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On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
I would really love to hear those reasons to townread mderg and Rels that are stronger than the rb thing.
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On January 29 2018 10:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 09:39 mderg wrote:On January 29 2018 08:49 Mocsta wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
[Mocsta =>Removed dead people from list]
[b]Day1
Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
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[b]Day2
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
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[b]Before cop claim
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
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After cop claim
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit
I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Hi mderg - Does your kmatt read take into account the HF case on p77? - Im not sure of your point in bold. Firstly, I dont agree with not presenting reads. If its not clear, this cycle my choice of lynch was and is kmatt. I merely have recognised that people need closure on HF to move forward. Silly if you ask me. Secondly, HF is espousing that I joined wagons for my own "hipster" reasons; and you are saying I am jumping on -> implying a "+1". Perhaps relevant, perhaps not: however I can say with all certainty that I have struggled to understand the condensation of thought many players have expressed this game. The best example is HF, where I have fleshed out multiple posts in more specificity -> thinking this has resulted in a different (and more logical) outcome; with HF response being "thats what I said". Lastly, what is a strong read. You yourself do not define any scum reads for the first 3 days? - Lastly, again with the bold. Rels should be just as culpable for jumping onto cases (by sheeping RSoultin with blatant +1) IIRC this is why he jumped off Damdred wagon. This is why he voted Damerion. Further, the more and more invested is simply a yelling match to HF. Im not sure why he and I are treated differently, yet, kmatt who is "lack of content' gets a free pass. I did not say you weren't presenting any reads. I do not remember you having a scumread on anyone who didn't have a case on him already. If that's wrong, it's because I was too lazy to check your whole filter today when hf was always gonna be lynched. I'm also pretty sure I did present scumreads for the first 3 days. That is incorrect and also an unfair representation of this game. Being good town is about recognising a good case - whether generated by yourself or others. Lastly, it was your condensed list of reads in the original post that declared no scum reads throughout all day cycles. Show nested quote +The impression I've got from Rels is different than the one from you. Partly because I'm biased as he had similar reads to me over the course of the game. Funnily enough I had Rels as scummy at the start of the game for similar reasons to you.
Also "but he did the same" is not always the most convinving argument. Argument was not the intent. That was raised to extract further information. Show nested quote +And where does kmatt get a free pass? He has a decent chance of flipping scum based purely on poe. [b]Can I say anything about his play besides providing very little information and reasoning of his reads? No. Part in bold is congruent with list post. Part in red was not - at least to me.
Sheeping is a part of being a good townie but it did not look like you were carefully considering which cases were good. It's also unusual for town to only latch onto reads others made.
I think you read my post wrong, if you didn't find any scumreads.
kmatt doesn't look particularly townie, so that alone puts him in the scummy category. Lots of the points against kmatt could be explained by him just not being here for most of the game, thus not forming well reasoned reads.
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On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
btdt hasn't been shitting town rainbows, that's definitely correct. Most of his town credit is down to the votes and his rb claim. I highly doubt mafia would plan the rb thing night1, so that would leave host error or mafia forgetting to rb night1 and then just rolling with it for night2. While I can imagine that happening, I don't want to think too much about it at this point in time.
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On January 29 2018 17:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
I would really love to hear those reasons to townread mderg and Rels that are stronger than the rb thing. Unfortunately, i dont have any time tonight to go into further detail.
TLDR is that I went back to Day1 as this was the most natural day.
All the other ones had events that are difficult to discern motive: e.g. prplhz lynch; cop-claim; predetermined lynch.
Day1 has some really quirky/interesting interactions between DF/Damerion and remaining player group.
mderg has been lone wolf all game; and I dont see how this play carries a team to victory. it relies on lots of luck. I stand by hipster townie.
Rels I will try to flesh out more in the morning if i get time.
One caveat is that I have yet to read former games whether either player has been mafia. mderg did say he can be top-tier scum so i am curious if knowledge of townies changes his playstyle dramatically instead of being a "wanderer" in this game.
I agree BTDT is a non-issue unless LYLO presents; and I dont think its of benefit to discuss him further.
I more raised that as item of note if it gets that far.
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On January 29 2018 20:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 17:32 justanothertownie wrote:On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
I would really love to hear those reasons to townread mderg and Rels that are stronger than the rb thing. Unfortunately, i dont have any time tonight to go into further detail. TLDR is that I went back to Day1 as this was the most natural day. All the other ones had events that are difficult to discern motive: e.g. prplhz lynch; cop-claim; predetermined lynch. Day1 has some really quirky/interesting interactions between DF/Damerion and remaining player group.mderg has been lone wolf all game; and I dont see how this play carries a team to victory. it relies on lots of luck. I stand by hipster townie. Rels I will try to flesh out more in the morning if i get time. One caveat is that I have yet to read former games whether either player has been mafia. mderg did say he can be top-tier scum so i am curious if knowledge of townies changes his playstyle dramatically instead of being a "wanderer" in this game. I agree BTDT is a non-issue unless LYLO presents; and I dont think its of benefit to discuss him further. I more raised that as item of note if it gets that far.
Ok, but if anyone here is capable of being top-tier scum now that HF is dead then it is Rels. Keep that in mind if you are town.
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On January 29 2018 20:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 17:32 justanothertownie wrote:On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
I would really love to hear those reasons to townread mderg and Rels that are stronger than the rb thing. Unfortunately, i dont have any time tonight to go into further detail. TLDR is that I went back to Day1 as this was the most natural day. All the other ones had events that are difficult to discern motive: e.g. prplhz lynch; cop-claim; predetermined lynch. Day1 has some really quirky/interesting interactions between DF/Damerion and remaining player group.mderg has been lone wolf all game; and I dont see how this play carries a team to victory. it relies on lots of luck. I stand by hipster townie. Rels I will try to flesh out more in the morning if i get time. One caveat is that I have yet to read former games whether either player has been mafia. mderg did say he can be top-tier scum so i am curious if knowledge of townies changes his playstyle dramatically instead of being a "wanderer" in this game. I agree BTDT is a non-issue unless LYLO presents; and I dont think its of benefit to discuss him further. I more raised that as item of note if it gets that far.
My top tier scum comment should not be taken too seriously. While I consider myself better scum than town the comment was more about rsoultin picking out by far my worst scum game. That could have led to an incorrect meta of me being a godawful scum player.
I've had one scum game where I did play some hipster scum playstyle similar to what this would be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=mderg
I also used a fake rb claim to lead town astray in that game, similar to what btdt might be doing.
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kitaman27
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Kmatt has been replaced by Koshi. Everybody say hi!
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Yo Koshi. I thought you were against replacing this late? :p
Show me what you got!
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I am town. I haven't read anything.
I am playing Heroes.
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Give me a list of the general consensus of who is mafia. I will read and vote.
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On January 30 2018 03:56 Koshi wrote:
Give me a list of the general consensus of who is mafia. I will read and vote.
The consensus seems to be that you are mafia.
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On January 29 2018 17:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
I would really love to hear those reasons to townread mderg and Rels that are stronger than the rb thing.
So what I am reading here is that JAT doesn't know shit or Mocsta is mafia.
Both are possible.
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On January 30 2018 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 03:56 Koshi wrote:
Give me a list of the general consensus of who is mafia. I will read and vote. The consensus seems to be that you are mafia.
I know. But who except me?
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did btdt get notified of a rb?
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On January 28 2018 10:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
but my true reason why I'm ok with an HF lynch is actually dumb
On January 28 2018 10:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
I can see HF being scum. I can also see KMatt being scum. And Mocsta. And JAT.
And out of these four, I think HF is the most capable scum player so I want him to be dead first.
ok this guy is ok for now.
btdt no mafia.
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On January 28 2018 00:38 mderg wrote:
I can totally see Mocsta being scum, maybe even more than kmatt
Good stuff.
##vote Mocsta
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On January 30 2018 03:59 Koshi wrote:
did btdt get notified of a rb?
He claimed being rolblocked n1 and 2 on day 3. Noone else claimed the rb (which are notified) and we know that mafia did not rb their nightkill n1 since Kelsier shot df.
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Heroes now.
I like that mderg post.
Excellent doubt and shows he is solving game in his head.
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So btdt is town unless mafia forgot to rb or rsoultin was rbed n1 and did not claim.
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On January 30 2018 04:02 justanothertownie wrote:
So btdt is town unless mafia forgot to rb or rsoultin was rbed n1 and did not claim.
Same goes for prplhz actually.
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