Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII

On January 29 2018 17:32 justanothertownie wrote:

I would really love to hear those reasons to townread mderg and Rels that are stronger than the rb thing.

On January 30 2018 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:

The consensus seems to be that you are mafia.

On January 28 2018 10:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
but my true reason why I'm ok with an HF lynch is actually dumb

On January 28 2018 10:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
I can see HF being scum. I can also see KMatt being scum. And Mocsta. And JAT.

And out of these four, I think HF is the most capable scum player so I want him to be dead first.

On January 28 2018 00:38 mderg wrote:
I can totally see Mocsta being scum, maybe even more than kmatt

On January 30 2018 04:07 justanothertownie wrote:

It's night btw.

On January 24 2018 09:26 Mocsta wrote:
so a check was burnt to confirm the outcome of the darthfoley/btdt day1 wagons.

where does this get us now?

"Confirmed"

Damerion
BTDT
Mocsta

"High Likely Town"
Rels
mderg
Holyflare

"PoE"
TWAT(Jat)
Kmatt

In HF eyes, Kmatt/Mocsta are transferable.

Regardless, a lot of this lines up as I truly believe the ppl posting every day care about this game and are town.

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The question is whether a cop would proactively scum hunt Day 1.
The whole issue is, many of us saw the DAmdred meta as a poke. and it was the lack of understanding of the reaction that snowballed into a wagon.
Why cant a cop call someone out?

Going to mull on this. Want to hear from JAT in the meantime.

On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.

On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote:
Why can it not be both? He town hunts heavily day one especially without coming to hard decisions by the end of day one. While at the same time he generally explains his scum reads more than one sentence even beyond that on day one?

As for him explaining? I disagree, twat had him sort of backpeddling even about them being a team. And even when he backed up from that he decided to still push them. He was correct I was wrong I agree with that however I do not think he was very town at all this game. And others agreed with me while mafia decided not to shore up the wagon exactly while I take all the blame?

In either case tomorrow I am sure I will find scum and be a hero again.

Right now for instance I am sure Mocsta is town, there is no doubt in my mind. Holyflare and yourself are also high but not as high as him.

I think BTDT could be scum, there might be a reason to check into him a bit more. DarthFoley could of been distancing himself slightly or just trying to save himself when he voted but doubtful when I think Damdred was the lynch and not many were interested in switching. So perhaps i'll check into him tonight.

Will have more solid reads in a bit.

On January 24 2018 09:27 Damerion wrote:
To be frank @Mocsta I looked over Damdreds filter after I lynched him and he did have a decent point about your vote at that point.

I also wanted to check someone I did not have a firm read on, was unlikely to be a mafia kill and was unlikely to be a vigilante target.

You were also a target of some conversation d1 so it made sense to me eventually you would be up for lynch and a check one way or another could make the day easier in the future.

On January 30 2018 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah, yeah. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Still wtf.

This really late replacement in general is really screwing over someones game. Either the mafia game of some poor fella just got a lot harder or a secure mafia loss was just stopped by host intervention if it is your slot.

On January 30 2018 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:

He was working under incorrect assumptions if he is town. We had a cop fakeclaim by mafia damerion (which I utterly destroyed btw.).

On January 30 2018 04:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
It also was HF's top scum read if that's not enough for you.

On January 30 2018 04:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
It also was HF's top scum read if that's not enough for you.

On January 28 2018 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:
:/

On January 30 2018 05:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Did he post is role at some point? I just remember him counterclaiming the doc as town.

On January 30 2018 05:19 justanothertownie wrote:

:/

On June 14 2017 16:35 Koshi wrote:

This emoticon is made by mafia over town 9/10 times. It is proven.

On June 14 2017 16:49 Koshi wrote:

See. Now you are mafia 81/100 times, 9/100 times mafia pretending to be town, 9/100 times town pretending to be mafia, and only 1% chance to be town being town.

Can't disagree with math. Especially my math.

On January 26 2018 05:25 justanothertownie wrote:
It seems to me like you are in a quite bad mood for someone who is currently lynching mafia.

On January 26 2018 20:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Pro tip: antagonizing me won't get you any further regardless of your alignment.

On January 25 2018 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:

This post is fucking brutal if Mocsta is mafia. Shitting on your teammate that hard...
Not very likely.

On January 30 2018 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:

It's a good thing that you are a bastion of humility.

On January 23 2018 20:11 Rels wrote:
that's assuming Damerion is scum ofc, if he's town then the game is totally different. But I'm pretty sure he's scum

On January 24 2018 16:52 Rels wrote:
yeah it makes no sense. We don't have 2 investigatives in a newbie.
##Vote Damerion

On January 26 2018 09:00 Rels wrote:
ez. HF next and it's gg.

On January 30 2018 19:33 Mocsta wrote:
Referring to, and whom?

On January 27 2018 08:00 Rels wrote:
Now HF:
- has been pushing for mafia objectives all game long: lynch Damdred or BTDT over DF during D1, lynch prp over Damerion D2, soft a role during the night N2, believed Damerion's claim D3. Now I want to make it clear that being wrong does not make anyone scum by itself. But. HF is a very strong a logical player, as either alignment. And this game is being seen more or less the same way by a lot of players I consider strong: rsoultin, KSC, JAT ... but HF for some reason has had the exact opposite view of the game than all of these players. Even if it doesn't make HF scum by itself, it's a big indicator that he's been this wrong in this straight-forward game.
- has entered pointless debate mode whenever he's been attacked. That started D1 when he deflected rsoul's accusation of defending DF by saying he was going home, which was not the original point; and that continued all game until earlier, where he was whining about being tunneled so much and trying to throw shade at me.
- and last but not least, my case on him. Regardless of everything I've said above, the case by itself make him scum. It's just impossible that town!HF would risk the cop getting roleblocked. I know that for a player that never played with HF, it seems dumb to have that kind of certainty over this: if that's the case and you refuse to take my word for it, I would ask you to do your research and verify how HF plays as town during the night.

On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
TL;DR: ##Vote: Damdred
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I am concerned...

I am seeing a pattern of people issuing town reads (solely) for being congruent with their reads.



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If you want me to join the town circle-jerk club.
Fine: There is only one individual that gives me consitently good feelings and that is + Show Spoiler +

Whilst I dont agree with the conclusions drawn by this player, I dont think the motives are malicious due to the above.

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But, I would rather weigh in on nulls and reds.


Priority #1: What to make of damerion/damdred case

• Case is quite subjective to me, and presents a damned-if-you, damned-if-you-don't argument.
  Acceptable for early Day1 and overall, I catergorise this as a poke.
  
• Damdred brushing off the case is only indicative of confidence, rather than alignment
  
• Damerion followup is OK given the case/poke premise of meta.
  
• Damdred wanting to work together is only indicative of understanding the game mechanics , rather than alignment.

Whilst I have no qualm with Damdred brushing off the case, i do have a problem with how Damdred clings to the mocsta/DF thread sentiment throughout his filter and case response.

"Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet)...But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy"
"But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway."
"but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?"

This is wishy washy at best, and non-congruent with the town-play meta argument at worst.

I think a town that is +1 bandwagoning would be more likely to get frustrated during this exchange. Especially in day1 when circles are small, and paranoia can be at its peak.
This is not present at all. Rather, whilst being poked Damdred remains calculated in response; making it even more intrigruing that a firm opinion is held without a firm base. Uncharacteristic of a measured thinker.

Overall, I observe Damdred employing an "appeal to emotion" through reconjuring thread bias without further substantiating or developing it.
Whilst, town is capable of using this (typically under confirmation bias) - at what point can it be deduced that Damdred is experiencing confirmation bias?? At what point can it be deduced that Damdred is poking somone, or laying a trap?

Rather, I prefer the simplest explanation: that an appeal to emotion is a tactic associated with lazy mafia play.

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Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.

On January 19 2018 12:31 Mocsta wrote:
Is that not the point? Damdred was appealing to thread bias to push scum reads on his behalf...A soft push bruh.


Firstly, Tina hasnt put me in town circle?? Secondly, this is a not a logical conclusion as when reversed: If Tina is mafia and likes enthusiasm; your logic infers it would be a naturally difficult for her to call me mafia... i.e. whether rsoultin is town or mafia, I end up town.


I dont understand how you can elicit such a strong opinion when damdred hasnt flipped? I do think Damdred is scummy, so why should others know better? The strong opinion is what makes this feel like a cheap way to open the door to target that wagon.


What credit? He was trying to sway the case from damdred to damerion?

Either you are using too much intraverted intuition to converge possibilities or or intentionally misinterpretting events.


This I do agree with.

On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote:
I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing.
Please refer to my 4000 word case below.

Why is DF scum
Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this....
+ Show Spoiler +

Why is HF scum
Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this...
+ Show Spoiler +

Why does it work together
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 30 2018 19:47 Mocsta wrote:
Whats the point of this post.

No need to shit on people that are dead. So are you being a tool for the sake of it, or relating this to Rels?

On January 21 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote:
im happy to clear BTDT by association after reading Darthfoley filter
the nitpicking case reminds me of the bullshit he stated for me being scum.

So i think mderg summary below is accurate.


Its not unheard of for scum to not vote, but its not something I would be willing to consider at this stage. Even with 2 town being prime bandwagon, the fact that DF was semi-close to a lynch should force a scum kmatt to vote.
So kmatt is effectively green for today.

Im still green on TWAT + Rels

2 scum within: damerion, HF, mderg, prplhz

If damdred is the player everyone says he is, its quite the mastermind effort to facillitate a lynch him day1.
This points to HF for me by default.

need to know why Hf thinks prplhz is town.

gonna start looking into mderg in more detail

On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone


Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum

On January 19 2018 20:21 mderg wrote:

I don't think all 3 of them are scum together. Both damerion and hf are in my would lynch because scummy pile with damerion being higher up in the scummy department.

On January 19 2018 21:11 mderg wrote:

Who are you and what did you do to the real holyflare?

On January 20 2018 08:49 mderg wrote:
Kelsier is scum btw

On January 23 2018 22:48 mderg wrote:

He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile.

The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me.

On January 30 2018 22:08 justanothertownie wrote:

Sure, but if you are both town it is as much your job to find the mafia as it is ours. I will not drive discussion today or decide a lynch early. No need for a second dead dayphase in a row and I need the remaining townies to show themselves/commit to something without just following my lead because it is impossible to find mafia otherwise.

On January 30 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not seeing that.

Rather, he has indicated that top scum after HF.

How does Koshi entering change that read?
From when Rels posted that, I do not pick up alternate scum reads to Kmatt/Koshi... hence, how does the game get easier? he should be at a dead end.....

On January 30 2018 23:14 Mocsta wrote:
replace late sucks
But i wouldnt draw haste conclusions
kmatr is a newbie and kita probably feels internally pressures for this to reach a natural ending through votes with either allignment.

We have invested 2 weeks of our lives and losing a town now would put game in lylo i think and losing scum is default win.

Nothing more to read of this.. also bear in mind twat didnt post dor like 72 hrs before being replaced.

Who knows when kmatt sent ina request.....

On January 18 2018 22:05 mderg wrote:

Meh, I don't like reads that are 100% based on meta

On January 18 2018 23:04 mderg wrote:
I really don't like the way Damerion is making his case on Damdred, though.

Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine.

On January 18 2018 23:35 mderg wrote:

How do you get hf in the mafia pile from my filter? I'd much rather put Damerion in that.

Like I said, I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying

On January 19 2018 08:59 mderg wrote:

sounds kind of vague and bullshitty to me

On January 19 2018 18:18 mderg wrote:
Can we just lynch Rels?

On January 31 2018 15:26 Mocsta wrote:
I have ctrl+f "mderg" in Rels filter, and he only starts dishing him praise during the HF lynch - when asked to give reads on players by JAT.

Why does not attacking someone equate to pocketing?

On January 31 2018 16:19 justanothertownie wrote:
It's so sad that Koshi learned to mafia at some point. A few years ago this would be town!Koshi 100 % of the time.

On January 18 2018 23:35 mderg wrote:

How do you get hf in the mafia pile from my filter? I'd much rather put Damerion in that.

Like I said, I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying

On January 19 2018 08:59 mderg wrote:

sounds kind of vague and bullshitty to me

On January 19 2018 18:18 mderg wrote:
Can we just lynch Rels?

On January 31 2018 18:41 Rels wrote:

Why ? What is baller about "I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying" ?

On January 31 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:

The above into under is maybe bad. He should want to lynch df.

On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote:

The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts.

Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.

On January 19 2018 18:32 mderg wrote:

That's really not the impression I've got from his play

On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting

On January 19 2018 21:04 mderg wrote:

I could consolidate on a btdt lynch

On January 20 2018 07:44 mderg wrote:

From what I've seen his extreme confidence in his early scumread is pretty similar to his past games. He didn't tunnel as much but it doesn't seem that off.
I don't like his case and tunnel on damdred at all but his meta seems to be in line with his past games to me.

On January 31 2018 20:29 justanothertownie wrote:


Maybe it isn't town Koshi after all :/

On January 19 2018 00:59 Rels wrote:

This is true

On January 19 2018 23:23 Rels wrote:

This post is pretty townie.
To answer the question: dunno.

On January 19 2018 23:45 Rels wrote:
rsoul is town ez game then

On January 20 2018 08:15 Rels wrote:

oh yeah you're right
I think I want to vote Damdred again

On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow

On January 19 2018 23:56 Rels wrote:
I was townreading DF a little bit before that. Probably 'cause he townread me.
But this post seems like scum to me

On January 31 2018 08:04 Koshi wrote:
So yeah.

I think JAT knows I am town. I also think he will vote Rels.
Mocsta will most likely vote me. He convinced himself over the course of the game and needs to see my flip.
mderg I don't know. Probably has the deciding vote.

I was nice to mderg. But Rels has been pocketing him quite well as well.


I think there is enough evidence and data in this thread.
gl hf to the players.

On February 01 2018 16:48 Mocsta wrote:
Yoy realise id i voted yoy

Shenanigans could occur

Mserg was safe play

Stop being dumb dumb

On February 02 2018 07:22 Mocsta wrote:
In general, yes you are.

On February 02 2018 09:11 Mocsta wrote:
Hi Koshi
I respect you as a person

On February 02 2018 17:24 Mocsta wrote:
... kmatt was scum
Koshi got rels to turn on mderg

Like what more is there to say?

On February 02 2018 19:04 justanothertownie wrote:

I might just do it. What then? Do you think I beat myself up over mislynching a guy taunting me in final 3?
It's not like you managed to do anything special this game regardless of your alignment. You replaced into the game at a point in time when no replacement should ever happen and survived a day because you are a replacement and people gave you a chance.

On February 02 2018 20:14 Mocsta wrote:

To lynch a townie bruh

Totally

And your slot was under heat.. no townie points for yoy

On February 02 2018 20:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Sure you can have fun but you are actively sabotaging our chances to win if you are town. Why shouldn't I just vote the guy who claims mafia? Where is the upside for this mislynch if you are town?

On February 02 2018 20:23 justanothertownie wrote:

Then it should't even be a lot of effort for you to summarize for me why mocsta is mafia. Go.

On February 02 2018 20:28 Mocsta wrote:

Fully agree with this

Maybe we lynch jat together lol

On January 30 2018 05:12 Koshi wrote:

Free Pro-tip:
Open HF filter
ctrl + f
type "mocsta"
press next a couple times.



HF wasn't horrible early. Well he had the other mafia as top town but at least his Mocsta read was good.

On February 02 2018 20:38 Mocsta wrote:

Countered:

On February 02 2018 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:

Koshi is literally doing the opposite. He was doing his best for me to lynch him.
I don't see why the other final 3 would be gg.
I also don't see why koshi would know that I will side with him when during the night I literally gave reasons for him to be mafia and not you.

On February 02 2018 22:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Read koshi too. Mocsta and flipped mafia will follow later in the day.

On February 02 2018 22:00 Mocsta wrote:

And whats the scum motivation again??

On February 03 2018 23:31 Mocsta wrote:
Only thing i will comment further is that i never had intent to lynch mderg

It was a joke vote thing and totally stupid and that action has cost the game.

I was never leaving the vote on mderg but alas

See you in 10hrs i guess

On February 04 2018 00:09 Koshi wrote:

Hmm. Not shooting JAT is up there.

On February 04 2018 08:47 justanothertownie wrote:

hehehehehe
Wait for the flip...