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On March 21 2018 11:49 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 10:51 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2018 10:47 Tictock wrote:On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
? I don't give a shit you temp scum read me (for pretty meh reasons), and I'm leaning town on you atm. Got bigger fish bro. I am surprised you agree with the notion of leaving Moosy off the lynch block today though. Not that he is my top scum read or dying to lynch him myself, but I do think he has a pretty good chance of being mafia at this point. Idk, just weird to see multiple people take this "ignore Moosy" stance. I cant speak for others, but my opinion is 2-fold. (1) Most trolling mafia dont have the balls to keep it up for an entire cycle. At some point there is a need to survive. I dont know Moosy well enough to understand if this tell applies, but, i can give benefit of the doubt for 1 cycle. (2) I am expecting between 4 and 5 mafia. Even if Moosy was mafia, i think there is enough content this Day1 to have a successful lynch outside moosy. Your 2nd point is seriously ludicrous. Even if Moosy was Mafia, you think there's enough content in Day ONE to have a successful lynch on someone else? Why would a town player ever believe this? The odds of a successful Day 1 lynch are ALWAYS LOW. And any time a scum player is lynched on Day 1, it's always going to be their own fault, and not the result of some widespread super-sleuthing from the town players. Remember that time when a scum player was lynched on Day 1, not because they did something wrong, but because the town at large just played and cooperated so well together that the odds of a successful lynch actually tilted in their favor? No, neither does anyone else. In the history of ever.Even if a town player had this kind of confidence (which they should not), they still should not speak of it. But certainly a mafia player would have reason to speak of it. It will decelerate discussion, and keep players from thinking for themselves.
Two games ago our town lynched three mafia in three days to win a perfect game. So yea, go do some research m8
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On March 21 2018 11:58 Mocsta wrote:Cool story bruh, From 6 weeks ago. Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 01:40 Skynx wrote:Vendée Globe 16' Mafia [Flips] Day1: mderg, as Mafia FramerNight1: Trfel, as VTDay2: rsoultin, as Mafia GoonNight2: Mocsta, as VTDay3: Damdred, as Mafia Roleblocker
Hell yeah baby. Hell yeah
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On March 21 2018 12:14 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 11:58 Mocsta wrote:Cool story bruh, From 6 weeks ago. On February 02 2018 01:40 Skynx wrote:Vendée Globe 16' Mafia [Flips] Day1: mderg, as Mafia FramerNight1: Trfel, as VTDay2: rsoultin, as Mafia GoonNight2: Mocsta, as VTDay3: Damdred, as Mafia Roleblocker I hope you don't think that's supposed to be contrary evidence? I can confidently expect that mderg was a fuckup in that game.
LoL. Literally every mafia caught ever fucked up in some way because they were lynched or vigi shot.
What a meaningless semantics to prove your e-peen.
You might actually be Town this game because of how dull of yourself you are compared to last game. Either way you're contributing to toxicity
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So far, getting really scummy feelings from rsoultin:
- Doesn't commit to a scum read except on slam (and even says doesn't expect other people to get it).
- Is okay with voting noob not because she thinks he's scum, but because his post makes her yawn? wtf reasoning is that.
On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch.
Everything else rsoultin said came down to "tone". I don't know, I don't buy it. This rsoultin is very wishy washy and not the town-driving rsoultin I'd expect.
While I'm at it just general other reads from what little I've seen throughout the day via phone
HF - Town
Mocsta - Town
NK - Scummy
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Still kinda want an explanation from KelsierSC regarding his initial disinfo vote. Really not satisfied with how he never gave me a proper answer as to his own reasoning for voting disinfo -- and again Koshi's quoting of Disinfo is not an explained reason.
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On March 21 2018 05:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 00:32 Conversion wrote:
I read some filters.
I'll consolidate onto disform, only for the reason I have a nagging memory of someone explaining his scum play and feeling like it fits it. I'd have to meta dive for that, but that's annoying.
I don't think ykl is scum for whatever reason alakabanana slamma jamma man said. and I don't think anyone else being voted is scum. besides disform. Had a few people call out this idea and have to agree with them. We really don't need to consolidate onto dis right now if you have a good read vivax and hf called it out, yeh im not a big fan, not sure what this accomplishes. Then again conversion has come back and qualified the statement. So just have to see what he comes back with. I like rsoultin calling out slam a lot and pushing that vote. pretty good list post. nothing to write home about but still a solid list ---- Dis list post and follow up - I have specific questions which I will ask in a seperate post --- apparently I made df cry, I I will attempt to be nicer.
I disagree with what you said on rayn and rsoul. I can't blame you for being confused about my dis vote because I was tilted and shit posting. You do seem to just be parroting sentiment on noobking, have you had original thought? Still have you as scummy but i'm not building a case right now.FF has rsoultin posting a lot? It's way down on what you would expect and vivax called out rsoultin for not posting enough. I'm not liking ff tbh ---- I'd probably have a lynch pool of dis,exo,noob,slam,ff, df and moosy does sicklucker not post d1 anymore? obviously i need to narrow the list down but i'm good with that pool right now. I can't remember why i asked ticktock a question so hold on
On March 20 2018 19:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 19:36 Palmar wrote:
df's roleplaying is some of the worst I've ever seen. yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided. In terms of actual bad stuff. He liked a post that exo had made which wasn't that good. Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 08:27 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote:
Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly,
but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store.
But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players.
Scum leaning on you for this reason. Looks like this chap 'ere as a 'ead on his shoulders I can understand exo's defence of this post but I don't like the post in general. he also leaves exo off his list of town afterwards Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 12:45 darthfoley wrote:
Chester Campbell believes he dun found some good folk to confide in as he rids the streets of petty 'n big boss crime.
The likes of Vivax, Alakaslam Mocsta and Conversion seem like good blokes, eager to help the coppers
Chester is keeping a wary eye out for any bad hombres gives the impression that he doesn't really care who his town circle is and just wants to throw some names out. I'd lynch him and not just to stop the terrible RP.
So Kelscier makes some post about me and how he doesn't want to build a case on me when he's been using any reason to scum read me. Chester actually agrees with n00bking that KSC scumreading Chester Campbell is just silly and excuse for a scum read.
Also him claiming that I have no original reads is factually inaccurate and just another excuse to throw shade at Chester Campbell. I'm one of the few people who isn't okay with rsoultin (btw did I just realize your name is "our sultan?") and Rayn.
Btw we should ban Rels for a couple games until he decides to play d1 again. Tired of this shit every game
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On March 21 2018 12:49 ExO_ wrote:
Still kinda want an explanation from KelsierSC regarding his initial disinfo vote. Really not satisfied with how he never gave me a proper answer as to his own reasoning for voting disinfo -- and again Koshi's quoting of Disinfo is not an explained reason.
Thanks for reminding me of the other point on KSC.
I didn't buy his explanation either. I'm tentatively gonna say you're Town
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Also KSC writes a lot about Conversion in that earlier post just to not give a read on him and not include him in the lynch list
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On March 21 2018 12:42 ExO_ wrote:So far, getting really scummy feelings from rsoultin: - Doesn't commit to a scum read except on slam (and even says doesn't expect other people to get it). - Is okay with voting noob not because she thinks he's scum, but because his post makes her yawn? wtf reasoning is that. Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch. Everything else rsoultin said came down to "tone". I don't know, I don't buy it. This rsoultin is very wishy washy and not the town-driving rsoultin I'd expect. While I'm at it just general other reads from what little I've seen throughout the day via phone HF - Town Mocsta - Town NK - Scummy
Okay dude we're mindmelding. I read that rsoultin yawn post at 6AM and I was gonna comment on it but I completely forgot until now.
Keep going hoss
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On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.
[b]Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch[b].
Nvm this wasn't from 6AM.
Anyways the issue I had with the most is that rsoultin claims Nk isnt scum because he's SCUMMY(?) but because he makes her yawn.
But then the bolder paragraph feels like she's trying to justify her scumread on NK through the lens of him doing scummy things or being scummy... which she just said wasn't the basis of her read on NK.
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On March 21 2018 12:19 Mocsta wrote:Help me out of that comfort zone by working together! Pick your poison please: Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF
I pick almost all of them, then.
#1 - Slam
After making this post:
On March 21 2018 08:38 n00bKing wrote:
Step 1) I notice that Alakaslam doesn't feel quite the same to me as in the previous game. It seems like his posts are an attempt to artificially recreate his play from the previous game, instead of an authentic repeat of his play from the previous game.
Step 2) rsoul then makes almost the exact same observation.
Step 3) I ask rsoul if she can elaborate on the difference between his play in the two games, so that I can tell if there's any sort of real substantiation that I can investigate, or if she's stuck in the same boat I am (with nothing better to explain the difference than "feelz.") Unfortunately it sounded like she's stuck in the same boat I am.
I then asked this of rsoul:
On March 21 2018 08:44 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 04:03 rsoultin wrote:
Problem is, I don't really expect people to get my Slam read. I just think that it's probably right.
Okay...soo....if people aren't going to get your slam read, then what keeps your vote on him from being wasted? Let's say we did get additional votes on Alakaslam. Is his reaction to the added pressure likely to help you further a read on him? Or give you anything you CAN use to convince others? Or would he just post more youtube videos, regardless of alignment, and everyone shrugs and says they can't get a read on him because he's not doing anything?
Hers is the opinion on that question that I am the most interested in, partly because she's the player voting against him, but also because I think it's fair to say that she has posed herself as something of an "Alakaslam whisperer" over the past two games.
Nevertheless, I would gladly hear opinions on that from anyone. Can you expect alignment-indicative reactions when he is pressured, or do you simply have to make a decision of "lynch him or not" because all you're ever going to get is more youtube videos?
#2 - Moosy
His game-opening tactic is one I've seen him use as Town before (so I let him go ahead and do it) but as I've said, I think it hasn't yielded much of anything he can use, this time.
You can put me on the "save Moosy for later" train. Partly because he's committed at least six rules violations so far, and if he keeps doing it, he'll just get himself mod-killed. And also because I seriously doubt his ability to keep me in uncertainty about his alignment for the long-term. I disagree that he's a good N1 vig target, because he will usually respond to posts, regardless of alignment. You may sometimes get trolling, obstinance, or uncooperativeness, but you'll get answers to your questions. He'll (eventually) take positions, make and move votes, explain his motivations, etc. And when you start seeing flips, you can gain a lot of context on which team he's playing for. Can't say any of that about someone like Fecalfeast or Alakaslam (so far).
#3 - Exo vs Kelsier
I think this was a big fat nothing. While it was going on, I just kept waiting for Kelsier to realize it was mostly just a misunderstanding, and move on to something else. This doesn't guarantee it was "T vs T" but I think that's likely. Nothing in the posts from either player has really made me uneasy. Hopefully whenever raynpelikoneet returns, we'll get some thoughts on things that have happened SINCE that exchange, as it was the focus of a lot of his filter.
#4 - Darthfoley
Obviously glad to be seeing less Chester Campbell, as the game goes on. Continue to think invoking the character is on the townier side of null. The HARDCORE waffling on Exo looks like a reasonable thought progression to me, and I like that it ends up in the place I feel like it ought to. So, no interest in making DF a lynch target at this time.
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rsoultin is capable of responding herself; I just have one tidbit to add.
I get the yawn comment, but I think its being looked at in isolation to the 3rd paragraph which discusses NK first post.
Like, I feel that read is somewhat an association read with NK flipping scum
(i.e. rsoultin hesistant to throw shade on NK because hes scum-buddy... cos i cant see why a scum!rsoultin would hesitate to do it to a town!NK)
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It's like if I said
"I don't eat bananas because they're healthy, I eat them because they are yellow!"
Followed by an explanation of
"Indeed, bananas are yellow because they have lots of vitamins and minerals that will help you live a long and happy life. That's why I eat bananas. "
The explanation doesn't fit with why I stated that I eat bananas.
Expecting a town read from koshi and rayn for making a banana analogy.
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#711 n00bking
Its awesome you approached all topics; however, I find this to be a superficial summary.
Maybe thats poor interpretation by me, but i started reading with excitement, and ended reading with disappointment.
Anyways, after lunch, im going to read the exo/kelsier stuff in detail and hopefully produce something less superficial.
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Bah, don't have as much time as I would have liked after showering/getting rdy for bed.
I dislike not having any posts from Rels or Sicklucker, but I agree with Rsoul (?) that it is a bad idea to lynch them as it is kinda a waste and at best a coinflip.
I don't want to lynch (in no particular order) Holyflare + Show Spoiler +Seems invested, digging at things that catch his attn, has attitude pushing his reads, checking filters/meta, forgot about his post restriction kus he got into the game, dumbtell Agressive and involved play, have agreed with/had similar thought process honestly less sure about rayn atm (moosy thing and having a hard time recalling what he has done without double checking), but potentially strong town who gave me town vibes earlier quite active and pushing his reads, has multiple times shown eagerness to question things to get a better understanding
I probably wouldn't lynch these people (weak-leaning town), Conversion + Show Spoiler +several of his posts showed a fire in them I don't expect from mafia, I remember liking his response to early pressure potentially strong town, felt a bit off but prob just kus I disagreed with early slam read probably just have a soft spot for him kus we started playing here around the same time, but nothing has really struck me as scummy dat mind-meld, he reacted exactly the same way I did to a few of Moosy's posts
Jury is out on these folks, Alakaslam + Show Spoiler +had good vibes from him early, has dropped off. Head says he could easily be mafia, gut wants to town read him still really low impact, sorta agreed with a couple of his posts can't remember if he has posted at all recently nor much of what he did early on tbh, didn't get any scum vibes off him though and kinda just want to see more
Probably mafia in: ExO_ + Show Spoiler +Other than the interaction with KSC, haven't seen anything to change my early read Claims to be invaluable but seems to do nothing but argue Almost no read on him, but I feel like he is lacking the fire and passion I have seen from Palmar before If he has posted anything since the start of this phase it left no impact, very un-Koshi-like
Bleh, guess this became basically just a list post. Was hoping to organize my thoughts better, and I'm not super happy with where I am kus there are a ton of people I would like to filter.
I will not be doing that though as I am not tryharding this game and I will prob only have time to catchup before deadline. I'm fine with any lynch as long as it's someone if my "joury's out" or "prob mafia" list.
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On March 21 2018 13:04 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.
[b]Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch[b]. Nvm this wasn't from 6AM. Anyways the issue I had with the most is that rsoultin claims Nk isnt scum because he's SCUMMY(?) but because he makes her yawn. But then the bolder paragraph feels like she's trying to justify her scumread on NK through the lens of him doing scummy things or being scummy... which she just said wasn't the basis of her read on NK.
On March 21 2018 13:10 darthfoley wrote:
It's like if I said
"I don't eat bananas because they're healthy, I eat them because they are yellow!"
Followed by an explanation of
"Indeed, bananas are yellow because they have lots of vitamins and minerals that will help you live a long and happy life. That's why I eat bananas. "
The explanation doesn't fit with why I stated that I eat bananas.
Expecting a town read from koshi and rayn for making a banana analogy.
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On March 21 2018 12:41 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 12:14 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 11:58 Mocsta wrote:Cool story bruh, From 6 weeks ago. On February 02 2018 01:40 Skynx wrote:Vendée Globe 16' Mafia [Flips] Day1: mderg, as Mafia FramerNight1: Trfel, as VTDay2: rsoultin, as Mafia GoonNight2: Mocsta, as VTDay3: Damdred, as Mafia Roleblocker I hope you don't think that's supposed to be contrary evidence? I can confidently expect that mderg was a fuckup in that game. LoL. Literally every mafia caught ever fucked up in some way because they were lynched or vigi shot. What a meaningless semantics to prove your e-peen.
I don't think I can bring myself to believe that you genuinely can't tell the difference between what I said, and "literally every mafia caught ever fucked up in some way." A scum player who gets lynched on D1 probably fucked up big, and their lynch is probably on them, and not creditable to super-awesome town play. A scum lynch on D1 is already statistically improbable, and then made all the more unlikely by the fact that (unlike most town players) they will have teammates who know they are on the team, and will actively work to keep them out of the Noose. A red flip on D1 should never be the expectation, and no one should be overly disappointed when it doesn't come. Therefore, when Mocsta says that even if Moosy is scum, there should be enough D1 content here to still lynch someone ELSE successfully too, that is really, really weird. But I could envision the mafia trying to lull the town into a false sense of security that "everything is going cool...you don't need to ask more questions....you don't need to do more thinking....we've got all this content...things are great...everyone just sit back and relax." The motivation for a TOWN player to say it? I dunno man, you tell me. I don't see it.
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On March 21 2018 13:14 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 12:41 darthfoley wrote:On March 21 2018 12:14 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 11:58 Mocsta wrote:Cool story bruh, From 6 weeks ago. On February 02 2018 01:40 Skynx wrote:Vendée Globe 16' Mafia [Flips] Day1: mderg, as Mafia FramerNight1: Trfel, as VTDay2: rsoultin, as Mafia GoonNight2: Mocsta, as VTDay3: Damdred, as Mafia Roleblocker I hope you don't think that's supposed to be contrary evidence? I can confidently expect that mderg was a fuckup in that game. LoL. Literally every mafia caught ever fucked up in some way because they were lynched or vigi shot. What a meaningless semantics to prove your e-peen. I don't think I can bring myself to believe that you genuinely can't tell the difference between what I said, and "literally every mafia caught ever fucked up in some way." A scum player who gets lynched on D1 probably fucked up big, and their lynch is probably on them, and not creditable to super-awesome town play. A scum lynch on D1 is already statistically improbable, and then made all the more unlikely by the fact that (unlike most town players) they will have teammates who know they are on the team, and will actively work to keep them out of the Noose. A red flip on D1 should never be the expectation, and no one should be overly disappointed when it doesn't come. Therefore, when Mocsta says that even if Moosy is scum, there should be enough D1 content here to still lynch someone ELSE successfully too, that is really, really weird. But I could envision the mafia trying to lull the town into a false sense of security that "everything is going cool...you don't need to ask more questions....you don't need to do more thinking....we've got all this content...things are great...everyone just sit back and relax." The motivation for a TOWN player to say it? I dunno man, you tell me. I don't see it.
I agree that it is a weird thing to point out and one that I don't like.
IMO if you think moosy is mafia, you vote to lynch him. You don't "wait and see" if you truly believe he's mafia tbh.
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On March 21 2018 13:07 Mocsta wrote:
rsoultin is capable of responding herself; I just have one tidbit to add.
I get the yawn comment, but I think its being looked at in isolation to the 3rd paragraph which discusses NK first post.
Like, I feel that read is somewhat an association read with NK flipping scum
(i.e. rsoultin hesistant to throw shade on NK because hes scum-buddy... cos i cant see why a scum!rsoultin would hesitate to do it to a town!NK)
Scum players always have reason to hesitate to throw shade on Town players.
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On March 21 2018 13:10 darthfoley wrote:
It's like if I said
"I don't eat bananas because they're healthy, I eat them because they are yellow!"
Followed by an explanation of
"Indeed, bananas are yellow because they have lots of vitamins and minerals that will help you live a long and happy life. That's why I eat bananas. "
The explanation doesn't fit with why I stated that I eat bananas.
Expecting a town read from koshi and rayn for making a banana analogy. i had a different impression when i first that to be honest, but i dont want to give rsoultin a free out.
carry on you 2!
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