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On March 21 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 10:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 21 2018 10:29 Tictock wrote:
Almost caught up. Well still ~5 pages behind, but home now and got everything that was distracting me out of the way.
@ KSC
Right now I am fairly comfortable calling you, Rayn, Vivax, and HF town. Nothing great as to why, just level of effort, tone, and investedness from you guys makes it fairly likely you are all town. At the very least I think you are all off the table for lynch today.
I am also fairly convinced Moosy is scum. He is the read I mentioned awhile ago.
Basically Moosy's mood has done a complete 180 from his initial bit of spam, which was more in line with what I'd expect from a town!Moosy. As far as I can tell he forced his initial bit of spam to make some kind of effort, but really can't be bothered to play scum twice in a row.
His latest bouts of posts are more emo shit, and his scum list at the end of pg 28 is just OMGUS. I'd expect a town!Moosy to be happy and at least a bit trolly for having rolled Town this game, but I just see a disgruntled person reluctantly playing.
I didn't want to post this read earlier as there is clearly something going on with Moosy given his /out and somewhat reluctant re/in, but I'm betting it was just fear of rolling scum in this large of a game having just lost as scum. This post is almost correct except I enjoy playing Mafia and I hate playing VT Actually scrap that. Tictock's post is complete garbage like Mocsta's earlier post on me. Both have no idea what the point of my activity at the start of the game was and why my list is the way it is.
I remember there was a time I enjoyed playing with you...
This game I kinda want you vigged.
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On March 21 2018 11:18 Mocsta wrote:
tictock #676
its not really something important. No one accused me of not being town.
moose #673
im confused (in a pleasant way i suppose).
I thought you were saying prior that slam/n00b are town (or you will at least mirror their vote).
what you wrote indicates suspicion against both players (in particular compared to last game).
So is it fair to comment that you lynch pool is {ykl, mocsta, exo, disfo, HF, tictock} and now {slam, n00b}??
yea i was saying they're in my lynch pool
On March 21 2018 11:18 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 21 2018 09:53 Conversion wrote:
funny you mention skill because if you’re town you’re the one getting scum read, not me
but you’re scum and it’s really cute that you try to quantify skill at a forum mafia game as literally no one thinks you’re good LOL I just wanted to point out I really hate this type of post from people. Who cares Moosy, you never listen when other people tell you they hate what you do. Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 20 2018 11:32 Tictock wrote:On March 20 2018 11:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote: MoosyDoosy Stop doing this moosy. You've done it as town and as scum last game, also it is against the rules of the game. It literally means nothing and is a waste of space. ##Vote:MoosyDoosy
there's a difference between attempting to bait a reaction and just posting that way my dude.
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#682
brilliant - please join the crusade against antler collectors.
I heard n00bking on the CB whisper he was ready for deer season!
Vote n00bking for justice!
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On March 21 2018 11:23 Tictock wrote:
This game I kinda want you vigged. dumb-tell townie at your service!
as per #655 have you caught up yet?
if so, are you swapping to NK?
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On March 21 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 10:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 21 2018 10:29 Tictock wrote:
Almost caught up. Well still ~5 pages behind, but home now and got everything that was distracting me out of the way.
@ KSC
Right now I am fairly comfortable calling you, Rayn, Vivax, and HF town. Nothing great as to why, just level of effort, tone, and investedness from you guys makes it fairly likely you are all town. At the very least I think you are all off the table for lynch today.
I am also fairly convinced Moosy is scum. He is the read I mentioned awhile ago.
Basically Moosy's mood has done a complete 180 from his initial bit of spam, which was more in line with what I'd expect from a town!Moosy. As far as I can tell he forced his initial bit of spam to make some kind of effort, but really can't be bothered to play scum twice in a row.
His latest bouts of posts are more emo shit, and his scum list at the end of pg 28 is just OMGUS. I'd expect a town!Moosy to be happy and at least a bit trolly for having rolled Town this game, but I just see a disgruntled person reluctantly playing.
I didn't want to post this read earlier as there is clearly something going on with Moosy given his /out and somewhat reluctant re/in, but I'm betting it was just fear of rolling scum in this large of a game having just lost as scum. This post is almost correct except I enjoy playing Mafia and I hate playing VT Actually scrap that. Tictock's post is complete garbage like Mocsta's earlier post on me. Both have no idea what the point of my activity at the start of the game was and why my list is the way it is.
Well I knew what the point of your activity at the start of the game was, and why your list was the way it was. But your list is too large to really have much value. Even excluding myself and Slam, your lynch pool would be 6 players. There has always been at least one bad guy, in the people who react? So you're sure there's a bad guy in those 6 players? Not real handy. Unless there are 3 or fewer bad guys in the game, our odds of hitting one at random are already better than 1 in 6.
On March 21 2018 10:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Now if I WERE to employ OMGUS instead of my bait strategy it would be this:
##Unvote
##Vote: Mocsta
##Unvote
##Vote: Tictock
Saying what would happen if you went OMGUS instead doesn't require that you actually go to the voting thread and DO it. If someone were to take a vote off of disformation, then Exo would have gone into the Noose at that point. So why would you be backing off of him to demonstrate what your OMGUS votes would look like, and alleviate pressure on what HAD been your apparent target?
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Being Ignored still hurt my feelings 
W/e, I'm thinking Moosy is probably town and feel like there is a decent chance FF is as well.
What I'm now wondering is how Rayn called Moosy town so early.
Also swapping my vote to Noob.
Oh and, I'm caught up.
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On March 21 2018 11:28 Mocsta wrote:
#682
brilliant - please join the crusade against antler collectors.
I heard n00bking on the CB whisper he was ready for deer season!
Vote n00bking for justice!
oh no what a crime.
##Unvote
##Vote: n00bKing
On March 21 2018 11:23 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 21 2018 10:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 21 2018 10:29 Tictock wrote:
Almost caught up. Well still ~5 pages behind, but home now and got everything that was distracting me out of the way.
@ KSC
Right now I am fairly comfortable calling you, Rayn, Vivax, and HF town. Nothing great as to why, just level of effort, tone, and investedness from you guys makes it fairly likely you are all town. At the very least I think you are all off the table for lynch today.
I am also fairly convinced Moosy is scum. He is the read I mentioned awhile ago.
Basically Moosy's mood has done a complete 180 from his initial bit of spam, which was more in line with what I'd expect from a town!Moosy. As far as I can tell he forced his initial bit of spam to make some kind of effort, but really can't be bothered to play scum twice in a row.
His latest bouts of posts are more emo shit, and his scum list at the end of pg 28 is just OMGUS. I'd expect a town!Moosy to be happy and at least a bit trolly for having rolled Town this game, but I just see a disgruntled person reluctantly playing.
I didn't want to post this read earlier as there is clearly something going on with Moosy given his /out and somewhat reluctant re/in, but I'm betting it was just fear of rolling scum in this large of a game having just lost as scum. This post is almost correct except I enjoy playing Mafia and I hate playing VT Actually scrap that. Tictock's post is complete garbage like Mocsta's earlier post on me. Both have no idea what the point of my activity at the start of the game was and why my list is the way it is. I remember there was a time I enjoyed playing with you... This game I kinda want you vigged.
look tictock boi, I'm not going to get into a shitfight with you. Think about it. At worst I'm just a town playing my game who gives no shit about what you think which tends to be how I play town. At best I'm a mafia baiting you into getting angry in which case you shouldn't be angry.
There's no point in getting worked up over a game and I'm not going to engage you in an argument. Also I'm not going to be vigged because as I said, I'm blue and I happen to be the actual vigilante so there's no chance of me dying.
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On March 21 2018 10:35 Mocsta wrote:
I have no desire to argue with a scum read. Its pointless for the spectators.
It's hugely important for the spectators, if you actually have ANY designs on seeing me lynched. Players get lynched and not lynched based on what spectators think of the arguments between them.
On March 21 2018 10:35 Mocsta wrote:
The only comment I will make is that #652 reads like a classic scum "what have i done wrong" post.
lol, oh no no no no no. By no means did I ask "what have I done wrong?" I know there is not something I've done wrong. I instead only listed things I've done that contribute to seeing my targets receive pressure, and things I've done that contribute to an atmosphere consistent with a town victory.
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Eh I was more venting than getting angry with you Moosy.
I'm gunna take a short break then come back and look over people who I don't have a town-lean on and see if I can spot any other potential mafia.
For the record, I still think Exo could easily be scum but I'm less certain now. I also feel it is more worthwhile to lynch Noob who consistently has an opinion about what town/mafia SHOULD do, yet can't seem to do anything that tangibly helps town.
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lol. you successfully baited me.
#688
please illuminate for me what pressure ykl and disfo received that was prompted by you
spectators dont need to see you extend filter length arguing wtih me.
They want to see you produce an actual scum read based on your own observations.
i havent seen this to date,
ps. 5 players of 20 18 are now voting you.
europe is going to wake up soon, so expect that # to increase.
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On March 21 2018 11:38 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 10:35 Mocsta wrote:
I have no desire to argue with a scum read. Its pointless for the spectators. It's hugely important for the spectators, if you actually have ANY designs on seeing me lynched. Players get lynched and not lynched based on what spectators think of the arguments between them. Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 10:35 Mocsta wrote:
The only comment I will make is that #652 reads like a classic scum "what have i done wrong" post. lol, oh no no no no no. By no means did I ask "what have I done wrong?" I know there is not something I've done wrong. I instead only listed things I've done that contribute to seeing my targets receive pressure, and things I've done that contribute to an atmosphere consistent with a town victory.
Seriusly dude, what have you done besides argue with everyone and call yourself great?
I can't recall any reads from you. You whine that we don't know how many mafia there are and throw out insane numbers of potential mafia.
How are you helping create a positive atmosphere for town?
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On March 21 2018 10:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 10:47 Tictock wrote:On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
? I don't give a shit you temp scum read me (for pretty meh reasons), and I'm leaning town on you atm. Got bigger fish bro. I am surprised you agree with the notion of leaving Moosy off the lynch block today though. Not that he is my top scum read or dying to lynch him myself, but I do think he has a pretty good chance of being mafia at this point. Idk, just weird to see multiple people take this "ignore Moosy" stance. I cant speak for others, but my opinion is 2-fold. (1) Most trolling mafia dont have the balls to keep it up for an entire cycle. At some point there is a need to survive. I dont know Moosy well enough to understand if this tell applies, but, i can give benefit of the doubt for 1 cycle. (2) I am expecting between 4 and 5 mafia. Even if Moosy was mafia, i think there is enough content this Day1 to have a successful lynch outside moosy.
Your 2nd point is seriously ludicrous. Even if Moosy was Mafia, you think there's enough content in Day ONE to have a successful lynch on someone else? Why would a town player ever believe this? The odds of a successful Day 1 lynch are ALWAYS LOW. And any time a scum player is lynched on Day 1, it's always going to be their own fault, and not the result of some widespread super-sleuthing from the town players. Remember that time when a scum player was lynched on Day 1, not because they did something wrong, but because the town at large just played and cooperated so well together that the odds of a successful lynch actually tilted in their favor? No, neither does anyone else. In the history of ever.
Even if a town player had this kind of confidence (which they should not), they still should not speak of it. But certainly a mafia player would have reason to speak of it. It will decelerate discussion, and keep players from thinking for themselves.
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On March 21 2018 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Noobking goes from setup to picking at what other people are saying which is exactly what he did when I was scum with him last game.
Right. So how is that supposed to be alignment-indicative? I started out the last game exactly like this one. And in that game, there was no reason to start out doing anything but playing precisely as I would play, if Town. And I was almost universally townread on Day 1. So...yeahhhh
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Cool story bruh,
From 6 weeks ago.
On February 02 2018 01:40 Skynx wrote:Vendée Globe 16' Mafia [Flips] Day1: mderg, as Mafia FramerNight1: Trfel, as VTDay2: rsoultin, as Mafia GoonNight2: Mocsta, as VTDay3: Damdred, as Mafia Roleblocker
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On March 21 2018 11:08 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 07:59 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2018 07:54 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 19:51 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 19:36 Palmar wrote:
df's roleplaying is some of the worst I've ever seen. yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided. Don't really agree, personally. How does the persona help him hide, if how annoying it is becomes a topic of conversation? I also haven't known scum players to normally be bored enough that they have to do anything like inventing a persona, in order to keep themselves entertained. Drawing a scum role should never be boring, it's pulling a town role that's boring. (I believe someone already said early in this thread that they pulled a town role and it's boring.) I haven't seen many people invent a role like this for themselves, but when they have, they've been town (and then they've been asked to cut it out, much like what's been happening to darthfoley here.) So while we mostly agree that it doesn't point too strongly in either direction, if *I* had to pick I would say it is more of a town indicator. This monologue is pointless - as both of you are debating YOUR values on how to play the game. Not what Darthfoley is actually doing with the roleplay. What is that even supposed to mean? He's not doing anything with the roleplay. Roleplay doesn't DO anything. The discussion is of whether the use of roleplay is scum-indicative or town-indicative. Kelsier thought scum would be more likely to "hide" by making a persona. I asked how the persona is supposed to help him hide, when I think the opposite is actually true, and that it draws attention. And when I say that it's something I've seen from Town but not from Scum, that has nothing to do with my "values on how to play the game." It's just real-world, lived experience. Lol, you literally answered your own question, ya know? Show nested quote +Scum: I'm gunna do weird shit, kus only town does weird shit!
Noobking: Wow, look at that townie, doing weird shit...
Scum: Success!
You are not using the same argument as Kelsier at all. He is saying that it would be natural for scum to *want* to behave that way. Not that they might do it for WIFOM purposes that basically amount to "everyone who has done this was town, so I'll do it as scum...and everyone will think I'm town!" And I disagree that it is natural for scum to *want* to behave that way.
And using the WIFOM approach you mention would be needlessly dangerous, unless DF expects he's GOING to quickly be scumread. If he doesn't think he's GOING to quickly be scumread by multiple players, then there's no need to employ the dangerous WIFOM tactic in the hopes of it earning him townleans. There's a REASON why scum players hadn't done it before. When scum players have consistently avoided doing something, then the benefit of "people wouldn't expect a scum player to do this" has to carefully be weighed against WHY scum players aren't expected to do it. I think the trade-off is bad. I think most scum players would realize the trade-off is bad. And hence, I think it is mildly town-indicative behavior.
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On March 21 2018 11:18 Mocsta wrote:
tictock #676
its not really something important. No one accused me of not being town.
moose #673
im confused (in a pleasant way i suppose).
I thought you were saying prior that slam/n00b are town (or you will at least mirror their vote).
what you wrote indicates suspicion against both players (in particular compared to last game).
If you couldn't already tell that by "sheeping us" he meant sheeping votes against us, and not sheeping our cases against other players, then you CERTAINLY should have been able to tell that from the discussion that followed.
When you put a restriction on how many posts you could make, did you also put a restriction on how many posts you would READ?
Also, using Post #'s instead of simply quoting the post is super-annoying. If you're Town, could you stop doing that? There's a reason everyone does it the other way.
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On March 21 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
please illuminate for me what pressure ykl and disfo received that was prompted by you
lol, nearly ALL of the pressure ykl received was prompted by me. It is not my fault that he was protected by two other players, and then LEFT. The game structure only allows for me to generate so much pressure on another player, you know? I've done what I can, and it's a lot more than the many players who are neither driving discussion nor commenting on discussion nor even VOTING.
On March 21 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
ps. 5 players of 20 18 are now voting you.
europe is going to wake up soon, so expect that # to increase.
Oh, I do NOT expect that number to increase. Not if those players are competent. I am always a terrible early lynch candidate, which is why I've only been lynched Day 1 ONE time. Ever. And no, I wasn't scum. And no, the town did not manage to win without me.
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On March 21 2018 11:58 Mocsta wrote:Cool story bruh, From 6 weeks ago. Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 01:40 Skynx wrote:Vendée Globe 16' Mafia [Flips] Day1: mderg, as Mafia FramerNight1: Trfel, as VTDay2: rsoultin, as Mafia GoonNight2: Mocsta, as VTDay3: Damdred, as Mafia Roleblocker
I hope you don't think that's supposed to be contrary evidence? I can confidently expect that mderg was a fuckup in that game.
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NK
Your ykl assessment is misconstrued; however, you did prompt me to consider that I have been lying to myself.
I have been accessing the comfort of the now, instead of doing the big boy work towards the resolution of the big topics being floated around.
Help me out of that comfort zone by working together!
Pick your poison please:
On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF
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I've just now gotten home -- but I'm tired. I'll be awake in roughly ~7 hours and will devote the first couple of hours of my morning to mafia.
Gonna quickly browse over for 15-30 minutes but then i'm off to bed.
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