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On March 21 2018 13:12 Mocsta wrote:
#711 n00bking
Its awesome you approached all topics; however, I find this to be a superficial summary.
Maybe thats poor interpretation by me, but i started reading with excitement, and ended reading with disappointment.
It's Day 1. Go find me the post where someone said something super exciting and compelling. That's not how this works.
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On March 21 2018 05:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 00:32 Conversion wrote:
I read some filters.
I'll consolidate onto disform, only for the reason I have a nagging memory of someone explaining his scum play and feeling like it fits it. I'd have to meta dive for that, but that's annoying.
I don't think ykl is scum for whatever reason alakabanana slamma jamma man said. and I don't think anyone else being voted is scum. besides disform. Had a few people call out this idea and have to agree with them. We really don't need to consolidate onto dis right now if you have a good read vivax and hf called it out, yeh im not a big fan, not sure what this accomplishes. Then again conversion has come back and qualified the statement. So just have to see what he comes back with. I like rsoultin calling out slam a lot and pushing that vote. pretty good list post. nothing to write home about but still a solid list ---- Dis list post and follow up - I have specific questions which I will ask in a seperate post --- apparently I made df cry, I I will attempt to be nicer. I disagree with what you said on rayn and rsoul. I can't blame you for being confused about my dis vote because I was tilted and shit posting. You do seem to just be parroting sentiment on noobking, have you had original thought? Still have you as scummy but i'm not building a case right now. FF has rsoultin posting a lot? It's way down on what you would expect and vivax called out rsoultin for not posting enough. I'm not liking ff tbh ---- I'd probably have a lynch pool of dis,exo,noob,slam,ff, df and moosy does sicklucker not post d1 anymore? obviously i need to narrow the list down but i'm good with that pool right now. I can't remember why i asked ticktock a question so hold on
List post more often scum than not though. Careful calling them good m8
Anyway reading up
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On March 21 2018 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote:
I also think moosy is scummy because the only person to "call him out" was exo and apparently he felt enough pressure/angst to vote himself off of that. Don't know whether I should listen to mafia moosy's post last game on whether he's reformed and base things off that or not though.
Was initially a town read for being happy but now not. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy
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STAHP
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On March 21 2018 05:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 15:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Moosy if youre around do you remember the name of the game where you cake and gb were mafia and bussed each other? i tried to but i cant find it Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 17:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote:
I also think moosy is scummy because the only person to "call him out" was exo and apparently he felt enough pressure/angst to vote himself off of that. Don't know whether I should listen to mafia moosy's post last game on whether he's reformed and base things off that or not though.
Was initially a town read for being happy but now not. I 100% disagree, I think Moosy is town. uhhh wtf
Rayn, if town, is not questionable
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Quickly skimming through the posts I missed makes me want to bump up DF and Exo a spot in my last post.
Has Rels actually made it a thing of just not playing D1? If so that is indeed total shit.
As I’m (hopefully) falling asleep I’m wondering just how entertaining a Koshi vs Palmar EoD wagon would be.
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On March 21 2018 13:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 13:14 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 12:41 darthfoley wrote:On March 21 2018 12:14 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 11:58 Mocsta wrote:Cool story bruh, From 6 weeks ago. On February 02 2018 01:40 Skynx wrote:Vendée Globe 16' Mafia [Flips] Day1: mderg, as Mafia FramerNight1: Trfel, as VTDay2: rsoultin, as Mafia GoonNight2: Mocsta, as VTDay3: Damdred, as Mafia Roleblocker I hope you don't think that's supposed to be contrary evidence? I can confidently expect that mderg was a fuckup in that game. LoL. Literally every mafia caught ever fucked up in some way because they were lynched or vigi shot. What a meaningless semantics to prove your e-peen. I don't think I can bring myself to believe that you genuinely can't tell the difference between what I said, and "literally every mafia caught ever fucked up in some way." A scum player who gets lynched on D1 probably fucked up big, and their lynch is probably on them, and not creditable to super-awesome town play. A scum lynch on D1 is already statistically improbable, and then made all the more unlikely by the fact that (unlike most town players) they will have teammates who know they are on the team, and will actively work to keep them out of the Noose. A red flip on D1 should never be the expectation, and no one should be overly disappointed when it doesn't come. Therefore, when Mocsta says that even if Moosy is scum, there should be enough D1 content here to still lynch someone ELSE successfully too, that is really, really weird. But I could envision the mafia trying to lull the town into a false sense of security that "everything is going cool...you don't need to ask more questions....you don't need to do more thinking....we've got all this content...things are great...everyone just sit back and relax." The motivation for a TOWN player to say it? I dunno man, you tell me. I don't see it. I agree that it is a weird thing to point out and one that I don't like. IMO if you think moosy is mafia, you vote to lynch him. You don't "wait and see" if you truly believe he's mafia tbh.
That's fine. The Moosy-specific part isn't really the one that jumps out to me though. It's the confidence that the D1 lynch would still be successful even if we passed over one bad guy to find another. No, we're probably gonna lynch a town player on D1. The game mechanics assume that we will lynch a town player on D1. So the notion that Day 1 has already given us everything we need to make a correct D1 lynch (and the unspoken implication that the town could afford to take the rest of the Phase off) is what rubs me the wrong way. (It probably doesn't help that I know his vote is on a town player.)
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On March 21 2018 07:21 Holyflare wrote:
I also agree with read on slam. Far too many coherent sentences and words.
The unvote post struck me as the most uncharacteristic. Just seems off. None of the sson, u see with the eyes of chupazi. The house of maroon thought you were svengali but now you're not.
Ayyy but see I lost the eyes. See, was it present last game? Was it really?
For I was to be a Nazarene, but I have tasted the Chelada.
I appeal to the Meta Caesar!
All who would lynch me! See my prior game. Note that I replaced in.
What is actually different here?
Like truly different?
n00bking you must see it. You have the eyes of the detail; though you cannot see the forest, you must see that the trees are the same?
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On March 21 2018 13:33 Tictock wrote:
Quickly skimming through the posts I missed makes me want to bump up DF and Exo a spot in my last post.
Has Rels actually made it a thing of just not playing D1? If so that is indeed total shit.
As I’m (hopefully) falling asleep I’m wondering just how entertaining a Koshi vs Palmar EoD wagon would be.
Yea Rels comes in with like two hours to go every D1 in the last two years with some excuse
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On March 21 2018 07:33 Conversion wrote:
Meh. I keep rereading n00bking's filter and I don't see town or NAI. I see scum.
His entrance on how many mafia => strategy changing was a horrible post. How is that NAI? Why would a town anyone care about how many mafia there are?
You wrote more but this is what I am concerned with.
Well, because when you play mafia on Smashboards (don’t deny- you’re from there NK) you start with a Random Voting Stage. Essentially? You throw day 1.
Here, he has seen the light and sees that we utilize even day 1; but he knows not how to do this yet. Setup speculation comes to mind when you haven’t yet dealt with earlygame depth. Wall jumping into the water looks like diving to the beach native.
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On March 21 2018 13:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 05:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 21 2018 00:32 Conversion wrote:
I read some filters.
I'll consolidate onto disform, only for the reason I have a nagging memory of someone explaining his scum play and feeling like it fits it. I'd have to meta dive for that, but that's annoying.
I don't think ykl is scum for whatever reason alakabanana slamma jamma man said. and I don't think anyone else being voted is scum. besides disform. Had a few people call out this idea and have to agree with them. We really don't need to consolidate onto dis right now if you have a good read vivax and hf called it out, yeh im not a big fan, not sure what this accomplishes. Then again conversion has come back and qualified the statement. So just have to see what he comes back with. I like rsoultin calling out slam a lot and pushing that vote. pretty good list post. nothing to write home about but still a solid list ---- Dis list post and follow up - I have specific questions which I will ask in a seperate post --- apparently I made df cry, I I will attempt to be nicer. I disagree with what you said on rayn and rsoul. I can't blame you for being confused about my dis vote because I was tilted and shit posting. You do seem to just be parroting sentiment on noobking, have you had original thought? Still have you as scummy but i'm not building a case right now. FF has rsoultin posting a lot? It's way down on what you would expect and vivax called out rsoultin for not posting enough. I'm not liking ff tbh ---- I'd probably have a lynch pool of dis,exo,noob,slam,ff, df and moosy does sicklucker not post d1 anymore? obviously i need to narrow the list down but i'm good with that pool right now. I can't remember why i asked ticktock a question so hold on List post more often scum than not though. Careful calling them good m8
Yeah. I don't think I've ever made a "most trusted to least trusted" list, as Town. Only as scum, and only when I was really motivated to get other players to follow suit. And if I'm Town, I am probably never going to ask you who you've got firmly stuck in your "townpile." I don't need to know who your strongest townreads are, just who your scumreads are. And you don't need to know about my strongest townreads either.
But if I'm scum? Yeah, THEN I want to know who is in your townpile. THEN I want to know who EVERYone has in their townpile. If I'm scum, I'd like to see a list post from everybody. I might even want to see that badly enough to post one myself.
Unfortunately, on THIS site, those types of list posts are a mistake made SO frequently by town players, that you can't really scumread anyone for doing it.
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#729 - Slam
Who are you planning to slam with a vote?
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On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
So... im in an odd predicament
(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.
I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF
Rest is probably side distractions.
My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:
Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)
Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.
Apologies to leave it like this.
Like shit I’m a big topic still.
Consider lynching me like lynching little Blazinghand. I am really actually quite good; I’m just too nervous to ditch the façade just yet. Also, late game I wifom myself to the 5th level so I become easily influenced again.
So I’m a mid game player. Give me the mid game, and I’ll benefit. I really shine when you throw me in at the middle.
But lynching me early is just a waste.
Say I were actually mafia even. Do you really think I am a good day one lynch mafia player? I am shit at pushing a real lynch I actually believe in (read last game! I couldn’t even do it with HF’s dogged help, and he is one of the best!) so what real use am I to a scumteam?
Except to bus. So now, if you’re pushing me as scum? Consider this. As your scummate, (lol), I just took away your ability to bus me without heavily implicating yourself- EVERYONE KNOWS MY POINT IS RIGHT; I AM A GREAT BUSSING TARGET. SO NOW YOU INCRIMINATE YOURSELF. You ask, “lol slam cracked poor guy” in the QT, “how the hell does he think this will implicate us with his flip?”
Here’s the kicker.
Town, if you push me with genuine intent on me being scum, you are a lazy ass and deserve to lose. I am, if not THE least, one of the least influential players on this forum- I SAY BAR NONE, and challenge you to lift my spirits a bit and prove me wrong.
So when I flip town? You deserve to be suspected.
BAM MAFIA GOTTA BACK OFF.
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On March 21 2018 13:46 Mocsta wrote:
#729 - Slam
Who are you planning to slam with a vote?
I’ll look into it. Have to press R first.
(Priority 1: prove you are town).
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I know I am being pushed by lazy mafia and that’s done, gotta start small with the dominance hierarchies and this is my first to climb.
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#732
Lol 
Did you copy and paste NK from the QT?
Like. I was expecting at least a utube clip at the end bruh.
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On March 21 2018 07:55 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 07:37 Mocsta wrote:
Palmar, im the vig btw.
Dont care to say it because mafia dont have a RB. lolwut
IKR? Is vig one shot or something?
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On March 21 2018 13:55 Mocsta wrote:#732 Lol Did you copy and paste NK from the QT? Like. I was expecting at least a utube clip at the end bruh.
You didn’t read I gather?
NOOBKING
Prove to the thread that you know who the hell Blazinghand is.
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On March 21 2018 08:20 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 01:20 Conversion wrote:
What confuses me about n00bking is why he refuses to even briefly acknowledge that I want to lynch him. Why would any town just flat out refuse to discuss with the one person calling them scum, if even just to generate the reasons behind it? He's clearly active enough in the thread to nitpick certain posts, so I'm curious as to see if he's going to explain why he's not engaging me Engaging you about what? To "generate the reasons behind" your vote against me? If your vote is earnest, then generating the reasons behind it is your job, not mine. lol Assuming your vote wasn't earnest, then your tactic is one I've employed many times, and the town was better-served by me letting it play out, instead of immediately demonstrating how there was no reason to vote against me, and shutting down what you were trying to do. If you *were* using that tactic, then I was just as interested to see who might follow along as you were. If you weren't, then I guess you were only wasting time, but oh well.
Yes yes more smashboards brain dead lemming hunting.
Y’all seriously didn’t believe there could be an IQ of 13X behind all the trolling did you?
I troll because like IRL games, mafia tends to not be deep enough to be truly readable. Like TRULY readable.
So I’m the least of these! Be the worst of the best and enjoy! :D
But the time is come to come out of my shell of being so afraid to make a mistake in front of others. I’ll rise.
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Yeah, Noobking. Nobody here will fall for that trick so we tend to chew it out immediately.
But you don’t have to engage him because he didn’t garner a serious following because you haven’t been scummy as shit like last game.
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What’s also sucks is I am a terrible communicator. Like I can see that the white truck doesn’t have a brake booster problem, but a master cylinder problem but I’m so inarticulate (and not a mechanic) that I actually convinced our mechanic he was right
So now the truck has a new brake booster and a newer master cylinder :3
Same thing with mafia. I can read shit and do it intelligently, I just can’t show you why coherently.
So
FRUSTRATION GROWS AND THE JUICES FLOW
YOU ALL SEE NOT WITH THE EYES OF CHUPAZI, YOU MUST SEEK THE WAY OF THE UNKNOWN
WELL CHICKEN MCFISH IT DOESNT MATTER
BANG
IM BACK oh nobody listens and I know why now lol
So, let’s give it another shot, I don’t have to fall back on “oh I’m a troll is all” anymore as few people actually remember shit any better than I do. And everyone gets it wrong sometimes.
You know, guy who pushed me out of a relationship, had 3 words for amazing advice:
“Confidence is sexy”
Time to be confident.
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On March 21 2018 08:38 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 03:26 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2018 17:34 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 15:56 rsoultin wrote:
Slam is not giving me the adorable aimless vibes. I usually love reading his posts and keeping him around. Might be scum.
Can you describe the difference between his posts in this game, and the last? I think you'd agree that if they aren't the same thing, they are at least *meant* to *look* like the same thing. So what's keeping them from looking like the same thing? Like why does this matter? Idk and you don't either. Step 1) I notice that Alakaslam doesn't feel quite the same to me as in the previous game. It seems like his posts are an attempt to artificially recreate his play from the previous game, instead of an authentic repeat of his play from the previous game. Step 2) rsoul then makes almost the exact same observation. Step 3) I ask rsoul if she can elaborate on the difference between his play in the two games, so that I can tell if there's any sort of real substantiation that I can investigate, or if she's stuck in the same boat I am (with nothing better to explain the difference than "feelz.") Unfortunately it sounded like she's stuck in the same boat I am. Making me hesitant to join her effort to get votes on Alakaslam is the fact that in her first lengthy post of the thread, her read on Alakaslam was virtually the ONLY thing that lined up with my own thoughts. Whereas, in the previous game (where I know she was town) her thoughts aligned with what Town me would have been thinking on nearly every non-Holyflare-related subject, the entire game.
Read me better m8. Stop being lazy.
Rsoul is being validated after making those posts. I’m gonna change now for real, to highlight that and to help shed the shell post flip.
Even though frankly? I’m safe. Time to scumhunt for real.
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