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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:58 rsoultin wrote: I'm interested in what the flips told you. How that potentially changed your view of the game. Yep, processing. Will come back to this. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count n00bking [7]: Palmar, Mocsta, Koshi, Tictock [3]: MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, n00bking rsoultin[0]: Mocsta [0]: Not Voting [5]: Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, KelsierSC, ykl, Coagulation n00bking is currently the lynch. The deadline is Saturday, Mar 24 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in . If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 24 2018 18:13 n00bKing wrote: Other things I haven't cared for, from Palmar... This is him, at the end of one of his Town games: Comparatively less sure of what to do, in this game, when disformation claimed a blue role under duress: Given that Palmar's OWN vote was on disformation when he makes the claim (and given that he says this particular claim would be especially bad/selfish if it came from town *instead* of mafia), you might think he would be especially adamant about punching through the claim and lynching him anyway. Was obviously not the case here. Guessing at the mafia motivation for the change of heart might be sketchy. I don't know if there's something deeper than just "you don't want to be the guy who strongarms everyone into lynching a player you know would flip blue." And THIS role is one that is almost completely harmless for scum to go ahead and leave alive. Don't need to break your back getting a revealed Veteran lynched, when it can no longer hurt you at Night (and especially if the other leading wagons are town). Yeah, the more I consider this, the more the scum thought process crystallizes. The revealed Vet is a complete non-threat, so instead of pushing hard to lynch the blue claim (as he normally would) he can just half-ass the argument (as shown above in the second quote), and leave his vote there (for the sake of at least a *little* bit of consistency with the position he espoused in the first quote, should he get called out on this) but the half-assed argument won't actually move anyone to lynch the blue claim (as it didn't) and so you let someone else get pushed into the Noose instead, hope that maybe another blue role gets revealed, and all without any real risk that one of the mafia ends up in the Noose, because the other leading wagons from the day (like myself, Rels, mocsta, Conversion) had all been Town. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 24 2018 20:38 Mocsta wrote: Conversion is town??? Interesting We'll know tonight, but probably -_- I'm not going to do him the same discourtesy others did me by assuming he has no emotions when he plays scum. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On March 24 2018 05:44 Coagulation wrote: yall played pubg mobile yet? That shit is fire! Think a co-worker plays pubg mobile. my phone is stone age, so no dice. though I am planning to get a new one. On March 24 2018 05:50 rsoultin wrote: [...] Very Likely Town disformation - level of involvedness [...] *squints* maybe I need to be careful to not get buddied. maybe a good idea to look at the filter after all.  On March 24 2018 07:48 n00bKing wrote: Not really what a cop is for. We'd find out whether or not there was a "super good reason to lynch with fire" if he was nailed to the wall and forced to participate, as he would be in games at other sites. Instead we have 7 players who aren't even voting, and of the players who are posting things, some still do not respond to direct questions. Moosy is a great example of this. Makes a bunch of disjointed "If X, then Y" posts (each one different than the last) that all appear to have no basis. And if you ask him for the basis...no answer. Yet some people somehow find the nerve to count him as someone "trying to solve the game." I can't even. What makes not voting riskier for scum than for anyone else? [...] @cop: dunno I think cop checks into unreadable question marks are decent? but don't listen to me I'm obv not the best blue player. @not voting: usually you get (or can get) modkilled for not voting twice in a row, so in my mind scum at least wants to put down a random vote, since risking the danger of actually getting modkilled later in the game would be super shit for/towards their teammates. yeah it is not 100% especially with more erratic players (think moosy forgot to submit nightactions once e.g.). but imo it is more usually likely to come from super pissed off town. you seem to have made different experiences, so I guess I can understand your pov on this. On March 24 2018 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Regarding this i actually have one thing to say. darthfoley, since i have completely forgotten what i think your alignment is do you remember who was the guy who said one or both of us have to be mafia? Basically he called the argument between us "forced" but couldn't tell if we are both mafia (which is always the case if an argument is forced). But then he added the "if not both at least one" which is completely bs since if a townie and mafia are arguing and you cannot tell which one of those is mafia then it is equally likely the argument is TvS than that it is TvT. 2nd person to say something like this about df. df is creepy. like he can erase himself from ppls memory. might be a funny idea for some themed game. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:54 n00bKing wrote: ...as rayn and I have said, there is no reason for a town player to make that post. As I've said, I can, however, imagine a reason for a scum player to make that post. And again, his defense of the post has been even worse than the post was. Check my "Yikes" post. Geez, we are still on this. I think I slightly misunderstood why you guys found this scummy but my response is the same. I responded to the flips they same way that I do do to any post I feel like responding too. If you are so sure this makes me scum you should prob be casing me. This cannot possibly be the most alignment indicative thing you can find on me though. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On March 24 2018 12:19 Tictock wrote: Yea just glancing through a bit of KSC's filter. Pretty big change in stance on Mocsta, with not many posts happening between. And Conversion too? Honestly all I read here was pg 5 of KSC's filter and I feel like the dude never gave a shit about how EoD went. Only consistent scumread is DF, but mostly what he was doing was just shouting at everyone and calling them bad, while flip slopping his own reads all over the place. Solid lynch right here. hmmm... at least in the moment it felt like he was caring to me. the 3 wagons competing thing, can very well be a consolidating thing. the mocsta kinda flip flop is strange indeed. though I guess that could be read as voting mocsta despite thinking town, cause that would mean conv is scum from a vca point? still not great though. tbh not sure what to think of ksc atm, since he hasn't posted at all in 2 days. despite being fairly town d1. probably should drop him to like null territory. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On March 24 2018 08:21 Tictock wrote: Why on earth would this make you want to filter Rsoul? dunno. multiple ppl have said that she is like meh or underwhelming so I want to check if I can see what they can see. | ||
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disformation
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disformation
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why do you say ticktock would be an excellent lynch, besides the nk post thingie? sry if I should have missed, feel free to quote the right post in that case | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On March 24 2018 18:13 n00bKing wrote: Other things I haven't cared for, from Palmar... This is him, at the end of one of his Town games: Comparatively less sure of what to do, in this game, when disformation claimed a blue role under duress: Given that Palmar's OWN vote was on disformation when he makes the claim (and given that he says this particular claim would be especially bad/selfish if it came from town *instead* of mafia), you might think he would be especially adamant about punching through the claim and lynching him anyway. Was obviously not the case here. Guessing at the mafia motivation for the change of heart might be sketchy. I don't know if there's something deeper than just "you don't want to be the guy who strongarms everyone into lynching a player you know would flip blue." And THIS role is one that is almost completely harmless for scum to go ahead and leave alive. Don't need to break your back getting a revealed Veteran lynched, when it can no longer hurt you at Night (and especially if the other leading wagons are town). Yeah you're just mafia. Why didn't you quote my entire post: On May 02 2016 19:31 Palmar wrote: I am sorry that I didn't kick and scream to lynch superbia day 1. If a person claims blue to save himself ALWAYS, ALWAYS lynch him. It is always the right play. Notice how I'm apologizing for doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing this game. I wasn't adamant about killing the blue claim that game, and I wasn't this game either. In fact, that game I eventually changed my vote away from Superbia I think. But I'm not here to argue with you, just pointing out to the rest of everyone that you intentionally cut out half of my post and the context of that game, the very stuff that completely negates your accusation. This isn't a mistake, because you dug up some random game from two years ago. You don't randomly find a very specific post by me talking about this stuff, and then accidentally forget to quote half of the post. I need to run, have a wedding. Don't change this guys, noobking is mafia every time. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
I do have a better feeling about it this game though. I don't really think disfo is mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43226 Posts
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disformation
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Anyway, the context of that game had Superbia claiming 'blue' right before EoD. + Show Spoiler + On April 17 2016 06:58 Palmar wrote: makes me want to stay on you. you're a doc or a vig, either way you will be fucking murdered tonight. On April 17 2016 06:58 Palmar wrote: ok whatever claim tomorrow. I'm off for tonight and probably most if not all tomorrow gl These posts all happened within 1-2 minutes of each other. Not sure why NK choose to leave part of your post out, but I don't think it's misrepping anything regardless. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43226 Posts
The problem i have with that line of thought is the following: We can probably agree Palmar isn't completely unaware of what happens in the game, especially close to the lynch D1. If Palmar is mafia there is actually zero benefit for him to downplay his accusation on disformation after the claim because: 1) thread sentiment suggest not lynching disformation anymore 2) he can use that as a cover up into eternity for not doing anything other than saying "lynch disformation" Therefore i came to conclusion that this: My gut says that veteran is both a stupid and weird claim for mafia to make. It's also one of those types of claims that bad townies feel really comfortable revealing, because they don't understand the role of a veteran in the game. Thus if I was forced to bet, I'd bet town on disfo. ...line of thought has to be legit thought process and the only explanation for "breaking character" is this. There is literally zero reason for Palmar to break character here regardless of disformation's alignment since not doing so ONLY helps his mafia play because it's correct (1) metawise, (2) noone can blame him fro that, (3) it gives him an excuse to not do anything. If disformation is mafia, the seed of bussing would have been implemented already before the claim so it makes no sense for him to not continue that. If disformation is town, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason Palmar should "lay off" him like he did. Here is an example of Palmar breaking character as mafia. One big game there was we had a similar type of situation where Vivax claimed a role D1 when being lynched. Palmar is known for his "lynch claimers" policy, although he is a bit of a hypocrite in that tbh, lots of words why it's the best play, always do the opposing thing.... I, in that game, kept my vote on Vivax and tried to get him lynched because i didn't think the claim means anything. Palmar comes in -> says he reads me town -> says he will sheep me -> votes for the counter-wagon Rels. That is how Palmar breaks character as mafia, doing something completely illogical that fucks him up immediately + Show Spoiler + (except that it doesn't since none of the plebs were able to lynch him in that game while me and Artanis shouted all N1 "Palmar is mafia" and got both killed N1) TLDR; There is zero reason for Palmar to break character he is very well aware of regardless of disformation's alignment. Another thing is the coag townie seal that noobking talked about. I can't understand how he can come to a conclusion that "if Palmar is mafia he is lying" because i think that's a completely unnatural thought. There are more players in the game who know coag than Palmar, and the reason why noone is "contesting" the townie seal "case" is because well.. that's how it is. I can't figure out where the line of "if Palmar is mafia then he can be lying" comes from because that's not an option for him as mafia regardless of coag's alignment. I am not sure why noobking throws all these things into trash and just follows one line of thought (which is definitely less likely than this). This is not even any sort of meta thing, this is just "why would town/mafia do this and how likely" which is what he loves all that much (like i do). | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
So if I'm in and out a lot today, that's why. | ||
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