Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - Page 76

On January 18 2018 23:20 Damerion wrote:


How about this. Using people left the thread as a reason is weak.

Saying Damdred is sitting in discord yapping it up with his raid group/playing another game to escape pressure here isnt the weakest thing ever.

Its a bit cheap and I hope it summons him. Other than that what do you not like about the case?

On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@Mocsta: I cba to read your filter but why did you lynch prplhz over Damerion on d2? Also, who do you think the last mafia is if it wasn't me?

On January 28 2018 13:16 Holyflare wrote:
Also mocsta why did you go from not voting me today to voting me but also asking for more stuff from me?

On January 28 2018 13:35 Holyflare wrote:


I don't think Damerion responds to a partner like this with more evidence to clarify a read to justify his damdred wagon. It seems as though he is doing what he can to convince mderg in this situation.

It's weak but its something to me.

On January 28 2018 13:35 Holyflare wrote:


I don't think Damerion responds to a partner like this with more evidence to clarify a read to justify his damdred wagon. It seems as though he is doing what he can to convince mderg in this situation.

It's weak but its something to me.

On January 28 2018 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:
@btdt
I never said I do not like you as a person. I just hate the things I mentioned about your play. But fine, in the interest of keeping this newbie game civil I will refrain from provocing you any further. If you really want to better yourself you should stop spitevoting me in return. Unless you actually think I am the scummiest player in the game which would be a ridiculously bad read.

On January 28 2018 13:06 Holyflare wrote:
I have done my research which is quite evident because I'm asking you these questions based on things from your filter. I have concluded that you are going to look very bad quite soon.

Why can you not answer? If I have flipped town why is Kmatt your next target when you have stated quite bluntly in the thread that a person with such a low impact in the game is not going to do an all in play such as what Kmatt did with Damerion?

Why rels? Why is it so hard to answer for you? What is it about Kmatt's play to you that could be from mafia and why does it contradict what you have said?

On January 28 2018 21:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Holyflare almost has me at a point where I would prefer lynching Kmatt who just doesn't seem to be interested in playing this game. But this always happens when HF is about to get lynched.

On January 28 2018 21:34 Rels wrote:

? It doesn't contradict anything since I think he's town. If you flip town, I will be much, much less convinced he's scum than I'm currently convinced you're scum - EXACTLY for the reason you're stating.

On January 28 2018 21:43 Holyflare wrote:


Right, and I am going to flip town. So, when I flip town who is mafia?

On January 28 2018 21:11 justanothertownie wrote:
In more game relevant news:

Holyflare almost has me at a point where I would prefer lynching Kmatt who just doesn't seem to be interested in playing this game. But this always happens when HF is about to get lynched.
There are things in his play this game which I can't look past. These are:

- His incredibly tunneled push on damdred. I am not talking about suspecting damdred in general - when I read Damerions post at the time I also thought "wow, this is an insightful read" and I would probably also have latched onto this. The thing that bothers me is his refusal to ever reevaluate despite rsoultin telling him to.

- This kept happening even after damdred flipped when he refused to lynch damerion. HF always read rsoultin town but never even tried to see things from her perspective or entertain that maybe she could be right and he could be wrong. Generally he was extremely uncooperative and tunneled for no good reason.

- Something I cannot get over at all is the stuff with the damerion claim. Damerion has been wrong, basically stopped playing and was heavily pushed by rsoultin. HF even acknowledged this somewhat and said he would lynch damerion after prplhz. But instead he does this weird thing at the end of night 2 that Rels keeps harping on about and instantly believes damerions claim. Why? HF should be able to tell that this is not a setup that makes sense and that this claim is incredibly fishy. I also think the foreshadowing of Damerions claim is completely inexplicable as town.

- The stuff with the rbs is just WIFOM. It is entirely possible that he always thought that btdt is the doc as he now claims anyways and that he either wasn't aware the rb targets get notified or didn't care because it doesn't really confirm the person anyways (usually at least). If I was mafia and thinking btdt is the doc I also would just rb him and not shoot him. Kelsier and rsoultin were definitely more important kills to make for a mafia HF because those are people that can actually lynch him if they try.

On January 28 2018 21:44 Rels wrote:

I answered this multiple times already. You're attacking my "scumread" of someone I do not think is scum.

On January 28 2018 21:58 Holyflare wrote:


That's not what I'm asking you to do at all. You are wrong on me. You will have to live with that. Stop pretending like you're having such a hard time seeing past it. Live in this very real reality that you are wrong and need to revisit your scum reads. I asked you to answer a very simple question from a very simple mindset and AGAIN you dodge and just say "but you're mafia".

What's your problem?

On January 27 2018 00:14 Rels wrote:

I don't like this type of question 'cause if I'm sure you're scum, it's also because I have reasons to townread everyone else. If you're not scum, the obvious answer is Kmatt, but more by default and 'cause I have stronger reasons to townread anyone else than him. But he looks more like low-activity town than scum.

On January 27 2018 07:50 Rels wrote:
Well I'm falling asleep so this will be shorter than I intended. In case I die I think my reads are pretty clear: I'm 99% sure HF is the last scum. If I'm wrong it's probably Kmatt, but I don't see him being scum and reacting like he did after Damerion claimed. The others are all pretty townie:

On January 27 2018 09:15 Rels wrote:

depends on who it is. If it's Kmatt or HF, I agree. Otherwise, it's kinda a waste. Especially since scum probably don't know if they hit vet or doc.

On January 27 2018 09:31 Rels wrote:

Kmatt.

On January 28 2018 11:58 Rels wrote:

And I have responded several times. The answer to that question is in my filter. I find Kmatt's filter pretty weak and possible to come from scum, apart from that one reason. That is not the case for Mocsta and mderg. I think you agree to that since your main scumread is Kmatt.

On January 28 2018 14:19 Mocsta wrote:
I prefer to keep this as weak.

A - whether mderg = town/scum; it presents an opportunity for Damerion to step on the soap box and promote the Damdred wagon

B - its normal play (in my mind) for scum to pick weak arguments in a partners case to:
- allow them to correct it before others notice; or,
- strengthen the argument
etc

I think the more interesting point here is that Damerion changes his language (in my mind) as a means of persuading mderg. I think this speaks more highly of a scum/town interaction then the event itself.

On January 28 2018 22:01 Rels wrote:

Why do you say I'm dodging it since you asked me that question multiple times, and I answered multiple times ?

On January 28 2018 21:56 Holyflare wrote:


I didn't agree with the Damerion read on Damdred, at all. I didn't particularly care for the meta. I cared about Damdred's reaction and his follow up to who he was pushing. A couple of things made it reallllyyyy unlikely he was town for me:

1. His acceptance of the meta. I just thought it was an insane coincidence that he accepted that it was true and conveniently wanted to change it to the detriment of his town game within one or two games. I thought accepting it essentially confirmed him mafia and he was just scared of Damerion's push because from my experience Damerion has always been correct.

Then even if I looked past the above I read DF's filter and he was pushing similar things to myself. Mocsta, Damdred etc. Damdred's scum read of choice was df and he was essentially appealing to emotions instead of ever really pushing DF. I think he had just one sentence on DF the entire game.

I don't know why you'd expect me to trust rsoultin's read of damdred which was entirely tone that I didn't agree with over my own logic based one though.



2. That's not entirely true. I was uncooperative because she tried to paint me as mafia for things that just occurred during day to day life such as being at work and only speaking up when I got home. When we got past that and posted about Damerion we just had differing opinions. I explained my read and she explained hers. She posted a case on him and to be frank I didn't really read much of it. Time, effort etc. It was only when she actually explained away my point that he used the meta too early etc and the fact he never posted about anyone else since that I really just realised I shouldn't defend him.

3. Damerion's claim was an entirely ego based thing. I've spent the game being contradictory and when he finally returned and I see the claim I'm just happy I was "correct" on my read. No, I didn't really think about the whole calling it in the thread thing and nor did I really care if he died or was rbd. I also did not read the op at all and thought there could be a framer and rb to balance it (I talk through this). When btdt claimed being rbd I just thought he was a jk and at that point I knew jk/cop/vig isn't right and I thought that btdt didn't claim rb day 2 because he was blue and they weren't announced. Turns out they were notified, he wasn't blue etc etc. I kept my vote on Damerion after because I asked for his reads and he was unable to provide them. He also didn't play like he was afraid of a rb and I didn't think he'd check btdt either.

On January 28 2018 22:05 justanothertownie wrote:

But you know that rsoultin is quite successful with tonereading (especially damdred) this way. And you should also know that damdred does stuff like that as town. There is a reason he is often a lynch candidate day1. He is very easy to push as mafia - I can tell from my own experience - and very easy to scumread as town for his somewhat weird way of expressing himself and doing/saying seemingly illogical things (I have also done that quite a few times).

Your answer does not explain why you would soft Damerions claim during the night as town. Ok, you didn't care. But still why would you even do it? It doesn't make any sense to me.