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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 19:21 GMT
#1541
Also, can I just say. If you make a game with base activity levels and join it knowing there are (REALLY MINIMAL) base activities I'd appreciate people sticking to that.

Activity:
You are expected to keep up with the thread and participate in discussion daily. If for some reason you anticipate that you will not be available for a period longer than 24 hours, please notify a host ahead of time. If the host deems a player is inactive, they may be warned or removed from the game.

I will be looking for at least 3 posts per cycle, so 1 post every 24 hours. Failure to live up to this will result in you breaking the Activity requirements and thus being warned or removed from the game.


1 post in 48 hours is not really acceptable and it's basically been like that every cycle apart from the last
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 19:21 GMT
#1542
I understand it's a newbie student game but you can't also promote inactivity.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 19:25 GMT
#1543
I'll just say this. Mocsta's filter doesn't look that bad but you shouldn't read his filter when you're reading into him, you need to read the context in the thread. The big problem I had with him on the first few cycles is that everything he said was just a parrot of what had already been said before. So he brought nothing new effectively.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16339 Posts
January 28 2018 19:28 GMT
#1544
On January 29 2018 04:21 Holyflare wrote:
Also, can I just say. If you make a game with base activity levels and join it knowing there are (REALLY MINIMAL) base activities I'd appreciate people sticking to that.

Show nested quote +
Activity:
You are expected to keep up with the thread and participate in discussion daily. If for some reason you anticipate that you will not be available for a period longer than 24 hours, please notify a host ahead of time. If the host deems a player is inactive, they may be warned or removed from the game.

I will be looking for at least 3 posts per cycle, so 1 post every 24 hours. Failure to live up to this will result in you breaking the Activity requirements and thus being warned or removed from the game.


1 post in 48 hours is not really acceptable and it's basically been like that every cycle apart from the last

Yeah. That's quite poor form.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 20:23 GMT
#1545
I've reread rels filter and I don't get the point he switched onto me. The first 50% of the game is him reading everything I'm writing and saying "yes I agree" repeatedly. Also saying I'm never mafia this game and repeatedly calling me probably town. Sheeped damdred read, agreed with prplhz read. Nothing to indicate he has a problem with me in a greater sense.

I find it weird how on day 1 he's mid saying "you're just pointlessly arguing about damdred and your work with rsoul" and then switches to damdred.

I find it a very weird progression to say that hf is apathetic in this game and that makes him town to suddenly me being apathetic about btdt counter claiming makes me mafia.

It's full of weird flip flops like this. Don't let him slide.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 20:26 GMT
#1546
I've gotta go out and won't be awake for deadline probably so cya. Don't let rels slide by with shit excuses like "he played so mafia sided".
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 28 2018 22:12 GMT
#1547
On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next?

I don't really want to respond to this but here you go:

Day1

Town

Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious

Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum
Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb

kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
prplhz: no content

df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred

Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled
scum
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Day2

Town

Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
rsoultin: obvious town
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky

kmatt: no content
prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1

Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom

Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case
scum
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Before cop claim

Town

btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion

jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content

Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"

Damerion: nothing changed to before
scum
________________________________________________________________________________________________

After cop claim

Town

btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made

kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent

Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit
Damerion: no way believing his cop claim
scum



I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own.


Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2018 23:49 GMT
#1548
On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
[Mocsta =>Removed dead people from list]
[b]Day1

Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
[b]Day2
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
________________________________________________________________________________________________
[b]Before cop claim
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
________________________________________________________________________________________________
[b]After cop claim
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit

I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own.
Hi mderg
- Does your kmatt read take into account the HF case on p77?

- Im not sure of your point in bold.
Firstly, I dont agree with not presenting reads. If its not clear, this cycle my choice of lynch was and is kmatt. I merely have recognised that people need closure on HF to move forward. Silly if you ask me.
Secondly, HF is espousing that I joined wagons for my own "hipster" reasons; and you are saying I am jumping on -> implying a "+1". Perhaps relevant, perhaps not: however I can say with all certainty that I have struggled to understand the condensation of thought many players have expressed this game. The best example is HF, where I have fleshed out multiple posts in more specificity -> thinking this has resulted in a different (and more logical) outcome; with HF response being "thats what I said".
Lastly, what is a strong read. You yourself do not define any scum reads for the first 3 days?

- Lastly, again with the bold.
Rels should be just as culpable for jumping onto cases (by sheeping RSoultin with blatant +1)
IIRC this is why he jumped off Damdred wagon.
This is why he voted Damerion.
Further, the more and more invested is simply a yelling match to HF.

Im not sure why he and I are treated differently, yet, kmatt who is "lack of content' gets a free pass.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 23:59 GMT
#1549
Keep an eye on rels. All he did was discredit uselessly all cycle and couldn't respond properly to basic questions. Kmatt isn't necessarily mafia but it's likely.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 23:59 GMT
#1550
Thanks for wasting a cycle!
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 29 2018 00:00 GMT
#1551
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Night 4


Vote Count

Holyflare (6) Rels, justanothertownie, beentheredonethat, mderg, Kmatt, Mocsta, beentheredonethat
Kmatt (1): Mocsta, Holyflare
justanothertownie (0): beentheredonethat

Holyflare the Vanilla Town has been lynched.



You have 24 hours to submit any night actions. Please make sure to PM both hosts with your action to ensure that it will be counted. The night cycle ends on Monday, Jan 29 11:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 29 2018 00:07 GMT
#1552
GG. HF
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 29 2018 00:09 GMT
#1553
I hope everyone can move on now and see the light

Remember, HF posts were written rationally and mostly without emotion (bar Rels discussion).

Lots of information to glean over.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 29 2018 00:10 GMT
#1554
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mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 29 2018 00:39 GMT
#1555
On January 29 2018 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
[Mocsta =>Removed dead people from list]
[b]Day1

Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
[b]Day2
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
________________________________________________________________________________________________
[b]Before cop claim
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
________________________________________________________________________________________________
[b]After cop claim
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit

I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own.
Hi mderg
- Does your kmatt read take into account the HF case on p77?

- Im not sure of your point in bold.
Firstly, I dont agree with not presenting reads. If its not clear, this cycle my choice of lynch was and is kmatt. I merely have recognised that people need closure on HF to move forward. Silly if you ask me.
Secondly, HF is espousing that I joined wagons for my own "hipster" reasons; and you are saying I am jumping on -> implying a "+1". Perhaps relevant, perhaps not: however I can say with all certainty that I have struggled to understand the condensation of thought many players have expressed this game. The best example is HF, where I have fleshed out multiple posts in more specificity -> thinking this has resulted in a different (and more logical) outcome; with HF response being "thats what I said".
Lastly, what is a strong read. You yourself do not define any scum reads for the first 3 days?

- Lastly, again with the bold.
Rels should be just as culpable for jumping onto cases (by sheeping RSoultin with blatant +1)
IIRC this is why he jumped off Damdred wagon.
This is why he voted Damerion.
Further, the more and more invested is simply a yelling match to HF.

Im not sure why he and I are treated differently, yet, kmatt who is "lack of content' gets a free pass.

I did not say you weren't presenting any reads. I do not remember you having a scumread on anyone who didn't have a case on him already. If that's wrong, it's because I was too lazy to check your whole filter today when hf was always gonna be lynched.
I'm also pretty sure I did present scumreads for the first 3 days.

The impression I've got from Rels is different than the one from you. Partly because I'm biased as he had similar reads to me over the course of the game. Funnily enough I had Rels as scummy at the start of the game for similar reasons to you.
Also "but he did the same" is not always the most convinving argument.

And where does kmatt get a free pass? He has a decent chance of flipping scum based purely on poe. Can I say anything about his play besides providing very little information and reasoning of his reads? No.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 29 2018 01:01 GMT
#1556
On January 29 2018 09:39 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2018 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
[Mocsta =>Removed dead people from list]
[b]Day1

Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
[b]Day2
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
________________________________________________________________________________________________
[b]Before cop claim
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
________________________________________________________________________________________________
After cop claim
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit

I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own.
Hi mderg
- Does your kmatt read take into account the HF case on p77?

- Im not sure of your point in bold.
Firstly, I dont agree with not presenting reads. If its not clear, this cycle my choice of lynch was and is kmatt. I merely have recognised that people need closure on HF to move forward. Silly if you ask me.
Secondly, HF is espousing that I joined wagons for my own "hipster" reasons; and you are saying I am jumping on -> implying a "+1". Perhaps relevant, perhaps not: however I can say with all certainty that I have struggled to understand the condensation of thought many players have expressed this game. The best example is HF, where I have fleshed out multiple posts in more specificity -> thinking this has resulted in a different (and more logical) outcome; with HF response being "thats what I said".
Lastly, what is a strong read. You yourself do not define any scum reads for the first 3 days?

- Lastly, again with the bold.
Rels should be just as culpable for jumping onto cases (by sheeping RSoultin with blatant +1)
IIRC this is why he jumped off Damdred wagon.
This is why he voted Damerion.
Further, the more and more invested is simply a yelling match to HF.

Im not sure why he and I are treated differently, yet, kmatt who is "lack of content' gets a free pass.

I did not say you weren't presenting any reads. I do not remember you having a scumread on anyone who didn't have a case on him already. If that's wrong, it's because I was too lazy to check your whole filter today when hf was always gonna be lynched.
I'm also pretty sure I did present scumreads for the first 3 days.
That is incorrect and also an unfair representation of this game. Being good town is about recognising a good case - whether generated by yourself or others.
Lastly, it was your condensed list of reads in the original post that declared no scum reads throughout all day cycles.

The impression I've got from Rels is different than the one from you. Partly because I'm biased as he had similar reads to me over the course of the game. Funnily enough I had Rels as scummy at the start of the game for similar reasons to you.
Also "but he did the same" is not always the most convinving argument.
Argument was not the intent. That was raised to extract further information.

And where does kmatt get a free pass? He has a decent chance of flipping scum based purely on poe. [b]Can I say anything about his play besides providing very little information and reasoning of his reads? No.
Part in bold is congruent with list post. Part in red was not - at least to me.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 29 2018 01:01 GMT
#1557
Also, have you read the kmatt case on p77?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 29 2018 05:49 GMT
#1558
After re-reading the game:
I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town.

That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two.

I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out.
Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.




The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT.
    Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
    However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed.
    Some food for thought if it gets there
    • Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
    • Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
    • DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
    • BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 29 2018 06:14 GMT
#1559
WIFOM bomb incoming:

Original (with flips)
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 20 2018 06:56 darthfoley wrote:
I'll be heading out on the road soon so I will only be phone posting from here until deadline. Idk if i'll be able to respond or keep up much i'm going to be but my reads are something like this
Town

Twat
Kmatt
HF

Rels
Mderg
rsoultin
prphlz

Damerion

Damdred
Kelscier

Mocsta
BTDT

Mafia


With my world
On January 20 2018 06:56 darthfoley wrote:
Town

Twat (JAT)
Kmatt
HF

Rels
Mderg

rsoultin
prphlz

Damerion

Damdred
Kelscier

Mocsta
BTDT


Mafia
P.S. DF had no idea he was getting shot night1 when this was released.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16339 Posts
January 29 2018 08:29 GMT
#1560
On January 29 2018 09:09 Mocsta wrote:
I hope everyone can move on now and see the light

Remember, HF posts were written rationally and mostly without emotion (bar Rels discussion).

Lots of information to glean over.

Nobody stopped you from pushing Kmatt over HF. So don't act all smug about it now. You did not even vote accordingly. That is way worse play than people scumrading HF and voting him.

If I am alive tomorrow we will not have another borefest with a predetermined lynch again. I think people need to be held accountable today and poe is not enough reason to default to lynching kmatt. There aren't enough reasons to townread any of the others to let that be a justification. Should I die tonight then remember this or the townies who wake up in a potential final 3 will have a really hard time.

The only one I am not touching before LYLO is btdt. Everyone else better play Day5. Especially Rels. The way he pushed HF was really unreasonable.
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