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On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am) I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game. I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, No I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. No you didn’t, that’s the point. Surely there is No way I am actually a crouching tiger, hidden badass (You’ve probably never heard of the trope, heck I’m not sure you’ll know what tropes are at all) you’re just so excellent that your passivity wins games as town. Oh god, to see you active!
it’s like you don’t know that everyone is inherently biased and therefore don’t even question whether or not your own pride is biasing your take on things. This is why this was so infuriating to me. HF doesn't seem to know anything about m Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah." I note that most people consider him banal, but articulate, while you are considered Pedantic and, well, unsubstantiated. George Bush vs. Al Gore, anyone? Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, which is simply them mistaking your pedantry GOD I FEEL LIKE CUMBERBATCH. You know it’s not really fun sometimes knowing better. Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, I’ve been watching Sherlock that was lame but may as well give context on my own raving after all his "classic scum m8" crap better than you eating your own crap all the time. For the love of God get over yourself. from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, SURE IT WAS ALL YOUR PROWESS NOTHING FROM ME WONDERING WHETHER SUCH APPARENT OBVIOUSNESS COULD BE MY OWN EGO GIVING ME TUNNEL VISION. ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING I FOUND OUT I WAS WRONG ABOUT HF; MAAAAAYBE COULD I BE WRONG ABOUT YOU? Still am considering that! Maybe all I did was teach you how to have an active voice! (Do you even Microsoft word? It’s editing tool used the exact same terminology.and even had him voting against MY lynch target Respect to Holyflare. He has earned my fear., eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause. if you still fail to respect me and puff yourself up every game (just one or the other is acceptable) after this, I will push to policy lynch you in future games. Elephantality (I won’t expose his SB name to you) has spoken of this as a cancer, and if you’re one of those then, however articulate you may be, I’ll meta lynch you back to your brothers like they did me.However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D har har ain’t we smarmy. Wouldn’t it have been great if HF and I had lynched you earlier last game? You’re well on your way to my own reputation here minus my Kawaii. People are already not taking you very seriously. I’d like to see you compare cred with Palmar for one. Marvellosity is another. Leviathan is another.
... watch you be leviathan. But if so? Where is the grace, the willingness to point out things WHILE UTILIZING THEM? Leading the town to getting better, while actually leading the town whether they listen to you or not? I really hope you aren’t Levi.(In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. this looks great for me. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)
This got my blood up so badly again I had to rewrite it twice.
Hot damn.
Anyway, that’s why my replies are in red and why I ragequit earlier. Usually I can hack it but not when I’m under pressure at work where I’m a live-in.
Oh and mistaking your pedantry for your alignment tells via meta. We use too much meta here.
I’ll keep filtering tomorrow. Did not want to be up this late.
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On March 24 2018 16:15 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 11:53 Alakaslam wrote:On March 24 2018 08:54 n00bKing wrote:On March 24 2018 08:39 Mocsta wrote:On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this
But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion? More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion? Who cares Mafia might quit irl to team mates But i cant see mafia ever rage quitting Instead its a concede or stop posting Rage quit is how ya stop posting. You haven't seen mafia rage quit before??? I've seen mafia employ this tactic more than once in the same GAME, before. Of course, it's a fake rage quit, so they come back. Know anyone who said they were bailing on this game or "weren't going to play Day 2" but then came back? On March 24 2018 08:39 Mocsta wrote:
Slam and ryan arent lynch candidates today lol, and why is that? Yes, yes I see how it looks like Blazinghand going to dinner. But things do happen in IRL. I’m surprised someone like you sees that as alignment indicative. Plus, you can look at why someone quits. How does my quit benefit me as a member of the mafia? Since there is no benefit whatsoever (it certainly didn’t help my goals- I simply proved my unreliability) it is NAI. The benefit is that you give yourself cover for not taking positions, not voting, and not even posting. And as I said before, it sets the stage for you to continue to be allowed to get away with not doing much, for fear that if we pressure you, you will take your ball and go home, and we will potentially lose whatever value you could have contributed, if we were simply "nicer."
Wow you see me that lowly.
Nice.
I’ll shred you tomorrow.
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On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.
Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town?
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On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town?
Correct. But his recent defense of the post has been significantly worse than the post originally was, imo.
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Dammit.
I recognize the only reason I am so peeved by your arrogance is because of the extent of my own.
But man you can’t get anywhere in this game humbly. I recognize that now.
But there comes that point where you are being blinded by it, that’s just more than I like to see, idk.
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I’m not going to be an unwarranted ass, and I apologize for the above.
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On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town?
I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk?
+ Show Spoiler +@slam I thought that the red comments were part of nk's post that you highlighted at first and was so confused rofl ><
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On March 24 2018 16:40 Alakaslam wrote:
I’m not going to be an unwarranted ass, and I apologize for the above.
Cool. If you're Town, and something I said made you feel disrespected in some way, I apologize as well.
Who you wanna lynch?
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On March 24 2018 16:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town? I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk?
Yes.
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On March 24 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 16:40 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town? I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk? Yes.
Tt's explanation for it lines up for me? I'm terms of teaching differently to the hf/viva kills. I guess it's a bit purposeless in the sense that he's just speculating about kp and saying he needs to check things, I'm just not sure what's supposed to be so scummy about it?
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On March 24 2018 16:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 24 2018 16:40 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town? I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk? Yes. Tt's explanation for it lines up for me? I'm terms of teaching differently to the hf/viva kills. I guess it's a bit purposeless in the sense that he's just speculating about kp and saying he needs to check things, I'm just not sure what's supposed to be so scummy about it?
...as rayn and I have said, there is no reason for a town player to make that post. As I've said, I can, however, imagine a reason for a scum player to make that post.
And again, his defense of the post has been even worse than the post was. Check my "Yikes" post.
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I've seen slam get pissed off as town. Hf apparently has when he's scum. His catchup prior to that struck me as towny.
Coag I've hardly played with, but palmar is probably right. Remember some town seal thing vaguely.
Believe those were your meta questions without reopening filters because that's a pain in the ads in phone.
You think d1 is a crap shoot. So I speculate this means you like flips. Night actions. Solid evidence. Is that right?
Maybe I missed it, but you seemed to go straight to afkers after three flips. Tt excluded but I have to check the context on that.
I'm interested in what the flips told you. How that potentially changed your view of the game. Please quote posts I missed. If it's all stuff you haven't written about yet, i would still like to hear it.
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On March 24 2018 16:54 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 16:49 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 24 2018 16:40 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town? I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk? Yes. Tt's explanation for it lines up for me? I'm terms of teaching differently to the hf/viva kills. I guess it's a bit purposeless in the sense that he's just speculating about kp and saying he needs to check things, I'm just not sure what's supposed to be so scummy about it? ...as rayn and I have said, there is no reason for a town player to make that post. As I've said, I can, however, imagine a reason for a scum player to make that post. And again, his defense of the post has been even worse than the post was. Check my "Yikes" post.
I saw but I disagree? I don't find it particularly strange to want to see the flips and then to post about them, even not caught up.
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Hf's point on tt in his farewell post is the one I think may have merit and am noting that here so I don't forget to poke into it. The one about defending mocsta.
I'm trying to understand what makes comment it on flips scummy. I may still disagree but obviously we're not seeing eye to eye
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On March 24 2018 16:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Dammit.
I recognize the only reason I am so peeved by your arrogance is because of the extent of my own.
But man you can’t get anywhere in this game humbly. I recognize that now.
But there comes that point where you are being blinded by it, that’s just more than I like to see, idk.
-pokes- you seem to have a pretty good handle on noob. I'm not clear on your posts...do you think he's scum this game? It seems like maybe you don't.
You were talking about how they played on the other site and scum basically playing chicken shit. What bugs me most about noob is his focus on afkers to the exclusion of everything but his counterwagon this phase. Am I wrong to be bugged by that? I.e. is that just how he's been taught to scumhunt on the other site because scum there are chicken shit?
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My devil's advocate says he's not chicken shit scum so he should know better.
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On March 24 2018 17:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 16:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Dammit.
I recognize the only reason I am so peeved by your arrogance is because of the extent of my own.
But man you can’t get anywhere in this game humbly. I recognize that now.
But there comes that point where you are being blinded by it, that’s just more than I like to see, idk. -pokes- you seem to have a pretty good handle on noob. I'm not clear on your posts...do you think he's scum this game? It seems like maybe you don't. You were talking about how they played on the other site and scum basically playing chicken shit. What bugs me most about noob is his focus on afkers to the exclusion of everything but his counterwagon this phase. Am I wrong to be bugged by that? I.e. is that just how he's been taught to scumhunt on the other site because scum there are chicken shit?
I have 2 quick comments on this, but I'll let him answer first. Remind me, if needed.
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On March 24 2018 17:28 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 17:21 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 16:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Dammit.
I recognize the only reason I am so peeved by your arrogance is because of the extent of my own.
But man you can’t get anywhere in this game humbly. I recognize that now.
But there comes that point where you are being blinded by it, that’s just more than I like to see, idk. -pokes- you seem to have a pretty good handle on noob. I'm not clear on your posts...do you think he's scum this game? It seems like maybe you don't. You were talking about how they played on the other site and scum basically playing chicken shit. What bugs me most about noob is his focus on afkers to the exclusion of everything but his counterwagon this phase. Am I wrong to be bugged by that? I.e. is that just how he's been taught to scumhunt on the other site because scum there are chicken shit? I have 2 quick comments on this, but I'll let him answer first. Remind me, if needed.
Will do.
Gonna be away for a few hours but then I'll be at pc. Would still like answers to my questions to you.
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Some meta analysis...
Alakaslam - I went and looked at games where he was lynched as mafia and games where he was mislynched as town, to see if the berserker rage quit from this game appeared to be alignment-indicative or not. Being mislynched does not normally seem to rile him up, not even in the early game. And remember, these aren't just games where ONE person is voting against him, as rsoul was in this game, or ONE person is giving him a hard time about something. These are the games where he was actually mislynched. And still that fury doesn't surface. In games where he is lynched as scum, that fury still does not *normally* surface. He seems a little more prone to anger when lynched as scum, but there certainly are games where it just...doesn't happen. He's claiming "real life factors" and that could certainly alter someone's personality enough to explain the blowup. And if those factors were in play by the time the game began, it could also alter someone's personality enough to explain why he did not "feel" the same to rsoul and myself, as his last game (as stress hormones can affect brain physiology).
Result: Taking his ball and going home was a scum indicator. But a relatively mild one.
Coagulation - If darthfoley enjoyed my use of all caps, he would love Coagulation. He can sometimes go several posts in a row without there being any words that are *not* in all caps. Coag can be an angry dude himself. He can call you a motherfucker as either alignment, but if he gives you the finger and calls you a faggot...he's probably town. Coag's town games sometimes involve him following a "theme" throughout the game. eg, many of his posts include a music video link. Or many of his posts include drawings with dragons in them. In the scum games I looked at, this seemed to be absent. He just posted...like he has in this game. While Town, Coag indeed *does* usually play, to some extent. Around the activity level of a FecalFeast, or maybe a little higher. He does not seem to have as much interest in playing his scum games. Post count/filter length runs more than TWICE as high when he is Town. Whereas I saw a scum game where he wasn't eliminated until the 3rd cycle, but still was on his first page of filter.
Result: We are VERY conclusively seeing Coag's scum game, as opposed to his town game, for more than one reason. And the *solitary* counterpoint would be his use of the Town Seal. However, his use of the Town Seal appears to be significant a/f. I would not advocate for Coag's lynch on Day 2, and might never advocate for his lynch unless or until Palmar has flipped scum (as Palmar, who has told us he can't be bothered to read more than 20-30% of the thread, and has also told us that he does NOT meta people, somehow mustered the energy to go dig up details on Coag's Town Seal)
Palmar - Confidence and attitude are through the roof in his scum games, as compared with his town games, where he is more likely to waffle on his reads, or outright sheep other votes. A very "take charge" tone in his scum games, fitting well with telling everyone that I quite simply WOULD be the lynch today, even though there were zero votes on me at the time (and had not been any votes cast against me that had since been removed, either).
Result: Had no idea what it meant when Holyflare said that Palmar appeared to be "playing his mafia meta" so far. I may understand what he meant, now.
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Other things I haven't cared for, from Palmar...
This is him, at the end of one of his Town games:
On May 02 2016 19:31 Palmar wrote:
If a person claims blue to save himself ALWAYS, ALWAYS lynch him. It is always the right play.
Comparatively less sure of what to do, in this game, when disformation claimed a blue role under duress:
On March 22 2018 06:04 Palmar wrote:
I hate day 1 claimers.
Because not every host is a bastard host like I am it's like 90% chance that disfo is actually just veteran. The problem is that it's a completely pointless claim. It ONLY helps mafia for him to make that claim, because they can avoid shooting him forever. It's the most selfish claim you can make as town.
Like the technically correct play here is to lynch disfo for being shit and dealing with it. Because he made the technically wrong play to claim in the first place.
idk
Given that Palmar's OWN vote was on disformation when he makes the claim (and given that he says this particular claim would be especially bad/selfish if it came from town *instead* of mafia), you might think he would be especially adamant about punching through the claim and lynching him anyway. Was obviously not the case here. Guessing at the mafia motivation for the change of heart might be sketchy. I don't know if there's something deeper than just "you don't want to be the guy who strongarms everyone into lynching a player you know would flip blue." And THIS role is one that is almost completely harmless for scum to go ahead and leave alive. Don't need to break your back getting a revealed Veteran lynched, when it can no longer hurt you at Night (and especially if the other leading wagons are town).
Next, he very much disliked this post:
On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care. *thumbs up*
When mocsta abandons his "post count" thing, he knows people are going to notice the change in his play, but he goes ahead and makes the change anyway. I think this is slighty town-indicative. As mafia, he might feel more pressure to stick to doing what he said he would do, SINCE he knows people will notice it when he stops. As town, he might be more prone to just say "this is a pain in my ass, screw it." The contradiction I noted from Palmar, however, is NOT one people would notice as readily. No longer town indicative, in my opinion. Maybe just null, depending on how he reacts. I thought Town might just laugh it off as a joke. "Haha, you got me there!" and move on. Instead he took it pretty personally, which made me feel like he was caught flat-footed, not expecting to have it pointed out.
In Post #1683, I noted his hypocrisy, with regard to how I shouldn't say anything about what his post *might* mean, without knowing him and his meta, while simultaneously acting like he knows exactly what my post *does* mean...without him knowing me or my meta. He might have felt compelled to answer for this, and did so within minutes. But seemed to have no better defense than: "My rules are for other people, not myself."
Wouldn't mind considering a Palmar lynch. But Tictock and ykl still look like reasonable targets to me as well.
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