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On January 31 2018 22:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:29 justanothertownie wrote:On January 31 2018 18:53 Koshi wrote:On January 19 2018 21:04 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch? I could consolidate on a btdt lynch Hmm mderg plays good as mafia. Knows when to back off from bussing if the opportunity arises. Dont know if this wagon happened. But mderg is good at not overcommiting to the bus. Blahhhh I cant lynch somebody like this. Like maybe in lylo or if JAT told me. On January 31 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote:
Dont worry guys. JAT will solve the game. Maybe it isn't town Koshi after all :/ Koshi.. I think you need to vote JAT as per your math rules :/ im stuck, tired, and kid is having trouble sleeping. going to unvote i will be back at least 1hr before deadline my gut is still saying koshi is the right lynch my head is saying.. rels and mderg only started looking into eachotehr once koshi mentioned pocketing... but i still find rels day1 DF interactions very peculiar. i have to sleep on this. ##Unvote
Koshi certainly did a good job getting attention away from himself. I would have reread Rels and you regardless of Koshi mentioning pocketing, though.
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On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me.
well, yes you did. That's not even debatable.
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On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at the votes:
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I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched.
Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though.
I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df.
So this is where I'm at:
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That leaves us with:
TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though
Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point?
Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch.
Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him.
prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon.
Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch.
mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable.
No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely.
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On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:
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Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you?
Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not.
You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely.
OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point.
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On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:
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It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me?
I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point.
I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point.
Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well?
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On January 31 2018 23:15 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:
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Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday.
^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point. Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well?
yeah I can see it's totally bland and non-scummy. The perfect way to play to not get into trouble anytimes. I wouldn't though - I always fight for my lynch. D2 for example, I thought prp was scum. If I was in your position of believing more in a Damerion / HF world, I would have fought harder for Damerion than just voting for him.
You, you're just here, with perfect reads that aligns for what's happening in the thread. Not fighting against consensus like Kmatt. Not getting angry at people that don't understand you like Mocsta. Just perfect.
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On January 31 2018 20:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 18:53 Koshi wrote:On January 19 2018 21:04 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch? I could consolidate on a btdt lynch Hmm mderg plays good as mafia. Knows when to back off from bussing if the opportunity arises. Dont know if this wagon happened. But mderg is good at not overcommiting to the bus. Blahhhh I cant lynch somebody like this. Like maybe in lylo or if JAT told me. Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote:
Dont worry guys. JAT will solve the game. Maybe it isn't town Koshi after all :/
I am not the vilain you want me to be. I am a nice guy who respects other opinions.
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Rels looks better than mderg in this conversation.
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Blahh. I think I am still in favor lynching Rels here. But I can very easily be wrong. I need to think about the overall game. The overall consensus.
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I'll do it on a pc at home. Blah blah.
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On January 31 2018 23:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:15 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
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I don't really want to respond to this but here you go:
Day1
Town
Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious
Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum
Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
prplhz: no content
df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled
scum
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Day2
Town
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
rsoultin: obvious town
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case
scum
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Before cop claim
Town
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
Damerion: nothing changed to before
scum
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After cop claim
Town
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit
Damerion: no way believing his cop claim
scum
I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own.
Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:
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I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point. Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well? yeah I can see it's totally bland and non-scummy. The perfect way to play to not get into trouble anytimes. I wouldn't though - I always fight for my lynch. D2 for example, I thought prp was scum. If I was in your position of believing more in a Damerion / HF world, I would have fought harder for Damerion than just voting for him. You, you're just here, with perfect reads that aligns for what's happening in the thread. Not fighting against consensus like Kmatt. Not getting angry at people that don't understand you like Mocsta. Just perfect.
You're completely misrepresenting what I'm saying. The whole conversation was about me just going with the town consensus. Then you start using what I've said as if I was using that as some jusification for not having fought much about my preferred day2 lynch.
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On February 01 2018 00:16 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:19 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:15 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:
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that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves.
D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch.
D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity:
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D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus.
D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus.
D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus.
So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point. Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well? yeah I can see it's totally bland and non-scummy. The perfect way to play to not get into trouble anytimes. I wouldn't though - I always fight for my lynch. D2 for example, I thought prp was scum. If I was in your position of believing more in a Damerion / HF world, I would have fought harder for Damerion than just voting for him. You, you're just here, with perfect reads that aligns for what's happening in the thread. Not fighting against consensus like Kmatt. Not getting angry at people that don't understand you like Mocsta. Just perfect. You're completely misrepresenting what I'm saying. The whole conversation was about me just going with the town consensus. Then you start using what I've said as if I was using that as some jusification for not having fought much about my preferred day2 lynch.
? I'm not trying to misrepresent anything you're saying. I'm stating why I think you're scum.
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On January 19 2018 00:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:27 Damerion wrote:On January 18 2018 22:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 22:09 Damerion wrote:On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:56 Damerion wrote:
Good morning,
I have decided with careful conaideration that Damdred is scum over DarthFoley and Mocsta. Or at least that I would much rather lynch him over both and then reevaluate at that point.
But onto my main point, Damdred is an extremely meta based player and has used exactly 0 points of meta to make his reads this game.
He also is gòing about thw game in a way that is not typical of him, he generally town hunts and only goes after his scum reads day two instead of pushing early day one when he town hunts. He also usually goes off the beaten path and looks where others do not.
And look what he is doing here, he bases his scum read of DarthFoley off one post.
Also I have a slight meta read on Damdred on his word usuage, in that he uses certain words when explaining his reads and he does not use it in any of his posts.
I think Damdred is scum and you all should join me in voting him off.
##vote Damdred
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games? Anyways, Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same. Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? Meta is using past experiences with a player/previous games played, and applying it to current actions. Be it tone, how they approach reads etc.. Damdreds is extremely different at this point, especially considering he has paid attention to no town reads and has not really even interacted with anyone besides you and talks to you like you are confirmed town. Everyone else can do the same, that does not change the fact that Damdred never really goes after low hanging fruit, eapecially with this ferocity. I hate to give away the meta point, but he can get over it. Damdred is a super excitable player (which also is missing), and so when he feels like he is onto something hardcore he starts spamming the word Like, which always makes him sound like a valley girl but i digress. The main point is he seems to lack the excitement of finding scum and this changes the way he plays and points towards a scum game instead of town. Not saying you are wrong, but since I can't vidcate it. I'm going to focus on the last bit because the prior means I either have to trust you, or play with Damdred before. I will say he seems to at least had a list of town members a page or two back. I don't know if that is what you refer to as town hunting. He does seem to have a desire to wait it out to vote. Won't comment further since he was around, and I am in treated in how he will respond. So while I do have some opinion on your read on him, I'm not going to give a way for him to get out of your read. He has BeenThereDoneThat, Holyflare and Rsoultin as his town I believe. Damdred believes Holyflare is the best mafia player on the site and always hedges on him, so his read on Holyflare seems out of character at the time. His read on BeenThereDoneThat is based on much less than he normally would give, and no reasoning or interaction with Rsoultin. Damdred is excellent at finding town, I believe he might be the best in that regard. However this is out of line for him to act this way. I will respect you wanting to wait on him however. This is true
I don't like this. 3rd post you make in this game and you are not looking at the game critically searching for mafia. You just bold an unimportant thing and +1 that.
On January 19 2018 23:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 07:07 rsoultin wrote:
I think my phone is now cutting off sentences or in posting too sleepily :/
DF reason to post first post not clear to me.
Want to lynch HF for difficult to explain reasons. I think it's mostly a sense of leechyness, like he's a mind parasite adding bottom but etting some things on and kissing in others. Both of which he can also do as an active player but usually with his own thoughts actually mixed in. I also know that lynching him is like pulling teeth, especially on day one.
How do you expect me to have a conversation with Damdred when we werent around at the same time, Rels? This post is pretty townie. To answer the question: dunno.
I don't know if that rsoultin post is townie. Looks like gibberish.
So I don't like you don't pressure rsoultin here. I saw somebody call you out on this read and you explain it. But the lack of pressuring people is bad.
On January 19 2018 23:45 Rels wrote:rsoul is town  ez game then
meh. I have no clue why.
Which I should have reading his filter.
On January 20 2018 08:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:04 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly. Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction read my filter where I outline it oh yeah you're right I think I want to vote Damdred again
Rels looks really bad in this conversation with HF. Town vs Mafia bad.
It was a nice deflection of the initial point HF raised though. Never answered.
On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred
haha. Man... In your filter you should have always followed rsoultin and vote darthfoley.
dafuq. You scumread hf, townread rsoultin. You never scumread Damdred, and you had problems with darthfoley.
And you end up on Damdred with HF due to 1 miracle post and you "filterdiving" and finding 2 Damdred quotes. And then you even end up on btdt while df was just sitting there begging to be voted.
Nha. Rels is mafia. Or at least deserves my vote today.
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On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow
On January 19 2018 23:56 Rels wrote:I was townreading DF a little bit before that. Probably 'cause he townread me. But this post seems like scum to me
This is why you should be on df.
Not only did you meakly disagreed with a lot of posts he made during the day. You also townread rsoultin around df (I THINK).
anyway. I don't buy your filter.
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On January 31 2018 08:04 Koshi wrote:So yeah. I think JAT knows I am town. I also think he will vote Rels. Mocsta will most likely vote me. He convinced himself over the course of the game and needs to see my flip. mderg I don't know. Probably has the deciding vote. I was nice to mderg. But Rels has been pocketing him quite well as well. I think there is enough evidence and data in this thread. gl hf to the players. 
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lol. I always have a awful D1 as town, I don't know what to do. And I never state or change my reads without explanation as scum. So everything you quoted makes me town.
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anyway I'm really tired so I'm gonna go to sleep soonish. If I'm lynched, I think mderg is scum. Like, 90% sure I think.
I cannot see Mocsta being scum.
I can see Koshi being scum, but if he is he's playing well now. But he can definitely tryhard for a few days as scum. What pushed me is that host WIFOM thing. I still think scum don't get replaced like that when the game cuold just have ended with a modkill. It doesn't make sense to me. I think it makes Koshi 90% town. I would be way less sure if it was Mocsta vs Koshi, but mderg's filter shows the gameplan. It shows the "not making waves" attitude. It makes 100% sense for him to be scum, just waiting patiently in his corner until he wins.
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Well... with this votecount we are lynching Rels so I am ok being town hero.
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On February 01 2018 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Well... with this votecount we are lynching Rels so I am ok being town hero.
???
You're the only one voting besides me
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