to draw other conclusions from the nightkills (as listed above), but did not complete the process entirely.

On March 25 2018 07:20 n00bKing wrote:

I don't really agree. It depends on other factors too.

Oh, and on that note, I'm a blue role.

On March 25 2018 07:27 n00bKing wrote:

shrug? I've claimed less than 10 minutes before deadline before.

On March 25 2018 07:49 n00bKing wrote:

Never have, never will.

On March 25 2018 07:52 n00bKing wrote:

Not all things can be redeemed. Not even by Mafia Jesus.

On March 25 2018 07:55 n00bKing wrote:

Pretty sure Jesus was a King.

On March 25 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote:
\o/

jesus is truly adorable. if only his skin wasn't so sooooft

On March 25 2018 08:06 Tictock wrote:
thats like 8v4 tomorrow then?

4 Town flips right there, 4 from D1-N1. Shit 2 more inc, means 10 players left

so 6v4 LyLo... jesus indeed

On March 25 2018 08:13 darthfoley wrote:
Wowowow

I will make sense of this somehow. Jesus

On March 25 2018 08:15 Palmar wrote:


No we're playing spite now.

ff is a fine lynch for not participating, but coag is top. Maybe slam for that ragequit and not voting.

We're not killing tictock because I'm no longer trying to find mafia. I'm now playing a game of "let's kill all the trash in town".

On March 25 2018 08:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
i'm town

On March 25 2018 08:24 Fecalfeast wrote:

idc tbh lol bbq

On March 25 2018 08:24 Fecalfeast wrote:

idc tbh lol bbq

On March 25 2018 08:34 rsoultin wrote:


is it awful that i'm actually praying for a serial killer with good reads?

On March 25 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote:
Hahaha. Brutal.
Well. At this point I am interested how good my list will hold up. Been okish so far. Wrong on Conversion. But with all mid tier players getting murdered I am either quite right or very wrong.

On March 25 2018 08:41 Tictock wrote:


Actually you are probably mafia.

You claimed to be following my read on Conv. Which was correct, btw.

On March 25 2018 08:47 rsoultin wrote:
I just forgot rayn again...at least his tone felt pretty town rayn to me in several spots. I'll have to reread his filter closely and really think on it.

-pokes disinfo and tt- i feel y'all are more town than the names i've put down above. You did great work on a day where town was getting comfortably lynched and no effort was happening in the thread from hardly anyone. I find that really unlikely to come from scum. Will also need y'all's help tonight.

On March 25 2018 08:57 Mocsta wrote:

Thats a good point

Ok
I will relax tictoxk

On March 25 2018 09:17 rsoultin wrote:


lol that's the spirit ><

On March 25 2018 09:20 rsoultin wrote:


try and convince them that they don't want to win a game this lame? have at it

okay, now i'm legitimately just spamming

going to bed. will tackle this in the morning. go on my non-euro minions!

df <3 i'd love for you to prove my earlier filter dive right and stick it to nk who is probably gloating in obs about how awful this site and its players are

On March 25 2018 09:19 Mocsta wrote:
Im completely serious

Tictock is confirmed mafia

Lynch tomorrow
Honor holyflare

On March 25 2018 10:44 darthfoley wrote:


Stop posting

On March 25 2018 10:49 Mocsta wrote:
the only caveat is that tictock had votes as the alt. wagon.

but when it was clear n00b was getting lynched, tictock didtn stop.
thats what makes me feel good.

On March 25 2018 09:19 Mocsta wrote:
Im completely serious

Tictock is confirmed mafia

Lynch tomorrow
Honor holyflare

On March 25 2018 10:58 rsoultin wrote:

Id argue koshi but there's not a huge distinction between the two.

On March 25 2018 11:09 Mocsta wrote:
stop this.

since rsoultin made that post about effort, i dropped the read immediately.

"thats what makes me feel good"

On March 23 2018 08:47 Koshi wrote:

I have high hopes for you palmar.

If you find time. Look into df, conversion and fefe. I am going to need help not lynching into those 3. First I need to see why they arent mafia before my brain opens up for others.

And I understand all 3 are not mafia. Maybe only 1. Very maybe 2.

On March 23 2018 18:59 Koshi wrote:

This I agree with. NK last post was incredible underwhelming.

Conversion I dont know about atm. I might not lynch him based on TT his read on conv which I respect.

On March 25 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote:
Hahaha. Brutal.
Well. At this point I am interested how good my list will hold up. Been okish so far. Wrong on Conversion. But with all mid tier players getting murdered I am either quite right or very wrong.

On March 25 2018 11:26 Tictock wrote:
Yea this progression on Conversion is weird,





Koshi not even following his own track of thoughts.

One thing for him to change his mind, but this looks more like he just doesn't care.

How likely is it that both are Mafia?

If so who might the +2 be? Rayn actually seems likely in this case, he has been confident Moosy is town, and I don't actually recall him talking about Koshi.

On March 25 2018 11:05 Mocsta wrote:
this one

On March 22 2018 01:53 disformation wrote:
but i am not dead yet and i might or not might have some stuff stuffed up my sleeves.

On March 22 2018 04:46 disformation wrote:

meh. don't think all of koshi, rayn, ksc and hf would be on me if they were scum.
maybe two of them. would maybe explain why this game is stale af right now.

nah just plain old town veteran. worst role I can get.
and since this is a semi open you guys should prolly lynch me regardless of that if you rly think I am scum. but don't play surprised when I flip nice and blue.

somewhat sad that the first ml on me will prolly be a d1 blue ml. well, will be better for my sleep schedule and productivity at work.
sry for sucking at the game I guess.

will try to be around and give you guys some reeds to work with, but in all honesty I am not hugely motivated as things stand.

On March 22 2018 05:52 disformation wrote:
... at least plammar is playing now I guess.
so as things stand we still gonna lynch me, cause we have 0 consensus on anything right?

On March 25 2018 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

it is day yoiu fuckface.

On March 25 2018 12:19 darthfoley wrote:
i'm just gonna ignore what you write because you obviously ignore what I write.

On March 26 2018 04:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:

^^ mafia right here too

On March 26 2018 04:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
also, the fact that darthfoley claims he's burnt out but goes on to play with a completely different playstyle from his town game last game is a huge red flag here

On March 26 2018 04:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
alright well i'm caught up going to read my filter and see what i had written for myself on mocsta and tinfoil

On March 26 2018 07:44 Mocsta wrote:
i dont understand the false premise of the question at hand?

On March 26 2018 07:51 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways,

the more I think about it.
disfo is scum.

I really dont see how we have 4 blue roles. and I am certain scum would never withhold KP on Night 1 and disfo certainly was not shot to test the vest.

So Day3 lynch = Disfo
Day4 lynch = Koshi
Day 5 lynch = Moosy

[b]I believe we need 2 KP blocks to keep this game going if remaining lynches are successful; which will be a big ask.
As I think 3 mafia will need to be lynch before KP drops to 1....

Final mafia is dependent on who is still standing.

I am also so very confused why people are forgetting about Moosy this cycle. Like at least 2-3 people have suggested lynching Dis over Koshi, which is absurd.