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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 24 2018 02:10 GMT
#2341
Well did you cjeck who Vivax thought was scum?
idk. i am gonna answer that tomorrow because now i need to sleep.
table for two on a tv tray
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 24 2018 02:16 GMT
#2342
I can sheep a vote on noobking. But I'd prefer to carry out HF's last will and kill Tictock.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
March 24 2018 02:27 GMT
#2343
Tixtock rayn looks tvt as well

Like both trying so hard
Real emotion
And using it to outwit each other

Good shit
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
March 24 2018 02:28 GMT
#2344
On March 24 2018 11:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I can sheep a vote on noobking. But I'd prefer to carry out HF's last will and kill Tictock.

Fair call

But i think killing n00b will help the game more than tictock

Like n00b is actually making me skim pages out of boredom
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 24 2018 02:32 GMT
#2345
On March 24 2018 11:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I can sheep a vote on noobking. But I'd prefer to carry out HF's last will and kill Tictock.


So you have no useful insight about NK here? Just I could lynch him or me?

@ Rayn

No, I have not. It should be pretty obviuse that I've spent most of my time this game just trying to get caught up as I am not sacrificing my RL for this game. I learned my lesson doing that a couple times last year.

This is why I find it so laughable that Noob suggests I am just pretending to catch-up when I've very clearly not read large chunks of this game.

I've seen his last will post quoted where he was apparently scum reading you, but that had no impact on my own sus on you. Really I think I started to wonder "why vivax over rayn" since HF getting killed indicates scum was not medic dodging, then recalled the Moosy thing, and that's what led me to check why you voted rels.
I can take that responsibility.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 02:41 GMT
#2346
On March 24 2018 06:19 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 04:53 Alakaslam wrote:
I work in 7. Cyall later


Who's your favorite smasher?

Ness- but used to be Peach.

For Project M, I play Zero Suit Samus or Ness.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 02:44 GMT
#2347
On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this

But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake

More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion?
More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion?

-_-

Bad basis to read anyway.

Rayn is always mad.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 02:48 GMT
#2348
On March 24 2018 08:38 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 05:03 Tictock wrote:
On March 23 2018 19:18 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2018 20:27 Palmar wrote:
So here's the argument as I understood it (I'm ignoring some early parts):

1) Exo claims hf is "not blue"
2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read)
3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant)

This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf:

On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
[red]Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read.


In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else?

what am I missing?


Ticktock says makes exo mafia for irrelevant post. I agreed with ticktock.

Noobking says it doesn't make him mafia, in fact it makes him more likely TOWN because "it doesn't help mafia to post like that".

I disagree with his premise that it makes exo town. I still agree with ticktock that it makes exo more likely mafia. It's an irrelevant post that has no real reason to post it for. It looks like he's scum hunting by posting a read but it's not actually a read.

[red]Then noobking argues with me that it doesn't try and look like scum hunting instead of anything to do with exo's motivation for posting in the first place. Drawn down to semantics.
Perhaps not semantics.. rather, TMI

Rather...perhaps I was just RIGHT? And Holyflare was WRONG. And Tictock was either wrong or scum. Yeah...that makes for an extremely simple explanation of things, in place of "TMI."

But hey, if you want to claim "TMI" for my townread and defense of Exo, then you don't need to stop there. Keep digging in my filter, and I promise you'll find moooorrrre of it, because Exo was one of my Top 2 townreads in the whole friggin' game.

If the original town indicator wasn't enough for others, I have no idea why they still wouldn't decide he was Town after the most convincing continuous string of dumbtown posts I may ever have seen. Page after page, he had me chuckling through a facepalm, and eventually rsoul got so fed up with him that she (while saying she didn't think he was scum) made a post that essentially read like "I don't want to tell you that you're an idiot who can't read....BUT...."

I felt a little bit bad for her, but mostly I felt bad for Vivax, if Vivax was scum, and Exo was the guy he was going to try and push, that day. Because Exo's posting I felt made him a million percent lynchproof. It would have been doubly bad for scum Vivax because multiple players were saying that Exo and Kelsier (the other guy Vivax was pushing) appeared to be the same alignment. Such that Exo accidentally tripping and falling into a vat of neon green paint was going to render Vivax's other target lynchproof as well. Alas, Vivax was Town, so all this potential hilarity was for naught.

Anyway, you acted bummed that your top townread (Vivax) was killed last night. I'm pretty much in that same boat...thanks to YOU. So if you're a Town vigilante, then you're one in the hole, with that shot. Try not to get yourself two in the hole by contributing to my mislynch today. How can I help you keep from doing that?

Could you try and spew this sort of self-righteous word vomit outside the thread please?

Literally 3 paragraphs of “told ya so” that added nothing to the game.

Wrong. It's important to the game because it explains me continually treating Exo as Town (both throughout Day 1 and Night 1) without it meaning I have "TMI." The rationale behind me thinking that early post was town-indicative is relevant. How his exchange with rsoul made me upgrade him to even townier status is also relevant. It explains why during Night 1, I would encourage him to battle through his disappointment over the D1 mislynch, understand that we're expected to mislynch on D1, and keep working at the game. And why I chose him specifically to ask what he thought a town Vigilante should do, if there was one. I trusted HIM to provide an untainted, Town-motivated answer. As it turns out, I didn't like his suggestion of shooting disformation (because of the possibility of an actual mafia Veteran) so I explained that, in case there was a town Vigilante listening, who was waffling on what to do. But I at least trusted him to not try and lead the Vigilante astray in his answer. I certainly did not foresee that the player I was trusting to give untainted advice to the Vigilante might then be shot BY that Vigilante, as may have happened. (It's been mentioned already that a 4-man mafia team that contains a Vigilante could be fine for game balance, but I still have trouble explaining Exo as a kill target for that mafia Vigilante, which is why I am not worrying about mocsta yet for Day 2. If he's scum, he'll need to be caught later, imo)

It loses its importance if you’re ignored for it.

But it is what it is.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 02:49 GMT
#2349
On March 24 2018 08:43 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 08:13 Tictock wrote:
On March 24 2018 01:11 Tictock wrote:
On March 23 2018 19:05 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis.

Now why is that something you would want "to be honest" about?

Mocsta was fairly close to being lynched on D1, so HF and I both felt comfortable saying he would not be killed. He was too tantalizing as a mislynch target. Meanwhile:
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM.

Kind of ridiculous. Why should they have wasted a Strongarm to kill an exposed Veteran?

Here are the 9 potential Town roles:

Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante

Every single one of them can help the Town catch scum, help the Town kill scum, or help the Town prevent kills by the scum....EXCEPT an exposed Veteran.

If we assume disformation is a legitimate Town Veteran, then: barring a scenario where he becomes the "Town Jesus" that was described earlier, there is NO rush to eliminate him. He's been completely neutralized by virtue of claiming his actual role, instead of just saying he was blue.


Cool, thanks for helping me understand why mafia would leave a claimed Veteran alive.


Touching back on this as I read it.

I’m not sure if it applies super well to Noobking due to his play style, but this type of mafia focused thinking raises red flags for me always.

It’s the type of thought process that shows noob is thinking from a mafia POV.

Every town player should be stepping back to think about things from a mafia POV from time to time. That's how counterintelligence works.

This is what makes me want to see more of you ☺️
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 02:53 GMT
#2350
On March 24 2018 08:54 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 08:39 Mocsta wrote:
On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this

But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake

More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion?
More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion?

Who cares

Mafia might quit irl to team mates
But i cant see mafia ever rage quitting
Instead its a concede or stop posting

Rage quit is how ya stop posting. You haven't seen mafia rage quit before??? I've seen mafia employ this tactic more than once in the same GAME, before. Of course, it's a fake rage quit, so they come back. Know anyone who said they were bailing on this game or "weren't going to play Day 2" but then came back?
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 08:39 Mocsta wrote:
Slam and ryan arent lynch candidates today

lol, and why is that?

Yes, yes I see how it looks like Blazinghand going to dinner.

But things do happen in IRL. I’m surprised someone like you sees that as alignment indicative.

Plus, you can look at why someone quits. How does my quit benefit me as a member of the mafia?

Since there is no benefit whatsoever (it certainly didn’t help my goals- I simply proved my unreliability) it is NAI.

I’m going to have to rethink my reading on you m8. Great teachers who are also impotent tend to be

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 24 2018 02:56 GMT
#2351
Ok some general thoughts now that I've eaten and been caught up (mostly).

I'm liking Palmar more today. He's not leading town or pushing shit very hard, but I am finding myself in agreement with more of his posts. I am reminded of the PyP game from like 2 years ago where he survived almost to LyLo playing like this. So nostalgic-town-read I suppose? Idk I feel better keeping him around.

I like DF. I don't have a great reason to townread DF, but I like him. Out of respect for townreading rayn I should read at his points on DF, but rayn and I rarely see eye to eye.

I'm mostly ignoring the Slam and Coag situation at the moment, but am feeling nervous given the Conversion impending flip. Slam was at least a townlean D1, but Coag is shit teir, replacing a null slot that should have never signed up for the game, and is apparently our reward for asking if we could get 20 signups *Glares at DF*

Speaking of shit, FF is someone I need to reread. It's probably mostly OMGUS but he feels too happy to be riding along in this game.

I'm actually gunna do a thing and point out the Koshi post that bugged me.
On March 23 2018 18:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 16:55 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah I don't disagree on nk, mocsta. I expected some night action analysis given his perception of how the game should be played and there wasn't any that i noticed?

As for conversion...he feels different than the game I was scum in. Like wasn't he trying to be a new and better conversion? Don't see that here at all.

This I agree with. NK last post was incredible underwhelming.

Conversion I dont know about atm. I might not lynch him based on TT his read on conv which I respect.


Randomly hiding behind my read on Conv.

But I did say I'm not lynching him today.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 24 2018 03:03 GMT
#2352
I'm pretty null of Dis and Moosy right now.

So this is my current scum pool.

KelsierSC
ykl
n00bking
Fecalfeast

Though tbf I need to re-read KSC, same as a few people have mentioned I just haven't seen anything from him and legit forgot he was in the game for a bit.

I'm still super on board a NK lynch.
I can take that responsibility.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 03:07 GMT
#2353
On March 24 2018 12:03 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty null of Dis and Moosy right now.

So this is my current scum pool.

KelsierSC
ykl
n00bking
Fecalfeast

Though tbf I need to re-read KSC, same as a few people have mentioned I just haven't seen anything from him and legit forgot he was in the game for a bit.

I'm still super on board a NK lynch.

Why YKL? He is pretty new, have you factored that in?

I saw him as scummy earlier. I do not remember why. But I retracted it when I filtered him.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 24 2018 03:09 GMT
#2354
On March 24 2018 12:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 12:03 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty null of Dis and Moosy right now.

So this is my current scum pool.

KelsierSC
ykl
n00bking
Fecalfeast

Though tbf I need to re-read KSC, same as a few people have mentioned I just haven't seen anything from him and legit forgot he was in the game for a bit.

I'm still super on board a NK lynch.

Why YKL? He is pretty new, have you factored that in?

I saw him as scummy earlier. I do not remember why. But I retracted it when I filtered him.

It's because he's new that he's just as likely to flip scum as he is town to be honest. I think he's scum
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 03:12 GMT
#2355
As per Holyflare, I will look into Palmar and vote Ticktock.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 24 2018 03:19 GMT
#2356
Yea just glancing through a bit of KSC's filter.
On March 22 2018 07:28 KelsierSC wrote:
why are we acting like fucking retards all of a sudden and going oprah on our votes.

df, moosy , dis if you dont believe the claim are the only real choices.

I don't understand the mocsta voting at all.


On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote:
voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote.

Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster.



Pretty big change in stance on Mocsta, with not many posts happening between.

And Conversion too?
On March 22 2018 07:39 KelsierSC wrote:
or they were worried about df being lynched...

this conversion wagon is really fucking bad lol

On March 22 2018 07:43 KelsierSC wrote:
i dont want like 3 wagons competing with conversions wagon

keep it clean

vote df or conversion of give a real fucking good reason why you are wasting your vote.


Honestly all I read here was pg 5 of KSC's filter and I feel like the dude never gave a shit about how EoD went. Only consistent scumread is DF, but mostly what he was doing was just shouting at everyone and calling them bad, while flip slopping his own reads all over the place.

Solid lynch right here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 24 2018 03:22 GMT
#2357
On March 24 2018 12:12 Alakaslam wrote:
As per Holyflare, I will look into Palmar and vote Ticktock.


I will probably forever call you scum this game this game if you actually read the game and leave your vote on me.

Fair warning.
I can take that responsibility.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 03:22 GMT
#2358
On March 22 2018 22:04 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 22:01 Palmar wrote:
On March 22 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote:
I took kill as shoot night1

Not lynxh day2

While I feel fairly certain noobking is mafia. it's still not how you should play vigilante.

The tier list of vigilante shots is something like:

1) Confirmed mafia (actually confirmed, not just maybe confirmed)
2) Liars
3) Trash and afkers
4) Active scummy players
5) own face


The problem is that most people are terrible at mafia, so shooting based on their reads is usually a bad idea.

Here, read this!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/232671-how-to-play-vigilante-and-how-to-play-cop

I actually disagree with Ace on the "nonsense" bit. To me afk people are far worse than people who just troll throughout the game (also I don't wanna have to shoot Chez and Slam every game).




Hey thanks m8.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 03:29 GMT
#2359
On March 23 2018 18:04 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote:
So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.


Slam is exponentially more useful than Coag. That should give you an indication of what coag does. Doing nothing is overachieving for him.

[image loading]
I don’t know whether this is a compliment to me or an insult to Coag
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 24 2018 03:31 GMT
#2360
On March 23 2018 23:27 Palmar wrote:
To be fair, when you can be meta'd on your ragequits, maybe it's time to chill out a bit.

...

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I don’t know whether this is about me or Conversion
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