[M] Classic Mafia - Page 122

On March 24 2018 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The thing with Palmar's approach to disformation during D1 and after is this. I actually thought about that too there since i think disformation is mafia and originally i figured it would be beneficial for Palmar to do what he did if he is mafia with disformation.

The problem i have with that line of thought is the following:
We can probably agree Palmar isn't completely unaware of what happens in the game, especially close to the lynch D1. If Palmar is mafia there is actually zero benefit for him to downplay his accusation on disformation after the claim because:
1) thread sentiment suggest not lynching disformation anymore
2) he can use that as a cover up into eternity for not doing anything other than saying "lynch disformation"
Therefore i came to conclusion that this:

...line of thought has to be legit thought process and the only explanation for "breaking character" is this. There is literally zero reason for Palmar to break character here regardless of disformation's alignment since not doing so ONLY helps his mafia play because it's correct (1) metawise, (2) noone can blame him fro that, (3) it gives him an excuse to not do anything. If disformation is mafia, the seed of bussing would have been implemented already before the claim so it makes no sense for him to not continue that. If disformation is town, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason Palmar should "lay off" him like he did.

Here is an example of Palmar breaking character as mafia. One big game there was we had a similar type of situation where Vivax claimed a role D1 when being lynched. Palmar is known for his "lynch claimers" policy, although he is a bit of a hypocrite in that tbh, lots of words why it's the best play, always do the opposing thing.... I, in that game, kept my vote on Vivax and tried to get him lynched because i didn't think the claim means anything. Palmar comes in -> says he reads me town -> says he will sheep me -> votes for the counter-wagon Rels. That is how Palmar breaks character as mafia, doing something completely illogical that fucks him up immediately + Show Spoiler +.

TLDR; There is zero reason for Palmar to break character he is very well aware of regardless of disformation's alignment.

Another thing is the coag townie seal that noobking talked about. I can't understand how he can come to a conclusion that "if Palmar is mafia he is lying" because i think that's a completely unnatural thought. There are more players in the game who know coag than Palmar, and the reason why noone is "contesting" the townie seal "case" is because well.. that's how it is. I can't figure out where the line of "if Palmar is mafia then he can be lying" comes from because that's not an option for him as mafia regardless of coag's alignment.

I am not sure why noobking throws all these things into trash and just follows one line of thought (which is definitely less likely than this). This is not even any sort of meta thing, this is just "why would town/mafia do this and how likely" which is what he loves all that much (like i do).

On March 24 2018 22:42 rsoultin wrote:


Hm, I was kind of liking noob's palmar digging because that's the sort of thing that I would do, and the sort of thing that would ping me. A discrepancy in game perception: see issues with slam and conversion this game, moosy last game, etc.

I agree with you on palmar that I don't see the benefit for him doing that as scum here. It was just making me feel a bit better about noob, though I wanted to keep the pressure on to see what he came up with.

You're right about his approach to the coag point, though. It's not a matter of lying. It's a matter of, do you think Palmar convinced coag in their scum qt that this was the game that he was going to break his meta for ultimate glory? Or, conversely, that Palmar focused on that rather than other things just to look like he was doing something.

On March 24 2018 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Coag has been tried to convince that in scum qt earlier and it didn't work.

I agree that the above thing is something a townie would say, but i kind of disagree it makes noobking townier because of how he looks at things and here he seems to be working completely differently than for example with his stuff on Tictock.

That being said i also think Tictock looks way better for his latest posts.

On March 24 2018 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either:
1) noobking is mafia with lurkers
2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers

That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all.

On March 24 2018 22:53 rsoultin wrote:


You're not supposed to say this before he answers my questions ;o;

On March 24 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He will still fuck up if he is mafia.

On March 24 2018 22:56 rsoultin wrote:


True. And if he's town, I like how he thinks with that poke into Palmar. Worth keeping around.

On March 24 2018 22:52 rsoultin wrote:


If I can keep focused long enough, I need to double check HF's reasons for wanting TT dead. I do remember something about TT defending mocsta before reading or something, but it's hazy. I definitely don't think his post at the start of today was weird at all.

Yeah, that was the other thought. The timing on noob pushing that.

I'm just going to do that now while it's still fresh and then maybe try to sleep this off.

And, really, I feel like TT and disinfo have been some of the people most actively digging this day phase. TT you could argue is on the chopping block, so it's not as alignment indicative for him. But yeah.

On March 24 2018 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think here is where we disagree.

On March 24 2018 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What does that mean?

On March 24 2018 12:42 darthfoley wrote:


Yes I remember what you're talking about but I can't remember who it was. I'll try to find it